Turkey says Syrian plane carried Russian munitions

Pics or it didnt happen.

How are we supposed to believe the words of politicians and diplomats?

The air space belongs to Turkey. Russia has to obey international law, otherwise, nobody has to honor Russia's air space. Many have observed that Syria's weapons purchase and use are just a full employment contract for Russia's weapons industry. Nobody wants to lose his/her job.

Russia should be ashamed! Why are they still selling weapons to the Syrians??

@ EM

Because outside forces are paying for and forming terrorist groups in Syria.

Nobody is sure who is responsible for mortar shells fired into Turkey but it is being used a an excuse to ramp up and further meddle in Syria's internal affairs.

Instead of calling for peace there are certain players metaphorically pouring gasoline on the problem instead of water.

The question is who benefits from a chaotic Syria?

No prizes for the correct answer........

Watch and learn, Russia will threaten to cut off oil and gas supplies to Turkey.

Two thoughts. First, no doubt the intelligence that Turkey got about what was on board the plane came from the U.S or another NATO country. Caught Russia with its pants down. Score one for the good guys. Second, agree with Elbuda. It is one thing for Russia to stonewall at the U.N. to try to gain Assad more time, but sticking arms on a passenger plane is just below contempt. Putin is NOT a nice guy no matter George W. initially said about him, and the Mid-east will continue to be a powder-keg so long as he is in power.

“We are determined to control weapons transfers to a regime that carries out such brutal massacres against civilians. It is unacceptable that such a transfer is made using our airspace,” Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said.

Te Sunni Islamist regimes in the area and the West tried to exploit the demographic situation in Syria with respect to the majority being Sunni.

They thought that they could simply incite the Sunnis to rise up and , as one Islamist fighter that came from Ireland, of all places, to "reclaim their country" (Reuters).

They failed miserably in their debased attempt to exploit sectarian divisions, and caused thousands of people to lose their lives, leaving the country in ruin.

No Turkey has about 1 million displaced Syrians to accommodate, and the Kurds are knocking at the door, as they already have autonomous zones in Iraq and Syria.

turkey need to display what what was seized and shut russia up.

Why didnt Russia using her own airforce cargo plane to transport weapons and ammunitions? A good offer will be painted 'black' if you do things 'sneaky', so if Russia send weapons in front of world press camera, things will get it right!

This smells real bad. Some people have long maintained that the rebels are being funded and armed by external parties and that the uprising is purely the work of outsiders. This is simply untrue, although it is clear that external parties have become involved as the conflict has progressed.

Providing they did actually intercept munitions from Russia, and that is a big IF at this point, it is also patently clear that supporting the Assad regime in the slaughter of civilians is also being funded by outside forces, including a member of the UN Security Council. Now, this isn't anything new. In fact, the permanent members of the security council specialize in this kind of behaviour, but I am very concerned that the US is increasingly using the NATO State of Turkey as it's proxy for leverage into this conflict, and that two careless and ham fisted superpowers are ramping up their involvement in an absolute powder keg region. This is a very bad part of the world for the fragile and strained status quo to dissolve completely.

Why is Russia still selling arms to Syria? This is the same question asked of Willie Sutton:" Why do you rob banks?" He answered: "Because that is where the money is." Simple questions = simple answers.

I thought at first they said that they found communications equipment on the plane, now two days later the story has changed and supposedly there was ammunition.

Why does the story keep changing and why does Turkey refuse to offer any physical evidence of what they claim to have found.

Regardless, there are international rules against sending Armed F16s to threaten a civilian airliner with civilians on board.

This was a stunt and a poorly managed one at that since Turkey just comes out looking like bumbling fools as they keep changing their story.

Exactly.....and if there were munitions on the place then exactly what has Russia done wrong?

Russia has not imposed an arms embargo on Syria has it?

Good guys ,bad guys ?

Are some of the posters here so naive as to imagine that the EU and America are the good guys?

Any doubters should look at history and learn that are neither good nor bad states;they are simply self interested.

Neversubmit,

" Turkey just comes out looking like bumbling fools as they keep changing their story."

How can that be? Yesterday you posted as fact that the Turks intercepted he plane over a Russian diplomats satellite phone.

I thought at first they said that they found communications equipment on the plane, now two days later the story has changed and supposedly there was ammunition.

Why does the story keep changing and why does Turkey refuse to offer any physical evidence of what they claim to have found.

Tsk.Tsk. Stop being disingenuous. You are conveniently omitting the fact that the second sentence in the paragraph you are referring to says they also claim to have found 'missile parts'. Go and re-read it.

I have to say though, I'd like to see some evidence, or more accurately, I'd like to have seen some evidence as soon as they searched the plane, because I trust the US about as much as I trust Russia. To wit; not at all. Their propensity for lying is surpassed only by their hegemonic intent.

The Turkish administration is acting like trigger happy desperados because the dastardly plan backfired and now they have 100s of thousands of refugees to accommodate and Kurds to appease.

It would seem, in retrospect, that the rules for being admitted to NATO should be a little more stringent. In the case of countries within the geographically contiguous regions of Europe proper, perhaps they should be required to meet the requirements to become a member of the EU first.

Agree with some of the posters above. This story is meaningless without pictures.

It does appear that the Russian government has gone to great lengths to distance themselves from whatever was found.

On the other hand, if there were 'naughty' things aboard the plane bound for Syria I can understand why Turkey might object to such stuff being flown through their airspace. End of.

12 crates of parts for Syrian air defense radars? This might bother Turkey...

From the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19918858

"The Turkish administration is acting like trigger happy desperados because the dastardly plan backfired and now they have 100s of thousands of refugees to accommodate and Kurds to appease."

Uhm....they already have the Syrian refugees and have been accommodating them rather than bombing them unlike the dictator Assad. And they have never appeased the Kurds. I really do wonder where some of you get your ideas......it can't be the NeverSubmitNewsNetwork, as it seems to be offline.....

It would seem, in retrospect, that the rules for being admitted to NATO should be a little more stringent. In the case of countries within the geographically contiguous regions of Europe proper, perhaps they should be required to meet the requirements to become a member of the EU first.

??? ... Turkey joined NATO in 1952, after their involvement in Korean War. It has nothing to do with EU and EU membership requirements.

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Madverts

Uhm....they already have the Syrian refugees and have been accommodating them rather than bombing them unlike the dictator Assad.

Who provided support for the terroristic groups which attacked Syria?

who provided ammo supply to them?

@LHommeQuiMent

Turkey joined NATO in 1952, after their involvement in Korean War. It has nothing to do with EU and EU membership requirements.

Thanks for pointing that out. I admit that I had no idea when Turkey joined NATO.

I had in mind when making that comment the president of Georgia, a Columbia university educated lawyer, that was just voted out of office, because he was a megalomaniac warmonger who was trying to join NATO...

@Madverts

The points I'm making relate to Turkey shift from supporting the rebels--which brought them both an influx of refugees that they can stem and compounded the issues with the Kurds because Assad has now granted them a degree of autonomy similar to that in Iraq--to their more outright hostility, bordering on belligerence.

If you don't think that those are factors motivating the Turks--as opposed to altruism and himanitarian concerns--I'd say you are the one watching the wrong channel.

"Who provided support for the terroristic groups which attacked Syria? who provided ammo supply to them?"

Enlighten me...

Madverts "Who provided support for the terroristic groups which attacked Syria? who provided ammo supply to them?" Enlighten me...

Hell's Angels....

"Who provided support for the terroristic groups which attacked Syria? who provided ammo supply to them?"

Enlighten me...

The weapons, ammo, explosives and satellite pictures of Syrian military formations all appeared out of thin.

And the rebel training camps in Turkey and Qatar, which were built before the so-called "Arab Spring" started, were built unbeknownst to the Turkish and Qatari governments. Turkey is just a hapless victim in all this.

At least that's what we're supposed to believe

Olegek

Madverts "Who provided support for the terroristic groups which attacked Syria? who provided ammo supply to them?" Enlighten me...

Does that mean you don't know?