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Turkey votes in pivotal elections

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Big collateral damage - US NATO EU interference to unseat him, that's toxic disruption!

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No matter what good or bad he's done - twenty years in power is too long. It shouldn't exist anywhere in power.

Get him gone, Turkey.

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Big collateral damage - US NATO EU interference to unseat him, that's toxic disruption!

They're not Russia - who already admitted to interfering with US elections

"Putin ally admits Russia interfered in US elections, says it's working 'surgically' to disrupt the midterms"

https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-ally-admits-russia-interferes-in-us-elections-targeting-midterms-2022-11

Yevgeny Prigozhin, an ally of Russia's Vladimir Putin, admitted to interfering in past US elections.

"We have interfered, we are interfering and we will continue to interfere," he said on social media.

That's toxic disruption!

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Erdogan deserves great credit, working with President Xi of China to broker peace in Mid-East this spring, Suni and Shia, Saudi Arabia & Iran and entire Muslim world of +1.5 billion celebrates this historic success. US, clearly no resolve to broker Mid-East peace.

Turkey busy expanding its relations with China due to toxic interference in its currency by its Western 'partners'. People of Turkey want optionality, China's their clear choice moving forward, Yuan stability, and stability in general.

Erdogan\s Real Fiduciary for his people, unprecedented Western interference in Turkey's economy and currency are NOT appreciated by fine people of Turkey, China's stability in behavior and currency markets therefore key Erdogan strategy!

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Erdogan lives in an 1140-room place with a personal wealth of $500 million. Where did all that come from? Hundreds of thousands of homeless from the earthquake.

Suni and Shia, Saudi Arabia & Iran and entire Muslim world of +1.5 billion celebrates this historic success.

There are many Muslim nations that do not support Erdogan.

Turkey's Erdogan trails rival in toughest re-election battle yet.

Hope he is goosed.

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Erdogan deserves great credit, working with President Xi of China to broker peace in Mid-East this spring, Suni and Shia, Saudi Arabia & Iran and entire Muslim world of +1.5 billion celebrates this historic success. US, clearly no resolve to broker Mid-East peace.

He's also brokered the Ukraine Russian Grain Exports, clearly, he's no war monger and wants good relations with all his neighbors but especially China and their stability to act as a good strategic counterweight and economic diversification. Smart!

Only he's not Macron at 28% approval, holding out a tin cup in China but rather doing HISTORIC Suni Shia Arab peace deals to make the WORLD Better, that's Leadership!

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If Erdogan is going to get voted out, it's because he didn't do a good job to his fellow Turkish people

That's bad work

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20 years. Good or bad (bad, in my opinion), either way it's plenty long enough.

Democracy, not dictatorship.

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20 years. Good or bad (bad, in my opinion), either way it's plenty long enough.

Democracy, not dictatorship.

Fair point but when you have winner trade-ins are risky, seems trend globally, way to mitigate chaos of Democracy. Clear sign Democracy's failing, lack of vibrancy.

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Erdogan moved up the elections to prevent himself being limited by Türkiye's term limit law. There's a reason that term limits are necessary for every country. Holding power for too long is always a negative to the people. Always.

Erdogan does deserve some credit for the number of Syrian refugees Türkiye has accepted. No way around that.

Erdogan deserves jail time for many of his other deeds, like attempts to kill Kurds who are also citizens of Türkiye.

He has thousands of political prisoners and has disappeared thousands of average people without cause as well. The number is estimated at 13000 charged with “insulting” the president. Since 2013, I've been unable to locate friends (or their families) in Türkiye. They weren't political.

He has shifted the govt more towards the religious far right. That is generally bad for everyone who isn't a Suni Muslim there.

He has disrupted NATO, which isn't always a bad thing, but they way he's done it has been a negative for most of NATO.

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An interesting claim I saw elsewhere was that the staggering majority of Turks believed that the US had played a role in the past coups against democracy in Turkiye, and saw relationships with Russia, China (and possibly the other players in the Global South mosaic) as beneficial.

Which makes Kilicdaroglu's claim that Erdogan is collaborating with Russia's President to retain power his version of Trump's claims that the election was going to be rigged against him, and Erdogan's counter claim that Kilicdaroglu is collaborating with America's President to take power an effort to make the election about more than purely domestic politics.

There's going to be as much after election nonsense and shouting over this election as America's last Presidential election, with a lot of people on both sides insisting that they are telling the truth and the other side is lying and not caring about the evidence.

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An interesting claim I saw elsewhere was that the staggering majority of Turks believed that the US had played a role in the past coups against democracy in Turkiye, and saw relationships with Russia, China (and possibly the other players in the Global South mosaic) as beneficial.

Then they are wrong and being fed disinformation. Happens in every autocracy.

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RichardPearce

An interesting claim I saw elsewhere was that the staggering majority of Turks believed that the US had played a role in the past coups against democracy in Turkiye, and saw relationships with Russia, China (and possibly the other players in the Global South mosaic) as beneficial.

Interesting? Farcical, more like it.

Which makes Kilicdaroglu's claim that Erdogan is collaborating with Russia's President to retain power his version of Trump's claims that the election was going to be rigged against him,

We'll see. If he denies the result years after the election, then you can compare hime with Trump. All Kilicdaroglu is saying, is that the deep fake campaign to influence the outcome of the election was created in Russia, and that he has proof.

There's going to be as much after election nonsense and shouting over this election as America's last Presidential election, with a lot of people on both sides insisting that they are telling the truth and the other side is lying and not caring about the evidence.

I doubt it.

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