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Gunman opens fire at Oslo gay bar, killing two on Pride parade day

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Norway has a small population, a normally quiet and peaceful country.

This latest shooting at a nightclub reminds one of the worst massacre that took away 77 lives some years ago.

However, the culprit has a reasonable decent life in prison compared to the poor in many countries..

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any word on the name of the suspect?

and any follow-up on the NZ stabbings from 3 days ago? What is the name of the suspect there?

Why the long wait for info?

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Why the long wait for info?

The stabbing in NZ is completely off topic but anyway. Perhaps the name hasn't been released? Have you found it anywhere?

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master:

Why are you so keen on the name of the suspect? He’s identified in the article as a “Norwegian citizen of Iranian origin”. That’s sufficient for your agenda, surely?

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Terrible news. RIP to the victims and condolences to their families.

A suspect, a 42-year-old Norwegian citizen of Iranian origin, was detained minutes after, according to police who said they believed he acted alone. Two weapons, including a fully automatic gun, were retrieved from the crime scene, they added.

Norway has a strong hunting culture and high rates of gun ownership, mostly hunting rifles and shotguns.

However, firearms are heavily regulated, and automatic weapons are banned for everyone except collectors. I believe semi-automatics were banned from 2021. I wonder where and how this shooter got the automatic weapon.

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and any follow-up on the NZ stabbings from 3 days ago? What is the name of the suspect there?

He’s been granted name suppression for the meantime, and will probably be revealed late trial or at the end of the trial.

Is it really important to you though?

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The intolerance and hatred of the medieval ignorant bigots is increasing in the world. Influenced by the hate speech and authoritarianism of the criminal extreme right in the west..

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Why are you so keen on the name of the suspect? He’s identified in the article as a “Norwegian citizen of Iranian origin”.

BigYen, to be fair, when Master posted his question, it wasn't reported here that the suspect was a Norwegian citizen of Iranian origin. (At least I don't think it was. I only found that out later on a different news site.) Although goodness knows why he wanted to know the name of the suspect. But I guess some can fulfill their prejudices based on names alone.

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A suspect, a 42-year-old Norwegian citizen of Iranian origin, was detained minutes after, according to police who said they believed he acted alone. Two weapons, including a fully automatic gun, were retrieved from the crime scene, they added.

As master said, an act of intolerance and hate, settled by a firearm.

Not many seem to care about this kind of crime when it takes place outside the US.

If this were to happen the States, non-US citizens would seize upon it as another act showing out of control gun culture in America!

But because it took place in Norway, by an underrepresented class of citizen, there is ample leftist tolerance.

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Lots of these people have their own sexual demon ,they are dealing with ,some of denying them ,and become enrage as a way of be dealing with them

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OK so the suspect was of Iranian origin. However there is xenophobia in Norway as well. That country has an Odinist neo-Nazi problem too - they've been burning ancient churches, killing Middle Eastern refugees and they sure don't like gays either.

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Not many seem to care about this kind of crime when it takes place outside the US.

And you know this how?

But because it took place in Norway, by an underrepresented class of citizen, there is ample leftist tolerance

Would you care to show us examples from the "leftist" press to back this claim? It is complete tripe. For this American at least the attack isn't a cause for tolerance but one of great sadness and dismay where you ask "Norway too? Is there any place safe from this kind of hate inspired violence?". There are too many guns and too many people happy to settle their difference with them. When does it stop?

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Desert TortoiseToday  05:53 am JST

Not many seem to care about this kind of crime when it takes place outside the US.

And you know this how?

Simply by looking at the number of responses here, compared to when the same type of shooting occurs in the US and a story appears here.

Not too difficult to count.

But because it took place in Norway, by an underrepresented class of citizen, there is ample leftist tolerance

Would you care to show us examples from the "leftist" press to back this claim?

Right smack dab here, where you are posting.

Where is the outrage, compared to when a similar incident occurs in the US?

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Where is the outrage, compared to when a similar incident occurs in the US?

There is another story here on JT about a 5-month-old girl shot and killed in Chicago, with (as of now) two comments; one of which is yours). Could it be that people have other things to do on a Sunday morning (Japan time)?

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Jeans and T-shirtToday  10:34 am JST

There is another story here on JT about a 5-month-old girl shot and killed in Chicago, with (as of now) two comments; one of which is yours). Could it be that people have other things to do on a Sunday morning (Japan time)?

No, because the Norway story was posted a day before.

In fact, because these types of incidents are so rare in a country like Norway, I would think people would be more outraged to see this type of violence leaking into that kind of society.

It is not surprising at all that there would be a shooting in the South Side of Chicago.

The majority of shootings in the US are usually confined to that type of demographic.

Norway, on the other hand, should have the opportunity to put an end to gun violence, and an incident like this should wake up the entire country---and maybe it does; but people here won't see this as an opportunity to attack the entire society.

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No, because the Norway story was posted a day before.

Oh, so late on a Saturday. Yeah, my point stands.

In fact, because these types of incidents are so rare in a country like Norway, I would think people would be more outraged to see this type of violence leaking into that kind of society.

And;

Norway, on the other hand, should have the opportunity to put an end to gun violence, and an incident like this should wake up the entire country---and maybe it does; but people here won't see this as an opportunity to attack the entire society.

I think you answered your own question.

It is not surprising at all that there would be a shooting in the South Side of Chicago.

Sadly, no.

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Norway is now reporting this as an Islamist attack.

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Jeans and T-shirtToday  10:45 am JST

Oh, so late on a Saturday. Yeah, my point stands.

Then you'd agree that the Norway story was already posted this morning, when the Chicago story was posted, and still, none of the usual leftist anti-gun outrage, so my point stands even more firmly.

I think you answered your own question.

You read it wrong.

So, it is obvious that people here, especially non-US citizens, are not serious about their opposition to gun violence, and they just try to use incidents that occur in the US as opportunities to try and find a weakness in US society.

At the same time, they are begging for the US to take a leadership role in NATO against Russia.

Funny how that works.

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Where is the outrage, compared to when a similar incident occurs in the US?

I wouldn't say it's outrage for the USA, it's outrage that there are people too stupid to want to fix the problem that causes their children to be shot while in school, or people praying in a church, with surprising regularity. If the same could be said about Norway, you would hear people condemning Norway a lot more too. But right now you're comparing apples and oranges.

Compare American with a European country in regards to Covid, they'll tell you America is different so you can't compare. But then those same people try compare America with a European country in regards to guns, as if intelligent people would nod their heads and agree.

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Then you'd agree that the Norway story was already posted this morning, when the Chicago story was posted, and still, none of the usual leftist anti-gun outrage, so my point stands even more firmly.

On either story. You don't have a point.

You read it wrong.

No. Your comments were completely contradictory.

So, it is obvious that people here, especially non-US citizens, are not serious about their opposition to gun violence, and they just try to use incidents that occur in the US as opportunities to try and find a weakness in US society.

I can't speak for them, but I post on just about every gun related story. I'm interested in the topic. But as you say, as these are far more common in the States it follows that they gather more comments. And it's not outrage, it's exasperation and incredulity that it keeps happening and next to nothing is ever done about it.

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Proves my point, as you do not express exasperation or incredulity about the Norway mass-shooting, 

Why would I? They've had three in the past 35 years. They happen every day in the States. And I did comment about it with info about Norway' s gun regulation and a question about where the shooter got his weapons.

and instead tried to shift the focus to a single shooting in a US neighborhood where such shootings are not uncommon.

No, that was simply to disprove your point about leftist outrage or whatever red herring you're throwing out now.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61933817

Oslo shooting: Norway attack being treated as Islamist terrorism, police say

Oh...

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Jeans and T-shirtJune 26  11:08 am JST

Why would I? They've had three in the past 35 years. They happen every day in the States. And I did comment about it with info about Norway' s gun regulation and a question about where the shooter got his weapons.

It's because of the rarity of a shooting in Norway is why you would be incredulous; that's the definition.

No, that was simply to disprove your point about leftist outrage or whatever red herring you're throwing out now.

You disproved your point trying to pivot the issue from a rare mass shooting in Norway, to a not unusual shooting in a poor neighborhood in Chicago.

This is why the right basically ignore the left's outcry when there is a shooting in the US, because it is a false outrage.

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