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police battled hundreds of young men around the mission

Young and most likely uneducated men except for the education of hardline religion. This is what we are up against, not people who think like we do and agree or disagree with our points of view.

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NeverSubmit: I wonder what the rebels in Syria think about this.

You need mental help.

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Showing pictures, and movies of Muhammad is forbidden by the teachings of Islam. However, I and billions of other people are not Muslims, and we do not abide by the teachings of Islam. Is'nt contrary to all reasonable thinking that Islam expects everyone to live by its dictums? Let the Evolutionary processes begin...

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Those ,who were set free by America, murdered the American diplomats...ironic truth! Both film makers and attackers are wrong!

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Where was all the fury when True Lies was released, depicting Middle Easterners as terrorists?

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I saw part of this video on YouTube Japan, very cheap low budget film with one aim and one aim only, to insult Islam, Muslims and to piss them off. Whomever made this movie must be really happy now that all hell is breaking loose in Muslims countries over said film, very sad To see such violence and over an idiotic film?? Time for Muslims to grow up join the 21st Century or they will keep living in the past with no hope for peace. Now if a movie was made about Jesus Christ making fun of Chritianity?? Would we have such violence??

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One thing though, I really really doubt that all these Muslims are so angry at the USA just because of this stupid movie, their is also lots of resentment at the USA for its unilateral support of Israel, that whole mess with the Palestinians and most Muslims think 9/11 was an inside job?? They are sure Jews planned the World Trade Towers falling but I guess these same non believers forget that all of the terrorists in the planes were Muslims from Saudi Arabia?? Also funny that we do not see any protests against this movie from Saudi Arabia??

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Elbuda-san,

I tried to watch it on YouTube too. It was too painful and I gave up after a minute or so. It should never have been made and the makers should be held accountable for their actions.

If this were a movie about JC, making fun of Christianity, it probably wouldn't have had much of a bad effect - except in the Bible thumping parts of the States, but this movie isn't about making fun. It's a very crude attempt to ridicule and push buttons. It's even more pathetic, childish and brickheaded than Jackass because at least Jackass is about things that happened. This movie contains more blatant lies per frame than anything I've seen.

I think it's time for tolerance and understanding.

Let's not forget that Islam is the largest practicing religion on the planet and that most moslems live peaceful lives. We should not judge them by the extremists. This movie was written, produced and acted by extremists just as incapable of rational thought as any religious fanatic anywhere.

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The film may be an insult, but that is nothing compared to the shame brought on Islam by crowds of savage yahoos breaking things and hurting people in the name of the prophet.

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Thanks Bertie San! I also thought it was painful and made only to anger Muslims to get a rise out of them. I hope Republicans and or the Israeli Mossad is not behind all of this just to make problems for Mr.Obama!! Start wars etc..just as he is campaigning for his second presidential term.

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Israeli sources have revealed that Egypt's General Intelligence warned jihadists were planning attacks on U.S. and Israeli embassies as early as a week before they occurred. There was not a failure to have intelligence warning of possible attacks. Rather it was a failure of the President to act on intelligence warnings. Why did the administration not beef up security or withdraw personnel? Information similar to this was included in the President’s Daily Brief. But, given Obama’s tendency to skip such briefings, he apparently ignored it.

If films are the problem, then the only “security” measure we can pursue in the Obama worldview is to crush free speech. Otherwise, no matter how many speeches this administration gives to soothe Muslims’ feelings, Americans will still be attacked. Islam, as we all know, doesn’t have free speech but they do have a mandate to persecute blasphemers. In other words - your free speech allows you to insult, okay, I trump you because my faith believes I can kill you for it.

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@BertieWooster. "I think it's time for tolerance and understanding."

I agree. And Muslims should give it a try.

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Those ,who were set free by America, murdered the American diplomats...ironic truth! Both film makers and attackers are wrong!

Have you ever thought that those who were "set free" weren't supporters of what the US was doing and who they removed/helped remove? Until the US keeps its nose out of everyone's business, people will continue to dislike them. Add in the issue with Israel, who are the biggest terrorist in the Middle East and is it any wonder people are fed up and angry?

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given Obama’s tendency to skip such briefings, he apparently ignored it.

Apparently. In your alternate universe where facts are just made up. You can read the true story of these 'briefings' if you bother to check. But as the Romney campaign has declared, "We're not going to let fact checkers dictate our campaign."

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This attack was perpetrated by a small group of religious extremists and has been condemned by everyone including the President of Libya. Of course they hate us but how do you keep terrorists who are eager to kill to advance their evil ideology from hijacking the reconstruction of an entire country ? Their goals and actions are as much at odds with those of the people and government of Libya as with the Americans.

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Where Is This Film??? Where are the director, actors etc.. NONE of those rioters have seen this film, I have not seen this film. I don't think there is a film.... I think that the existence of this film is in the imagination of the person who started this rumor........ People are rioting and dying over a rumor.

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US diplomats should not be made to go into harm's way. Close down the embassies and consulates in Muslim countries. That would also work to drastically reduce entry visa applications to the US, which will delay if not prevent the US from winding up with unmanageable Muslim minorities, as has already happened in Sweden, France, the Netherlands and other western European nations.

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Lizz, you don't seem to have a clue about Libya. Construction? The amount of tribal blood being spilled over their night now is shocking - though no one seems to care.

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The. Devil is on the loose these days.

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The attacks against the soft target of U.S interest are COORDINATED TERRORIST ACTS on 9/11 anniversary. It is not about the film, since there are worst attempts to reveal the life of prophet Mohammed in action on you tube everyday. Please read the Koran and the Hadith (sacred texts of Islam) to understand the real intent of Islam and Muslims. No matter what "ism" you belong to, if ones believe in reasoning, openness, respect human rights, tolerance, scientific discourse.....we should stand up against this intimidation to limit the value of humanity in 21th. century. The sad reality is that the world has "Islam problem: to deal with, and most folks including politicians are buying time hoping to be better. Wake up, it has not been working.

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The video is a convenient pretext - ------------------the fomenting violence was planned -................................................................ The question is why the White House did not know ??? Or If the White House was informed, why they ignored the intelligence.

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The video is a convenient pretext - ------------------the fomenting violence was planned -................................................................ The question is why the White House did not know ??? Or If the White House was informed, why they ignored the intelligence.

@semperfi, sounds like you have been already informed about this. Was it planned already? How did you get that info before anyone else? Please tell us. I am sure CIA will appreciate that.

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Bgood41Sep. 15, 2012 - 10:10AM JST

The attacks against the soft target of U.S interest are COORDINATED TERRORIST ACTS on 9/11 anniversary

@Bgood4, okay, please let us know. Do you have any proof suggesting that? Why don't you go ahead to share that info with us.

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LizzSep. 15, 2012 - 08:29AM JST

Israeli sources have revealed that Egypt's General Intelligence warned jihadists were planning attacks on U.S. and Israeli embassies as early as a week before they occurred.

@Lizz, please provide that writing on JT. Thanks.

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“there is no God but God and Mohammed is his Prophet”. 'There is not God but...' Name your god and your prophet, and fill in the blanks.

Too many religions, too many getting more and more radical, more strident language is prevailing. The whole world is heading down a dangerous path, following their religious leaders. Look at the election in USA--political leaders trying to outdo each other in my faith is stronger than yours. How about a little reason, and less faith, on all sides. Otherwise you get lunatics making ridiculour films, and causing real harm.

And we neutrals have to watch those religious nuts bicker, and fight, and kill. Let's call a timeout shall we.

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Sorry, ridiculous. Where is the autocorrect when I need it?

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Freedom of speech and religion! They will never understand it just as many people will never understand the objection to criticism of their religion. Stop the foreign aid and let them live under the religious freedom the Nepalese have.

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@Plastic

Apparently. In your alternate universe where facts are just made up. You can read the true story of these >'briefings' if you bother to check. But as the Romney campaign has declared, "We're not going to let fact >checkers dictate our campaign."

Stop making excuses for this mess up, the WH did get about a 48 hour warning that this was going to happen, as to the extent of how severe it would turn out, no one could foresee that, but that there was an imminent threat coming their way. Those are the facts. The WH should eat crow, but snubbing Netanyahu, worrying to do David Letterman and hanging out with the usual Hollywood ilk, is more of a priority for this President. Unbelievable, but why is anyone surprised failed ME liberal policies at its worst!

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German and British embassies have been targeted. At this point its really about venting general frustration at the West. The film was just an excuse.

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Elbuda-san,

Thanks Bertie San! I also thought it was painful and made only to anger Muslims to get a rise out of them.

Yes. Exactly.

I hope Republicans and or the Israeli Mossad is not behind all of this just to make problems for Mr.Obama!! Start wars etc..just as he is campaigning for his second presidential term. The thought had crossed my mind too.

It's been done before!

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the WH did get about a 48 hour warning that this was going to happen, as to the extent of how severe it would turn out,

@bass4funk, please provide the proof, then I will believe your claim. Back that up with facts. Thanks.

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Utrack-san,

Unfortunately the film does exist.

It's ghastly!

Even if it had nothing to do with Mohammed, it would be horrible.

Pathetically amateur, lousy acting, unbelievably poor make up and scenery.

You can find it on YouTube.

If we can see it on YouTube in Japan, you can bet that muslims in other countries have seen it too.

It's not a rumour.

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Here's more information:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/12/sam-bacile-in-hiding_n_1876044.html

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Film or no film, muslims need to understand that Islamic law only applies to them. Muslims burn the books of other religions and the flags of other countries. There are also the muslim cartoons against the Jews.

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German and British embassies have been targeted. At this point its really about venting general frustration at the West. The film was just an excuse.

@Triumvere, you hit the nail on the isssue. These terrorist groups are actually trying to test water to see if they can take over the weak and young governments.US is now being used as a scapegoat in the ugly process. I hope you understand what I am trying to say. .

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@global

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/09/13/diplomatic-sources-state-department-had-credible-intel-48-hours-before-attacks-that-u-s-embassies-might-be-targeted/

You're welcome!

And please don't try to spin for Obama and the WH, they are already doing that themselves.

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The WH should eat crow, but snubbing Netanyahu, worrying to do David Letterman and hanging out with the usual Hollywood ilk, is more of a priority for this President. Unbelievable, but why is anyone surprised failed ME liberal policies at its worst!

@ bass4funk: No need in trying to give them the facts. Some never will face up to it. Funny how they never mentions that in the midst of the crisis, Obama flew off to Vegas to do campaigning and fundraising. I have to at least give Jimmy Carter some credit for his actions during the Iranian hostage crisis in 1980. He at least stayed off the campaign trail and stayed in the White House until almost the very end.

I am not saying that Obama should just stay in the WH, since I know with the communications suite he has, he has the ability to see everything and get information from any point in the world about what is going on. So he really doesn't have to be glued to the WH and Washington. But you would think that at least symbolically he would stay close to home and take care of business. Those big money donors should be able to understand that he couldn't make it out there to see them, and the amount of money that they are spending, they can easily afford a trip to DC to meet him in person. But somehow that gets neglected by the media.

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Film or no film, muslims need to understand that Islamic law only applies to them. Muslims burn the books of other religions and the flags of other countries. There are also the muslim cartoons against the Jews.

I shuder tho think what will happen the day some Japanese animae creator makes an animae film about Islam. I am sure the resulting protests against Japan and its embassies will occur just like they have at other nations embassies when writeres from their countries have done the same.

I have to say this to the protestors. If it offends you, don't watch it.

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Our Islamic friends are getting rather excited by the existence of a film which they find objectionable, but which most of them haven't seen. Even the concept of such a film makes them boil with rage.

Yet surely any of us can find something, somewhere in the world that we find objectionable, but we don't go around smashing the place up and killing people because of it. It is impossible to live in a society full of irrational, violent people who use force to get their way, unless you share their views. What hope is there for the peaceful integration of these people in our societies?

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This is so mindless. The excuse of rampaging violence all because of an obscure film is preposterous. One way to ensure people have no respect for your religion internationally is by being touchy about it. If faith is so miniscule then it wasn't much of a faith.

However they never had the renaissance where the Church was questioned, so they have hundreds of years to make up for.

But we'll buy their oil.

Time to leave oil and leave the Middle East to itself

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One of U.S.diplomat who got killed in Libya posted on line the night before 9-11-12 regarding the fear of his death as he noticed peoples took pictures of his place including one of the guard. Also, Libyan government made few arrested and monitoring one specific group based on this information. Recently, after receiving congressional brief, Sen. John Mc.cain stated that it was a coordinated attacked. Well, the white house said that Obama missed the intelligent briefing very often, and I got no briefing at all. However, any skeptic regarding the net work of Islamisation across the globe would be the state of your analysis and intelligent. ALL THESE EVENTS ARE BOUND TO HAPPEN, it just a matter of time.

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I guess the crazed Libyan militants are angered by stereotypes

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@ bass4funk: No need in trying to give them the facts. Some never will face up to it.

@Alphaape, no, no, I would like to hear what bass4funk has to say with facts. No facts, then his claim is invalid. Please write papers just like you are in college. Writing without facts are not accepted.

Here is a fact you may want to read, Alphaape. This is a good reason why I am for Obama. We need to stop this.

http://www.change.org/petitions/selma-city-council-no-more-monuments-to-kkk-hate?utm_campaign=new_signature&utm_medium=email&utm_source=signature_receipt#

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Civilized people should respect other culture and never violate the taboo of other religions.

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Let's not forget about the Crusades and all of the historical malaise between the West and Islam, as that is part of what underlies the overreaction by some people whose primary education is based on religion, and whose sentiments are therefore somewhat easy to exploit by religious leaders and extremists.

This film appears to have been posted in the form of an easy to access short clip on the Internet at a timing to coincide with 9/11, when there are always protests.

And even with these protests spreading there are people in Toronto of all places that want to show the entire movie in a theater. For what? To prove their right to bigoted freedom of speech?

It's not difficult to incite such a collective reaction among a population with limited education and largely impoverished, whose greatest unifying force is religion.

The West has to apply Hate Speech laws to these film makers, or put new one's on the books if the courts reject the claims.

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"You can't buy love." The USA taxpayer is drained and tired. It is time to stop all foreign aid for two years, stop calling their elected officials leaders and friends, and let the place return to the way of life they want. The excuse that the USA wants tolerance in the world is an empty thought. Bring the military home now.

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while interviewing with Spanish media, Obama said that "Egypt is not an ally, and not an enemy to the U.S." Later stated dept. corrected hi by issuing a statement " Egypt is a non Nato ally to the U.S." Welcome to Obama's world. The liberal control media and the Obamabots are spinning with the headline "what is Obama's Middle East policy?

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There are all kinds of people in America. Stupid filmmaker made the very disgusting movie and did not consider the consequence by Islamic people saw it. The US government is nothing to do with the filmmaker and not supporting it at all. It seems that Islamic people misunderstand difference between private matter and government matter.

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Typo error: State Dept. and his (Obama).

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bass4funkSep. 15, 2012 - 11:55AM JST

@global

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/09/13/diplomatic-sources-state-department-had-credible-intel-48-hours-before-attacks-that-u-s-embassies-might-be-targeted/

You're welcome!

And please don't try to spin for Obama and the WH, they are already doing that themselves.

@bass4funk, thanks. This is not a fact. This is just a speculation unlike the 9/11 attack with factual warning in writing. The fact is not yet known. We are in the middle of investigation. I have actually other stories, but I do not claim that as a fact. I should have known better.

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Bgood41Sep. 15, 2012 - 12:36PM JST

"Egypt is not an ally, and not an enemy to the U.S Egypt is a non Nato ally to the U.S.

Both statements are legally correct.

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kwatt said "he US government is nothing to do with the filmmaker "

US government just sit there and never do something to prevent it. Freedom of speech isn't everything.

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efisherSep. 15, 2012 - 01:08PM JST

kwatt said "he US government is nothing to do with the filmmaker "

US government just sit there and never do something to prevent it. Freedom of speech isn't everything.

Do you know how many "you tube" are listed a day? Over one million from all over the world!!

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I think film makers need to continue to make such movies as much as possible. The only way to show Muslims how futile it is to censor all media is to hit them with a contstant barrage of video. Either it will cause war or they'll have to give up trying to kill every Tom, Dick, or Harry that printed or filmed something.

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The murders in Lybia sound really, really strange !! Anybody with half a brain would put at least 1,000 US Marines there ready to kick some ass if any terrorists got even close to American embassies etc.. So my gut feeling is that these Bengazi folk were set up to sit there, like sitting ducks just ready for terrorists to kill them. All of this sounds like some covert CIA operation or black ops etc..

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Except one statement by Obama, and the second one was issued by state dept. (Egypt receives over $ a billion from the U.S every year). It sounds like Bill Clinton on the meaning of "is" . Allegedly speaking, Cheers.

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Bgood41Sep. 15, 2012 - 01:23PM JST

It sounds like Bill Clinton on the meaning of "is" . Allegedly speaking,

You have lost me here. Please elaborate further, thanks.

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@globalwatcher

At least, US government should make the law to punish anything offensive to religion taboo.

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@bass--There's no excuses to be made. There was a video posted by extremists. There was an attack by different kinds of extremists. Innocent people died. And now another group of extremists (Romney et al) have spun this into a tale of intrigue, ineptitude, and weakness by Obama. The burden of proof is on the whiners, including you, Romney, and Ryan. Your narrative does not hold water, and by using unfounded and partisan comments by Marc Thiessen, Dick Cheney, and hotair.com (!!!) you only look more idiotic by the day.

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To combine into one statement by two different persons at different times is an act of spinning. In doing so, it sounds like employing same style as Bill Clinton on the meaning of "is" during Monica Lewinsky crisis. There was a reason for state dept. to clarify what Obama said regarding "Egypt is not an ally....".

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At least, US government should make the law to punish anything offensive to religion taboo.

Define "religion taboo"? What if your definition is different from somebody else's? Whose definition should take precedence?

Such a law would be a nightmare in every way imaginable and ,no matter how noble it's original intent might be, it most likely be used a way to suppress than protect.

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Bgood41,

Speaking of The State Department.

The Lap Dog Media can relax now about any possibility of having to ask any distasteful questions that might actually make President Obama look bad on this. It can get back to showing President Obama getting happy bear hugs from Pizza joint owners again instead of this pesky Middle East distraction.

The State Department told reporters Friday afternoon that it won't answer any more questions about the Sept. 11 attack on the consulate in Benghazi that killed four Americans until the investigation into the incident is complete.

"I'm going to frustrate all of you, infinitely, by telling you that now that we have an open FBI investigation on the death of these four Americans, we are not going to be in a position to talk at all about what the U.S. government may or may not be learning about how any of this this happened -- not who they were, not how it happened, not what happened to Ambassador Stevens, not any of it -- until the Justice Department is ready to talk about the investigation that's its got," State Department spokeswoman Victorian Nuland told reporters late Friday afternoon.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/09/14/state_department_stop_asking_us_about_the_benghazi_attack

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@plastic

Like Ape was saying, even the truth hits you in the face, you guys will always think that his holiness is greater than God himself. Obama has proved like Carter that he doesn't know what he's doing, wants to blame others for his once again FAILED policies and being a pacifist towards our enemies. If Obama would just admit and come clean and just say, he dropped the ball and next time, he will promise to be more vigilant, but NO, run, duck and hide and blame Romney. Nothing unfounded, but the truth is liberals just can't and will never try to see the truth hitting them in the face. I forget, only liberal magazines are always truthful and never say anything contrived.

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@bass4funk, Obama has proved like Carter that he doesn't know what he's doing, wants to blame others for his once again FAILED policies and being a pacifist towards our enemies

He said very clearly today he will bring a justice to this. He means well. At least he is a man of common sense he does not lower himself like Romney to blame others in the time of sorrow and crisis.. If you engage yourself in blaming games, then you are fulfilling a dream of terrorists. That's what they want you to do. They are using US as a scapegoat. They are testing water to take over their governments by provoking Anti-American movement..

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The Lap Dog Media can relax now about any possibility of having to ask any distasteful questions that might actually make President Obama look bad on this. It can get back to showing President Obama getting happy bear hugs from Pizza joint owners again...

Because that's what it's all about for you, finding any way possible to use these tragic deaths to ''make President Obama look bad on this''. Before the bodies were even cold.

The wingnut desperation to try and seek political advantage from these deaths... Just no sense of decency whatsoever ....

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@bass

you guys will always think that his holiness is greater than God himself

I deify no one. And I disagree with a number of Obama's policies.

Obama has proved like Carter that he doesn't know what he's doing

You have not 'proved' any incompetence on the part of Obama. That is your spin. His foreign policy in reality is not all that different from Bush.

being a pacifist towards our enemies

Does that include the killing of OBL, military action in Libya, continued fighting in Afghanistan, and continuing drone attacks (including extrajudicial assassinations of US citizens)? Quakers would not approve of Obama, I'll tell ya.

he dropped the ball

You prove that in specifics. And no more of that 'apologizing to our enemies' crap. It doesn't mean anything.

run, duck and hide and blame Romney

Who started the blaming, and who's doing most of it still?

only liberal magazines are always truthful and never say anything contrived.

Well, you do have a point there. But I would still maintain that the Washington Post has a more proven track record of reliability than hotair.com.

What it comes down to is this: the burden of proof is on the accusers. And you have offered none. Only hysterical polemic.

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Religion and Faith should not even be in the same sentence. Religion, whatever denomination has a lot to answer for. The religious leaders are not standing up and condemning those acts of violence or other misdemeanours. Faith, is something you hold close to you and only you. Religion has been used over history to control the masses. I personally am a practising Christian, but I see religion as a corporate company, the leaders as CEO's and the hierarchy as the directors.the lay preachers are the workers, and who cares about the workers nowadays. If you have your faith , you don't need a place of worship to practice ,church, synagogue , mosque, temple. All Religions are very rich and over indulgent. Tolerance is whats needed now, and its time all religious leaders got together as a group and condemn any form violence. Wars and violence solve nothing and there are no winners.

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Anybody with half a brain would put at least 1,000 US Marines there ready to kick some ass if any terrorists got even close to American embassies etc..

What a FANTASTIC idea! Kicking people's butts in their home country just after "liberating" them. Thank goodness people like you aren't the ones calling the shots.

The problem with freedom of speech is that idiots are allowed the chance to speak. While I dislike censorship (and really, the US can't claim "freedom of speech with the way their media is controlled by rich, powerful guys with vested interests) some people really shouldn't have a "right" to say and produce whatever they like.

Same goes with allowing everyone to vote. You get idiots that vote and well, look at the Bush Jr years for the results.

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Because that's what it's all about for you, finding any way possible to use these tragic deaths to ''make President Obama look bad on this''. Before the bodies were even cold.

The wingnut desperation to try and seek political advantage from these deaths... Just no sense of decency whatsoever

Our Ambassador to Libya and three other Americans are dead and I mourn the loss. I want to know if it could have been prevented. I want to know if our Government did it most essential duty......which is to protect American citizens from those that wish to do them harm at home or in foreign lands.

I want to know if my Government did its duty to the best of its ability. I could care less if this would have happened under a Republican President instead of President Obama the question demands to be answered for the families loss and to our citizens. Did our Government FAIL in protecting our Ambassador?

Well, you do have a point there. But I would still maintain that the Washington Post has a more proven track record of reliability than hotair.com.

hotair.com is quoting its information directly from this source. Since you have to read foreign papers to get American news, now.

According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and "lockdown", under which movement is severely restricted.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/revealed-inside-story-of-us-envoys-assassination-8135797.html

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ubikwit:

" The West has to apply Hate Speech laws to these film makers, or put new one's on the books if the courts reject the claims. "

And would you equally apply hate speech laws to the sermons that are routinely given by imams, and for that matter to the content of the Koran itself? Have you ever checked what it says there about about Jews, Christians, and Polytheists?

It seems to me what you suggest is not one law for all, but acceptans of supremacy of one particular religion/ideology.

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ElBuda Mexicano:

" Anybody with half a brain would put at least 1,000 US Marines there ready to kick some ass if any terrorists got even close to American embassies etc. "

No! Anybody with half brain would stop supporting the various islamist insurgencies across the Middle East, stop supporting Islamist regimes with blllions of Dollars, end the futile "nation building" efforts in places of Afghanistan, and instead robustly support our democratic principles in our own countries, including freedom of speech.

And development aid and military aid should be linked to human rights.

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Same goes with allowing everyone to vote. You get idiots that vote and well, look at the Bush Jr years for the results.

@ tmarie: So I guess if you are not part of the "enlightened class" you get no say in how things run in your worldview. What would happen if you lived in one of these muslim countries where as you have stated, you don't get the right to free speech. Would you still be happy. Don't know if you are male or female, but from your board name, I am going to guess female. Do you think you would have the right to post on this board if, as you say in your post that the right to free speech should be limited to some, if you lived in say Saudi Arabia and you are a female.

As with the free speech, it take more maturity to be able to "let it go" when others say or print objectionable material. I get offend all the time when I see sacred items from my religion objectfied and burned or made a mocery of. But I don't have to go and do the same to another's. If a film came out about Christianity that I thought was wrong, I will speak out about it, but most importantly, I will not watch it.

Obviously, some of these cultures have not reached that stage in civilized development.

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@Lizz, please provide that writing on JT. Thanks.

It was taken off the website "Egypt Independent" which is the English companion to Al-Masry Al-Youm, widely regarded as the most influential newspaper in Egypt.

http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/intelligence-warns-attacks-against-us-and-israeli-embassies

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/09/anti-muslim-film-nakoula-basseley-innocence-muslims.html

I suppose the FBI is questioning the producer of the film on charges actors say they were duped and overdubbed...lol

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According to Wesley Clark-a former commander of NATO believe that these terrorists groups in the ME are provoking and escalating a rage and anger towards Americans. It is their coordinated plan to trap American troops there. Hope Americans are not stupid enough to bite this invitation.or temptation. We are not going fulfill their objectives. We are smarter.

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The problem with freedom of speech is that idiots are allowed the chance to speak. While I dislike censorship (and really, the US can't claim "freedom of speech with the way their media is controlled by rich, powerful guys with vested interests) some people really shouldn't have a "right" to say and produce whatever they like.

"Freedom of Speech" has nothing to do with the private media. "Freedom of Speech" is not defined in the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights of the US Constitution. All the First Amendment says is that Congress (i.e., the National Government) cannot pass any laws that restrict freedom of speech. Over the years, the USSC has made various interpretations on what constitutes "free speech" and what the Government can or cannot do to try and limit it. But almost none of this (except in certain cases) apply to privately owned and operated media organizations.

The problem with freedom of speech is not that "idiots" are allowed to speak. The problem with freedom of speech is that some people believe that it should only apply to themselves or to those who think the same way. The same thing can be said about the right to vote. Excluding others from participating in the democratic process by denying them the right to vote simply because you don't agree with their "politics" sounds great until you find yourself in the minority.

It wasn't all that long ago that certain groups of society (for example women, people of color, the poor) were denied the right to cast a ballot by those (wealthy males) who felt they were "idiots" and, therefore, incapable of making the "right" decisions.

Haven't you ever felt isolated and alienated by the majority simply because you are a Gaikokujin here in Japan? What if the Japanese people around you try and rationalize this by saying it is because you're an "idiot"? Would that make it OK?

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Excluding others from participating in the democratic process by denying them the right to vote simply because you don't agree with their "politics" sounds great until you find yourself in the minority.

It is not about disagreeing with them at all - it about most people not having a clue as to whom or what they are voting for. The same goes for the idiots who make anti-Muslim movies and then sit back and watch the world explode in fury over it all and then claim ignorance about the reaction they might get. The same goes for the rioters and the reaction they get.

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It is not about disagreeing with them at all - it about most people not having a clue as to whom or what they are voting for.

I did not vote for W in either 2000 or 2004. I also disagree with many of the things he did while in office. However, I don't consider myself to be superior to anyone who did. These people most likely believed in who they were voting for just as much as I did. It's unfortunate the way things turned out, but that's democracy for you.

Quick to judge, quick to anger slow to understand. I don't think others who think and feel differently from me are clueless or idiots.

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And just why should non-Muslims care about the Islamic law that Mohammed cannot be depicted?

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I don't really think there is any answer to this unless every country makes it illegal to make anything slightly offensive against Islam.

So what have we come to? We have freedom of speech and artistic expression for everything except Islam - the wonderful religion of peace.

Maybe Obama can get on his hands and knees next time and whip himself, and imprison the person who made the video. Would that satisfy them?

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WilliB

Hate speech laws specifically target speech that incites people to riot, for one thing.

The Koran does not incite people to riot, neither do blatant claims for racial or religious supremacy or phrenology, for that matter.

I don't think that this is a simple problem with a simple solution, but the Hate speech laws should be able to play a role in a case like this where there is a DELIBERATE attempt to incite riot, especially since it is a religion based issue.

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"Maybe Obama can get on his hands and knees next time and whip himself, and imprison the person who made the video. Would that satisfy them?"

Not by a long shot.

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The killing of the American diplomats was almost inevitable, regardless of it being wrong and unjust. The American government and its intelligence arms should have foreseen these developments before it was too late. it should clear for Washington that a determined fanatic who feels deeply offended and hurt by blasphemy against the Prophet could create all kinds of security trouble for Americans. Both diplomats and others.

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And development aid and military aid should be linked to human rights.

That is why USA needs to give billion dollar aid to Israel each year. What Romney needs to do is to go on a begging tour and beg for money by going to Israel and please the Zionists in USA. The Christian FUndamentalists. I´m sure this is why Hiler CLinton is on her begging tour in China, Indonesia. I don´t think China is willing to lend more so. And Japan is broke. People talk about Muslim fundamentalism what about the Bible belt thumping Christian fundamentalism who believe that Israel needs to be Jewish because it says in the Bible which then has created all kinds of other problems. If you think of human rights then USA should stop giving aid to Israel for them to occupy Palestine. Romny is supporting apartheid state Israel.

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On the one hand it was a stupid movie to make but, on the other hand, it really is about time that all humans learned to laugh at themselves and not take things so seriously. Any religion is based on stories made up by a good storyteller. Kids believe the stories their parents tell them and that is totally natural. As we evolve (well, some of us anyway!), we slowly become more tolerant of things. Look at how different things are now compared to 50 years ago regarding language (e.g. swearing), sex and nudity. The Islamic world is facing a losing battle that is probably very frustrating for them, but they cannot escape technology and the instant communication associated with it.

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The U.S.A. created this situation and now has to find a way out of it.

The CIA supported and trained the Taliban and Al Quaeda.

They invaded and devastated Iraq and Afghanistan.

These countries lie in ruins.

Nothing has been achieved. Life in Iraq and Afghanistan is not better for the majority of people. They see the destruction. They see the US military everywhere in their countries. They know they don't have a hope in hell to fight back against all this fire power. Their hate has been bottling up for years.

I wonder how Americans would feel if were the other way round.

Ubikwit puts it well:

I don't think that this is a simple problem with a simple solution, but the Hate speech laws should be able to play a role in a case like this where there is a DELIBERATE attempt to incite riot, especially since it is a religion based issue.

This is a deliberate attempt to incite riot.

We don't have to agree with everything about Islam, but we should respect that they have their right to practice their religion in the way their religion states - provided, of course, it doesn't damage anyone else.

What we need to do is to show respect, tolerance. They have a deep and highly developed musical, artistic, literary and architectural culture that has had a profound influence on our own.

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Why should we show respect, Bertie? Would you show respect to a Nazi, or a racist, or someone who worships the Great Spaghetti Monster?

An attempt to incite a riot would be a video that said, "hey, let's have a riot and go kill (insert target here)". It would NOT be satire, comedy, social commentary, or fiction. Unless you are saying that Islam should have special privileges regarding incitement, that Muslims are uniquely and inherently inferior to others due to their inability to deal with their emotions and feelings in a rational and non-violent manner...

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What we need to do is to show respect, tolerance

Yes the Muslims should.

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This film is made with the financial support of the former Army officers of the USA Military, this film is clearly aim to create hate and extremism. This is intellectual terrorism, if the Americans and European are against the terrorism then they should also punished these intellectual terrorists.

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"Intellectual terrorism"? What is that?

Let's say you are right, Ali, and the film was made to create hate. So what?

Hate is just another emotion, like happiness, love, fear, etc. Maybe it was even created to offend Muslims. Again, so what? There is no human right NOT to be offended. I see and hear things every day that offend me, sometimes offend me deeply. Yet I don't resort to violence, rioting, and murder to make myself feel better. Muslims should have more cultural confidence so that they can laugh off this kind of attempt to put them down. Being hypersensitive and hysterical only makes them look weak.

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zichi every Muslim respect other religions because this an essential part of the Muslim faith.

As for as this film is concerned so this is not an individual act such things are happening from time to time and now the whole world understand that America and Europe targeting Muslim world with every channel, there is a gigantic propaganda against Muslims as we saw against the Russian. movies, electronic media, print media are being used to justify the wars against the Muslims

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Ali Khan

zichi every Muslim respect other religions because this an essential part of the Muslim faith.

I don't accept or believe that. Islam may respect other religions but I doubt that but certainly hundreds of thousands of Muslims don't respect other religions and even don't respect different brands of Islam. Muslims killing Muslims?

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Muslim respect other religions because this an essential part of the Muslim faith.

Don't think the Copts would agree with you there, or the Buddhists.

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zichi you are ignoring the fact that there is a political turmoil in the Muslim world in it is created by the west and because of this turmoil there is a huge poverty, ignorance which certainly some time change in to a civil wars in the Muslim world. you know that the Muslim world was occupied by the west during the second world war, the west snatch the resources which is still in their control and planted and supported dictators in the Muslim world and you blame all these things on Islam.

you clearly know who created and supported osama and talibaan, the west in order to defeat Russia. even now the CIA black water created civil war in Iraq between the Muslim groups. if the west do not occupy the Muslim land, resources and not imposing dictators, tyrants on them then the Muslim wold will chose their own leader and will use their own resources which will bring stability and peace. but the west needs chaos and wars because they want to sell their weapons

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"every Muslim respect other religions because this an essential part of the Muslim faith."

This statement is so wrong. It was a religion spread by sword and death. How can you say this? What is the punishment for leaving Islam?

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Ali Khan

it's so easy to blame the west for the failures of Islam.

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@plastic

I deify no one. And I disagree with a number of Obama's policies.

Then you agree with me that on almost all the major issues including the most important, the economy, the President has been quite derelict in his duties.

You have not 'proved' any incompetence on the part of Obama. That is your spin. His foreign policy in >reality is not all that different from Bush.

Bush would NEVER have apologized for OUR FREEDOM of speech! Bush would have NEVER capitulated to these thugs and these thugs would have never attempted to burn our embassies were he still President. The difference is Bush meant what he said, when it came to the security of our nation, Obama foreign policy, cloudy to say the least, NOT a spin, just basic facts.

Does that include the killing of OBL, military action in Libya, continued fighting in Afghanistan, and >continuing drone attacks (including extrajudicial assassinations of US citizens)? Quakers would not >approve of Obama, I'll tell ya.

Killing BL with Bush's help of using SEAL team 6, but yes, job well done from Obama. Military action in Libya? Not supporting the opposition troops or at least sending in ground troops to analyze and to find out who these people are? Didn't happen and look where we are now! Afghanistan. which is it, when things go bad, it was Bush's fault for starting these wars, but when things are good, now we can give Obama credit and praise that his actions there are now noble? Drone attacks...oh yes, now that we don't interrogate suspected terrorists anymore, can't really gather intelligence on the field like we used to, we will just bomb them no need to capture them, nuke them, destroy ANY evidence and DNA. That is Obama justice and foreign policy in a nutshell.

You prove that in specifics. And no more of that 'apologizing to our enemies' crap. It doesn't mean >anything.

Like most liberals, typical when facts hit them, as usual, they have their heads deep in the sand.

Who started the blaming, and who's doing most of it still?

Obama 100% Obama apologizing to these thugs, blaming Romney for his incompetencies and appeasement apology tour. In 2008 when he told the Muslim world that America is sorry and we want to have good relationships and he was hoping the Muslims would greet us with open arms and then what, it never happened.

Well, you do have a point there. But I would still maintain that the Washington Post has a more proven >track record of reliability than hotair.com.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/germany-opines-obamas-middle-east-policy-ruins

But of course, you want to see things from a liberal point of view, for the most part, because most liberals live, swim and drink in the world of Kool-aid. Even ze Germans realize his foreign policies are disaster and when Germany tells that to Americans, YOU KNOW something is amiss!

What it comes down to is this: the burden of proof is on the accusers. And you have offered none. Only >hysterical polemic.

http://www.npr.org/2012/08/28/160171606/foreign-policy-romney-can-win-on-foreign-policy?ft=1&f=1057

I just did! And to be fair, here's one from NPR, hardly conservative.

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I think you're giving the public too much credit here to be honest. A lot of people voted for Obama because he was black. That's it. That's the reason. A lot of other people voted against Obama because he's black. No rhythm, no reason other than skin colour. With Bush a lot of people voted for him because of his daddy. A lot of people voted for Gore because of Clinton. Most people who vote really don't have a clue what stance people take on most topics. Anti-abortion? Vote conversation. Don't bother thinking about anything else they stand for. Pro abortion? Vote Obama. Very small topics that get blown up while many other things get ignored. I do think some folks are more intelligent. I'll go one step further. Do you think people who live on handouts, who don't pay taxes and don't contribute positively (perhaps having numerous kids), who aren't educated vote for the good of their country or vote for what is best for them? Do you think rich cooperate who wants tax breaks and power vote for the good of the country or what benefits them?

I think you're giving the public too little credit to be honest. Of course, people vote for their own self-interests to a certain degree. But, their self-interests are often a reflection of what direction they believe their country should be headed in. I think most people selfishly tend to vote for the candidate that they feel will make their lives better, which in turn they equate as making their country better. I don't care how many kids they have or how much they pay in taxes. Their reasons for voting are their reasons. Is the process perfect? No. Are there many problems? Yes. But, I think it's much better living in a democracy with all its problems then living under the alternative.

Denying people the right to vote because you (general "you" not you tmarie personally) because they aren't as educated/rich/enlightened/the same gender as you, or are a different color/race/creed than you, sounds more autocratic/elitist than democratic. Exclusionary policies almost always do more harm than good and create more satisfaction than dissatisfaction.

Who determines who is "smart" enough to vote and who isn't? How do you determine who is "smart" enough and who isn't? Literacy tests? Civics tests? IQ tests? Net -wealth tests? What if somebody creates such a test and either you or someone in your family doesn't make the grade? Is that going be OK what you?

I don't know what nationality you are? I don't know if you live in Japan? But, if you are non-Japanese and are living here, do you like being excluded from the process? Do you like being considered a "gaijin" instead of a XXX-jin? Do you think it's fair that you are not even allowed to vote in local elections which may have a direct impact on you or your family? Assuming that you don't like any of that, you still want to exclude others in the same way? The reasons for exclusion may technically be different but the end result is the same.

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Daffyduck-san,

What we need to do is to show respect, tolerance

Yes the Muslims should.

You don't get it, do you?

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There are fanatics in every religion.

There are fanatic Christians.

There was a story about a church in Tennessee recently that wouldn't marry two people because they were black.

The VAST majority of Muslims (and there is a lot of them - Google it!) are peaceable people who respect other people, whether they are Muslims or not.

They don't make the headlines because they don't make waves. Those that get into the news are the nuts, the fanatics, the zealots.

Why this movies is so bad is because it lumps them all together.

WRONG CONCLUSION!

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You don't get it, do you?#

Sure I do.

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@Bertie

The VAST majority of Muslims (and there is a lot of them - Google it!) are peaceable people who respect other >people, whether they are Muslims or not.

You actually believe that? So burning and rioting and attacking over more than a dozen embassies is NOT making waves? What about the honor killings that are on the rise throughout the US, Canada and Europe. NOT allowing women to drive cars? If you are a woman and accused of rape or you want to make a complaint, you need 4 male witnesses? What the hell is that? How about being jailed, because you want to change your religion like this one man did and he almost face THE DEATH PENALTY for converting. Peaceful my A**!

They don't make the headlines because they don't make waves. Those that get into the news are the nuts, the >fanatics, the zealots.

I don't want to denigrate an entire religion, but killing someone over an alleged cartoon or because Al Qaida was plotting to do a major attack and as such, we had the legal right to neutralize that threat, but these thugs can go into a foreign embassy and that government is complacent or derelict in providing the proper security for the embassies, more than 20 of them? In America, we don't police our speech and if these guys don't like it tough! When I am in their country, I do as they wish, in my country, do as I wish. Yes, you do have crazy Christians and other religious nuts, but to this level and for the last 40 years, who is the largest aggressor worldwide and caused more mayhem and destruction, it wasn't ANY Christian, that's for sure!

Why this movies is so bad is because it lumps them all together.

It's a movie, people make fun of Christians and Jews all the time, no one is being slaughtered. Personally, I'm glad Youtube is NOT taking it down! These thugs want to block FREEDOM of speech, ain't going to happen.

ACCURATE CONCLUSION!

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bass4funk,

Yes, I do believe that the majority of Muslims are peaceable people who respect other people whether they are Muslims or not.

What you are talking about are fanatics in the Middle East who are pushing the buttons of those who've seen the senseless mayhem and devastation caused by the U.S.A. in Iraq and Afghanistan.

You seem to disregard this.

You seem to ignore the fact that 100,000s of thousands of Muslims, many of them women and children were killed by US troops. The reason for which is just as senseless as the "honor killings" you are talking about. The U.S.A. invaded Iraq because "Hussein has WMDs, we even know where they are!"

When I said that there are a lot of them, I don't think you realize quite how many. One quarter of the population of this planet is Muslim.

Check it out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_world

So, I stand by what I said.

Most of them are peaceable.

Because they have different mores to you, that some fanatic Muslims don't allow women to get an education is no reason to kill them. Of course, we don't agree with this, but it's their problem not ours. I'm sure they'll work out these things themselves in time.

As I said, we need more tolerance and understanding.

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@Bertie

Ok, let me rephrase that. Most of the Muslims I am talking about is radical Islam, they are making it worse for the moderates and for Islam the religion in general.

But don't give me this song and dance that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were just senseless killings all the time. Trust me, I know this first hand, very, very often many of these radicals would hide themselves between women and children and would often push them and put them in harms way, there were times when innocent people got shot because of this. That is not the fault of the military, when you are seeking a high value target and he throws his kids in front of you thinking you won't shoot, thereby distracting you so that he can either make his escape or trying to pick up a weapon to use against you, things can get out of hand very quickly when you are trying to secure a hight value target.

YOU seem to disregard this serious point.

You seem to ignore the fact that 100,000s of thousands of Muslims, many of them women and children were >killed by US troops. The reason for which is just as senseless as the "honor killings" you are talking about. The >U.S.A. invaded Iraq because "Hussein has WMDs, we even know where they are!"

Also, you seem to ignore the roadside bombs, the killings and the brutal tortures of our soldiers, not to mention the money that the US has pumped into Iraq and Iran, the schools that were built, the infrastructure and the clean water that many of them have, building pipe lines, why is it that you don't talk about the positive things that the coalition forces have contributed to rebuilding Iraq and Afghanistan. We know now Saddam lied about the WMD's as he himself said was to bolster his stance as being powerful and strong in front of Iran. So don't make any excuse for these thugs, NO country is perfect, but you want to give a sob story about the Muslims that were killed during these wars. If you were there in the thicket of it all, you probably wouldn't say that.

In Iraq's case:

Improving Primary Health Care: USAID is helping strengthen essential primary health care services throughout Iraq. Expanding Access to Electricity: In 2002, Baghdad had access to electricity 24 hours a day; the rest of Iraq was limited to 3-6 hours. Providing Potable Water: Many parts of Iraq had no access to or provision of clean potable water. Indeed many of Iraq's waterways were contaminated with refuse and sewage. Restoring Sewage Systems: Before 2003, Iraq's cities suffered from inadequate sewage systems; backed up sewage created pools in neighborhoods or emptied directly into nearby rivers. Improving Local Governance and Community Development: Iraqi democracy must prove itself through service delivery and community-based solutions to local problems. Connecting Iraq to the Global Economy: The private sector is the engine for sustainable job creation and economic growth. To help guide policy reform, USAID's Investor Roadmap analyzes constraints to investment. Expanding Political Inclusion and Expression: USAID assistance has helped prepare Iraq for two national elections, numerous provincial and municipal elections, and the Constitutional Referendum of October 15. Supporting the New Iraqi Constitution: The January 2005 Interim Government election put into place a National Assembly to frame a constitution emphasizing democracy and the rule of law. - UPDATE: The election was the most successful in Iraqi history with a wide plurality of voters swamping the polls and virtually no violence. Transforming Primary Education: USAID assistance has helped Iraq move away from rote learning methodology in decrepit, unsanitary classrooms to interactive learning in rehabilitated buildings. Restoring Excellence in Higher Education: The USAID Higher Education and Development (HEAD) Program brings together five American and 10 Iraqi universities to help reestablish academic excellence in Iraq's higher education system.

So please don't just look at the bad, most Muslims see a one-sided misguided version of what the forces did. We did more good there, definitely.

I know how many people are Muslims, but that doesn't justify these radical Muslims actions this past week.

Because they have different mores to you, that some fanatic Muslims don't allow women to get an education is >no reason to kill them. Of course, we don't agree with this, but it's their problem not ours. I'm sure they'll >work out these things themselves in time.

Oh, yeah, but it's ok for them to climb into the US embassy and to kill the Ambassador and 3 other staff?? And 4 soldiers were murdered in Afghanistan by Afghani police officers, the people that we trained?? But these people are peaceful, right? Of course that is our problem, this should have never happened! If the WH took the 48 hour threats more seriously, this incident probably could have been avoided.

Yes, we need understanding, but with the radicals, there is no understanding because they will always try to find an excuse and to find a way to attack us, no matter what we say or do. Obama and his ME policy of being nice failed miserably and if he can't get them to like us, NO one can! We need to take a much firmer and tighter control on these fanatics and radicals and have a tougher Zero tolerance stance with these thugs.

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bass4funk-san,

Thanks for your long and well thought out post.

I think we have points of agreement.

Notably that we shouldn't confuse the radical fanatics with the majority of peaceable muslims.

I agree that there is no understanding with the radicals.

These are robots, incapable of rational thought.

There are places where I am afraid I just cannot see your point of view.

Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney were not just hoodwinked by Hussein's bluster. We were told at the time that they "Knew Iraq had WMDs and where they were."

The invasion of Iraq was based on a bald faced lie.

Also, you seem to imply that the Iraqis are ungrateful.

Remember that it was THEY who were invaded.

The Americans who died were mostly soldiers who had chosen their profession.

Many, many of the Iraqis were women and children who either died quickly from a bullet or bomb or slowly because of sickness, starvation and the loss of somewhere to live and the family wage-earner.

Bush and Cheney did more between them to ruin the U.S.A.'s reputation world wide than I think you know.

And yes, you are right, the fanatics are using this as fuel.

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Agree with Bass.

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The Muslim world doesn't believe in free speech. We get it. Now could they please stop killing people?

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