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Tyre Nichols case revives calls for change in U.S. police culture

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“Budgets increased and more officers were hired for some large departments, including New York City’s.”

This doesn’t suit the ‘narrative’ we keep hearing and will hear again. ‘Defunding’ the police is not the issue.

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Once someone is in custody the violence stops.

Period.

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When will police departments learn that having teams that go out and look for crime don't work.

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Despite calls to “defund the police," an Associated Press review of police funding nationwide found only modest cuts, driven largely by shrinking revenue related to the coronavirus pandemic. Budgets increased and more officers were hired for some large departments, including New York City’s.

Just quoting this before the usual suspects on the right pop in to say it is all because "the socialist lib Dems in the Blue States have been defunding the police."

Militarized police in the US need funding cuts, and the flow of surplus weapons from the military to local police needs to stop and tactics need changing.

None of this is happening now.

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Maybe more women should be police? Men seem to go out of their way to prove they are men.

Women would bring a more peaceful means to a positive relationship between the citizens and the Police?

What do you think?

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Jim Jordan (Ohio) said that there are not enough good people applying to be officers, citing the “defund the police” movement as a reason; he said: “ We’re not getting enough good people applying because of the disparagement on police officers. They don’t get enough people applying, taking the test to enter the academy, to be an officer because there’s been this ‘defund the police’ concept out there. There’s been this attack on law enforcement, and you’re not getting the best of the best. “

He has a point; the good ones are being discouraged and, in a way, we’re giving more power to the bullies/insecure people, racists and incompetents.

And(!)… it’s too easy to become a police officer in the US.

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When will police departments learn that having teams that go out and look for crime don't work.

That’s not always the case, there are hundreds of specialized unit teams that work very well, but there have been a couple in the past that went rogue and way overboard like these guys did. Also, certain areas do need a special task force unit to deal with certain crime elements depending on the area or what kind of crime traffic, gangs, leaders etc occupy the area being surveillance.

Women would bring a more peaceful means to a positive relationship between the citizens and the Police?

Depends, not entirely.

https://youtu.be/SW838fITWYM

Only if you have women that can 100% physically take care of themselves, if not, you’re going to have a catastrophe on your hands. Better training is needed for sure, I’ll give you that, but putting women only? I don’t think so.

Militarized police in the US need funding cuts, and the flow of surplus weapons from the military to local police needs to stop and tactics need changing.

Great! Let’s discourage new hires, let’s encourage more to quit their jobs, allow crime to really get out of control, allow the thugs to take over and watch gun sales rise and and people becoming vigilantes, the entire nation will start to look like Charles Bronson.

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According to the documentary 13th, justice is a farce or racket. I think it follows the same pattern of war and health: forced spending and easy profits. The more arrests you make, citizens are forced to post bail, or money loans, which benefit the bankers, who run the government. Once in jail, free or low wages for prison industries, the same one that sells products to the US Government.

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Jim Jordan (Ohio) said that there are not enough good people applying to be officers, citing the “defund the police” movement as a reason; he said: “ We’re not getting enough good people applying because of the disparagement on police officers. They don’t get enough people applying, taking the test to enter the academy, to be an officer because there’s been this ‘defund the police’ concept out there. There’s been this attack on law enforcement, and you’re not getting the best of the best. “

He has a point; the good ones are being discouraged and, in a way, we’re giving more power to the bullies/insecure people, racists and incompetents. 

And(!)… it’s too easy to become a police officer in the US.

I agree

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Great! Let’s discourage new hires, let’s encourage more to quit their jobs

Florida are offering up to $5,000 to join the local police department. $5,000! Let the good times roll! That’s sure to attract the very best and brightest!

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With all 5 police officers being black puts a very different spin on the story. Looking forward to the BLM take on this.

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Upper ranked police with at least a two year college degree would make much better hiring decisions than the current cowboy situation.

Also, interesting that these black officers were dealt with swiftly and with appropriate harshness, as opposed to any white officers accused of exactly the same crimes.

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Florida are offering up to $5,000 to join the local police department. $5,000! Let the good times roll! That’s sure to attract the very best and brightest!

Well, yes, they hire them from other departments that won’t allow them to do their job, they also offer better benefits better and more stringent conditions added incentives and training, so I would think so.

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Looking forward to the BLM take on this.

Read this then.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/black-lives-matter-global-network-foundation-statement-on-the-murder-of-tyre-nichols/

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If lots of police department taught ,their officers about the consequences of a civil rights conspiracy,they would save the taxpayer,million of dollars in lawsuits,lots of time police not mind their business,and harassing innocent citizen they would have a productive day,each time a police arrest someone,he has to answer to a lawyer

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Mr Kipling ,I belong too the Black Liberation Legal Movement, I believe the punishment, should be swift , efficient and legal,you have a problem with this wiseguy lots of Black people believe taking justice into their own hand through a legal struggle

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End of police brutality. End of random traffic stops. Training of officers.

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Where is BLM on this one?

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BLM is opposed to all police brutality.

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Where is BLM on this one?

https://blacklivesmatter.com/black-lives-matter-global-network-foundation-statement-on-the-murder-of-tyre-nichols/

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Mr Kipling,lots of Black are not passive like a bunch of foreigners like you living in Japan,in America even undocumented citizens are not passive,willing too challenge those who violate their rights,maybe you will have the courage too defend your rights in Japan

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End of random traffic stops

Absolutely not?

BLM is opposed to all police brutality.

BLM has become a huge farce with the mounting scandals that’s growing around them, they have zero credibility.

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Read this then.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/black-lives-matter-global-network-foundation-statement-on-the-murder-of-tyre-nichols/

As per that link...

ALL police represent the interest of capitalism and impel state-sanctioned violence. Anyone who works within a system that perpetuates state-sanctioned violence is complicit in upholding white supremacy. Assimilation into a system that is anti-Black is one of the most dangerous weapons stemming from white supremacy.

Below link for anyone interested in what BLN really is all about.

https://unherd.com/2022/09/schools-shouldnt-fly-blm-flags/

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Wallace,lots of these police on these task force are corrupt , shaking down drug dealer for money and running their own criminal enterprise on the side

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I don't think the police need a cut in funding, but they need something to stop the adrenaline of the chase. It results in too many dead black people.

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Police are thugs and morons depending on the system they operate in. Had my own experience in Japan of 10 days In custody, no charge and upon my release found I had been robbed blindly.

nobody is innocent in certain eyes.

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*ALL police** represent the interest of capitalism and impel state-sanctioned violence.*

Kudos to BLM for correctly identifying the cause of the problem.

As MLK did when he moved beyond simple identitarian politics before his assassination and identified the socialism for the rich and rugged capitalist struggle for the poor which is the root of many socioeconomic issues.

It is more inclusive and illustrates the police are mainly there to protect the assets of large property holders and to keep dissent down.

Tried to get police assistance when you were victim of a crime?

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20 million traffic stops every year. Black drivers are stopped 1.5 times more than white ones.

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BLM has become a huge farce

Well, proud Trump white people should understand it's costing them tax money to incarcerate the black population more for the same exact crimes that white folk commit (like the drug war). In that regard that is a farce. As a white American I don't like my hard earned American tax dollars going to such wasteful spending. The incarceration rate of the US is at least 10x that of Japan and Japan is still a much safer country - This is what BLM is all about (warts and all). I'm pro BLM because they are making campaigns that in the long term saving me money by reducing incarceration rates of people of color. They break a few windows? So what? They never broke mine in my big house in my luxury gated community. Maybe a few hundred dollar repair for that broken window. But it costs billions and billions of wasted tax dollars to incarcerate people when it is not needed.

The "scandals" of the BLM really don't effect me or don't really cost any money. It's just Hannity/Tucker entertainment for the FOX geriatrics to entertain themselves in their LazyBoys for TV ratings while enjoying TV dinners.

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Watched the video and it is guts churning, these so called officers are nothing less than Thugs in Uniforms, it was police terrorism of the first degree.

I am almost 100% sure that these THUGS have done it several times in the past but this time there was a street camera that they could not edit nor turn off. if found guilty, I hope they get locked up for life and rot in jail.

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BLM is opposed to all police brutality.

Do you receive some sort of monthly newsletter from them after the donation you made? Like where the funds go, community events and so on?

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NOMINATION

   BLM is opposed to all police brutality.

> Do you receive some sort of monthly newsletter from them after the donation you made? Like where the funds go, community events and so on?

I answered a question by another poster and I have never made any donations nor do I ever receive newsletters but from time to time I might read an article or two.

But even if I did, why would that be any of your business?

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Wallace...

20 million traffic stops every year. Black drivers are stopped 1.5 times more than white ones.

Do you also know the rates of criminality ? For comparison...

But good to see that its not just white cops are racist, black cops are racist too.

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Tried to get police assistance when you were victim of a crime?

i don’t have to become a “victim” of crime and wait to be rescued.

this is where I live when I’m not in Japan, purposely:

“Florida police chief issues warning to criminals after homeowner shoots burglars: 'Most people are armed'”

One should expect that if you are brazen enough to enter into someone’s residence and it is not yours, with intent to commit an unlawful act, there may be repercussions," Haines City Police Chief Gregory Goreck said in a Friday press conference.

"We live in Florida, and more so, we live in Polk County, and most people are armed," he said.

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It results in too many dead black people.

If they're not running they have nothing to worry about. No person should run from a cop regardless of color, never ends well.

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20 million traffic stops every year. Black drivers are stopped 1.5 times more than white ones.

Yes, that's not the fault of the police. If you go by the statistics blacks are involved in more crimes, it would make sense that the police would scrutinize and check the people that make up most of the crimes.

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The cops had no justifiable reason to do a traffic stop on Tyre Nichols who was just going home to his family. A good man and father by all accounts.

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No person should run from a cop regardless of color, never ends well.

Cops are not allowed to kill a person running from them. Like when Walter Scott was fatally shot by Michael Slager. They can catch and hold them and arrest them. They are not allowed to shoot them or beat them to death.

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Isnt incarceration rate linked to being convicted of a crime that requires incarceration by law?

so if more people from group A are in prison then people from group A committed more violent/serious crimes than others.

they don’t just randomly pick people to be imprisoned for no reason.

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So it's not the fault of the cops for the 20 million traffic stops? If you are black you must be a criminal.

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Running away is not a justification to be beaten to death by violent cops. Five-on-one. Nicols feared for his life.

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Blacklabel

Isnt incarceration rate linked to being convicted of a crime that requires incarceration by law?

so if more people from group A are in prison then people from group A committed more violent/serious crimes than others.

No. People from group A can be targeted.

For example, between 2001 and 2010, despite roughly equal usage rates, Blacks were 3.73 times more likely than whites to be arrested for marijuana.

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despite roughly equal usage rates, Blacks were 3.73 times more likely than whites to be arrested for marijuana.

Then the usage rates aren’t “equal” are they?

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A good man and father by all accounts.

Well, you don't know that, you're going by what his family said, none of us know anything about the guy. Either way, he didn't deserve to die like that, no person does, no justification for it.

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I answered a question by another poster and I have never made any donations nor do I ever receive newsletters but from time to time I might read an article or two.

I just want to know why the BLM organization opinion matters. You knew their stance on police brutality so you may give us more of a rundown why I should support the BLM organization. I just need confirmation from you, Wallace, that I can whip out my checkbook and my money will go to the right place.

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Blacklabel, Bass4,you know police do not protect the public and are not interested in solving your personal crime, it more paper work in my city lots of police hide out in a church parking lot near me,not patroling

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Just another example of American "exceptionalism". No other developed, democratic country suffers such high levels of police violence. Unfortunately, I do not see excessively violent American police culture changing in my lifetime.

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More blacks are imprisoned than whites for the same crimes.

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The crack epidemic is totally unrelated and ancient history compared to what we talking about.

still resonates decades later. Blacks still getting longer sentences than whites for the same crimes. That is MY money. I understand you might enjoy spending your tax dollars on this for more entertainment on Tucker/Hannity. That is your right to waste money, but I don't like it. Japan's incarceration rate is 10% that of the US and the US is far more dangerous. The US needs strict gun control especially. Works for Japan. Works for Switzerland (where everyone has to have a gun)

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NOMINATION

   I answered a question by another poster and I have never made any donations nor do I ever receive newsletters but from time to time I might read an article or two.

> I just want to know why the BLM organization opinion matters. You knew their stance on police brutality so you may give us more of a rundown why I should support the BLM organization. I just need confirmation from you, Wallace, that I can whip out my checkbook and my money will go to the right place.

The statement "Black Lives Matter" is more important than the organisation. I don't care if you support them or not. That's up to you to decide what you want to do with your money. I was not soliciting money or support. Enough of your game-playing.

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Kind of like every time here’s a mass shooting revives discussions about America’s gun culture.

But does anything ever really change?

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More blacks are imprisoned than whites for the same crimes.

Because they did the same crimes more often and were arrested and convicted for those more often after doing them more often?

you cant make up murder charges, someone has to be dead.

Black on Black crime is a huge problem that leads to that disparity.

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Bass4,you know police do not protect the public and are not interested in solving your personal crime,

Ok, so what's your solution, more armed citizens, or are you saying thugs don't need to listen to cops?

More blacks are imprisoned than whites for the same crimes

But also depends on the extent of the crime, arrest violations, and priors those are all taken into consideration.

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Report to the United Nations on Racial Disparities in the U.S. Criminal Justice System

"The United States criminal justice system is the largest in the world. In yearend 2015, over 6.7 million individuals1 were under some form of correctional control in the United States, including 2.2 million incarcerated in federal, state, or local prisons and jails.2 The U.S. is a world leader in its rate of incarceration, dwarfing the rate of nearly every other nation.3"

https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/report-to-the-united-nations-on-racial-disparities-in-the-u-s-criminal-justice-system/

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Because they did the same crimes

No, for the SAME crime (singular). I know that this is entertainment for white proud Trump people. But it is expensive and a waste of tax money. BLM never damaged my house. But wasteful minority incarceration is damaging my tax budget. Also, when they unlawfully shoot people like Michael Slager tax payers pay the compensation. Walter Scott's crime? He had trouble paying child support. It's a problem in the black community and they often get arrested for it. What does that have to do with safety.

Black on Black crime is a huge problem that leads to that disparity.

More gun control needed. Too many Trump people want open gun laws.

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The United States criminal justice system is the largest in the world. In yearend 2015, over 6.7 million individuals1 were under some form of correctional control in the United States, including 2.2 million incarcerated in federal, state, or local prisons and jails.2 The U.S. is a world leader in its rate of incarceration, dwarfing the rate of nearly every other nation.3"

Well, we have over 340 million people, the largest First Nation and now with more illegals coming in expect crime to rise significantly.

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The statement "Black Lives Matter" is more important than the organisation

and using this statement will change what? What are you doing in your community on a day to day basis to bring change to obviously the biggest problem facing America? Where are the politicians that were active in 2020 for people to rise up against the police and government to make change? What makes this occasion less urgent than in 2020?

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"A report released at the end of 2022 by the organization Mapping Police Violence says black people continue to be disproportionately killed by the police. This was a year in which police officers killed 1,176 people-the highest number in a decade."

https://www.knowyourrightscamp.com/post/black-people-made-up-24-of-those-killed-by-cops-in-2022

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Well, we have over 340 million people, the largest First Nation and now with more illegals coming in expect crime to rise significantly.

This happened more under Trump than on Obama's watch. Deportations under Obama were up and under Trump were down. Proof is in the numbers. Why do Trump people always say that Liberals want open borders? Obama did more deportations than Trump.

That’s pretty disgusting and offensive. Also false.

(WRONG)

Proof

Michael Slager GoFundMe page set up [By Trump people] to raise money for police officer who shot dead Walter Scott is taken down

(news source)

It's good entertainment on Tucker/Hannity while munching on those HungryMan TV dinners in LazyBoys. They love that news.

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"A report released at the end of 2022 by the organization Mapping Police Violence says black people continue to be disproportionately killed by the police. This was a year in which police officers killed 1,176 people-the highest number in a decade."

I prefer to follow the overall police stats over any political organization. They don't face the challenges the cops face on a daily basis, so I wouldn't give these people that much credit.

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In the US 2.5 million Americans are imprisoned in a largely private prison system. Population 350 million or three times the size of the Japanese one with only 46,000 imprisoned people.

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Too lazy to even engage in "discussion" here.

But I have to say we dodged one of the biggest bullets by far in US history.

The mobs would be burning most cities as we speak now if the police officers were white.

Even a single white officer would be enough.

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Black people 20 years ago: Police are beating and murdering our children

Right-wingers: No, the police would never do that. You need to provide proof.

[Police put on body cams, get caught beating and murdering black kids]

Black people: Here, the video proof you wanted

Right-wingers: Well what did they do before the video to deserve it?

It's clear right wingers just want to shuffle the problem away and not deal with it. These people used to pretend they were for law and order. That myth doesn't exist anymore.

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It's clear right wingers just want to shuffle the problem away and not deal with it. These people used to pretend they were for law and order. That myth doesn't exist anymore.

Hey, they're not the ones that waged war and started the defund they police movement, so how's that turning out?

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Incarceration Rates by Country 2023

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country

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and started the defund they police movement, so how's that turning out?

Not how you imagine it.

“an Associated Press review of police funding nationwide found only modest cuts, driven largely by shrinking revenue related to the coronavirus pandemic. Budgets increased and more officers were hired for some large departments, including New York City’s.”

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18,000 police authorities. A bad cop fired can just move to another authority.

Police Use of Force: An Examination of Modern Policing ...

https://www.usccr.gov/files/pubs/2018/11-15-Police-Force.pdf

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But I have to say we dodged one of the biggest bullets by far in US history.

The mobs would be burning most cities as we speak now if the police officers were white.

Even a single white officer would be enough.

most cities would be burning?

Good thing no white officer has yet killed a black person by beating then

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5 officers vs 1 man in a traffic stop. All members of a newly formed special unit.

Sound much like ‘defunding’?

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The good news is ' The Scorpion unit ' involved will be disbanded, .......The bad news is they are just going to rename it ' Tarantula ' or ' Poisionous centipede ' and business as ususal, america doesnt change they just re-arrange !

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started the defund they police movement

Please be specific. Does this mean eliminate the police? Does it mean reform? Does it mean stop abusive practices? What is the Tucker/Hannity version of "defund" the police? Why do Trump people think that Hillary people just don't want any police? That makes even less sense then saying that Hillary people want open borders when under Obama there were record deportations.

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Judging by all the minus votes, posters do not agree with the topic of the article, "change needed in police culture", or that too many blacks have died die at the hands of the cops. Voting troll too I suppose.

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“an Associated Press review of police funding nationwide found only modest cuts, driven largely by shrinking revenue related to the coronavirus pandemic. Budgets increased and more officers were hired for some large departments, including New York City’s.”

AP, yeah…sure..

Here are the real reasons for defunding the police.

https://www.manhattan-institute.org/the-very-bad-reason-white-democrats-want-to-defund-the-police

White Democrats, on the other hand, remain committed to the cause whatever their level of wealth. And while support for depolicing substantially declines among non-white Democrats in areas with higher crime, support among white Democrats either holds steady or, remarkably, increases in these locales. This remains the case whether they are living in white neighborhoods, or diverse ones.

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In reality, this is an isolated incident so nothing will change, and nothing should.

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Since the death of Rodney King in 2012, there have been many blacks killed by the cops. With the killing of George Floyds 300 new police reform laws were introduced.

Some states are struggling to implement policing reforms passed after George Floyd’s murder

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/some-states-are-struggling-to-implement-policing-reforms-passed-after-george-floyds-murder

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Some states are struggling to implement policing reforms passed after George Floyd’s murder

https://www.foxnews.com/us/police-departments-are-struggling-to-hire-new-cops

https://rollcall.com/2022/04/27/defund-the-police-still-haunts-democrats/

The left will never live this down.

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There has already been change. The officers were fired and will be charged with crimes. Their unit was disbanded. More will come from this brutal killing of an innocent man.

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In America people are considered innocent unless proven guilty.

Imagine that.

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now with more illegals coming in

WRONG

Look at the numbers of deportations Obama vs. Trump

2019 359,885

2018 328,716

2017 287,093

2016 331,717

2015 325,328

2014 405,090

2013 432,228

2012 415,607

2011 390,423

2010 382,449

2009 379,739

2008 359,795

(dhs.gov)

Obama had higher deportation rate than Trump

defunding the police.

Does this mean eliminate the police like Tucker/Hannity says? What does "defund" mean exactly? Because when the police mess up like Michael Slager they pay millions and they is a real defund of tax dollars.

Walter Scott Family Reaches a $6.5 Million Settlement

(News source)

The problem is there was no business trying to arrest Scott anyway and the institutionally racist system made it that way, now tax payers are out six big ones.

"Defund" means to reform it (and yes, take money away from destructive policies that lead to Scott's death and loss of millions of tax payer money) to make it more effective. Also, more gun control. Too many guns in the USA because Trump people are buying them up then end up offloading them at gun shows there background checks are not necessary - they get more sell back money this way to pay for their catheters. Yes, this is a Trump problem.

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https://www.manhattan-institute.org/the-very-bad-reason-white-democrats-want-to-defund-the-police

Lol a bass link.

Did you read it? The ‘reasons’ why white Democrats ‘want’ to defund the police.

You took a lunch break for that?!

You prefer that over evidence that defunding the police actually isn’t happening?

Ooookay.

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Lol a bass link. 

Not my link, “a” link

Did you read it? The ‘reasons’ why white Democrats ‘want’ to defund the police.

Yes 

You took a lunch break for that?!

No

You prefer that over evidence that defunding the police actually isn’t happening?

Ooookay.

https://defundpolice.org/legislation-resources/

Anyway, this will not age well for the Dems.

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Once someone is in custody the violence stops. 

Period.

Why would this get downvoted?

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Even when the cities try and build training centers for police and firefighters, protestors show up to call the development "cop city" and people are killed. https://abcnews.go.com/US/atlantas-cop-city-people-protesting/story?id=96716095

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https://defundpolice.org/legislation-resources/

Did you read it?

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according to some, the officers will only be charged after they are found guilty.

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https://defundpolice.org/legislation-resources/

Chris Christie did this already. This is a Republican idea

Chris Christie to break the police officers union with contracts they considered burdensome, thereby cutting costs. 

(news source)

This happened on Republican watch. This is not a Hillary thing.

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Did you read it?

Rhetorical question?

A ‘paradigm shift’: $870m cut from police

For years, local advocacy groups have packed city hall meetings, demanding “jobs not jails”, “care not cops” and “books not bars” – urging officials to stop expanding budgets for police and jails. They have argued that cities should instead prioritize the programs that have been defunded over the years that would address root causes of crime and poverty, like education, healthcare and homeless services.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund-police-transferring-money-community

Hasnt been a success for the left.

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root causes of crime and poverty, like education, healthcare and homeless services [and very strict gun control. Also strict gun registration like they do in Japan]

Good point!

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Did you read it?

Rhetorical question?

No, a serious one.

I wouldn’t post a link I hadn’t read thoroughly. I find that the best way to avoid own goals.

Yet you post another link, from 2 years ago, thinking it has any relevance to today.

$840 million.

How much do you think is spent on policing the US each year? Go ahead, take a guess.

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Hasnt been a success for the left.

It did under Chris Christie, so it will be fine for the left. Just like deportations are very strong for the left (see above Obama deportation numbers vs. Trump). Obama is the winner in this regard. Defund the police Republican Chris Christie style. It will work. And more gun control. Trump people just want more guns.

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No, a serious one. 

Hmm….

I wouldn’t post a link I hadn’t read thoroughly. I find that the best way to avoid own goals. 

Yet you post another link, from 2 years ago, thinking it has any relevance to today. 

$840 million. 

You keep spinning, anyway, LA, NYC, Chicago, Detroit, Minneapolis, so how’s that working out with the rise in crime in the lack of cops?

How much do you think is spent on policing the US each year? Go ahead, take a guess.

How much do you think about how many lives were lost every year without police, how much gun sales do you think are going up because of the lack of police?

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You keep spinning, anyway, LA, NYC, Chicago, Detroit, Minneapolis, so how’s that working out with the rise in crime in the lack of cops?

More gun control

how much gun sales do you think are going up because of the lack of police?

Why do we need semi automatic weapons like the one used in the Pulse night club?

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Mr Nichols wasn't. He was beaten to death by five government agents before being proven guilty of anything. Neither was he given the right to a public trial without unnecessary delay, the right to a lawyer, the right to an impartial jury, or the right to know who his accusers were and the nature of the charges and evidence against him, as per the Sixth Amendment. 

The officers involved in the incident, as they should, will be afforded all those rights.

Definitely can’t argue that one.

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