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U.S., allies chafing at Turkish inaction on Islamic State in Syria

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Where is the help from China and Russia?

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Good for Turkey. Obama said a couple of years ago that "Assad must go", and that using chemical weapons would be "crossing a red line." But Obama has failed to act on his promises and threats, and Turkey is right not to respect or believe him. They will not commit their forces or fight without steady support, which is something they don't believe Obama will provide.

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Well, Obama can chafe all he wants. Erdogan has his own interests and acts solidly on them.

If Obama really wants ISIS to be defeated, he should stop his misguided support for the Syiran "vetted rebels" immediately and let Assad deal with ISIS:

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Muslim Turkey tried to establish caliphate in the West and were defeated under the leadership of Poland and the Italian priest in Vienna, Austria on 9/11 1683.

Turkey is the only Muslim nation member of NATO. They hated the Kurds and Assad. The only problem was they are trying to blackmail the west for more air strikes and they don't do nothing but watch ... Hello Turks thanksgiving is coming be ready.....

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What happen, didn't the anointed one Obama and saving private John Kerry see this one coming? Both of them have talked with Erdogan, right? Come on, he doesn't want to listen! Many bots are still behind them unconditionally, and that is a good news for Obama's on the air coalition. People are being slaughter in the free and sovereign Iraq, as declared by Obama. Red line anyone, a fantasy free Syrian army to the rescue next year.... Tell that to the Kurds in the region!

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Sounds like Turkey is the only country thinking logically here. There are no good guys and bad guys in this war, there are bad guys, and worse guys. So Turkey is holding back from helping either of the bad guys, and will fight if/when it comes to their door.

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Erdogan and Obama want the same thing: Assad deposed. One key difference is that Erdogan opposes the Kurds, so won't lift a finger.

"They (Erdogan) see Assad as a greater nemesis on their border than even the Islamic State. Taking out the militants without a plan to fill the inevitable vacuum, they say, will lead to further chaos that will only strengthen Assad.  They want the U.S. to set up a no-fly zone and a humanitarian corridor, as well as ramp up assistance to Syrian rebels battling to overthrow Assad."

ISIS is doing the dirty work(ethnic cleansing) for Erdogan.

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preventing the town’s fall to Islamic State militants was not a strategic objective for the U.S

but they wish it would become somebody else's strategic objective...? This seems like a strange message.

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(Erdogan) see Assad as a greater nemesis

John Galt, you're right that Erdogan badly wants Assad deposed, but you're wrong about the reason. Assad is not "nemesis" to Turkey, before the Syrian conflict started Erdogan and Assad were on good terms. Everything changed after Assad declined the idea of Qatar gas pipeline to Europe through Syria and Turkey, thus denying Turkey hefty transit income. After that Erdogan completely changed his policy towards Syria. Money - that is the reason, not any real threat from Assad. Now Turks enjoy the result of their support for anti-Assad forces, war at their doorstep. Greedy and stupid.

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Bgood41:

" Red line anyone, a fantasy free Syrian army to the rescue next year.... Tell that to the Kurds in the region! "

Tell that to the Kurds, plus the Yazidis, plus the Christians, plus the Druzes, plus the Mandeans in the ISIS state. This president is presiding over a genocide largely enabled by his policies. Are we proud yet?

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Asakaze, how Assad became Erdogan's nemesis (quoted from the article) doesn't really matter so much. Is Erdogan greedy? He's a politician, isn't he? The better question is how or why Assad fell out of favor with Uncle Sam. You may recall how Kerry and his wife oozed how gracious and kind the Assads were when the Kerrys visited them and dined in Damascus. How many faces does Kerry have?

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Sounds like the coalition bombing campaign isn't working and now they want to shift the blame to Turkey.

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Did someone just quote the date 1683?

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Surely as a member of NATO there are certain obligations? Such as defending a border town, which if it falls will allow IS to invade Turkey? Or do the Turks want the IS terrorists to exterminate the Kurds and so solve a problem... and will deal with IS when the DO invade?

Why are the Turks positioning their M60s around the hill overlooking the city? Are the tanks just to watch? If they are going to do nothing, then move the tanks away, otherwise use the bloody things!

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John Galt, I think it does not matter how many faces does Kerry have. As you said about Erdogan, "he's a politician, isn't he?" The main question is how many faces does Uncle Sam have. And I believe that attempts to topple the only more or less seculiar regime ib the Middle East with resemblance of democracy, in alliance with countries as Saudi Arabia and Qatar, with their medieval mentality and norms, and all that for the sake for "democracy", it is just hypocricy and pure BS.

Did someone just quote the date 1683?

Yes, somebody just likes history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna

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Sounds like the coalition bombing campaign isn't working

If there is anything that the last few decades of western meddling in the middle east have shown, it's that bombing them doesn't fix anything.

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Strangerland:

" There are no good guys and bad guys in this war, there are bad guys, and worse guys. So Turkey is holding back from helping either of the bad guys, and will fight if/when it comes to their door. "

Are you serious? For you the Kurds, who ISIS wants exterminate, and the ISIS jihadis are the same? Christians and Yazidis fleeing from the ISIS genocide and are getting safe shelter in Kurdish areas, and for you this is all the same?

The genocidal murder and the victim are equally bad for you? Can you explain how you get to that position?

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What a mess.

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So the coalition is pissed because they can't get Turkey to do what none of them will do, fight with ground troops. Strangerland: agreed, one month from now or even a year from now, the coalition will never fix or cure the IS problem with a bombing campaign.

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Exactly bombing will never get the job done unless you send ground troops. There are already special forces on the ground and depending on how much pressure the president gets, that might be his ONLY logical answer. Without eyes and observers on the ground and an ever adapting enemy, dropping a bomb, if they are lucky, they might get less than a 1/3 of their targets. It will happen and the numbers will increase, it's just a matter of time.

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The fact is many in Turkey support the bloody ISIL. What we are seeing is a new Warsaw uprising...the old one involved Russia sitting back while the Nazis destroyed the Jewish population in Warsaw while this one sees Turkey sitting back and letting ISIL kill kurds. Shame on Turkey! Do they think that ISIL is going to go easy on the Turkish people? I guess this is why the secularist in Turkey protested so much a few years ago when the Islamist Erdogan was "elected".

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I get the impression that the Turks, with their modern army and air force are afraid of IS... or they are letting them do their dirty work for them.

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notasap:

" Do they think that ISIL is going to go easy on the Turkish people? I guess this is why the secularist in Turkey protested so much a few years ago when the Islamist Erdogan was "elected". "

Depends what you mean by "going easy". If you submit under wahabi islam ISIS style and don´t stick your neck out, sure ISIS is going "easy" on you. And you are spot on about the secularists in Turkey. Although Erdogan would probably not institute the exactly same draconian koranic rule as ISIS if given a free hand, he is not too far from them ideologically. Ever since in office, he has tried to dismantle Turkeys kemalist laws and replace them with Sharia. So no, Erdogan is not too eager to fight ISIS:

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