U.S. job losses mount as Trump outlines plan to reopen businesses

Trump will save us all from this (rolls eyes).

Thank God our President is Trump. If he was not the president now then there will be no USA as a leader nation in this world. 90% of the business owners have trust in him that he will bring back our country to the greatest nation on earth. We tax payers will be benefited of being the citizen of USA.

bringing the four-week total to 22 million

Oh. My. God.

You’re going to call your own shots,” Trump told the governors,

Flip-flop from 'I have the authority' to 'I'm not responsible for that'. What'll he say tomorrow - before he flip-flops the day after.

The ranks of America's unemployed swelled toward Great Depression-era levels Thursday,

Trump's legacy. Hoover and Trump.

He has no choice but to reopen, otherwise the IRS will have no tax income. Hell hath no fury like a gov worker with no check. Allot of them will be out of work. Actually this natural event is a good prune for excess; its a game changer on many levels. Survival of the fittest.

Trump's legacy. Hoover and Trump.

Its what you and haters are banking on, but we must always back it up to source and squash your hijacking and diversions...Trump did not invent the virus. Many presidents get hit with calamity; FDR and Pearl, Bush and 9.11, it called crisis and life, and he is dealing with it.

Thank God our President is Trump. If he was not the president now then there will be no USA as a leader nation in this world. 90% of the business owners have trust in him that he will bring back our country to the greatest nation on earth. We tax payers will be benefited of being the citizen of USA.

It seems that not only are there is a dreadful loss of life and livelyhoods, but truth and rational thinking have fallen by the wayside.

There is no such thing as leader nations, and no nation is the "greatest".

It's that type of jingoism that divides and reflects badly on humanity.

Let's hope for a better world, one where we can work together. One free from demagogues and worship of suchlike.

Trump could be handing out free checks to everybody and the haters would still complain

Oh snap...he already did that

Maybe free weed? Interesting that countries who never got with that medical marijuana crap are not suffering as much. Any correlation to the virus and smoking that weed?

It is a judgement that has to made at some point, and he is between a rock and hard place.

If Trump makes the call right, the economy gets back on track and the virus doesn't increase dramatically, it'll help his election chances no end. If he's wrong, it'll be the end his presidency.

Given that lives are at stake here, you've got to hope that he's calling it right.

Biden would be handling this better?

I think Biden is aware of his limitations and would rely on advice from experts, not take a 'I have no metrics; it's all inside my head' gunslinger's approach like Trump has.

He can't even speak cogent English.

Biden's no Obama or Bill Clinton when it comes to speaking. But listen to Trump when he's not reading from the teleprompter if you want to hear garbled English. Pot-kettle

"I alone can fix America", D.J.Trump, July 22 2016. Promises made, promises kept (Lol). As millions of us knew from the get go, he done "fixed" things good and proper. It's unfortunate that the country must remain in a coma on "Big Gov'mint" life support until January 2021.

The current occupant of the White House in his latest reelection campaign rally, disguised as a press conference on the current pandemic, incorrectly stated that “he” has done the right thing to mitigate the effects of Covid-19 from the beginning.

“You’re going to call your own shots,” Trump told the governors,

There was never any doubt about this amongst rational adults.

Maybe free weed? Interesting that countries who never got with that medical marijuana crap are not suffering as much. Any correlation to the virus and smoking that weed?

Medical marijuana crap? You’re clearly extremely misinformed.

No, there is no causal connection between smoking marijuana and the virus.Keep grasping at straws, boomer.

The usual suspected governors will fight Trump tooth and nail all the way through the summer just to hang the economy around his neck come election time.

No. Rational adults understand that everyone wants the economy opened back up. The difference is some want to rush it and others want to do the right thing and take science into consideration.

Why is it so difficult for conservatives to understand reality?

So the die is cast, they are going for economic health whilst the physical health of the country is going to be thrown to the wolves. It becomes one big social experiment now - one that will be analysed for decades, perhaps centuries to come.

The results of this will be fairly predictable you'd think, namely that the virus will run freely though the country, the death toll will be very, very high, and the medical and health facilities and their capacity to handle infected people will max out.

The US seems very fractured and this pandemic is pumping fracking fluid directly into those fault lines. I am not looking forward to seeing how this plays out.

It's that type of jingoism that divides and reflects badly on humanity.

Not for us.

Let's hope for a better world, one where we can work together.

I definitely agree with that.

good news! Temporary unemployment rate is obviously solved by allowing people to return to work.

good news! Temporary unemployment rate is obviously solved by allowing people to return to work.

Agreed. Open the floodgates and let everyone go back to work. There is zero risk in doing so; it’s not as if a pandemic is ravaging the country and over-loading the healthcare system.

We need to open our country or we won't have a country any more.

It's going to be done in a step by step methodical way taking into account the facts and the situation in each part of the country to save as many lives from the Wuhan virus as possible.

Trump did not invent the virus.

No but Trump's public health policy like TrumpCare is making the US the worst country - more than China. Trump can't even beat China (where is originated) and one of the biggest reasons is TrumpCare.

good news! Temporary unemployment rate is obviously solved by allowing people to return to work.

Bad news. Allowing people to return to work, especially if physical distancing and other measures aren't taken, while the virus is still spreading and is still not understood puts the nation - except the 'elite' in power who have access to the world's best healthcare and can hide away on one of their yachts or island retreats - at even greater risk.

Is it? 9 states have less than 1000 cases. Except NY hospitals are not even close to full even they have excess ventilators and sending them elsewhere.

Nurses have time for posting cure choreographed group dance videos on Tiktok.

and over-loading the healthcare system.

We need to open our country or we won't have a country any more.

What is Trump going to do for the public health policy? How is Trump going to pay for the medical bills (with specifics since TrumpCare is a failure)?

Weed store is open as is liquor store and the lottery ticket stores. All essential activities. I can’t go out to eat or go to my office even go to church though?

No but Trump's public health policy like TrumpCare is making the US the worst country - more than China blah blah blah

I keep telling you that we don't have TrumpCare, that we're still basically on Obamacare, which sucks for a lot of people, but you refuse to acknowledge this pesky fact as you take China's official numbers as fact. LOL

Pro wrestling is an essential activity and business already. Those Dem leaders who want to stretch out the reopening over the next 1-2 years are losing the consent of the governed.

Two Dem states are even trying to claim protests against their stay at home orders are illegal.

Nurses have time for posting cure choreographed group dance videos on Tiktok.

It's Trump's call. He should simply say the Pandemic is over and we should go back to work. He has the authority....

When somebody's the president of the United States, the authority is total, and that's the way it's got to be

(Trump)

It's all on Trump now

Weed store is open as is liquor store and the lottery ticket stores. All essential activities. I can’t go out to eat or go to my office even go to church though?

Sorry, Black, we have to suspend the Constitution indefinitely as we give trillions of tax dollars to the airlines, banks, Big Pharma...

Bad news. Allowing people to return to work, especially if physical distancing and other measures aren't taken, while the virus is still spreading and is still not understood puts the nation -

They all know this, this is why Dr. Fauci and his team as well as these governors are working together and coordinating a plan on how to do this safely, the White House is talking about it right now. So that’s the positive news on that.

except the 'elite' in power who have access to the world's best healthcare and can hide away on one of their yachts or island retreats - at even greater risk.

What? Oh...lol

No he actually allowed governors to handle it, at their request. So they alone are responsible for reopening their own state and any consequences ever arise from their doing so.

It's all on Trump now

Pro wrestling is an essential activity and business already.

A previous Trump cabinet appointee is the wife of one of the big wrestling corporations. More crony capitalism?

we're still basically on Obamacare

We are on TrumpCare. Trump has eliminated Obamacare (public option and Medicaid expansion) and that is one of the big reasons why CV is such a big problem in the USA. Besides what (exactly) is Trump going to do to pay for the healthcare costs related to CV? What exactly is the new TrumpCare going to do to help? He has no solution which is why TrumpCare is a big failure. Obamacare was about public option and Medicaid expansion which Republicans oppose. Proof that this is TrumpCare and it's failure of the fight against CV.

No he actually allowed governors to handle it,

WRONG

When somebody's the president of the United States, the authority is total, and that's the way it's got to be

(Trump)

It's all on Trump now because he has the real authority. Why wait for governors? Trump can do it now and be the hero. He will also improve his chances of re-election.

Also Trump has failed to deliver on Hydroxychloroquine as he declared it as the most effective way to beat CV.

“Obamacare looks surprisingly sturdy after the individual mandate’s repeal

Insurers are doing just fine with Obamacare after the penalty for not having insurance was repealed.”

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/1/6/21052264/obamacare-still-in-effect-mandate-gone-voxcare

We are on TrumpCare

You must have missed this

How the Obamacare repeal failed ( from the Washington Post, not a pro Trump organization )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnkNVuRmbCo

Weed store is open as is liquor store and the lottery ticket stores. All essential activities. I can’t go out to eat or go to my office even go to church though?

You forgot gun stores. Conservatives decided guns, liquor, and the lottery were more important than jobs.

Insurers are doing just fine with Obamacare after the penalty for not having insurance was repealed.”

Uhhh . . . They were doing just fine before Obamacare was implemented. You know, the law to protect average people from the insurance companies.

Insurers are doing just fine

Correct because people are not doing fine with TrumpCare. Under TrumpCare healthcare costs are rising more than incomes...a lot higher and going bankrupt over it. Yes correct INSURERS are doing ok but TrumpCare recipients are getting the shaft.... especially with CV and one important reason that Trump is doing worse than China in the CV fight. Trump and his TrumpCare are so bad they can't even beat China in the CV fight.

You must have missed this

You must have missed Donny gutting Obamacare, which h means it’s now Trumpcare.

No he actually allowed governors to handle it, at their request.

Since he didn’t have the authority to prevent the governs from or force them to do anything, he didn’t “allow” anything.

How the Obamacare repeal failed

Trump eliminated the public option which would be very effective in paying for CV cases. This is on Trump. Trump also failed to expand Medicaid that would also protect people. This is TrumpCare (Obamacare without the public expansion) and why TrumpCare is failing. Obamacare would be ok as long as Trump allowed a public option. Works in Japan doesn't it?????

This is TrumpCare (Obamacare without the public expansion) and why TrumpCare is failing.

Congress has not passed anything to replace Obamacare. Therefore it is still Obamacare.

Go ask Congress about this. I'll wait.

Ok glad you are in agreement that governors have taken full authority and responsibility for these reopenings, at their request.

best part is there when people go back to work, that’s a new job creation stat for this administration.

Since he didn’t have the authority to prevent the governs from or force them to do anything, he didn’t “allow” anything.

Congress has not passed anything to replace Obamacare. Therefore it is still Obamacare.

No, Trump eliminated the public option and no Medicaid expansion? Besides what is the new TrumpCare plan anyway? What exactly is Trump going to do. No one has ever answered this question. At least Obamacare had public option and Medicaid expansion and Trump killed it. It is no longer Obamacare as Obama planned it which makes it TrumpCare. The public sector is better at paying for healthcare like CV and Trump killed it. Trump has the authority so it's on him with his TrumpCare failure

I will take it! I didn’t know liberals admit Obamacare is repealed and replaced. Could have sworn they were overjoyed when McCain killed that. Could have sworn there were active court cases up to the Supreme Court about it.

promises made promises kept! Repeal and replace Obamacare marked off the list.

What hospitals are turning away coronavirus sufferers

Do medical payments grow on trees? Who is going to keep with hospitals above water since no one will be able (even with private TrumpCare) to pay for the 100s of thousands per person for CV intensive care treatment? It it Trump's failure.

Somebody break the news to Nancy:

June 17, 2019 - 01:15 PM EDT

Pelosi: Dems will 'fight relentlessly' against Trump's ObamaCare repeal attempts

promises made promises kept! Repeal and replace Obamacare marked off the list.

See? Now we have TrumpCare and the US under Trump and TrumpCare is doing so poorly that China is beating the US in the CV fight.

Proof that we now have TrumpCare

I'm not sure if the US has "passed the peak" , as declared by Trump. Maybe, at least on the east coast while an increase is still likely in the Midwest and the west coast. But it's vital, NOT too early to start discussing/preparing the exit strategy with economic programmes. A depression is as deadly as the virus. It is also a relevant public health issue.

We're not talking about afterwards when the bill comes

Then hospitals somehow magically stay in business? Who pays for the six figure bills? I know I can't pay that. That's so convenient. Just go to a hospital in the US, say you don't have any way to pay then be on your way without worrying about paying that 100 thousand dollar bill. Yes doctors don't care and they don't know who pays and who doesn't. The bills magically pay for themselves. I guess TrumpCare is a good system after all. If I visit the US and have an emergency I will just say thanks to the ER then be on my way back to Japan. Love that American free choice.

The US has certainly passed the peak.

why else are liberal states going back and adding thousands of “probable” deaths from the past to the daily death count and starting the “but 2nd wave!” narratives.

gotta protect their original gloom and doom models and gotta get people unemployed dependent on those government checks to control them.

The US has certainly passed the peak.

Fine, this is on Trump's watch. He has the authority and if he doesn't open up the economy it's his failure

Even Fox news has Trump's approval rating nosediving. Who's the scapegoat for today?

Anyone who thinks Democrats want to keep the economy closed just to hurt Trump is delusional.

We only have 7.9 deaths per 100,000 in the entire USA. That’s including non tested deaths presumed to have been related and thousands of elderly nursing home deaths -including a 108 year old who died “of coronavirus”.

time to get back to work. If governors reopen their states, they agree with me. No going back later and blaming someone else for their decision.

This still doesn't show how trumpcare is responsible for the high number of cases and deaths from cv.

Is TrumpCare helping?

Are doctors turning patients away? 

Docs never know but billing department does

 But stop saying trumpcare is responsible for many cases and deaths.

But it is. Again is TrumpCare helping? The US is even losing against China!!

If not, then change your argument to: because of trumpcare, many cv patients will have high hospital bills

(Ok) and sick uninsured people (or ones who have TrumpCare junk policies) will be reluctant to seek medical treatment since they fear the bill more than the disease. They will get sicker and pass it on to other people.

That is why TrumpCare is making the situation worse because it is not helping.

why else are liberal states going back and adding thousands of “probable” deaths from the past to the daily death count and starting the “but 2nd wave!” narratives.

You're making one very basic mistake : sadly, "liberal" leaders aren't capable of thinking such devious and amoral plans to benefit themselves and their own elections. That's actually why they keep losing them (even when they win the popular vote). Liberals unfortunately tend to have morals and think about their accountability. They are typically prone to trust the system and the voters, whereas Republicans know that you can only win by rigging the system (=gerrymandering, foreign interference...) and manipulating those voters. Which is actually the most effective way to win, by far.

Honestly I wish democrats were actively tanking the economy to make Trump look bad, but unfortunately they're all way too weak and honest to devise and execute something like that.

They will get sicker and pass it on to other people.

Which makes TrumpCare...

responsible for many cases and deaths.

Thanks

TrumpCare's failure is worse than the Trump wall failure with ladders and shovels (also drones to deliver the drugs). Trump fails at everything.

The Trump administration plans to use money from the recent stimulus bills to pay hospitals for treatment of uninsured coronavirus patients.

WRONG

Not all sick people have CV. Someone could go in thinking they have CV (or say they have it) but it's something else (serious) and we are back at square one with TrumpCare making it a main cause of the CV spread in the USA. There are cases of that already that I read about. Now if Trump makes it a universal plan to cover all REAL illnesses then that would be Trumpcare I would be happy with. And things could go in that direction. But for now TrumpCare is a leading cause of the CV spread.

The Trump administration plans to use money from the recent stimulus bills to pay hospitals for treatment of uninsured coronavirus patients.

When? Because the virus does not wait.

will take it! I didn’t know liberals admit Obamacare is repealed and replaced. Could have sworn they were overjoyed when McCain killed that. Could have sworn there were active court cases up to the Supreme Court about it. 

If a fundamental aspect of a program is changed, the program is no longer the original program. Why do you conservatives have such a difficult time with logic?

While the world watches the ""supposed greatest"" country in the world fumble left right & centre, everyday americans are suffering, while the rich CUT some loses & are firing & laying off millions. While some of these last resorts for small business, big business could be doing better BUT as USUAL it is NOT, its VERY selfish that way, greatest country indeed, not!

As I have said before this virus could turn US very UGLY & there are some who worry about this as well:

But conservative economist Steven Moore, a Trump ally, said there will be 30 million people out of work in the country if the economy doesn’t open back up soon. “And that is a catastrophic outcome for our country. Period,” he said. “You're going to have social chaos.”

NOTE the very LAST word....chaos......with all the guns & fools in the US it could get scary beyond belief & like China is afraid of its own people I think US govt is ALSO afraid of many of its own people, if this gets worse the US is going to be a total nightmare!

The US govt & Big Business have set the current stage, they better NOT screw up or the consequences could be off the charts !!!

mental gymnastics. Has Obamacare been repealed? No. and its not logical to claim that something not repealed is magically not law anymore at the time of your convenience.

So when Trump fundamentally changed our economy with new policies, why did your team run around claiming for 3 years claiming its "Obamas economy"?

Well its Trumps economy now and he will be rolling into the election with 20 million plus jobs created between now and then and a stock market back to near historic highs.

If a fundamental aspect of a program is changed, the program is no longer the original program. Why do you conservatives have such a difficult time with logic?

Which is what all the liberals and their governors demanded. Until they got it.

Enjoy the responsibility, accountability and blame.

The president's buck now stops with America's governors.

Strangely these same states had no responsibility or accountability for their lack of medical equipment nor any of their decisions that led to deaths in the states they lead.

Dem in Louisiana said she didnt cancel Mardi Gras because the federal government didnt order her to do it. that implies the federal government had the authority to do so and that she would have complied. Now the federal government tells her to reopen- "you dont have that authority!"

Was totally federal government. But now, states rule and federal government has no authority. quite interesting.

It's good to let the states decide since the problems are different in different areas. They do indeed own it, but that doesn't let Trump off the hook for his slow response and getting powned by China.

If states now control when they open, wouldnt states also have had the authority to close anytime they liked?

isnt the supposed "slow response" that of each state, if this is the story you are telling?

@blacklabelStrangely these same states had no responsibility or accountability 

I don't recall reading anywhere states saying they had no responsibility or accountability. That kind of language sounds like something a partisan extremist who can only understand events from a binary perspective and who wants to add fuel to fires to further divide would say. Or something Trump would say.

please refer me to any liberal media article that acknowledges that Democratic leadership is accountable for virus transmission by telling people to come to Chinatown, take a cruise or come downtown NY and go to a movie. No leaders of liberal states were held accountable or responsible for anything.

I don't recall reading anywhere states saying they had no responsibility or accountability

If states now control when they open, wouldnt states also have had the authority to close anytime they liked?

Yep. Too bad they looked to Trump for information.

blacklabel:

please refer me to any liberal media article that acknowledges that Democratic leadership is accountable for virus transmission by telling people to come to Chinatown, take a cruise or come downtown NY and go to a movie. No leaders of liberal states were held accountable or responsible for anything.

That will be a long search.... you will not find what fits into their set narrative.

which is why your team has to keep the economy closed and those people unemployed at all costs.

Fortunately, those people will be back to work well before then. and luckily their only other choice to vote for anyway is Joe Biden (thanks Dems!)

Not one Trump supporter who lost their job would blame Trump, they rightfully blame China and the coronavirus. Even if they did, not like they would vote for Biden instead.

These unemployment levels, will hurt Trump in November. Who will the new 22 million unemployed vote for? The November election has become unpredictable.

Jsaps:

You're making one very basic mistake : sadly, "liberal" leaders aren't capable of thinking such devious and amoral plans to benefit themselves and their own elections.

And here I thought that was just about the only thing they are capable of thinking of. Ah, the joy of watching two movies on the same screen.

which is why your team has to keep the economy closed

OK.

oh NOW liberals think Trump is their President and will stop resisting everything he says? #notmypresident

Dont you remember their reaction to the China travel ban? Did they listen and comply? nope.

Yep. Too bad they looked to Trump for information.

oh NOW liberals think Trump is their President and will stop resisting everything he says? #notmypresident

Dont you remember their reaction to the China travel ban? Did they listen and comply? nope.

Youre making yet another logical fallacy. Just because someone is the president doesn’t mean we should all do what you people did and cough up our integrity and start engaging in willful ignorance.

Smooth, my fellow Democrat, real smooth.

Has Obamacare been repealed?

Yes, no public option. Also, no Medicaid expansion. It is making CV worse. People are afraid to go to the hospital.

time to get back to work

Should Trump open the economy? What does Hannity say. If Hannity can tell Trump to open the economy then Trump should do it. What is FOX news saying about opening the economy?

Well, who would have known that when we elected a failed businessman and third-rate reality TV host in 2016, that by 2020, we would have the largest turndown in the economy and highest number of unemployed since the Great Depression...

And that we would lose over 30K Amercans in three months, which is more than half the US losses in Vietnam (58K) over 8 years...

And it's not over yet...

There has never been a more disastrous Presidency in US history...

Your team entire argument now is that Trump was slow to tell the states what to do.

2 problems: Dems resist anything he says and take the exact opposite position on every single thing. This is how Dems ended up on the same side as terrorists and Iran and China and many other untenable positions.

Second, he is telling Dems what to do now, and Dems are refusing.

So the problem isnt that Trump didnt respond and tell you what to do. Its that you dont, and never will,do anything he says.

Second, he is telling Dems what to do now, and Dems are refusing.

Are Republican states opening up their economies? Which one(s)?

Fauci on TV sidestepping again.

Admitting that SARS just "disappeared" but claiming Coronavirus wont. He just said the virus came from Wuhan. Bad Fauci!

And that we would lose over 30K Amercans in three months, which is more than half the US losses in Vietnam (58K) over 8 years...

disgusting. We dont measure deaths from a virus to military deaths in a war.

Really? Who said he was a "Wartime President"? Get real, facts are facts - deaths are deaths...ignore them all you want - won't change anything...

and the temporary economic downturn and temporary unemployment was obviously caused by the virus. Disingenuous to imply otherwise.

Temporary...says you. They said that during the last Great Depression also - that lasted years.

Nothing but one huge failure after another with this Imbecile - and people die....30K so far. And just last week it was 18K. He may still pass the total number killed in Vietnam.

The Legacy of Donald Trump: Impeached, an economic Depression, and over 30K Americans dead...

Texas. Who also use hydroxychloroquine in nursing homes to save lives.

Are Republican states opening up their economies? Which one(s)?