UK's Labour Party ponders supporting new Brexit referendum

They will inherit the mess the Tori’s made, people should decide.

It’s not a new referendum that is needed but politicians able to stay the course and hammer things out with the EU!

Best 2 out of 3?

or best 3 out of 5?

A second referendum is needed , The EU will not allow the UK to collect tariffs set by the EU customs union on goods entering the country on behalf of the bloc. Goods entering from Northern Ireland to the Republican side and then the land bridge across the UK mainland onward to mainland Europe is not doable. There has to be freedom of goods, services and people to stay in the Customs Union. A hard border between Ireland and Europe would mean a complete line down the Irish Sea and the English Channel

Still, Labour faces a major political dilemma. Most of the party's half a million members voted in 2016 to remain in the EU, but many of its 257 lawmakers represent areas of the country that wanted to leave.

Labour must be weighing up the numbers. How much of the Brexit-voting segment of its base can it afford to piss off in order to attract remainers?

Labour does have a history of taking parts of its base for granted. They took for granted lower income voters who stayed at home in 2010 and let the Tories/Lib Dems in.

Best 2 out of 3?

If we hold another and the country is clearly favouring leave then there is no doubt. Leave it is.

If the result is for remain, then clearly the majority want to remain.

Before spending money on a second referendum, the British should first find out if there is any mechanism for untriggering Article 50. The answer appears to be no, and it's far from clear that other EU members would unanimously agree to waive the rules even in the event of a second referendum.

On a practical note, the EU medicines agency based in London has already signed a lease on a new building in Amsterdam and they're set to move within the next 180 days. The EU banking authority in London is moving to Frankfurt. Businesses across Europe have spent millions on consultants and lawyers to create post-Brexit business plans to take advantage of post-Brexit opportunities. We've probably crossed the Rubicon on Brexit at this point.

How can "pondering supporting . . . " be news?

Oh my...

Brexit poll finds Brits would vote 59-41 in favour of staying in the EU in second referendum:

https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit-poll-latest-news-remain-support-eu-referendum/

If they go through with this second referendum, it's bye-bye, U.K. as we know it. Or knew it.

Maybe Scotland will vote to leave the U.K. before this happens...

Monty Python 2.0

the referendum showed that the First Past the Post election system didn't take into account actual people and left entire regions disconnected from prosperity. Reversing the result just puts those left behind back behind again

If the UK was a facade not representing its citizens then a new formation that can do that isn't a bad thing. Don't cry for a system that was too limited

Don't think the EU wants brexit to be reversed tbh, that's why they've been playing hardball with May & co. They have realised that life's easier without the uk, have signed major trade deals and most ppl have already moved on. If anything brexit has united the EU.

I agree with goldorak!

Corbyn/Khan - thats the ticket!

The Frankfurter Algemeine Zeitung [FAZ], Germany's leading biz paper, today:

Labour Party

Brexit? Ja, nein, ich mein jein.. [ Yes, no, I mean ...]

British should first find out if there is any mechanism for untriggering Article 50. The answer appears to be no

Both European and British constitutional experts suggest otherwise and that it can be.

Jeremy Corbyn is an arch Brexiteer by belief. He knows it doesn't matter if the party votes for it - Labour will not be on power within the next 6 months.

Don't think the EU wants brexit to be reversed tbh,

A reversal would be every eurocrat's wet dream. This Brexit thing is far too much like hard work for them.

British should first find out if there is any mechanism for untriggering Article 50. The answer appears to be no

Both European and British constitutional experts suggest otherwise and that it can be.

Which European and British experts? Keep dreaming about nonsense :)

Which European and British experts? Keep dreaming about nonsense :)

Lord Kerr, who actually drafted article 50, says it can be. Is that expert enough for you?

The EU has been clear that that if Britain retracted article 50, it world accept the retraction.

As a political treaty as long as the retraction us accepted, it is fine. European leaders have been very clear that they would accept a retraction.

It won't be retracted, so this is all theoretical, but it's not nonsense.

The only dreaming are those fantasies about the success of Britain after Brexit

The EU has been clear that that if Britain retracted article 50, it world accept the retraction.

The EU itself would not have the power to accept any retraction. It would be up to each and every single member state agreeing unanimously to waive the rules. What does Victor Orban think? What would the new Italian government want in exchange for its consent?

Great Britain needs to take this spanking like an adult and move on. Being accepted back into EU might be even more costly.

Time to eat some humble pie. Yum Yum!

I hated brexit but it is what it is. A second vote would undermine the very essence of british democracy. You don't get a revote because you don't like the outcome. That's not what democracy is all about.

> Don't think the EU wants brexit to be reversed tbh, that's why they've been playing hardball with May & co. They have realised that life's easier without the uk, have signed major trade deals and most ppl have already moved on. If anything brexit has united the EU.

That's a good assessment. The EU can now get on with further integration and form a US of Europe. That will be good for the EU- A central taxation system and a customs union that sees ALL of the member states under one currency and one military. I personally believe that the EU's problems have been that they have gone halfway with the EU and not properly united as one country. The UK is partially to blame for that. The EU will become a single country (and that is a good thing), but can't do this with the UK half in and half out, and of course, the UK would never agree to be a part of a single state. Brexit was a blessing in disguise for the EU.

Now the way I see it, the EU and the UK have conflicting interests that can NEVER be resolved. The EU must NOT give the UK any deal and must punish it for leaving as a stark warning to the other member states .This is also in light of what is going on in the EU with Poland and Italy's political climate and Hungary's defiance of EU law.

For the UK, it needs to find new friends. The relationship with the EU has been soured beyond repair. There will be no reparing this. Time to pick up the pieces and move on.

A new union with Canada,OZ and NZ (Canzuk) is needed. Why? Well, in the case of BOTH the UK AND CANADA, they are being treated roughly by their respective Superpower neighbors (the UK through its own doing through Brexit and Canada through no fault of its own). This will most likely see a Canada without Nafta and the UK without the EU.

So why is canzuk important? Well, an unravelling of the world order in both brexit and nafta around the same time could very well see a market crash- leading to a second recession. The UK is the 5th largest economy in the world after the US, China, Japan, and Germany. A hard brexit without another option to cushion the fall of the world's 5th largest economy could spell disaster for the world economy. Yes the UK will hurt badly, but hurting the #5 economy MUST have some negative effects on the world economy.

Canzuk can remedy that. Canzuk can make for a smooth brexit with no deal, allowing the EU and the UK save face- to make a clean break with no deal, a hard brexit, with minimal damage to either side.

In addition to that, Canzuk could in the future see a raproachment between the EU and UK in the form of a trade deal between two regional blocs.

The fact is that the UK is leaving. We have no choice. There was a vote. The question is: Where does the UK go from there? For those who think Canzuk is a bad idea, just answer me this: What's a better option for the Uk?