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UK’s Labour promises radical changes if it wins Dec 12 vote

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Jeremy Corbyn......“So I accept that the opposition and hostility of the rich and powerful is inevitable,”

The billionaires and the super-rich, the tax dodgers, the bad bosses and the big polluters — they own the Conservative Party,” Corbyn added. “But they don’t own us.”

This is political dogma. Rhetorical idealistic hyperberbaly.

Labours tax increases will inevitably hit the most venerable households in society. Households/homeowners with duel incomes of £35,000-50,000 (gross ) annually and a mortgage.

For all their promises and pledges both Labour and the Conservatives will have to at some point raise taxes. It is a question of numbers and amount.

Also be aware of the Sovereign Credit Ratings, quants and risk analysts will assess UK ability to meet the additional borrowing requirements.

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“The billionaires and the super-rich, the tax dodgers, the bad bosses and the big polluters — they own the Conservative Party,” Corbyn added. “But they don’t own us.”

Damn right. Great stuff from Corbyn, I'd vote for him if my vote hadn't been stolen by Theresa May.

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Brexit is a misnomer. The question is how UK deals with and positions itself in a world of opportunity after or assuming the UK leaves the EU?.

The worry is that the current political establishment is incapable/incompetent to make its mark, and negotiate trade deals. I believe EU twenty seven will make UK an offer. However wilth strings attached.

I'd vote for him if my vote hadn't been stolen by Theresa May. A 15 year expat?

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Britain’s main opposition Labour Party promised Thursday to radically expand public spending and state ownership if it wins the Dec. 12 election, trying to close an opinion-poll gap with the governing Conservatives.

The party said a Labour government would nationalize Britain’s railways, energy utilities and postal system, cap rents, hike the minimum wage and abolish university tuition fees.

Good grief.

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hyperberbaly

Come again?

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It a lot easier for rich people to skip out of their tax obligations than the working poor.

I lived through a national rail system and the private railways have been an expensive failure.

I have lived through rent controls. The last city we lived in was London more than 25 years. The rent was 700 pound a month. The same property is now about 3000 pound a month. Spent many years involved with housing co-ops to provide affordable rented homes. London needs more rent affordable home. AirBnB has a negative effect on housing.

Important industries like energy and power need to be under government control.

Education should be free from infant to graduate. Why are adults beginning their working lives being burdened with student loans with heavy interest rates, not even zero or less than 2%.

How people work gig contracts or zero hours without any protections and benefits enjoyed by employees.

The rich got richer the working poor stayed the same or worse. Look at once great Hartlepool in the NE which once had full employment with the shipyard. Abandoned by the government for too many years.

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Sneezy, hyperberbal actually refers to nominal. (adjective). or in this case, not actual or real. I honestly wasn't trying to be clever or smart bottom.

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Yes zichi, agreed, I was fortunate enough to have parents prepared to dig into there life's savings, for my higher education some £350,000 with all of the trimmings, over a five year period. I have balanced up.

However this has taken 8 years with interest and both refused to accept the instalments. I could not look myself in the mirror if I did not pay them back. I was lucky to enter a profession that facilitated this endeavour.

So Corbyn has a point. Zero hours contracts are another issue. And the railways, in the light of climate change, could be more prudently managed within the public arena.

Jeremy Corbyn, heart and soul, both fiscal and economically are wedged in a era long forgotten in the 21st century and for good reason.

I am not going to call Corbyn a Marxist. The term does not apply outside a lecture hall. Having said that the numbers just don't add up.

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I suppose the liberal democrats are not related to the old liberal party. Any classical liberal or libertarian parties?

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Jeremy Corbyn, heart and soul, both fiscal and economically are wedged in a era long forgotten in the 21st century and for good reason

Maybe you are making the mistake of regarding Corbyn’s ideas as the same as those of the Labour Party of Attlee, Wilson and Callaghan. They are not. Corbyn is in some ways to the right of Ted Heath. Many of Corbyn’s ideas are regarded as the norm in many developed countries. They are not anachronistic.

The political paradigm has shifted so far right that any idea of returning to ideas that were accepted by the right in the past are now regarded as outdated, crazed communism. They are not.

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Zichi:

Agreed. In the states, both republicans and democrats support free and public k-12. But extending a few more grades into college? That's socialism. Facepalm...

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The party said a Labour government would nationalize Britain’s railways, energy utilities and postal system, cap rents, hike the minimum wage and abolish university tuition fees.

Good grief.

Just to take the first of these, Peter Hitchens, a rightwing tabloid writer, has endorsed the renationalisation of the rail system.

When you see clear failure, you have to be honest.

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I suppose the liberal democrats are not related to the old liberal party. Any classical liberal or libertarian parties?

The liberal party became a coalition with the social democrat party which was a short lived not very strong party and because the liberal democrat party.

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Zichi:

Agreed. In the states, both republicans and democrats support free and public k-12. But extending a few more grades into college? That's socialism. Facepalm...

I don't know what k-12 is? Helping young adults start a working life with the burden of debt isn't socialism. It's society investing in the future. People with degrees will have higher paying jobs paying more taxes. When university involves the debt burden people are deciding not to go.

I guess you don't live in the UK or Japan and don't enjoy the various so called socialist programs like universal healthcare, free education and pensions?

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Sneezy, hyperberbal actually refers to nominal. (adjective). or in this case, not actual or real. I honestly wasn't trying to be clever or smart bottom.

"Hyperberbal" isn't a word. Did you mean hyperbole?

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I don't know what k-12 is?

It means "from kindergarten to twelfth grade", so essentially publicly funded education up to the age of 17/18. Totally uncontroversial, but it stops at 17 for arbitrary reasons*

*The real reason is that is the time they become valuable to capitalism, given that we have laws against child labor these days.

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Sneezy

Hyperberbally is a term, it is more user friendly that hyperbole.

I guess it is a question of presentation and tone. also to prompt debate without discourse.

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Sneezy

thanks. UK has a different year system but yes free education up to 18 years and then pay for college/university. I have always believed that education should be free until graduation.

In my time in the 70's I was actually paid to attend college for three years.

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Corbyn is not a Communist, or Marxist, well not in the 21st century meaning of the term.

Both are a philosophy that's principles are based in capitalism global materialist interpretation of wealth.

Maybe I am mistaken. Although I am inclining to believe that Jeremy Corbyn has made one pledge and promise to many.

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The party said a Labour government would nationalize Britain’s railways, energy utilities and postal system, cap rents, hike the minimum wage and abolish university tuition fees.

Another words socialism, and where is all that money coming from - the middle class taxpayer or put on the country's debt load.

Labour’s promises would be funded by raising taxes on the wealthy, including higher corporation tax, a windfall tax on oil and gas companies and an income tax increase for those earning more than 80,000 pounds ($104,000) a year.

Taxes on the wealthy all they'll do is move their money abroad and leave the mess to the middle class taxpayer.

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This will appeal very strongly to those who are solid Labour and who will always vote Labour, unless tempted by fringe parties of the left.

The challenge might be that it will not attract enough who voted Tory at the last election, and without them, they will attract few new supporters, and may wiel lose others.

Polling at about 30% and I don't think that this will increase that number.

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Zichi:

To right wingers in the States anything that gives people anything paid through taxes is "socialism." K-12 I guess is an American expression (grades kindergarten through 12th [end of high school])

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Zichi:

I guess you didn't see my facepalm at the end. Those are not my views. Please read before you accuse. Thanks.

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Corbyn could well be a winner in a hung parliament after which he might have to trim some items from the Labour manifesto, but then he'll still have to contend with the 24/7 headwind from the UK's rabid, right wing gutter press as well as run the gauntlet of insidious conspiracies hatched by the English "deep state" which has always instinctively sought to undermine every progressive government that has attempted to dismantle the entitlements and privileges of the few and build the foundations of a fairer and more just society for the many who labor for the common weal.

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