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England to have 3-tier lockdown system amid 'tipping point'

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I’ve been talking to friends and family back in Liverpool and almost all of them have been talking about maskless morons and how the word ‘scamdemic’ is doing the rounds.

I just wish we could raise the average IQ of the country by getting rid of these morons but they infect non-morons.

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Some desperately wish to believe there is one and only one side to the story.

The UK’s envoy to the World Health Organisation (W.H.O.) has condemned mass coronavirus lockdowns, slamming the “ghastly global catastrophe” caused by crashing the world economy. Dr. David Nabarro from the W.H.O. appealed to world leaders on Saturday, telling them to stop “using lockdowns as your primary control method” of the coronavirus. “I want to say it again: We in the World Health Organisation do not advocate lockdowns as a primary means of controlling this virus,” Dr. Nabarro said

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The UK’s envoy to the World Health Organisation (W.H.O.) has condemned mass coronavirus lockdowns, slamming the “ghastly global catastrophe” caused by crashing the world economy. Dr. David Nabarro from the W.H.O. appealed to world leaders on Saturday, telling them to stop “using lockdowns as your primary control method” of the coronavirus. “I want to say it again: We in the World Health Organisation do not advocate lockdowns as a primary means of controlling this virus,” Dr. Nabarro said

Another poster here said the same thing this morning on another thread. You have remarkably similar views.

Anyway, the right wing hymn sheet previously stated that the WHO cannot be trusted as it is a puppet of China. When was the hymn sheet amended?

My own take is the horses for courses approach like temporarily shutting the pubs in certain areas is commonsensical.

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Two thirds of all hospital admissions in the most affected areas are for people with covid. Of course local lockdowns are necessary.

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JimizoToday 07:41 am JST

I’ve been talking to friends and family back in Liverpool and almost all of them have been talking about maskless morons and how the word ‘scamdemic’ is doing the rounds.

Talking to my nephew and friends in Lancashire last week, I heard the same thing. Apparently there's a clear connection between the latest hotspots in the North-West and those where people have the highest social media use and belief in conspiracy theories is the greatest.

People are very unhappy with both the catastrophic failure of the Tories and the selfish, clueless minority spoiling things for everyone else.

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Yes, but what does "The Science" say? You know, "The Science", the new god that we can all agree on and trust, what does it say?

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The number of "cases" is irrelevant if the vast majority are minor and don't require care. If you look at the actual fatality rate in the UK, it has not risen since July. This shows that the virus is actually LESS lethal than previously thought, or perhaps is mutating into a more contagious but less serious stage. In any case, lockdowns aren't the answer. They don't help.

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I just wish we could raise the average IQ of the country by getting rid of these morons but they infect non-morons.

How do you suggest of 'getting rid'? A bit of an unpleasant thing to say.

There are some people who aren't able to wear masks due to health conditions, and with comments like yours, these people would no doubt be classed as 'morons'.

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Their right to act like yobs doesn't trump others' right to safety. Same with the militias in the US. Either abide by the consensus, or face the consequences.

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I trust science more than politicians or conspiracy theorists.

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There are some people who aren't able to wear masks due to health conditions, and with comments like yours, these people would no doubt be classed as 'morons'.

My mum has health problems and wearing a mask is a problem for her. So, she wears a plastic face shield when she goes out.

Then again, she isn’t a moron

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The number of "cases" is irrelevant if the vast majority are minor 

The number of hospital admissions, along with deaths, is rising. That is not minor. The number of actual cases clearly matters here.

You do accept that the numbers of new cases, hospital admissions and deaths are rising, don’t you?

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Difficult to get things done in UK because of all the selfish chavs who think of partying 24/7. I often wonder what the scenario would be like if there were a deadly contagious disease that only affected the under 30's.

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Difficult to get things done in UK because of all the selfish chavs who think of partying 24/7. I often wonder what the scenario would be like if there were a deadly contagious disease that only affected the under 30's.

It's not just younger people ignoring the dangers, it's people driving to Durham and lying about it that just shows utter contempt for the majority who have been following lockdown and protecting themselves and others.

"Chav" is a very classist.

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But reality is that Covid is NOT a disease that affects young and/or healthy people. The vast majority of victims are either elderly or infirm or both. So why should society as a whole go into a frenzy of lockdown? The cost in depression, economic stagnation, suicide, domestic violence, entropy, etc are far higher than the benefits. And these costs are borne mostly by the poor. They can't afford to stay home and work remotely. Poor countries can't simply shut down and survive.

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Yes, but what does "The Science" say? You know, "The Science", the new god that we can all agree on and trust, what does it say?

Anti-science loser detected !!..

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Test and trace has completely failed in the UK. It was passed off to well-connected private companies who are inept. Data on positive test results for thousands of people was also lost because it was stored using Excel, a calculation program, not a database. Large government contracts for protective medical equipment have been given to tiny companies in unconnected fields. Covid-19 is very challenging for any government but I hate to see this level of corruption.

Government spokespeople got in a huff last week because journos were asking PM Johnson what some local rules were and he didn't know. They are hardly leading by example.

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"A large plastic pitcher of Sangria and we're off! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....................!!!"

Pretty hard to counter that with talk of common sense, selflessness, etc.

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Then again, she isn’t a moron

So if a person isn't wearing a mask of face shield, they are a moron in your eyes? There are some (I have friends) who aren't even able to use face shields because of mental health issues and conditions such as cleithrophobia.

Don't be quick to judge others who you deem to be morons.

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Every time I read the negative moaning comments on how life in japan sucks under our dear leader, I realize just how lucky I am to not live in Europe, UK, NZ, Aussie, USA, Israel, Canada etc.

I'm currently walking around town maskless (I 100% social distance), shopping wherever I want, eat wherever want, 30km from my home in the countryside. I came here by train and subway with no mask. I can leave my home anytime, and in the weekend enjoyed eating out and hotels with GoTo Travel.

japan grows on you slowly, like 24hr alcohol sales in combini.

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Yes, but what does "The Science" say? You know, "The Science", the new god that we can all agree on and trust, what does it say?

Using common sense and taking educated precautions is always a good way to go. However, the problem with those saying that the government should impose controls based on “the science” is that the science is imperfect and at times can be flat out wrong. That isn’t to say you should ignore the latest research or refuse to take appropriate measures to protect yourself. But don’t be surprised when a new study comes out next week that contradicts the one from the week before. And don’t be surprised that government tends to be slow to adjust policy and can be biased in its decisions.

So let’s say the government gives you bad advice based on incomplete or bad science and somehow you become infected. Is the government, politician or bureaucrat held responsible for your pain, suffering and potential death due to their mistakes? No. They are never held responsible. If they were you might have more people willing to cooperate. You would likely have more sensible policy. But since they are not - you are better off taking responsibility for yourself and not putting yourself, friends, loves ones and neighbors in a compromising situation. Sure you could be punished by the government for acting on your own - that’s a risk to be weighed as well.

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England aside, scientists voice concern, criticism as coronavirus resurges in multiple countries.

Doubtlessly, there is a resurgence of the virus. The 7-day moving averages indicate that 350,000 people have been tested positive daily, and 7,000 people die everyday.

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The picture says it all. No mask. Cheers!

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Regarding the Nabarro quote above "We in the World Health Organisation do not advocate lockdowns as a primary means of controlling this virus"

He also said this:

"The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganize, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it."

According to many, Liverpool right now meets that justification.

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Spoke to my sis in Coventry last night and everyone's geting ready for another lockdown.Was saying it's quite scary with no roadmap in sight.Makes the Map of Reality so much clearer in context.

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Is the government, politician or bureaucrat held responsible for your pain, suffering and potential death due to their mistakes? No. They are never held responsible. If they were you might have more people willing to cooperate. You would likely have more sensible policy. 

You likely wouldn’t have people in government. The policy behind sovereign immunity is to allow for governments to function without the threats of mistakes leading to criminal or civil liability for those in government. Sovereign immunity can be negated in extreme cases of the governmental official blatantly disregarding the law and/or experts that results in harm to the people.

Sovereign immunity is similar to the Business Judgment Rule.

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