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They both look the same.

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Even if the British do not withdrawal their invitation, Trump will not go. He knows the protests will be among the largest ever seen, that the protesters will greet him "with fire and fury like the world has never seen," and will get global attention on CNN International. His ego can't take such a massive rejection.

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After Trump’s recent insults against Britain, a state visit is no longer tenable

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Labour Party lawmaker Kevin Brennan said the 91-year-old queen has a busy year coming up with the anticipated birth of a new great-grandchild and the wedding of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle in May.

I thought the Queen's duties came before her personal life. Maybe it's just a royal thing...... let them eat cake!

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He can't come, no one wants him here. People would take annual leave to join the protests, you would hear the boos from space.

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Trump has already said he won't go until he's guaranteed a warm welcome. Which will be never, so he won't be going.

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Trump will not go. He knows the protests will be among the largest ever seen, t

Disagree. I think 'the protests will be among the largest ever seen' will be reason for him TO go. He loves attaching his brand name to a superlative. Largest, biggest, most childish.

He's a marketing meister who knows there's no such thing as bad publicity when trying to sell brand Trump, now rivaling Coke, Nike and Toyota for being the world's best recognized.

Plus he'll turn things around, twist reality (and will be supported by his media in the US and 'abroad') and say those who attended were pro-Trump.

Going to the UK would be a goldmine for him and his brand with publicity paid for by the US and UK taxpayers.

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Trump initially responded to May’s criticism of his retweeting of inflammatory anti-Muslim videos from a fringe British political group by directing his message to the wrong Theresa May on Twitter

I couldn't make up stuff like this if I tried. LOL Anyway there's no doubt any welcome in the UK is going to be "warm" and I sort of feel sorry for the Queen to be put in this position.

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The 'wrong' Theresa May has rightly said the white house (aka Trump) should apologize, which they've completely ignored.

Which isn't surprising really. Trump is a pro at making mistakes in the target of his attacks.

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Trump initially responded to May’s criticism of his retweeting of inflammatory anti-Muslim videos from a fringe British political group by directing his message to the wrong Theresa May on Twitter

Proof, if any be needed, that there's no secret strategy, no hidden genius, no 5D chess going on behind the stupid comb-over, the stupid bloated orange face, the ego and the loud mouth. He really is just a moron with a knack for conning other morons.

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He's not welcome in Britain anyway and this latest blunder (possibly the most insensitive yet) will only add to the discontent over this thuggish president.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/30/the-guardian-view-on-donald-trump-bullies-never-respect-sycophants

The Queen will weather the storm. I'm guessing she's got more on her plate than a petty racist.

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Calls to cancel Trump visit to UK put queen in tough spot

Unless these calls are being made by the usual suspects who infest the internet whining about everything Trump does, or doesn't do.

I seriously doubt that the Queen of England, or PM May, would rescind a state invitation to the head of another nation and trading partner. It's amazing how much time people have to spare in order to promote rumors. And who started this rumor? The Russians? The Chinese? The Democrat Party? The Welsh Corgis?

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They should keep the state visit. Trump is just a temporary occupier of The White House. Hold your nose and get it over with and think about the future.

Option 2 would be to make Trump realize he will get booed out of the place and have him cancel it himself. He doesn't like to be around people who are mean to him.

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Trump will see a real huge crowd in the UK, not the one he imagined at his inauguration.

It’s a tough one. No British PM can take the damage done by getting too close to this terrible specimen, but can’t afford to flush him down the pan.

Perhaps it’s a case of treating it like an elderly relative visiting for Christmas and putting up with tirades of filth and his irritable bowel syndrome.

He could spend time with Phillip rather than Elizabeth. They’d have a blast.

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It is perfectly in accordance with protocol that Prime Minster Theresa May extended an invitation for a state visit to a newly elected President of the United States of America.

Regardless of judgements made by Britain's media and political chattering classes into the merits of the incumbent noticeable lack social graces, political/diplomatic experience, his sledgehammer use of social media and muddled American first policies.

It is impossible to challenge, change, and influence when slamming the door shut in a angry fit of pique and pompous moral superiority.

 If the British public want to march up and down Whitehall waving banners, and screaming obscenities, a common traditional method of democratic protest for the UK numerous groups of activists at least President Trump will have the opportunity to experience firsthand UK sometime belligerent political culture of protest.

As always HM Queen Elizabeth will take it all in her stride. And hopefully Prince Philip can introduce the President to his rather unique brand of sledgehammer wit.........I can't wait

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If the British public want to march up and down Whitehall waving banners, and screaming obscenities, a common traditional method of democratic protest for the UK numerous groups of activists at least President Trump will have the opportunity to experience firsthand UK sometime belligerent political culture of protest.

All of which makes British politics a lot more inspirational than the American version. Protestors aren't demonised as much as they are in the US.

He will get the short shrift he deserves. If he actually goes there. It's reported that he doesn't want to go unless he's assured of a warm welcome.

He could be waiting a long time.

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 If the British public want to march up and down Whitehall waving banners, and screaming obscenities, a common traditional method of democratic protest for the UK numerous groups of activists at least President Trump will have the opportunity to experience firsthand UK sometime belligerent political culture of protest.

And a fine tradition it is. I hope all Brits, or anyone else for that matter, raised a glsss last month to commemorate the heroes of the Peasants' Revolt. I certainly wouldn't put anti-Trump protesters on the same level as those immortals, but I'm sure the likes of Wat Tyler and John Ball would approve.

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I find it interesting how everyone likes to project their own socially liberal values onto the Queen. As with all women of her generation, the reality is probably quite different. I wouldn't be surprised if she is more conservative than Trump on a huge number of social issues. Thankfully she has the good sense to keep her mouth shut.

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President trump will need to grow, politically, a thicker layer of skin.

GB Jeremy Corbyn led left wing opposition along with hardcore Momentum grass roots political activists will make sure President Trump is never out of earshot of a obscenity or two.

It like a red rag to a bull. Every student with a political axe to grind will be on hand to assist.

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M3M3M3Today  10:05 am JST

I find it interesting how everyone likes to project their own socially liberal values onto the Queen. As with all women of her generation, the reality is probably quite different. I wouldn't be surprised if she is more conservative than Trump on a huge number of social issues.

Yes, she probably doesn't approve of fathers talking about wanting to date their own daughters, for instance.

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While no date has yet been set for the visit, both governments say the state visit is still on.

On the assumption that the current Conservative government forthcoming campaign in the general election next October, or even as early as June persuades the British voting public to maintain the politcal status quo......

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Yeah those potential protests against Trump if he visits really gonna help solve that problem with radical Islamists in UK. Seems you would have more important things to be concerned with.

But thats the business of the people who live there or are from there, not my concern. Like Trump said 'we are doing fine'.

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Yeah those potential protests against Trump if he visits really gonna help solve that problem with radical Islamists in UK. Seems you would have more important things to be concerned with.

Yeah. terrorism in the UK kills fewer Brits every year than guns in the US per capita. I'd take your own advice and move along.

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terrorism in the UK kills fewer Brits every year than guns in the US per capita

Yes Im sure that statistic is of huge comfort to the families of the victims of Islamic terrorists.

Bottom line, Trump will visit when and if he feels like it under his terms.

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Yes Im sure that statistic is of huge comfort to the families of the victims of Islamic terrorists.

Yawn, get back to me when Repubs get tough on actual crime, not their run of the mill bigotry. ;)

Trump will visit when and if he feels like it under his terms.

Not if Donny is uninvited. ;)

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Yeah like the PM of the UK who has even lower approval rating than Trump does would actually uninvite him?

Oh so all those people killed were actually killed by 'bigotry' and lack of US crime policy not radical Muslims? I see.

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Yeah like the PM of the UK who has even lower approval rating than Trump does would actually uninvite him?

Irrelevant point is irrelevant. 3 million people signed a petition demanding Trump not be allowed in Britain. I'd be willing to bet Trump is far more unpopular in the UK than even May.

Oh so all those people killed were actually killed by 'bigotry' and lack of US crime policy not radical Muslims? I see.

Missed the point, I see. No surprise.

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BlacklabelToday  11:10 am JST

Bottom line, Trump will visit when and if he feels like it under his terms.

In other words he won't because crowds in London can't be stage managed like the rednecks and hillybillies at those rallies he loves holding. Remember all the fuss about the low turnout at the inauguration? Think he's got the guts to face up to another PR disaster like that? Any leader who has really got what it takes to face up to criticism would visit any time and under any terms, protesters or no protesters.

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He can't come, no one wants him here. People would take annual leave to join the protests, you would hear the boos from space.

You sure about that? Reckon brexiteers and DT actually have a lot in common. There's a substantial number of Brits (general public and politicians) who seem to support the us no matter what (Blair/Bush & wmd).

It's probably why others will feel the need to take the streets & protest DT's visit to Britain.

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He has his own work to do in his own country. If you so much dont want his help, then no need for him to go just to give a few people satisfaction that they protested him.

You can simply deal with (or ignore) your own problems with your own leaders you have. But I thought people from there said your current leader is the worst one in post war history? So seems you would accept some help with your Islamic radical problem. Seems the Muslim mayor would be able to do something as well in his own community. But hey, not for me to say so Im out of it.

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There's a substantial number of Brits (general public and politicians) who seem to support the us no matter what (Blair/Bush & wmd).

There are also cases in history of the UK not acting like a lapdog. Harold Wilson wouldn’t send UK forces to the disaster in Vietnam.

Blsir’s reputation was destroyed by the Iraq disgrace and 2005 was the only time I, and some others I know, didn’t vote Labour. London also saw one of the largest protest marches in history against the Iraq War.

We have played the lapdog too many times, but there is precedent for not doing this.

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You can simply deal with (or ignore) your own problems with your own leaders you have. But I thought people from there said your current leader is the worst one in post war history? So seems you would accept some help with your Islamic radical problem

Not from the worst US president in postwar history. Trump doesn't know his arse from his elbow. You may as well seek advice from 10 Downing Street's cat.

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There's a substantial number of Brits (general public and politicians) who seem to support the us no matter what (Blair/Bush & wmd).

Canada used to support the US in all of their conflicts as well. If I recall correctly, the illegal invasion of Iraq was the first time Canada ever refused to support the US in one of their conflicts.

Canada - like America, but better.

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@jimizo, I wasn't being disrespectful towards 'the Brits', just wanted to point out that 'no one wants him here' was a tad exaggerated/optimistic.

Trump is a particularly polarising figure in the anglo world as more ppl fully get what he says/who he is, which imo explains why he would probably draw bigger crowds (against him) in London, Toronto or Melbourne than say Paris or Rome.

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BlacklabelToday  12:11 pm JST

He has his own work to do in his own country.

Right, golf doesn't just play itself.

If you so much dont want his help,

No, we don't.

...then no need for him to go...

None whatsoever. There is no need to lay on a full state visit for him either. Theresa May and the Conservatives only arranged all that because they're craven sycophants to Republican Presidents.

...just to give a few people satisfaction that they protested him.

You really think it will be "just a few"? Even more reason for him to accept the invitation without any delay, isn't it? "Just a few" protesters shouldn't discourage anyone, even someone with such a terribly fragile ego.

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Bottom line, Trump will visit when and if he feels like it under his terms.

Bwaa haaa haaa haaa

Imperialism at its finest. Trump doesn't like bad press and the British public don't do the whole waving flags for the US thing like we've seen in Asia recently. Oh and don't forget; this isn't the first time May has called him out.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/15/donald-trump-blames-london-train-explosion-on-loser-terrorists

https://www.ft.com/content/4967d436-40b6-11e7-9d56-25f963e998b2

Things must be bad when I'm siding with the tories over this.

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@jimizo, I wasn't being disrespectful towards 'the Brits', just wanted to point out that 'no one wants him here' was a tad exaggerated/optimistic.

No offence taken and I fully agree. There are those in the UK who like his style although I'd say the majority see him as a vulgar clown, trashy, bigoted, ignorant and downright dangerous. If the leader of the Conservative Party is trying to distance herself, you can safely assume those to the left of the Tories wouldn't touch him with a clownstick.

I just try to take some solace in the fact that the UK hasn't always done the bidding of its master. The last time there was a rightist ignoramus as US president, he dragged us into a filthy bloodbath and Bush would still be preferable to this disgraceful moron.

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you can safely assume those to the left of the Tories wouldn't touch him with a clownstick.

You'd be surprised. There are many on the left who see Trump as the better alternative to HRC. And many who voted in favour of Brexit, too. Although the former are probably wondering if they were wrong about Trump.

The left (like the right) is a myriad of differing views, as most are (or should be) aware. It's not all black and white as some might like to paint it.

And there's plenty on the right and centre right who view Trump as a impediment to their goals, as well.

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But I thought people from there said your current leader is the worst one in post war history?

They said that about Cameron, Brown, Blair, Major, Thatcher, Callaghan...

Depends on what side of the fence you find yourself.

Blair (Labour) was certainly the most reviled after Thatcher (Conservative).

The former for his slavish following of Bush (and presiding over 5 wars - read John Kampfner's excellent book on this) and the latter for destroying working class communities and unions and not to forget the tragic hunger strikes in the Maze.

"Ding Dong, the Witch Is Dead" became a top ten hit following her death. Except the BBC chickened out of playing it. Heh and people think they're left wing...

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He can't come, no one wants him here. People would take annual leave to join the protests, you would hear the boos from space.

They also said he could never win the election and the stock market would crash if he won. I am sure he will be just fine in the U.K. and will be welcomed with open arms.

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Trump will visit many locations where the locals make quite clear that he's abhorred as he takes that as a badge of honor. GB is not one of those places - probably mommy issues. The question is what excuse he'll make not to visit.

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But I thought people from there said your current leader is the worst one in post war history?

They said that about Cameron, Brown, Blair, Major, Thatcher, Callaghan...

Depends on what side of the fence you find yourself.

To a point. I think there is some merit in rankings based on things like electoral success, ability to push through an agenda and ability to manage a party. I thought Thatcher was a monstrosity but she did win 3 elections, pushed through an agenda but eventually she couldn't control the cannibals in the party. Blair was superb at the ballot box, united the party but did very little in the way of meaningful change apart from the Good Friday Agreement and the disgrace in Iraq.

May blew a massive lead in the polls with the worst campaign in living memory and her cannibals are already sharpening the knives.

As hated as Blair and Thatcher are, it's hard to call them incompetent. Blacklabel seems to think Trump having higher poll ratings than May is a cause for celebration. One difference is May was never in a position to say she could shoot people in Piccadilly Circus and still retain support.

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I am sure he will be just fine in the U.K. and will be welcomed with open arms.

I'm sure he'll be fine, but I don't think he'll be welcomed with open arms. The vast majority of Brits on all sides think he's an incompetent imbecile, I predict some rather comical protests mixed in amongst the more serious ones. Maybe the US State Department can take a leaf out of Xi's visit last year, when they shipped in boxes of flags & banners for stooges to wave.

For purely comical reasons, I believe he should be invited. Red carpets, horse drawn carriages, tea at the palace, all the bells and whistles. Maybe even a bit of Wales or Northumberland. A chance like this for comedy gold rarely comes along. We can also give him the tour of some our famous inner city no-go zones and blustery golf courses whilst the adults do some work in the background.

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I'd pay to see him interviewed by Stewart Lee. Or even Graham Norton. Forget your fawning Paxmans et al...

He'll be fine if he ever does go but he won't be welcomed. For sure, the establishment will go through the motions but the people (that's the ordinary people who matter more than Whitehall mandarins and royalty) are wise to people like him.

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Canada used to support the US in all of their conflicts as well.

They did?? News to me.

If I recall correctly, the illegal invasion of Iraq was the first time Canada ever refused to support the US in one of their conflicts.

They didn’t have to deal with Saddam, we did. No one misses the butcher of Baghdad.

Canada - like America, but better

They do make better Poutine!!!

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They did?? News to me.

I’m sure it is. Nevertheless it’s true - find a conflict that the US was a part of before Iraq where Canada did not support the US.

They didn’t have to deal with Saddam, we did.

Yeah, because Canada refuses to follow you in that folly.

They do make better Poutine

According to a famous American comedian, Canada is like America with 20% less douchebags.

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The Queen is probably thinking with distaste, 'Not another one!'

Well, she did host Nicolae Ceaușescu, the old Romanian leader who was later torn to pieces by his own people, and he was given an honorary knighthood.

Well we all know what she could do with the sword if Trump ends up for an honorary knighthood.

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Bottom line, Trump will visit when and if he feels like it under his terms.

Unless he's uninvited.

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http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/01/europe/damian-green-computer-pornography-intl/index.html

seems problem was Trump just posted the wrong type of videos.

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 Reckon brexiteers and DT actually have a lot in common.

Not really. I have Brexit lovers in my family who loathe Trump and are appalled by his tone deaf behaviour.

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seems problem was Trump just posted the wrong type of videos.

Perhaps he was watching the porn film Trump tweeted about. Oh, it doesn't exist.

Never mind. Anyway, I'd say the apparently legal porn he was looking at isn't as bad as dodgy videos from far right trash.

As for your point on May learning from Trump about dealing with the problems of Islamist terrorism, I was imagining a conversation:

May: What would you do about this problem?

Trump: Well, I wanted to ban all Muslims. Then I rolled it back to banning Muslims from 7 countries but a judge wiped his backside with it. Then I rolled it back to 6 and another judge wiped his backside with that. Then I tweeted trash and stupid s### about them. Following that, I posted dodgy videos from a far right trash group. After that, you said bad things about me and I sent a nasty response to the wrong Theresa May.

May: Cheers, Don. Food for thought.

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Ah the the great grab’em in chief strengthening relationships with allies! At least he didn’t move the bust of Churchill.

Anyway, your call UK . We won’t take offense

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But we shall see, it’s not up to the haters, it’s up to the unbiased historians that will judge accordingly

Do you mean like your unbiased historians who judged the Bush presidency as a success despite the Iraq catastrophe and the economy flying off a cliff?

Can you finally post links to these historians?

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In your opinion, mon ami.

He's really strained the relationship between your country and the UK. This will take some repairing.

In my opinion, May wasn't tough enough. She should have rescinded the invitation. Or sent a fleet of ships over Stateside, as a show of stength.

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I’m sure it is. Nevertheless it’s true - find a conflict that the US was a part of before Iraq where Canada did not support the US.

Ok and? So what?

Yeah, because Canada refuses to follow you in that folly

Do they even have a military? Or do they ever use it?

According to a famous American comedian, Canada is like America with 20% less douchebags

Now I know why SNL is so, so horrible.

Not really. I have Brexit lovers in my family who loathe Trump and are appalled by his tone deaf behaviour.

I have a few liberal Friends in the UK that actually love Trump. I guess it goes both ways, gosh this world is so interesting

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So funny to hear the usual far-left liberals here on JT pretend to speak for the entire UK.

Facts are, Trump would be more than welcome by the masses, just not the London media and their PC obsessed/cowed followers.

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Facts are, Trump would be more than welcome by the masses, just not the London media and their PC obsessed/cowed followers.

Very true, I met tons of people here in Fukuoka from local and abroad wearing m MAGA hat and most said he’s something America needs, but I met a small few that gave me dirty looks, but overall Trump is more popular than a lot of libs want him to be.

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I traveled around the South recently and was shocked at the number of people who said they regret voting for Trump.

Who's next?

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According to Pew, the image of the US has taken a downturn in the UK since Trump took power. It’s not as dramatic as the downturns in countries like Canada, but it’s still pretty damning. Interestingly, the image of the US in Russia has seen an upturn since Trump took power. They seem to be unusual in having their fancies tickled, or perhaps grabbed, by Trump.

Nigel Farage, the former leader of UKIP and one of the major players in Brexit, criticised Trump for tweeting dodgy videos from a group too toxic even for Farage.

The leader of the Conservative Party and the former leader of a Party right of the Tories have distanced themselves from Trump’s latest Twitter dump. That takes some doing.

Just an instinct, but I don’t think Trump has a large number of people in the UK who would turn up to greet him in red baseball caps, If the right are distancing themselves, the centre and the left are hardly likely to be more appreciative.

Who else? Boris Johnson might turn up.

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clamenzaToday  10:10 pm JST

So funny to hear the usual far-left liberals here on JT pretend to speak for the entire UK.

Facts are, Trump would be more than welcome by the masses...

So where did you come across this particular "fact"?

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I traveled around the South recently and was shocked at the number of people who said they regret voting for Trump.

Atlanta is not really what I would call a serious rock bed of conservatism. At any rate, Trump support overall in most Red States in his base seems solid. Kudos.

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Strangerland - I’m sure it is. Nevertheless it’s true - find a conflict that the US was a part of before Iraq where Canada did not support the US.

Canada follows the UK into battle(s).

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Canada follows the UK into battle(s).

They did until Iraq.

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clamenzaToday  10:10 pm JST

So funny to hear the usual far-left liberals...

What's a "far-left liberal," by the way? I thought the whole ethos behind being liberal was being flexible and open-minded about different views. For instance, I have no problem with a conservative saying something that isn't broken shouldn't be fixed, as long as it really isn't broken. Are there "far-right liberals" too?

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Simon Foster - that may have been true 20, even 15 years ago. Liberals now are a post-Marxist mess of intolerance and hate

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It was reported in Australian media yesterday that the U.S is opening a new embassy in London in January next year. It was suggested that instead of a full-on state visit, Trump will attend the opening of that embassy, perhaps meet the Queen and senior government officials and leave. This will avoid a lot of the public appearances and perhaps a speech or two he would be expected to make under a state visit.

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@Clamenza

So, are you going to back up your 'fact' that Trump will be more than welcomed by the masses? What 'masses' are you talking about?

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Jimizo - one only needs to look at the polls in the UK to know the truth.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36346886/uk-attitudes-towards-islam-concerning-after-survey-of-2000-people

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@Clamenza

Yes, many in the UK are concerned about radical Islamism. What does that have to do with welcoming Trump? I'm concerned about radical Islamism but seeing some idiot retweet dodgy videos from the trash right is pathetic and mindless. It seems the leaders and former leaders of the political right in the UK see this as the rancid trash it is.

I'll ask again. Where are you getting this 'fact' about Trump being welcomed by the masses from? Please tell us about the 'masses' who like Trump this time.

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@Clamenza

Right, so absolutely nothing to back up your ‘fact’ Trump would be welcomed by the masses in the UK.

There is problem in the UK. There are idiots who scream ‘phobe/bigot/racist’ if you just want to talk honestly about this issue - the regressive left. Very unhelpful people.

There are also true bigots like Britain First - a real cesspit which was virtually unknown until the President of the US retweeted their dodgy videos. These people are also very unhelpful along with imbecilic world leaders.

Both extremes are very unhelpful. The regressive left alienate people who like the truth and the trash right alienate those with decency.

Somewhere sensible is where we need to be.

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in the UK....

...Trump is not welcome because...

Who wouldn't take Kate's picture and make lots of money if she does the nude sunbathing thing. Come on Kate!

(Trump tweet)

Trump also talked about "nailing" Princess after she died.

No wonder why the Queen hates her. I would not want that orange creep around me or in my country if he said stuff like that around my family. Trump is not a decent person. He even wants to nail Ivanka.

But Trump followers follow Trump no matter what. They directly attribute the rise in US's GDP to Trump. The Jesus freaks even like Trump. I can't believe it. But Jesus freaks literally believe in zombies that can fly (Jesus's resurrection)

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Jimizo - every time you feel like asking me to back up my claim, go back and read my post at 10:59am. That’ll clear things up

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@clamenza, I would't be too quick to confuse British 'distrust of Islam' with 'support for Trump'. Whilst a great many Brits may broadly share his views on restricting immigration for Muslims, I think that doesn't translate into support for him. UK voters aren't as polarized as American ones (yet), so they are less likely to excuse his shabby behaviour and they can see him for what he really is; a charlatan of low mental calibre. All the polls I've seen reflect that, here's a related one from November.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/most-brits-believe-donald-trumps-election-was-bad-for-america-poll-shows-a3684001.html

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back up my claim

I just backed up my claim that Trump is a nasty man that no one really wants around. Is a nasty man really going to make America great again? No one wants to be around him or work with him.

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Jimizo - every time you feel like asking me to back up my claim, go back and read my post at 10:59am. That’ll clear things up

I read it.

I’m asking where you are getting the fact that the masses would greet Trump on a visit to the UK. You’ve provided nothing. Having a negative view of Islam does not put you in the camp of fringe groups like Britain First, the EDL, the BNP or garbage like the President of the US. You can’t seem to get your head around this simple idea.

Aside from the Islamist issue, his p___y-grabbing comments turned decent people off. It was disgusting trash.

Don’t think in such a narrow way in nailing this down to radical Islamism. I could spend all night outlining the many reasons why this disgusting specimen is reviled and has damaged the image of his fine country.

I think I mentioned that the image of the US improved in Russia under Trump.

Why do you think that is?

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I think I mentioned that the image of the US improved in Russia under Trump. 

Why do you think that is?

Thats simple. Russians have always admired leaders who are strong, not spineless PC-driven cucks.

and again, refer yourself to my original post regarding Trump's support in the UK

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again, refer yourself to my original post regarding Trump's support in the UK

Your original post says simply, *Facts are**, Trump would be more than welcome by the masses, just not the London media and their PC obsessed/cowed followers.*

You do not back up your 'facts'. Your link to a report on a very small poll and an article describing how responsible British Muslims are trying to show that "There doesn't need to be a clash between your religious values and the values of your country" says absolutely nothing about any 'facts' regarding anyone having any support for Trump; his name isn't even mentioned.. The man (and I use the word with strong reservations) is seen in the UK as a boorish moron. He has no support he can count on to make any visit, state or otherwise, a success. If he went, he would probably be mooned by crowds of thousands if not tens of thousands. Biggest mooning crowds ever. No one has biglier protests.

Here is how Trumpo is viewed in the UK:

Trump’s Tweets Manage a Rare Feat: Uniting Britain, in Outrage - The New York Times

*One member of Parliament called him a “fascist.” Another described him as “stupid.” A third wondered aloud whether President Trump was “racist, incompetent or unthinking — or all three.”*

*Peter Bone, called on Mrs. May to persuade Mr. Trump to delete his Twitter account.....Paul Masterton, lamented, “Just because somebody stops using Twitter, it does not mean that they cease to be a twit.”*

*Mr. Trump should be arrested for incitement to racial hatred if he set foot in Britain.*

*More than 1.8 million people signed a petition against a visit*

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Cleo -As I’ve pointed out, there is probably not a more biased, out of touch media in the world than the Londoncentric British media. They are nothing more than state-controlled.

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Heh, then to cover up my pointing out how silly he looked, he tried to re-define words in the English language.

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I posted facts

I posted Trump's insulting Tweet that shows why he is hated in the UK.

I can’t prove it

I did. I proved that Trump is a crude insane old orange nasty man. He has to go.

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Donald Trump's son are pretty stupid. But they have to be loyal to their dad or they will cut them off from his inheritance. I understand. Here is one of the Trump son's Tweets about Pocahontas:

The irony of an ABC reporter (whose parent company Disney has profited nearly half a billion dollars on the movie “Pocahontas”) inferring that the name is “offensive” is truly staggering to me.

And here is a good response:

the movie is about the real Pocahontas u stupid ass. ur dad is taking the name and using it as a slur. racist what part of that do u not get? just how dumb are you?

Trump's sons are stupid, but also smart enough to know that their crazy dad will ink them out of his will the moment he senses they are not kissing his butt.

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Thats simple. Russians have always admired leaders who are strong, not spineless PC-driven cucks.

Trump could have worn a gimp mask when he spoke in Saudi Arabia. He said he was going to label China a currency manipulator but turned into a jelly with Xi, a man who knows about politics and stuff like that. As for Putin, he could make Trump get down on all fours and have him make squealing noises just for the fun of it. I think that's why Russians like Trump.

Oh, Trump did get into a trash-talking duel with Kim. Man of steel, eh?

As for the biased, London-centric British media, let's skip them. Is there any source at all which gives the idea that the 'masses' in the UK would welcome Trump? Anything will do. Even trash right sources which use expressions like 'cuck'.

Anything is better than nothing.

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there is probably not a more biased, out of touch media in the world than the Londoncentric British media. They are nothing more than state-controlled

Then why did you cite them to back up your claim that Trump 'would be welcomed by the masses' in the UK? (Leaving aside the fact that your link did nothing of the kind)

Come on, just one non-biaised, in-touch link proving that Brits have any warm and fizzy feelings towards Trump.

I cited the New York Times (which apparently didn't format properly. Thanks JT), which while it might not be as 'fair and totally unbalanced towards the looney right' as some US papers is not, to the best of my knowledge, a member of the 'Londoncentric British media'.

Here it is again, let's hope it's clickable this time:

Trump’s Tweets Manage a Rare Feat: Uniting Britain, in Outrage - The New York Times

Even Fox News owns up that Trump is hated by 'a sizeable majority' in the UK planning the 'biggest protest in British history' if he should visit:

Steve Hilton: Trump should cancel state visit, give UK a 'big, beautiful' trade deal | Fox News

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Nope, they don't format. (what am I doing wrong, JT??)

Maybe these will work:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/world/europe/trump-tweets-uk-visit.html

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/12/01/steve-hilton-why-britain-shouldnt-have-freaked-out-about-trumps-tweets.html

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clamenzaToday  09:17 am JST

and again, refer yourself to my original post regarding Trump's support in the UK

What, the one in which you cite the BBC poll that has nothing at all to do with Donald Trump?

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clamenzaToday  10:13 am JST

Cleo -As I’ve pointed out, there is probably not a more biased, out of touch media in the world than the Londoncentric British media. They are nothing more than state-controlled.

Just out of interest, can you actually name a "Londoncentric" state-controlled British media outlet? Other than the BBC which IS literally state controlled?

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Brits are well aware of the extremist issues within our country, from both islamists and the far right. The issue with Trump here is by sharing the videos he did, the 'most powerful' world leader has just legitimized a far right group in a foreign country and it has nothing to do with him. So, no Trump will not be welcomed by the majority of the public and he will be made fully aware of it.

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