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UK government loses Brexit case; must consult Parliament

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"It ain't easy"!

Lots of songs containing those words .... it's up to you to pick the one that fits most.

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How tightly drawn this bill is presented to parliament could determine the difficulty MP's and significantly, in the Lords, to add amendments that could hold uo the passage of the legislature. I would not be surprised of the UK government miss the end of march deadline.

Ultimately without significant numbers in the commons prepared to vote against, Article 50 will eventually be triggered.

For those unfamiliar with the amendment process .... An overview

Consideration of amendments...

http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/laws/passage-bill/lords/lrds-consideration-of-amendments/

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Britain’s government warned lawmakers not to try to “thwart the will of the people”

The will of a narrow majority blatantly lied to by power-hungry charlatans who promptly exited stage left when their protest-vote-cum-Tory-power-struggle became hugely divisive nightmare reality.

How many tens of billions will Brexit cost, and how will the National Health Service survive it?

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The will of a narrow majority blatantly lied to by power-hungry charlatans.

This is always the response from the side that loses an election. Belittle the people who voted against them and preach doom and gloom. It just reinforces the fact of how little respect a large number of people have for the democratic process.

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What Teresa May does not see, or if she does she refuses to acknowledge, is that the Brexit vote instigated by the fat man who was mayor of London on a whim commensurate with his quixotic behavior and off the cuff remarks denoting an unstable personality disorder; will bring about her own downfall. The consequence of her obdurate attitude, of proceeding with this hasty and ill advised referendum, is that Northern Ireland will secede and join the South or go it alone. So also will Scotland for sure, who has been looking for an excuse to break away from England. Even the Welsh may start agitating. With a balance in its favor of about 300 million euros through its EU membership. Mrs May needs to think long and hard. Her posturing denotes someone who, having made an ill considered utterances -in order to become conservative leader and thereby prime minister, is becoming obstinate rather than reasonable. Her clinging to the disastrous decision to exit the EU, brings to mind Anthony Eden's collusion with France and Israel to attack Egypt and the Suez canal in 1956. A fiasco that brought about his fall and together with the, till then British empire of the time, their mutual demise.

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Sense and CrazyJoe- Excellent posts!

The consequence of her obdurate attitude, of proceeding with this hasty and ill advised referendum, is that Northern Ireland will secede and join the South or go it alone. So also will Scotland for sure, who has been looking for an excuse to break away from England. Even the Welsh may start agitating.

Very very true.

Her clinging to the disastrous decision to exit the EU, brings to mind Anthony Eden's collusion with France and Israel to attack Egypt and the Suez canal in 1956. A fiasco that brought about his fall and together with the, till then British empire of the time, their mutual demise.

EXCELLENT insight

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This is a provocative and at the same time innovative legal challenge.......

Irish court case on whether Brexit can be reversed to start this month......

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-article-idUKKBN14W32Z

I think that Brexit consequences in respect to power sharing and the peace process in Northern Ireland will determine the future relationship at least politically with the South...

http://www.irishnews.com/opinion/letterstotheeditor/2017/01/17/news/brexit-is-reason-for-bringing-down-power-sharing-887722/

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Belittle the people

with

cynical claims - unchanged even when admitted to be false - on the Brexit battle bus

"people in this country have had enough of experts" - Michael Gove

and

"Enemies of the People" - Daily Mail about High Court judges

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Not the news I was hoping to hear. Regardless of a person's views on Brexit, any delay is going to hurt us more than help us. The quicker we get this over with, the quicker we can recover from it. Like ripping off a band aid really. Dragging it out isn't good.

I considered challenging a few points brought up in the comments, but these are points I've already argued dozens of times last year. Repetition gives me migraine, so I'll pass this time.

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Regardless of a person's views on Brexit, any delay is going to hurt us more than help us.

Poppycock! Is the UK population, already subject to vicious government austerity and zero hours contracts, really best served by tearing up the European Convention on Human Rights?

Brexit was, and remains, totally unplanned for. People whose hearts aren't for it, are in charge of its implementation, while its main proponents have largely scarpered.

I considered challenging a few points brought up in the comments

but couldn't be arsed? Thanks a (sixty-four) million!

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It is definitely difficult for outsiders like us to opine and comment on the fate of another country without being there to actually experience it. It is also easy to opine on their situation,circumstances, and condition based upon out own set of experiences, knowledge and values.

In any case, I can only wish, hope and pray that their system of government works and gets the best results for their citizens without the influence of those who do not have their best interest at heart.

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It is definitely difficult for outsiders like us to opine and comment on the fate of another country without being there to actually experience it. It is also easy to opine on their situation,circumstances, and condition based upon out own set of experiences, knowledge and values.

Good comment Kaze. I am British and I was living in the UK during the time of the vote, so I can comment on this. Just my opinion of course but this argument is not about the 52% who voted Leave nor the 48% who voted Remain. This is about the democratic law of the land that has been honed over centuries. And what these silly politicians (Farage, Cameron, Johnson, Osborne, May) want us to forget is that the law states that any vote on Brexit can only be recognised through Parliament. They should never have advertised this vote without announcing that legal fact to the voting public.

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Well, it is a Parliamentary government after all

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If the plebs had voted the way they were told, there'd be no need to get parliament involved. Get the irony?

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Can the madness of Brexit be stopped?

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So maybe the voices of the people may be ignored after all. Not really a surprise. But thats OK the Gov will do whats best regardless of what the people wanted, I'm sure. LOL

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I've accepted that Brexit can't be stopped - I don't like the idea, but hey, the other side won, but what May and her cabinet were trying to do was basically what started the 17th century Civil War between Parliament and Crown. In this case rather than King Charles usurping Parliament it was May. And like the Civil War... Parliament won.

Unless Parliament can make changes which satisfy our First Minister and the Scottish Parliament I fear we'll be having another indy ref... and this time my feelings in the matter aren't certain.

A good day for Parliament.

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Unless Parliament can make changes which satisfy our First Minister and the Scottish Parliament I fear we'll be having another indy ref... and this time my feelings in the matter aren't certain.

The Scottish and sundry devolved parliaments have been snubbed. They won't have a say.

Brexit will guarantee Scottish independence, and I will support them this time around. Let the racists and the soon to be dead baby-boomers sink under their own stupidity. I expect in my lifetime to see "Great" Britain begging to rejoin Europe.....if Brexit actually happens.

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If the plebs had voted the way they were told

But they did vote the way they were told:

An Oxford University study has found that 45% of national newspaper articles were pro-Brexit in the two months after 20 February, while 27% have been in favour of remaining in the EU. A further 19% were mixed and 9% took no position

Unsurprising, the Daily Mail was found to be the biggest support of the Leave campaign, with the Daily Express taking second place; the Daily Star, The Sun and the Daily Telegraph were next in line

http://oxfordstudent.com/2016/05/29/oxford-newspaper-study-finds-pro-brexit-bias/ http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2016-05-23-uk-newspapers-positions-brexit

Mail owner: non-dom (AKA tax exile) 4th Viscount Rothermere || Sun owner: Australian/American Rupert Murdoch || Telegraph owners: non-dom Barclay brothers.

Get the irony?

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Brexit is unlikely to be voted down, and never could any political analysis question this conclusion after Jeremy Corbyn frankly embarrassing and inept display at prime ministers questions after the Government failed to overturn it right to use the power of royal prerogative to trigger Article 50 at Supreme Court.

Corbyn never thought for a moment that the Government would publish a Brexit white paper. Surely with Labour considering announcing tabling amendments retaining access to the single market, the Government would for the sake of expediency publish a white paper.

There is no coherent Brexit policy that Corbyn's front bench can agree on. Dissenters are sitting right next to him. Corybn's cabinet cannot even collectively agree on whether or not to retain free movement of people. With odds of a snap 2017 election shortened to 7/4, the Government opposition appears bumbling, out of touch and slow to react to the ever changing political climate.

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Brexit is unlikely to be voted down

Plenty of Tories are miffed at it, too.

Which is preferable: full access to a trading bloc that guarantees continued inward investment, or Runt Britannia, bereft of (most of) her Celtic regions?

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If history has taught us one thing SenseNotSoCommon, few politicians will put there convictions before there careers.

It is vital in the coming weeks and months that ,at least Labour's opposition front bench present a pertinent Brexit strategy in relation to economic and political uncertainty within the Euro-zone exasperated by President Trumps willingness to enter into a protracted trade war.

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The special relationship is an existential risk to the UK in the Trump era, and Mrs May's (never mind deflection to the opposition) continued cluelessness seen for precisely what it is.

The foreign and non-dom media barons cheering for Brexit don't give two hoots for the people, and will be too happy to watch the National Health Service (incidentally a rare factor keeping NI voters in the UK) slashed and burned.

Unfortunately many rally around ballsy cluelessness. Give me bumbling cluelessness any day. Much more honest.

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The comments on here are staggering. Britain has always been split over whether to be in the EU (EEC). This is nothing new, before the EEC we had free trade and movement with many Commonwealth nations, we also believed the EEC would be a trade agreement and nothing more. But the numerous treaties that have snuck through turning the EEC into this political behemoth the EU is what pushed the British to want to return to its soverignty and Commonwealth.

Theres a reason Westminster is nicknamed the Mother of Parliaments and Democracy. The Commonwealth nations are highly respectful of liberal free trade, have the same legal system as the UK, share the same language, and are vehemently opposed to protectionism. To top that off, even after the British managed to stab the Commonwealth in the back in the seventies they welcome us back to the global community with admiration and respect, the EU on the other hand continues to belittle and mock the UK. Wishing to return to the global community, whilst maintaining the best possible contact with Europe -that upto them- is not racist or xenophobic, it is quite the opposite.

People in Japan ask yourself this: China has plenty of cheap labour and a huge economy, would you be willing to have laws made in Beijing that override national law, have unlimited free movement with China, and on top of that have to pay £8 billion a year net for the privilege of tariff free access? Answer that question then consider the British peoples reasons for wanting to leave the EU.

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