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UK Labour leader Keir Starmer woos undecided voters with a vow to safeguard national security

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In a country that needs root and branch reform, Starmer will tinker at the margins and hope to muddle through. It's the default strategy of the country.

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Keir Starmer delivers first major speech of general election campaign

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4X6Er09yqQ

Posted yesterday, Kier Starmer insists he is a socialist.

I wonder if such an insistence is to convince his party faithful above Starmers core vote

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Just when you think the Tories can't get any worse they surprise you. I'm sure the armed forces are chuffed at the prospect of babysitting 30,000 kids who really don't want to be there, and who will not give up their vapes, weed, hair style and music without a fight. The dumbest policy since Brexit also alienates parents - they invest in their kids so they go to uni at 18, not get shipped off for Deepcut-style brutalisation and abuse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_at_Deepcut_army_barracks). The Tories have already broken the economics of UK universities by blocking so many foreign students (who subsidise domestic ones) that several universities may shut. A number of internationally ranked courses are already being ended. Now they are taking a year of students away from them. Genius. And after ruining their futures and their free movement with Brexit, they have further alienated the next generation of voters with forced labour.

I'm beginning to think that the Tory policy unit is run by Labour activists on the sly.

Not that it matters - all the Tory voters I know have switched to Reform, as have some Tory MPs. Amusingly, they blame the Tories for not 'winning' at Brexit. That is, not getting everything out of the deal to fund a utopian Britain, leaving the 27 nations on the other side of the table on their knees, in tears, broken and skint.

The Tories have destroyed the UK. Starmer could go on holiday for the next six weeks and still win the election, standing on one leg, blindfold, with the slogan 'we aren't Tories'.

All the Tories have is the demand for photo ID to vote (reducing participation), and six weeks of wall-to-wall TV news coverage. Long before the vote happens, everyone will be absolutely sick of hearing about it. Like when they start advertising Christmas in October. By late November, you just want it to be over.

Oh, and Putin didn't cause that inflation in the UK, Brexit did, taking Sterling down 25%. Nothing does for your economy and your regime quite like a huge decline in your currency.

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Conscription was ended because it was a failure and did not train and provide a professional fighting force.

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A newspaper wag compared Rishi Sunak bonkers plan for 18-year-olds "having to perform a year of mandatory military or civilian national service" is a ludicrous teen version of a don't panic "dads army", when the armed forces requires trained permanent long term professionals.

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Plus ca change...

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Whatever ones opinion of Kier Starmer stolid lethargic lack of charisma, Starmer is the only realistic alternative to the stale Sunak status quo.

Both Sunak and Starmer have indicated that "policies" will be financed by raising between £5/10 billion a year by tackling tax avoidance and evasion, and £2.6bn by closing the so called "loopholes" in the government's non-dom exemptions.

Every electionall parties insist these mystical sums of money will magically appear from closing "loopholes and tax avoidance"

It is a sham as "tax avoidance" quote "the use of legal methods to reduce the amount of income tax that an individual or business owes," such measures require the cooperation of a global finance community.

Never happens.

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Ok lets compare .......Sunak live ho humm

UK General Elections 2024 | PM Rishi Sunak Speaks At Tory Rally In Amersham Live | UK News Live |

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l3FSRYub-c

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Look, the cringe o meter on overload, the fakery, the false shallow superciliousness patronisation of an electorate that both Starmer and Sunak have convinced themsleves are to fatuous to notice.

This level of disrespect is mindboggling.

These Westminster parliamentary elite actually think, believe, that the voting public are simple minded fools.

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Westminster elite? Starmer has only been in parliament for five years. He's far from the career politicians that have made the whole thing a sham for the last two decades. He's the real deal, a good man trying to get the best out of a pretty awful situation.

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Sunak grabbed weekend headlines with an announcement that all 18-year-olds in Britain will have to perform a year of mandatory military or civilian national service if the Conservatives are reelected. The prime minister said the program would help “create a shared sense of purpose among our young people and a renewed sense of pride in our country.

Young Tory voters are close to becoming and extinct species. Maybe some seniors would like the sound of this.

What next? An all out attack on the metric system?

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If you thought the Tories were bad, they'll seem like sunshine and rainbows compared to Labour. Headed by a WEF puppet and full of socialist crazies, get ready for a big influx of illegals, for the welfare state to inflate and along with it the taxes and heavy borrowings to pay for it, subservience to the European Commission, and a dejected spirit.

The only solution at the moment is for disaffected Conservatives to vote for right-leaning minor parties and independents to force Labour into a minority government that wouldn't be able to do any more damage. Failing to vote of voting Labour amounts to treason.

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The only solution at the moment is for disaffected Conservatives to vote for right-leaning minor parties and independents

You mean Reform? Who are the independents you’d like to see people vote for?

Headed by a WEF puppet and full of socialist crazies

The socialists are complaining that he’s moved the party to Tory-lite.

Who are the socialist crazies in the party now?

Are they skinny-fat soy boys who need to get jacked and follow a carnivore diet?

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Yes Negative Nancy, Kier Starmer continuity, in respect to a commons Westminster labour party leadership, direct parliamentary career spans some five years.

However his associations will the labour party, especially a new labour, third way ethic can be traced to 2007.

Later in life, Keir’s drive to make the world a fairer place saw him enter politics. He was first elected to Parliament in 2015, at the age of 52. He serves as the member for Holborn and St Pancras, where he has lived for many years with his family.

He was Shadow Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union (2016-2020) and Shadow Immigration Minister (2015-2016).

https://labour.org.uk/people/keir-starmer/

I think it is important that the electorate be afforded a clear picture 2024 July of a parliamentary establishment that is insulator, detached, inward thinking, open only to take notice, listening their constituents at a general election, to be ignored for the next five years.

Which bring me back to the conventionally of UK system of voting ..

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JimizoToday  10:58 am JST

The only solution at the moment is for disaffected Conservatives to vote for right-leaning minor parties and independents

You mean Reform? Who are the independents you’d like to see people vote for? 

Headed by a WEF puppet and full of socialist crazies

The socialists are complaining that he’s moved the party to Tory-lite.

Who are the socialist crazies in the party now? 

Are they skinny-fat soy boys who need to get jacked and follow a carnivore diet?

Can't you do anything but sneer?

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Can't you do anything but sneer?

Who are the minor parties and independents you are taking about?

What are their policies?

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Just a thought, for Sunak's year of *mandatory*** **military or civilian national service for 18 year old, such a proposal would need to have a comprehensive system of enforcement, sanctions for those that refused.

What would that entail, who would be tasked to round up the miscreants, possibility hundreds of thousands of youths, up and down the country, the conscientious objectors.

Then the challenges in the courts, a potential lawyer charter, as The Human Rights Act 1998 sets out the fundamental rights and freedoms that everyone in the UK is entitled to, the right to refuse being forced into the armed services.

Can you really imagine the police or the army playing hid and seek around some of the most brutally harsh social housing estates?

Can you really envisage the police undertaking such a role?

Bonkers.

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If you thought the Tories were bad, they'll seem like sunshine and rainbows compared to Labour. Headed by a WEF puppet and full of socialist crazies, get ready for a big influx of illegals, for the welfare state to inflate and along with it the taxes and heavy borrowings to pay for it, subservience to the European Commission, and a dejected spirit.

It is inevitable.

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We’re watching a nation, and culture, in terminal decline. There’s no coming back.

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I have just had a peek at the overnight news service UK ITV/Channel 4.

Richi Sunak conversative central office has been harshly berating local constituency parties, MPs for the lack of volunteer support, a general doom and gloom attitude demeanour, a overall acceptance of failure of the parliamentary party.

All immediately leaked to the Times

The whole announcement of a July election was kept secret from his election strategy teams.

Michael Gove decision to stand down was not communicated to Sunak until day.

????

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JimizoToday  11:25 am JST

Can't you do anything but sneer?

Who are the minor parties and independents you are taking about?

What are their policies?

Reform, Heritage. Good, traditional proper conservative parties, unlike the sell-outs that destroyed the Conservative name.

Look them up. You might learn something instead of sneering. If you're capable.

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Look them up. You might learn something instead of sneering. If you're capable

What have your podcasters told you about Reform’s taxation policies? Sounds like Truss-level fiscal irresponsibility to many on the left and the right?

A good idea?

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JimizoToday  01:14 pm JST

Look them up. You might learn something instead of sneering. If you're capable

What have your podcasters told you about Reform’s taxation policies? Sounds like Truss-level fiscal irresponsibility to many on the left and the right? 

A good idea?

That sneer again. Grow up.

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What have your podcasters told you about Reform’s taxation policies? Sounds like Truss-level fiscal irresponsibility to many on the left and the right? 

A good idea?

That sneer again. Grow up

So what do you think of Reform’s taxation policies?

How about those independents you were talking about?

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It will take a "act of god" for the fridge parties, to finance, mount an across the board general election campaign that could "tickle", let alone dent Labour/Conservative hold on the current first past the post system.

Nigel Farage, (Honorary president of Reform UK party) is a shrewd political chancer.

An aging, rather disingenuous tin pot Fagin.

I genuinely admire the fellows debating skills.

However, a pretender, a Brexit bandit, threating to return,

Yet only when its suits his own selfish agenda.

Rumour has it Donald Trump is offering "pots of gold at the end of the rainbow" to join his campaign team,

Farage, Trump saw you coming.

Take the Greens, I know Caroline Lucas, Greens only MP, our Brighten UK business, sitting MP.

A honest genuine politician.

Yet her party has been around since Noah loaded the arc, time and again falling on stony ground, one election after another.

The first past the post voting system takes no prisoners.

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So what do you think of Reform’s taxation policies?

How about those independents you were talking about?

It looks pretty good on the face of it in terms of rates, and the pledge to slash waste and simplify the tax code are positives. Nobody has all the right answers, but they're on the right track.

As far as independents are concerned, I just think people who are fed up with the Tories should look at what the independents stand for and vote accordingly.

What have your podcasters told you about Reform’s taxation policies?

Nobody's told me what to think about anything, but I agree to varying extents with many of them.

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Failing to vote of (or?) voting Labour amounts to treason.

You seem to be suggesting democracy is treason. I take it you'll be voting for the WPK.

The first past the post voting system takes no prisoners.

Some might say it makes us all prisoners - we need to vote for the person we despise least.

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albaleoToday  04:00 pm JST

Failing to vote of (or?) voting Labour amounts to treason.

You seem to be suggesting democracy is treason. I take it you'll be voting for the WPK.

Nice try. Voting for a party that'll sell your country down the river when you have the choice to vote for those that don't is tantamount to treason.

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Nice try. Voting for a party that'll sell your country down the river when you have the choice to vote for those that don't is tantamount to treason.

The right to vote was fought for and is now sacred. The way a voter using it is entirely up to them and any coherence or insulting to try and persuade a voter to change their decision opposes the principles of democracy.

Unfortunately expats like me who have lived outside of the country for more than 15 years lost the right to vote. Imagine what would happen if they tried that with American expats.

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The right to vote was fought for and is now sacred. The way a voter using it is entirely up to them and any coherence or insulting to try and persuade a voter to change their decision opposes the principles of democracy.

Tell that to the left-wingers on this site who sneer or froth at the mouth at people who prefer right-wing candidates. It goes into overdrive when Trump is concerned.

Also, your second sentence contravenes an important tenet of democracy. It's perfectly legitimate to try to persuade a person to change their decision as long as the persuasion doesn't come on threat of violence.

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It's perfectly legitimate to try to persuade a person to change their decision as long as the persuasion doesn't come on threat of violence.

But describing someone's voting decision as treason does imply violence of a kind.

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But describing someone's voting decision as treason does imply violence of a kind.

How so?

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Reform UK forced to remove more than 100 general election candidates in 2024

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/24/reform-uk-forced-to-remove-more-than-100-general-election-candidates-in-2024

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Also, your second sentence contravenes an important tenet of democracy. It's perfectly legitimate to try to persuade a person to change their decision as long as the persuasion doesn't come on threat of violence.

any coherence or insult to try and persuade a voter to change their decision opposes the principles of democracy.

Voting is never treason.

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I'd call it treason a party that is funded by foreign donors. Last year, MPs sought an amendment to close the loopholes enabling foreign donations. Tory MPs were whipped, forcing them to vote it down. Whenever there’s a choice between country and party, the Tories choose party. Or how about the appointment of some of some of these shifty donors to the House of Lords? Nah, the Tories are self-serving scum.

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But describing someone's voting decision as treason does imply violence of a kind.

How so?

Treason is a crime in the UK, so a person accused of treason would be physically restrained. (Until 1998, it was punishable by death; now just life imprisonment.) And it is legal to use reasonable force to prevent an illegal act. Are you suggesting those not voting or voting Labour should be physically restrained? That sounds like violence of a kind to me.

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Past/present governments at the turn of the millennia have refused to fund genuine skilled accredited training recognised apprentices apprenticeships.

No, instead failing back on a continuous meaningless set of certificate programs, leadership development courses, General Practice Vocational Training Schemes.

None remoted suitable for IT development, lead-in skills training investment.  

Employers requiring high skilled technical, IT, engineering first grade recruit, poach from a pool of overseas staff/talent.

Nurses, first grade experience designing and developing mechanical devices and systems, 2nd proficiency with CAD software to name bit a few.

All can be sourced from Europe and UK students are enthusiastic but hobbled.

This nonsense that UK leaving EU has somehow restricted movement recruitment of semi skilled/skilled employees is simply fake news.

it is enough to make you weep at the betrayal to UK young people ill equipped to compete.

Even basic unsupervised troubleshooting is a struggle.

These governments tory/labour offers for future for UK young people, at 18, a mandatory year in the armed forces polishing anything that stands still.

Followed by the prospect of filling a shelf on zero hours, or a life of crime

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Even if Reform had to get rid of some nutters, so be it. Labour is quite happy to have socialist crazies represent it.

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any coherence or insult to try and persuade a voter to change their decision opposes the principles of democracy.

That would make just about any party anti-democratic, given the insults they hurl at each other to try to persuade voters no to vote for their opponents. So my comment still stands.

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Treason is a crime in the UK, so a person accused of treason would be physically restrained. (Until 1998, it was punishable by death; now just life imprisonment.) And it is legal to use reasonable force to prevent an illegal act. Are you suggesting those not voting or voting Labour should be physically restrained? That sounds like violence of a kind to me.

I'm saying that in principle, a vote for Labour is basically a vote for a party that will be happy to sell the country out on the back of unbridled illegal immigration that harms the interest of British citizens and the net-zero nonsense that will drive energy costs sky-high for no benefit, negatively impacting the lives of the people the party claims to represent.

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If its a choice between another Tory Government, and some Left Wing Socialists, I know who I wouldn't vote for.

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The party faced questions about how the program would work and whether it could be made compulsory

Just listened to a Tory MP trying to answer questions on this half-baked nonsense. Absolute s##tshow. He didn’t have the first clue about what was involved and what, if any, penalties would be imposed for not doing it.

This was on Times Radio - hardly known for ripping the Tories up.

Put these people out their misery on July 4th. They deserve it.

I'd call it treason a party that is funded by foreign donors. Last year, MPs sought an amendment to close the loopholes enabling foreign donations. Tory MPs were whipped, forcing them to vote it down. Whenever there’s a choice between country and party, the Tories choose party. Or how about the appointment of some of some of these shifty donors to the House of Lords? 

Yep. I’d say that’s closer to an accurate use of the word treason.

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