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The deputy leader of Britain’s main opposition party refused Sunday to apologize for calling the governing Conservatives “scum.”

Throw in Labour’s anti-Semitism and it becomes clear why intolerant pols like Rayner remain out of power and in the opposition.

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Any who are following her political career will not be surprised.

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She was right about Boris Johnson, though.

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I know not much about her but I like her already.

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Anyone who leaves children hungry during a pandemic and can give billions of pounds to their mates on WhatsApp, I think that was pretty scummy,

Hard to argue with it but words like ‘disgusting’, ‘foul’ or ‘sick’ could have done the job just as well.

Throw in Labour’s anti-Semitism and it becomes clear why intolerant pols like Rayner remain out of power and in the opposition.

Given your admirable dislike of discrimination, do you want to go into Johnson’s full history of comments on race and religion? This article barely touched on them.

I understand this is a bit of whataboutery, but voters do need to weigh these things up when choosing the least objectionable alternative, which is how many people vote.

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The conservatives have several people of color in leadership positions so this sounds like a racist attack since Rayner is White.

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"Scum" doesn't even begin to describe the corrupt, mendacious Tories who brazenly feather their own nests while rampantly exploiting a helpless underclass and keeping the UK festering in feudalism and, to rub salt into the wounds, have through sheer incompetence brought the country to brink of the Brexit abyss where ruination and despair for millions await. The Brits have many other choicer words for the nabobs of the "Nasty Party".

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The conservatives have several people of color in leadership positions so this sounds like a racist attack since Rayner is White.

Hysterical reasoning.

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The people of the UK deserve what they have - and that's all I'm saying

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Name calling and posturing towards “Government”, at fringe conference meetings, so stirring up the party faithful is par for the course in British body politick.

Get a thicker skin.

Let review/move on to Angela Rayner opening conference speech.

Let us face the future” – Angela Rayner’s full conference speech

https://labourlist.org/2021/09/let-us-face-the-future-angela-rayners-full-conference-speech/

So Labour in power will give all workers rights from day one in their jobs: sick pay, holiday pay, parental leave and protection against unfair dismissal.

We will create one, single worker status, banning bogus self-employment and ending the absurd situation in which you could wear a uniform, work regular hours solely for one business and yet be considered by the law to be self-employed. You are either a worker or you’re genuinely self-employed, and either way we will change your working life for the better.

We will not only ban zero-hour contracts but ensure all contracts come with minimum hours and reflect normal working life, requiring notice of shift changes and pay when they are cancelled at the last minute.

I fully support this.

The rest of is Angela Rayner speech is tad posturing rhetorical sixth form activism.

It needs vision a coherent strategy. The vision has to win over the electorate.

Labour opposition have failed to make the political impact to win back the voters. Or inspire confidence to govern.

Boris Johnson handling of this pandemic should be subject to a full public inquiry. 135,000 fatalities

And more to come.

Yet Johnson's government seems impervious, in the minds of the electorate to be held accountable.

At least a quarter of the Conservative election manifesto has been welshed or ditched.

National parliament voting intention.........

https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/united-kingdom/

Johnson government is 5 point ahead of labour.

How is that the case?

Labour needs to focus on a clear vision, on policy and an alternative agenda. .

Angela Rayner has passion, bucket loads of it. Something is missing though.

Maybe the ability to bring about change, or make change happen.

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She's right. The Tories are corrupt, incompetent, mendacious, foul scum.

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The danger Angela Rayner rant is the tone, substance, language all could undermine the positives within her opening conference speech.

'We cannot get any worse than a bunch of scum, homophobic, racist, misogynistic, absolute vile... banana republic, vile, nasty, Etonian... piece of scum.'

Whether one agrees with the sentiment is besides the point,

The rant widens the ideological gulf between the Angela Rayner and Keir Starmer, who immediately distanced himself from Rayner's comments.

The media has picked up on the rant instead of Rayner valid conference speech points.

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She's right that they're scum, or most of them especially at the top level. But not necessarily for the reasons she claimed. They're basically corrupt, authoritarian treasonous liars.

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The thing is that if SHE was leader, she wouldn't let the Zannon wing of the party sabotage an election with claims that opposing Apartheid is a racist act, would pound Johnson's carefully cultivated image of buffoonery to reveal the corrupt racist reality for all to see, and probably win in a landslide through the sheer shock of speaking the honest truth directly rather than cringing hinting at it.

Let her take a run at becoming PM, and the 'Iron Lady' will be eclipsed by the Steely Woman.

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It is not possible to win debate, or influence any political agenda with insults.

It just opens up the fact you are inarticulate and rude.

Angela Rayner is neither inarticulate or rude.

"Never tell anybody outside the family what you're thinking." ... Don Vito Corleone

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To be fair Angela Rayner over enthusiastic late night wine fueled verbal exuberance.....

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it one conservative MP James Gray that suggested a bomb should be planted in Labour frontbencher Anneliese Dodd's office?

James Gray did apologized but as a adult why suggest such a cretinous idiocy in the first place

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Let the Labour Party tear itself apart. Their downfall was started by that buffoon Corbyn. Starmer is a Tory in disguise. When they rid themselves of Starmer after his defeat at the next Election in 2024 I think the Unions will try to take over the party in full- going full circle back to the Foot Days of the 1980's. I think there will be a more moderate breakaway faction that will have to work towards creating an opposition party worth its name for 2029.

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Let the Labour Party tear itself apart. Their downfall was started by that buffoon Corbyn. Starmer is a Tory in disguise. When they rid themselves of Starmer after his defeat at the next Election in 2024 I think the Unions will try to take over the party in full- going full circle back to the Foot Days of the 1980's. I think there will be a more moderate breakaway faction that will have to work towards creating an opposition party worth its name for 2029.

I think a Lab/Lib pact or agreement is more likely. The maths have changed with the rise of the SNP making an outright Labour win extremely difficult, no matter who’s leading the party.

Not ideal, but if it can get this appalling government out, I’d take it.

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@Jimizo - you are probably right. I honestly don't believe that the Labour Party in its current form can ever regain power. I'm a Conservative, but I don't take any joy in this as we need strong credible opposition.

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I honestly don't believe that the Labour Party in its current form can ever regain power. 

I honestly wonder if it could now win in any form. I wasn’t one of those who believed the usual media sensationalism about the Labour Parry being unable to win an election after being beaten 4 times in a row in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Similarly, I didn’t swallow similar stuff written about the Tories when Blair was hammering them. They both came back.

This time the maths are different.

I don’t see the path to victory running from the centre or the left. Labour have been unable to beat Tory governments led by Cameron, May and Boris Johnson - absolute cack as leaders.

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Well @Jimizo, Pretty much agree with you - Neither party did win an Election in the same form as their previous Government. Blair created New Labour and the Conservatives underwent a complete restructuring under Michael Howard prior to Cameron becoming leader. With the SNP and their numbers its going to to take another 'Charisma' to remold Labour.

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Americans drive and think on the right, the British drive on the left and the mistake of the Labour Party has always been to muddy their messages and get their supporters to think on the right, too. Wishy-washy Corbyn's mistake was not to hammer into the skulls of the electorate with hard facts the catastrophic consequences of falling for the toxic Tory Brexit scam and show the treacherous anti-left moles in the party hell-bent on restoring Blairism the exit door to the right. The Labour Party must stand firmly for the Left by demonstrating that the enemy of democracy and progress lurks, as history shows, in the shiny woodwork of the Right. Starmer is the wrong man for the job, the Judas who will betray the party and people for a paltry sum of electoral votes.

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No need to defend.

The Tory government could be deemed as worse than a 'scum government'.

It is a messy asylum incapable of looking after the citizens' welfare..

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@us _reamer: - On that basis I'm guessing you think someone like John McDonnell should be leader?

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On that basis I'm guessing you think someone like John McDonnell should be leader?

Would be a good start, but, as in America, the fundamental problem threatening the future of democracy is a frightened, stupified electorate that has allowed itself to be bamboozled by the lies and empty promises of politicians in the pockets of the rich they serve. Led by the nose to vote against its own interests while dancing round "the Golden Calf of Kapitalism" the electorates in the "stable" democracies are slowly opening the gates to the Trojan Horse of fascism.

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The conservatives have several people of color in leadership positions so this sounds like a racist attack since Rayner is White.

Is that bait I see?

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She's right but of course it's given the scum another opportunity to deflect from what they should really be talking about and acting upon.

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Much to do about absolutely nothing-UK, even schoolboys come out with much worse than ‘scum’

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If people can’t tear someone down politely, they don’t have the skills needed ro accomplish anything useful or long-lasting in politics. Nobody needs to call anyone “scum.” It says more about the person speaking than the person spoken about.

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Some people are opining that her 'rudeness' is counterproductive.

But can anyone name a right wing leader or government that has been persuaded to move to where the science and evidence says is in the interests of the public by polite requests and mere repetition of the often blatantly obvious evidence?

Yeah, hard to find an example. Now consider how often being rude, and often the rudest possible (literally bullet pointed presentations) are what is persuades right wingers to move

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Unacceptable language from any parliamentarian.

She is demonstrating the very narrow minded, politically blinkered tribalism that has so bedevilled the US political system of late. What ever your political opinion we do not need or want this kind of rabid populist language or attitude infecting politics in this country. We have always been able to hold strong an often diametrically opposing views with our recourse to the language of the gutter To be able to agree to disagree is the only course to a stable and successful polity.

The last time we had a populist renter using this sort of language was Moseley, and that is not an example anyone should wish to follow!

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Drat, should have checked for predictive spelling errors.

with our = without.

populist renter = populist ranter.

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The last time we had a populist renter using this sort of language was Moseley, and that is not an example anyone should wish to follow!

Oh, come on.

Would you put this on the level of Enoch Powell?

Thatcher was talking about ‘the enemy within’. Dennis Skinner got booted out of Parliament for calling someone a ‘wart’. David Cameron called UKP ‘swivel-eyed loons’. I could go on for a long while here talking about demonizing and insulting groups or individuals.

Not the right language for a politician to use but hardly the worst thing since Moseley.

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UKP - UKIP

Oh yes, members of UKIP have had their fair share of questionable comments, Farage included.

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Enoch Powell that's a name that made my rivers of blood boil.

SCUM society for cutting up men. SCUM Manifesto is a radical feminist manifesto by Valerie Solanas, published in 1967. 

Both same era.

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stick to his predecessor’s socialist policies of nationalization and spending hikes.

Interesting, I wonder what competitive free market enterprises they would like to nationalize?

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