British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, left, and Jeremy Corbyn debate live on TV, in Salford, Manchester, England, Tuesday, Photo: ITV via AP
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Johnson, Corbyn square off in 1st UK election debate

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As soon as either man began to develop his arguements regarding Brexit the interviewer cut them off with, "Thankyou thankyou, we have to move on."

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Johnson v Corbyn: The ITV Debate | ITV News......Su

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kEB5pqWpJw

Shuffle through to around 7 mins....The point is not spot the cretin. I could argue they are both a penny sort of a pound..Lets be a little more objective ..

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The point is not spot the cretin. I could argue they are both a penny sort of a pound.

Really? One wants to build a fairer Britain where wealth and power are shared while the other is an incompetent, lying, corrupt, womanising cokehead dilettante who wants to sell the NHS, the prison service, the farming industry and the education system to American corporations.

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That is political idealistic rhetoric.

The policies of both parties are the point in question. Wealth and power have to earned, as a democratic mandate.

The taxation system has to be reconcilable to economic and fiscal limitations, ultimately be seen to be fair, and most importantly prudently managed. Personal attack are puerile and unnecessary, and Yes where Boris Jphnsn is concernd I have made them to .

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PM Bozo and the Tories are pulling ahead in the polls.

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I have had a first run through of the Johnson and Corbyn televised debate. Johnson comes over as slippery, Corbyn succumbs to a the dogmatic idealism of the activist.

Corbyn refused to answer basic questions about UK leaving the EU and his personal position.

Johnson refused to admit to his personal character flaws, his betrayal and failure of commitment to his family.

I am a solemn believer that trust emulates from how one treats there loved ones. Their Family. How can any Politician be trusted to carry out there pledges and promises contained in party manifesto if they betray their kith and kin.

The issue with Jeremy Corbyn, his reported policy agenda, is inherently economically and fiscally flawed. Corbyn is a honest man, but not remotely capable of managing UK economy. I don't think Jeremy Corbyn has a leadership bone in his body.

So the choice is stark.

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I’d take Corbyn’s incompetence over Johnson’s inability to be honest.

What Johnson is capable of doing with a majority doesn’t bear thinking about.

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Haven't heard the "debate", but that's all right because it's clearly a simple choice between decency and indecency, although, unfortunately, even this no brainer is too hard for many punters to get their heads round. As the late, lamented Frank Zappa explained: “There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.”

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The taxation system has to be reconcilable to economic and fiscal limitations, ultimately be seen to be fair, and most importantly prudently managed.

Quite. You do know that Johnson's vanity projects during his time as Mayor of London cost taxpayers £940m and were a total failure?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/18/bridge-940m-bill-boris-johnsons-mayora-vanity-projects-garden-bridge-routemaster-bus

Sorry, there's no way you can possibly claim fiscal prudence for Johnson.

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Sorry, there's no way you can possibly claim fiscal prudence for Johnson.

The idea of the Tories being the party of fiscal prudence or competence has never been a solid one. Thatcher squandered North Sea oil money partly on the enormous welfare bill she created through mass unemployment. Cameron and Osborne hardly made a dent in the debt despite imposing austerity on the least well-off. I’m not defending Labour’s record on the economy either here, but it useful to shoot down the myth that the Tories have a good record.

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Two devils, a big one  and a bigger one! You choose!

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Promises, promises by both parties, economic and fiscal. Politics and a General Election are a market stall of pledges and promises, a political buy one get one free, The reality is shady economics.

Alfie Noakes I do not disagree with you, the ballot box will ultimately decide.

Can I ask if you are eligible to vote in the UK. I am not, so my comments are just an opinion.

I have viewed the debate twice and have passed to my Brighton business colleagues. That now originate from 27 separate counties. The staff that reply I will post their opinions.

I am inclined to suggest they pay tax in the UK. The colleagues that are not passport holders should have a voice, a vote. There contribution to the exchequer is substantial.

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Corbyn did extremely well. Johnson looked like the shifty entitled liar that he is. He didn't manage to endanger British citizens abroad or make any overtly racist comments this time, though, so that's a big improvement.

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Labor's mistake,which will ultimately cost them the election,is the not jettisoning of Corbyn from time.There's really nothing prime ministerial about him.Or Johnson,but when the cupboard is bare...

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OK to move on, lets review the

ITV Interviews with Jo Swinson, Nicola Sturgeon, Nigel Farage and Sian Berry | ITV News....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVNIcfULiZ8

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I love the fact that the chief criticism of Corbyn was his “wonky glasses”.

although his mispronunciation of Epstein was a bit of the mask slipping.

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Well, there's no way I'm voting for Corbyn, that's for sure. Just from this debate alone his performance was not great. Dodging basic questions about the EU and waxing poetic... it's not good. It's not pragmatic. That's all ignoring Corbyn's past as well, and his personality, neither of which are favourable. People liken Boris to Trump, but Corbyn is far closer, particularly in the way he treats veterans (except to pander to the people after being called out for his mistreatment). Corbyn can't be trusted.

Would Boris be better? Very difficult to say. I don't have any real confidence in him, and there are far too many scandals surrounding him for him to be trustworthy. If it were another Leave advocate in charge of the Tories, one with a cleaner past, I'd feel more confident, but with Boris at the helm it's too shaky for my liking. I favour him over Corbyn though, but I may have to look at other candidates to see who is a better choice. If one even exists.

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It's stunning. Labour had the chance to whip the Tories and reclaim power, but they clung to one of the most despicable people in politics, Corbyn. There are only two people on the planet worse, though, Johnson and Trump take that prize.

It would be as if Democrats chose Gabbard to be their nominee. What an indictment of British politics!

There is a huge difference between the US and GB in politics. GB is getting to choose between what might be the worst two candidates in its history. At least in the US next year we will have one decent candidate, whoever the Democrats nominate.

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 GB is getting to choose between what might be the worst two candidates in its history.

"Joker" Johnson represents the unspeakable, so the less said of him the better, but there have been many worse than Corbyn. The two Tory harridans with handbags and the unctuous Tory-lite unindicted war criminal come to mind for starters.

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Would Boris be better? Very difficult to say.

It's very easy to say. The man's a blatant liar, not fit to be No 10's rat catcher, never mind PM.

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Boris is just another Donald Trump, another crazy man with similar hairstyle!  He beat up his companion like he use to be a hooligan!

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It's stunning. Labour had the chance to whip the Tories and reclaim power, but they clung to one of the most despicable people in politics, Corbyn.

Dithering? Yes. Incompetent? Yes. Disorganized? Yes.

Despicable? No.

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That's all ignoring Corbyn's past as well, and his personality, neither of which are favourable.

Corbyn doesn't lie about holding dialogue with Irish Republicans, he doesn't dodge questions like Johnson does about wanting to hand the NHS to Trump-approved corporations.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-nhs-us-trump-trade-deal-brexit-poll-a9173761.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-debate-boris-johnson-nhs-trump-corbyn-trade-deal-brexit-itv-a9209811.html

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There was one Audience member who pretty much summed it up... why should we vote for either of you, as do we Trust you ?

I really haven't figured out which of all the Politicians from all sides I could trust to do what they say they will do, since even if they win ... it comes down to how much of a Majority they win by, and unless 100% majority there will be bickering and watering down, and excuses, etc, etc...

I think I've mentioned before, Corbyn would be an interesting Chap to have around for Dinner, and I'm sure conversation with him would be intellectual, challenging and thought provoking, even if I would not agree to some of his ideology, but it would be a good Dinner and a good Conversation, and we'd part with good feeling.

With Johnson, however, I feel it would be a Car crash of a Dinner, a bit of an embarrassment, in which he'd try to invoke the "British Class" thing over the table to justify why he knows better. Some of his Policies may make sense to me, but, it's just the way they're put across that's a bit off-putting. And, as for his Womanizing ... that's just Noise - there should be more shame upon the Women for admitting that they're sleeping around for Personal gain to the disadvantage of other Women who've worked hard to earn the position that they're in.

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BTW. Let's take a look at the question of what is anti-semitism ?

In the true sense, it's a form of Racism based upon the person's Religion. This is clearly WRONG, and applies to all rather than specifically one sector.

The problem I have is with the "new definition" of Anti-Semitism. If I voice my disagreement with Israel's Military actions, then by voicing that disagreement, I am immediately accused of being Anti-Semitic.... ?!?!?

You only need to look through the web, for all the definitions of Anti-Semitism, and even a more "liberal" explanation offered by ADL suggests that because I disagreed with an action by their State, I may be a hiding an Anti-Jew feeling ?!!! WTF ?

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