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I thought they had strict gun control in the U.K.

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I thought they had strict gun control in the U.K.

They do. That’s why mass shootings are very rare.

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I thought they had strict gun control in the U.K.

Very much so. To get a legally owned weapon you need to get a licence and go through police checks.

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There are strict gun laws but society isn't gun-free. This horrific crime was committed with a long gun which the killer turned on himself. One of the victims was a five-year-old girl.

Locals identified the shooter as Jake Davison, a 23-year-old apprentice crane operator who lived in Devon city.

He shot members of his own family before taking to the streets and opening fire on strangers. His rampage left the girl, two women, and two men dead with the majority of his victims not believed to be known to him. Two dog walkers were among those shot.

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"not terror related" He shot multiple people! the west needs to do some deep reflection.

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There's a difference between 'terror' and 'terrorism', Erik. Also, if you're gonna quote the article, quote it correctly (assuming it wasn't an error in the article that was corrected by the time I read it?)

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Since Hungerford and Dunblane gun laws in the UK are extremely strict. This is just an example of madness. So sad.

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HakmanToday  01:16 pm JST

I thought they had strict gun control in the U.K.

Which very much limit the number of guns out there but most crucially, the type of guns out there. Thankfully he didn't have access to an assault weapon.

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It's the mentality of the people who unfortunately kill others.

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According to the BBC it was allegedly a shotgun.

So tragic when rage overturns reason.

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6 people, including suspected gunman, killed in Plymouth shooting - UK:

Shoot to kill as many as the gunman can (?)

Is this the new phenomenon in UK where police don't usually carry guns?

Has it been inherited from turbulent US already saturated with freely available guns?..

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Police in southwest England said six people were killed, including the suspected shooter, in the city of Plymouth Thursday in a “serious firearms incident” that wasn't terror-related.

Honestly, what difference does it make if it was terror related or not? I know the first thought that goes through many people's minds is "was it some crazy muslim immigrant"? but why is it so important to point this out right away?

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Such incidents, which lead to a pushback against the idea of unrestrained individual liberty, puts to the lie the idea that there’s no such thing as society.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=XbuX9U2oqwE&feature=emb_logo

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From the Daily Mail:

The incident – the first in Britain involving an 'active shooter' for 11 years – was so serious that Home Secretary Priti Patel was given regular updates. 

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Any thoughts for the violently murdered?

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“Rest In Peace” to the victims. “Condolences” to the families of those lost. A ‘speedy recovery; to those survivors of this truly horrific event.

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Honestly, what difference does it make if it was terror related or not?

...but why is it so important to point this out right away?

One reason perhaps is to let the wider public know there's no reason to expect further shootings. But I agree that murder is murder whatever the reasons.

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Infer U.K. somehow ‘inherit’ mass killing sound quite, odd.

From younger nation to mother nation seems. choice is strange.

Any violence on others is still pain, universally So.

The true origin & motive of such remain suspect

(Tenor & pace is always the same. Point is: This a community tragedy. Take your insensitive ‘global propaganda & politics’, elsewhere!)

Are this not, assume as reasonable?

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So killing random innocent people is not terror-related. Had it been a moslem, it would definitely be classified as such. Terror has no religion nor ethnicity.

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A real shocker.

UK is strict on gun control, but that didn't stop this unstable person from getting hold of one.

Since he also randomly shot at strangers, it is terrorism!

My thoughts are with the innocent victims and their families.

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From the Daily Mail: 

The incident – the first in Britain involving an 'active shooter' for 11 years – was so serious that Home Secretary Priti Patel was given regular updates. 

The Daily mail is fox's posher sister.

The Racism and bigotry are similar, they just have a more refined way of expressing it.

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If this had happened in the U.S., it would be considered a "normal" day or couple of days. Which is sick. Fortunately, these incidents are very rare in nations with strict gun control like the UK or Japan.

RIP to the 5 victims.

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Devon is very rural, its easier to get a shotgun license in the countryside. Easier but not easy. Either the weapon was his, a family members or he knew someone who had one and stole it.

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It is important to wait for the authorities to report all the facts.

The tragic loss of life could well be significantly higher than original reports

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Devon is very rural, its easier to get a shotgun license in the countryside. Easier but not easy.

IIRC, shotguns are limited to a fixed magazine capacity of three, so he must have reloaded a couple of times or used more than one. Unless it was an illegal firearm.

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Tragic event..

I assure you that after this, the UK is going to toughen the laws on firearms just as New Zealand did. (decent countries)..

First world countries = Tighten laws against firearms, because people lives are more important than guns and its industry..

US = Take advantage of the seasonal offer in the nearest guns store and increase your collection of firearms that God and the Pastor gave you the divine right to arm yourself to the teeth.. And thoughts and prayers !!..

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It's hard to shot and kill yourself with a shotgun

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DAVISON WAS A GUN OBSESSED RIGHT WING SUPPORTER

Davison's Facebook is littered with American propaganda such as a picture of an eagle in front of a flag and a picture of the Lexington Minuteman statue that depicts a colonial farmer holding a musket.

Davison also has a dark YouTube page where he rambles about his failed love life.

He likes Incel TV - an online support group for "involuntary celibates" that is linked male supremacy and misogyny.

From The Sun so...

www.thesun.co.uk/news/15855891/plymouth-shooting-jake-davison-video-latest-death-keyham-live/

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Other papers are reporting he was an Incel, a word you don’t usually see in the UK, even though there have been other shootings globally perpetrated by Incels. They have a huge online presence.

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There is a lot of anger bottling up in the UK recently.

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Another stupid man with a gun.

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I thought they had strict gun control in the U.K.

They do.

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@XuluxToday

"There is a lot of anger bottling up in the UK recently."

Hardly surprising with the bunch of clowns they have governing them now.

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There is a lot of anger bottling up in the UK recently.

About what?

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I thought they had strict gun control in the U.K.

The UK does have strict gun control. That's why these incidents happen quite rarely rather than as frequently as they do in the US.

You can't limit anger/psychosis/revenge but you can limit gun ownership.

As a result, most UK assault deaths are stabbings. I'd rather face off against someone with a knife than someone with a gun.

'Not terror related' means that it wasn't an ideologically motivated attack. Incidents like this are usually mental health, gang-related or family issues. The police announce this to reduce the chances of twisted xenophobic idiots committing random acts of hate crime in response.

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Jake Davison stormed a home armed with a long-barrelled gun and blasted a woman, believed to be his mum, his sister and his brother.

Jake Davison shot dead five people in Plymouth

The 23-year-old then rampaged through Biddick Drive picking off locals at random as he made his way to a nearby park.

Davison then shot the young girl as she walked her dog with her family and another innocent bystander.

After randomly firing at terrified passers-by, he then turned the gun on himself following the bloodbath just after 6pm yesterday.

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Anyone with a prison sentence of 6 months (I think) is prohibited from getting a license. All it takes is a an application, some references and a police check of your storage ..plus a "good" reason to have one. My two brothers are both shotgun owners. No limit on the number allowed on each license as long as you have the required storage. The law changed to put pump action and more than 3 cartridge weapons in a different license category ....more difficult to get. But if you are from a well known local family in a farming community, not impossible.

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zichiToday  04:59 pm JST

It's hard to shot and kill yourself with a shotgun

Not really. Barrel end in mouth pull trigger with your toe. True a handgun is easier, but it's not that hard.

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Mr Kipling,

As you probably know, the history of hunting with a shotgun in the UK goes back to Henry VIII. It's a legitimate pursuit and a valid reason for ownership.

It doesn't sound like this guy should have had a license though. My link to The Sun above now documents a possible history of poor mental health.

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Jeans and T....

exactly, so for someone in rural Devon saying they want to hunt rabbits is OK. Someone in inner cty Manchester saying they want a shotgun for "home protection" .. not!

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Mr Kipling,

Absolutely. Now reported that he was a licensed owner, but no confirmed details on the type of gun beyond witnesses saying that it was a pump action shotgun.

In these incidents, to make an argument with regards to gun regulation, the type of weapon used is often the most important detail.

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I am very surprised to find that as of March 31st 2021 there were 566,000 people in the UK holding a firearm or shotgun certificate. 97% of shotgun applications were granted last year. 365 firearms and shotguns were lost or stolen.

Interesting....

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/statistics-on-firearm-and-shotgun-certificates-england-and-wales-april-2020-to-march-2021

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He murdered his mother, then went outside and murdered a three year old girl and her father who were walking their dog. He went into a park and murdered a man and a woman before killing himself. He did it because he was angry at life, he was a loser who blamed women for his shortcomings and who online expressed violent misogyny, especially towards mothers and especially his own. He had a licence for the gun.

He was an Incel, although men online are falling over themselves to deny it.

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A White local nut-case... not Foreigner, Not Religious, but plain and simple a Nut-case. The UK has 'em too.

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Prosecution rate in the UK

All crimes: 8

Sex crimes 4%

Rape cases 1.9

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Whilst it’s superficially comforting to ascribe this or that label to something which we don’t truly understand, the risk is that we delude ourselves into thinking that the problem is smaller and easier to manage than it actually is or confined to so few that we need not overly worry. The reality is that the issues involved cut across neat categories. Also, there are typically warning signals galore prior to anyone going off the deep end and here to is no exception. Indeed, the unraveling of this young man’s psyche proceeded in a way that, in retrospect, seems all too predictable. As a product of a broken home; he’s already up against it with a palpable absence of mentor figures in his life who might have lent needed balance and moderation to dissuade him from the murderous course he chose. It should come as no surprise that our increasingly winner take all and devil take the hindmost social conscience free zone societies are spawning too many who feel they have zero stake and who, as a consequence, are choosing to opt out and take others with them.

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