British PM announces policing plan to deal with violent clashes after fatal stabbings

The Liverpool court released the name of the 17-year-old killer to prevent further speculation he is a Muslim claimed by the right-wing thugs who caused a riot in Southport—born in Cardiff Wales to parents given political asylum from Rwanda. The family moved to Bank near Southport. 

The pain of the killings is running deep in the community.

The announcement came as the teen charged with murdering three girls and stabbing 10 other people made his first appearance and was named in court partly to counter misinformation about his identity that has been blamed for triggering violent protests across England.

Do we get apologies from the half dozen or so posters here on Japan Today who spread and based their responses and opinions on the false information after the early articles?

Well, I guess I was wrong about him being a Muslim.

Well, I guess I was wrong about him being a Muslim.

And the apology?

The so called “far right” seemly fronted by Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon aka Tommy Robinson a rather insignificant creature, a group of easily led thugs, are being held up as a means to snuff out any media scrutiny for a British public that are concerned that 2 levels of law enforcement are beginning to manifest on UK street.

In Leeds Harehills, in comparison to Southport,

Much more worryingly is Starmer weaponizing Southport, London as a means to introduce integrate a network of AI next generation facial recognition technology, in towns and cities up and down the country, state surveillance on a completely intrusive level.

This is what corrosive parliamentary metropolitan establishment illiberal elitism looks like in its most toxic form.

Totally out of touch, unable or unwilling to understand how the fabric of British society has changed.          

Then enter Andrew Tate an attention seeking conceited useful idiot prating fool, indicted with his fleckless dim-witted brother on charges of human trafficking, rape, sexually exploitation of young girls/women.

The danger, Tate is a source that influences some of the most thuggish single braincell knuckle dragging troglodyte cretins to kick down walls and throw the bricks and masonry at the police.

Immigration clouds, muddles the water, the parents are reported to be genuine refugees, have established respect status within the community.

Emotions are running high, could the release of information have been handled smarter?

Also raises a question into how serious potential criminal mental health concerns are handled within the communities.

Another question is whether prior behaviours, alerted the attention of the security services?

Such question need to be answered, above and beyond being raised reviewed in court.

TokyoOldMan,

The Son had apparently been previously expelled from school for carrying a knife, and had a history with the Poloce.

Source? Please and thank you.

Do we get apologies from the half dozen or so posters here on Japan Today who spread and based their responses and opinions on the false information after the early articles?

There are people who just make mistakes.

There are other types who desperately want the attacker to fall into categories of people they really don’t like or have been told to dislike.

The second group are not much better than the thugs who attacked the mosque.

The so called “far right”

How would you describe them?

Jimizo,

There are people who just make mistakes.

That's absolutely right, although the lesson there is to wait for verified reports.

This, however...

Bad Haircut (July 30)

"Easier said than done, as the UK won't provide clear statistics on crimes committed by Muslims."

 "Doing a search using AI (ChatGPT, Perplexity, Meta) just gives out mealy-mouthed explanations about not wanting to give negative impressions of Muslims, although at least Perplexity gives the sources."

"There's nothing racist about correctly identifying a pattern and dealing with it. "

"The rising rate of violent crime, including stabbings, r@pe, and more, committed by first- and second generation Muslim immigrants"

No apology yet, but there's hope.

The aggro is unlikely to have been stirred up by random people posting BS on social media. It is more likely to have been engineered by organised hard right activists looking for any incident to exploit. MI5 has spent decades spying on generally ineffective left wing groups, when the real domestic threats come from the hard right. Analysis of social media may allow some of those involved to be identified. The Tories seem to have turned a blind eye to the hard right groups, assuming they were just over-enthusiastic supporters. I suspect they are way more organised and dangerous than that.

@Hawk

The closest people should get to wanting to believe stories is believing reports about your sports team signing a top player.

That’s a bit of fun.

Running with dodgy reports or even just making stuff up about a mass murderer belonging to a group you’ve been told to hate is very ugly and very dangerous.

Hateful.

itsonlyrocknroll,

Were you right, on July 30th?

"My UK family are fully aware of the full Identity of the 17-year-old in custody (you got his name wrong as you gave "kudos" to a poster who had posted the wrong one), the nationality (he is Welsh/British), how the alleged killer entered the UK (he was born there), purported to known to Liverpool mental health services, also known to be on the MI6 watchlist (later proved false)"

Jimizo, Far Right,

I have always associated the ideology in its purist form with* **National Socialism* totalitarian socio-political at its core 1920 - 1945.

Modern day far right Ideology Europe is far more sophisticated enlightened in its water down modern day equivalent. xenophobic to race, migration, environment, security, ultra conservative family values,

Extreme nationalistic instincts over patriotism, factionist hostility towards immigration, control over policy, legislative powers in favour of a more flexible national devotional process.

A fear of any form of socialism, of a society that is framed to follow a legislative process for genuine social justice.

Tommy Robinson/Andrew Tate can be seen approaching from a galaxy away, the "thuggery" armed in this case with sticks stones, bricks, feet and fists.

Hooligans delinquent troublemakers nothing more. Raw lawless unrestrained.

I worry more, what political shenanigans lurks with Westminster, within parliament.

No apology yet, but there's hope.

Scampered off with their tail between their legs. Sad.

Hawk no, the last name was correct, however the families details were highly inaccurate, inflammatory, the family portrayed to be Islamic/Muslim asylum seekers that slipped into Rwanda under false pretences, to then become parasitises to UK benefit system.

Many family members are hanging heads in shame.

Lesson here, never underestimate the prejudice festering amongst the most trusted pillars on one communities.

Tommy R, and Andrew Tate are easily recognisable, rioting in plain sight.

The damage from the chattering classes, the whispers, the gossip, the canard amongst trusted friends, lifelong business associates, is far more difficult to clear away than a riot.

no, the last name was correct,

No, it wasn't. Someone on JT posted the incorrect name that was circulating on social media at the time, and you gave them "kudos" for it. I can pull up the quote if you like.

Anyway, I realise I am being insufferable, and I'll stop. I just think it's important that people wait until official, verified details are released before spreading or acting on false information, such as that which led to rioting, assaults, property damage and thefts.

I'm sure those who were rioting in Southport and elsewhere have their own motivation (justified or not) for their actions. However, it was completely misdirected in this case.

Hawk, I admitted I was wrong about the religion of this attacker. That's enough. I'm not falling into the trap of apologising for everything just to appease a baying leftist mob who won't accept it anyway.

As for the other post, I'm standing by it. Too bad if you don't like it.

@Hawk

The problem is that the UK government doesn’t give out stats on crimes committed by ethnic minorities as it would ‘prejudice’ the majority whites against them.

And the number is high.

Notice that Japan has no such reserve when reporting crime figures.

However, (before I digress) it is now the case that the truth cannot be hidden anymore.

The UK state has become evasive and traitorous in its actions-riots are the result.

Hawk, I admitted I was wrong about the religion of this attacker. That's enough. I'm not falling into the trap of apologising for everything just to appease a baying leftist mob who won't accept it anyway

What has ‘leftist’ got to do with it?

Claiming that a mass murderer is a member of a particular group without evidence isn’t a matter of left or right.

It’s just what honest people with basic decency don’t do.

It’s actually very dangerous. There are very easily led types out there who will swallow any garbage from garbage media and act on it.

One has to wonder about why he hated British people so much - perhaps hate begins at home ?

We don't have any information to shed light on his life trajectory and if there is a Rwanda-Southport connection, but despite the distaste of many for the truth, the "butterfly effect" may be involved here, as we know from the survivors of the Holocaust that trauma is often passed down to succeeding generations. Whatever the facts that the government allows to be published, the emergent psychological profile of this young man should enrich our understanding of just how deep the interconnections of reality are.

Hawk, I admitted I was wrong about the religion of this attacker. 

Half marks. You said "first- and second generation Muslim immigrants"

As an aside, I disagree with the term 'second-generation immigrant.' For one thing, it's an incredibly broad brush. I'm a 'second-generation immigrant' but I feel absolutely no connection to the country my parents were from. And by the logic, I could describe someone as a '100th-generation immigrant' in order to justify my dislike of that person. It's pretty meaningless as a description, in my opinion.

That's enough. I'm not falling into the trap of apologising for everything just to appease a baying leftist mob who won't accept it anyway.

I don't believe I have stated my political stance. Just that people should wait for correct information before jumping to false conclusions. Anyway, I would have acknowledged and appreciated an apology, but I'm not entitled to one, so fair enough.

One has to wonder about why he hated British people so much - perhaps hate begins at home

Hate stems from many places.

However, although the perpetrator is of African origin we still do not know if any type of ideology played a part in the motive for the killings.

The police have not commented on this particular aspect yet.

As for the other post, I'm standing by it. Too bad if you don't like it.

Posts. But again, fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion, although your opinion wasn't what I was responding to. Just your false assumptions.

JimizoToday  11:03 am JST

Hawk, I admitted I was wrong about the religion of this attacker. That's enough. I'm not falling into the trap of apologising for everything just to appease a baying leftist mob who won't accept it anyway

What has ‘leftist’ got to do with it?

Claiming that a mass murderer is a member of a particular group without evidence isn’t a matter of left or right.

It’s just what honest people with basic decency don’t do. 

It’s actually very dangerous. There are very easily led types out there who will swallow any garbage from garbage media and act on it.

Demanding an apology for every perceived transgression is typical leftist behaviour, yet they rarely if ever apologise for mistakes they make themselves.

You yourself have been completely hoodwinked by garbage mainstream media on all sorts of topics such as health and the pandemic, yet have never admitted you've been wrong or apologised, so spare us the lecture.

Demanding an apology for every perceived transgression is typical leftist behaviour

For crying out loud…

This Is kindergarten stuff.

You yourself have been completely hoodwinked by garbage mainstream media on all sorts of topics such as health and the pandemic, yet have never admitted you've been wrong or apologised, so spare us the lecture

?

Clearly you have your own interpretation to the context of my reply to wallace,

I am in full agreement with questioning, provocation, courage to quote sometime speculative if assumptive media content engaging open debate reply.

I had been informed through relatives in the UK, of to the young man name, however I have studied finance law, to a degree to know never be subject to formal accusation of libel.

I have served early years, a finance economics research assistant end of Gordon brown government.

I learnt to structure my reports, my briefing carefully making sure misunderstanding/ misinterpretation avoid inadvertent incrimination.

I don't find you insufferable at all, an official response rarely relates to a full clear picture.

Setting aside the defendant nationality for a moment, or his parent status in the UK.

The Mother and Father on successful application for refugee status then final full residency will appear on a home office security watchlist data set.

That does not imply a terror or security risk.

I appear on a number of UK watch lists, associated with my businesses interests and tax visa status when I gave up my UK nationality applying for Japanese citizenship.

The difference and I suggest tragedy, is that Rudakubana mental health concerns could have allegedly contributed to the extreme acts of bloodshed to such venerable children were never acted upon in time to prevent such a devastating occurrence.

Nice cop out by Stahmer, calling people far right ie Nazis. How will his shambolic government deal with the knife crime perpetuated mostly by one ethnic group in the cities and the large scale child grooming by men of a certain religion?

We saw in Southend a few nights ago more of this type of horrendous activity in public areas in broad daylight.

Concentrating solely on rioters is a way of pushing these issues aside to appease his followers.

Nice cop out by Stahmer, calling people far right ie Nazis

By who? Starmer, Steve. PM of the UK.

I think calling out rightist trash smashing things up based on false reports is justified.

How will his shambolic government deal with the knife crime perpetuated mostly by one ethnic group in the cities and the large scale child grooming by men of a certain religion?

A bit early to call his government shambolic. It’s been in office for about 3 weeks. The UK had an election on July 4th you see.

He certainly faces challenges on these issues. You might be surprised to find that Brits are generally quite fair and will give his government a chance.

See how he does.

Hawk when this "horror" incident makes it way to court, Rudakubana  learned council will move heaven and earth to migrate, to negate any malice aforethought, for the jury to accept a partial defence to invoke involuntary manslaughter though diminished Intent/ "State of Mind".

Now if you think my reply was infuriating insufferable, then fasten your seat belts for the trial.

Hawk when this "horror" incident makes it way to court, Rudakubana learned council will move heaven and earth to migrate, to negate any malice aforethought, for the jury to accept a partial defence to invoke involuntary manslaughter though diminished Intent/ "State of Mind".

And if they can prove to the court that that's the case, he should be sentenced appropriately. Time will tell.

Nice cop out by Stahmer, calling people far right ie Nazis. How will his shambolic government deal with the knife crime perpetuated mostly by one ethnic group in the cities and the large scale child grooming by men of a certain religion?

Exactly. Unfortunately, as expected, the new UK government is as useless and self-serving as the previous one. The UK is on a terminal trajectory urged on by leftists.

Hawk please don't take my replies personally, I am clear that the information I rather foolishly took for granted to be fact, is speculative fictitious, am a little miffed that family was misinformed.

However this trail could well throw up a few nasty surprises for the families.

The state of his mental health could become centre stage to suggest a hearing to ascertain if Rudakubana is fit for trial. Which could mean months of expert study reporting.

Exactly. Unfortunately, as expected, the new UK government is as useless and self-serving as the previous one

Time for another election. This government has had nearly a month and there are still serious problems in the UK.

Where are all those houses they promised?

Why are there still murderers?

Still woke programs on TV too

Time for another election. This government has had nearly a month and there are still serious problems in the UK.

Precisely. A month is more than enough time to fix the problems of 14 years of conservative rule.

Exactly. Unfortunately, as expected, the new UK government is as useless and self-serving as the previous one. The UK is on a terminal trajectory urged on by leftists.

Tories have been in power for the last 14 years- Labor, 1 month.

Time for another election. This government has had nearly a month and there are still serious problems in the UK.

The last ones had 14 years to fix problems, instead they put sanctions on themselves with Brexit.

I hope the UK won't be stupid enough to give any shrift to their whining and complaining about how things are being done now. Can't be any worse than they were done for the past 14 years.

The UK is on a terminal trajectory urged on by leftists.

There they go again: "leftitis" on the brain seems to be reaching pandemic proportions on this and other threads. Let's just stay with the facts...

The UK is on a terminal trajectory urged on by leftists.

Fourteen years of conservative rule turned the UK into a shell of what it used to be.

It's the rightists that ruined the UK, not the left. The left weren't even part of the game while the country was ruined.

There are a small minority of thugs like the idiots in Southport but the idea that immigration is out of control in the UK is probably the majority opinion at the moment.

Most immigrants just want a better life but every time there is an incident like the murders in Southport many people ask is it worth the risk? Add to that the extra burden on the health service, schools and housing. What is the benefit for the native population?

The 17 year old will be marked for attack whether he ends up in prison or a secure mental hospital. I doubt very much that he will see his 30th birthday.

@Strangerland

The UK has mostly always had a vocal opposition which has had an effect on policy unlike some countries.

In this case that vocal opposition spent the past 14 years ruining the country in complete incompetence.

That doesn't leave their voice with any credibility.

The "far right" demonstrators are accused of stirring up racial hatred which is probably true for many of them. Another good way to stir up hatred is to enter a young girls dance class and kill children.

In this case that vocal opposition spent the past 14 years ruining the country in complete incompetence.

That doesn't leave their voice with any credibility.

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I would not put complete blame on them but with the Tories there has been too much complicity from Labour.

Fourteen years of conservative rule turned the UK into a shell of what it used to be.

It's the rightists that ruined the UK, not the left. The left weren't even part of the game while the country was ruined.

That wasn’t a conservative government, at all. The Tory party ceased to be conservative decades ago. And you appear to think the Labour party is “Left”?

Youre always prattling on about Right and Left. Youre way behind the times, my friend.

Fourteen years of Tory/Conservative party with Tory/Conservative policies running down the public services.

Tory U.K. Prime Ministers David Cameron, Theresa May, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss, and Rishi Sunak.

How 14 Years of Tory Rule Pushed UK Youth Into Poverty

Time Magazine

https://time.com/6992498/uk-election-tory-conservative-austerity-poverty/

The 17 year old will be marked for attack whether he ends up in prison or a secure mental hospital. I doubt very much that he will see his 30th birthday.

Or they could put in him in the same cell as Huw Edwards :-) The stuff of nightmares...

Or they could put him in the same cell as Huw Edwards :-) The stuff of nightmares...

Axel boyo, I think we are going to have a wonderful time sharing this cell together (and a few other things).

Or they could put in him in the same cell as Huw Edwards

Ah, that fine upstanding example of the woke BBC. You gotta love it!

Those that back the Prime Minister to the hilt despite the country being divided a few weeks into his tenure are deluded.

We already have riots due to his inability to see the seriousness of the issues. Thugs marauding seaside towns with machetes.

This all started with the Tony Blair policy of open borders to get cheap labour and increase the Labour vote, a plan he devised with his associates.

Starmer is being advise by Blair and will continue with his policies to betray the decent members of society

Starmer is being advise by Blair and will continue with his policies to betray the decent members of society.

New Labour. It stopped being the party for working people right there. We have “Labour” and “Tories” in name only. They are both on the same page.

Blair was a pretty damn good PM

He was pretty damn good at destroying the UK. Noticeably silent at the moment.

All the doom and gloom merchants going on about the country going to the dogs or the country being divided are not even living in the UK.

Keir Starmer appeared in Communist spy files after joining a Czechoslovakian work camp at the height of the Cold War. "Starmer had just completed a postgraduate law degree at Oxford University and was about to embark on his barrister training when he arrived for the two-week camp at the Czech-German border town of Cheb on August 16, 1986."

Keir Starmer was not an elected politician until 2015. In less than 10 years he became the PM.

Youre always prattling on about Right and Left

I find it’s you who is always prattling on about ‘leftists’.

New Labour. It stopped being the party for working people right there. We have “Labour” and “Tories” in name only

What policies would be true Labour and Tory policies?

The members of both parties have different visions of what their parties should be about. To simplify it, we have one nation Tories and the more rugged Thatcherite views. On the Labour side, we have the hard left types and the more pragmatic centrists.

Anyone with even a passing knowledge of UK politics has seen both parties shift within these visions over the decades.

You can settle this for us here.

Oh, when did the Tories stop being Tories? Give us a date.

Is Starmer a Russian agent?

Hysterical and unlikely.

You find its the right who get weak at the knees with the Russians in the modern world.

See Farage and Trump. They are like schoolgirls with a crush.

All the doom and gloom merchants going on about the country going to the dogs or the country being divided are not even living in the UK

I doubt some of them have ever set foot in it.

Information from podcasts has a way of showing itself.

More riots will be happening due to the inept government. Starker is even worse than Mrs May and Sunak, who are total buffoons.

More and more rivers of blood caused by mass immigration and ignoring the trouble that cáusese especially those from a certain religion who have some members behaving still in medieval ways.

Time to end this, a strong leader is required to find a solution to this problem.

He was pretty damn good at destroying the UK. Noticeably silent at the moment

Anyone with even a passing knowledge of UK politics knows that ex-PMs generally don’t weigh in too heavily after leaving office. One reason is they are usually ignored. How many UK PMs left the stage with the audience begging for more?

Heard many salvos fired and widely reported from John Major recently?

More riots will be happening due to the inept government. Starker is even worse than Mrs May and Sunak, who are total buffoons.

More and more rivers of blood caused by mass immigration and ignoring the trouble that causes, especially those from a certain religion who have some members behaving still in medieval ways.

Thank you for your prescient comment. I fear you will be proved right this weekend. These are not normal times.

More riots will be happening due to the inept government. Starker is even worse than Mrs May and Sunak, who are total buffoons

Missed,out Johnson,and,Truss.

Hard to imagine how anyone from the UK could make that omission. Worse than buffoons - made May and Sunak look serious.

Steve, this is a bit childish. An appalling mass murder took place and trash right idiots went berserk. Hard to pin blame on him when he’s only been in office for a few weeks.

I’m no big fan of Starmer ( not Stahmer ) but it comes across as a bit hysterical and partisan to judge him now.

Deep breaths. The walls aren’t closing in.

Thank you for your prescient comment. I fear you will be proved right this weekend. These are not normal times

Deep breaths. The walls aren’t closing in.

ffs

Keir Starmer and the Labour Party just won one of their biggest election wins and delivered a Tory defeat it has never experienced. They have only been in power for one month. You are already calling them an "inept government". It's worse than than May and Sunak.

JT does not know your IP address.

More and more rivers of blood are caused by mass immigration 

You need to get over the Enoch Powell rubbish.

The blood is not dry on the dead children but already people are posting conspiracy posts. It's like reading the RT.

My sympathy is with the families who lost loved ones or were victims of the attack. Also the community of people reeling from the shock.

When the attacker's family entered the UK Stamer wasn't even a politician. He can't be blamed for the attack.

You need to get over the Enoch Powell rubbish

I think it has done the rounds on rightwing North American podcasts.

Anyone from the UK would know referring to Powell as ‘Enoch’ is very dodgy. Even Farage steps back from that.

Maybe the likes of Katie Hopkins may have mentioned him on Twitter.

Either way, to be ignored. Unserious.

Enoch Powell was a racist and was thrown out of the Tory party. He was disemboweled.

Enoch Powell was a racist and was thrown out of the Tory party

Ted Heath disowned him. Maybe the hysterical morons would see him as Heath as a harbinger of ‘woke’.

I’m more inclined towards Labour but Heath was a decent type overall.

Good to remove idiotic partisanship from the argument like slamming Starmer for this.

Doesn’t even reach the level of childish.

would see him as Heath as a harbinger

would see Heath as a harbinger

The spreading of very dangerous fake info about the attacker being a Muslim and arriving last year on a boat is what is fuelling the hatred causing the attacks on the police and riots. Some don't care why they should riot.

One has to wonder about why he hated British people so much

You only have to look at yourself in the mirror to understand why he hated the British oldboy.

Since you are jobless you will have a lot of time figuring it out.

Enoch Powell was not a racist. He was a very intelligent politician who represented the majority view of his constituency. He argued against mass immigration as it would change the fabric of British society. He was right, it has. And now many of the native British still agree with his views.

All the doom and gloom merchants going on about the country going to the dogs or the country being divided are not even living in the UK.

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The UK has been violent for a long time.

Migrant crime and ethnic minority crime is a concern.

The indigenous population is not so meek either.

It is worse today.

This weekend will see more mayhem on the streets.

Serious violence fell substantially in England and Wales last year, a study has shown. Despite increases in the two previous years, the overall trend is for a long-term decline in serious violence, Cardiff University researchers found. The fall was driven by reductions among 18 to 30-year-olds, the work showed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68850952

Most crime has fallen by 90% in 30 years – so why does the public think it’s increased?

https://theconversation.com/most-crime-has-fallen-by-90-in-30-years-so-why-does-the-public-think-its-increased-228797

Enoch Powell was not a racist. He was a very intelligent politician who represented the majority view of his constituency.

From my point of view, he changed considerably following World War 2, probably when he didn't become the Viceroy of India. He seemed to have weird dreams of British imperialism. His joining the Ulster Unionist Party was the end. I think he had become a potentially dangerous nutcase.

The thugs and rioters who are attacking the police and police stations don't care that the Southport killer is not a Muslim. They still believe that.

Southport latest: 'Police station on fire' amid 'serious violence' in Sunderland as unrest continues

https://news.sky.com/story/southport-violence-stabbings-attack-riot-london-hartlepool-misinformation-sky-news-blogs-13186819

The thugs and rioters who are attacking the police and police stations don't care that the Southport killer is not a Muslim. They still believe that.

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The question is not if the suspect is a Muslim or not but whether he was radicalized or mentored to undertake infanticide.

The riots (ongoing) are much more of a reaction to other events only the Southport murders.

The first riot was in Leeds when the police removed two Roma children from a house of unrelated people and worried about their safety. There was a riot by the local people. July 24.

The Southport stabbings happened on July 29.