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UK to push at G-7 for global standard on 'vaccine passports'

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“there are deep and complex issues that we need to explore”

Yeah, like fundamental human rights.

Those always seem to get in the way of plans for a totalitarian global superstate.

-1 ( +21 / -22 )

Good timing, right after Kono said there wouldn't be any.

This is not a big deal. I fondly remember by little grey vaccination book that was required for foreign travel back in the day. Some of those shots were plenty painful though!

0 ( +11 / -11 )

it's simple, those without a vaccine passport need to test negative for the test before and after arrival at airports. come on, we all know that this will be coming so why not have a standardized model. it'll allow for a speedier return to air travel.

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After the fall, when 80% of the people in G7 countries have been vaccinated, travel between G7 countries should return to "wide open" and these travel controls will be meaningless.

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Yeah, like fundamental human rights.

Those always seem to get in the way of plans for a totalitarian global superstate.

I always wonder why you are so concerned about potential breaches of human rights in democratic countries, yet also spend so much time defending totalitarian dictatorships.

1 ( +16 / -15 )

Does one vaccination work for all strains? Are the tests showing any false positives?

7 ( +10 / -3 )

Yeah, like fundamental human rights.

And what "fundamental human right" would a paper showing you were vaccinated trample on, exactly?

4 ( +16 / -12 )

there are deep and complex issues that we need to explore”

Yeah, like fundamental human rights.

Sounds to me like you have a choice. The choice you make could have consequences.

Make your choice.

Those always seem to get in the way of plans for a totalitarian global superstate.

Delirium in the morning isn’t a good start to the day.

2 ( +13 / -11 )

By September, travel from Japan to Florida and from Florida to Japan will not have any more risk to the local population than travelling from Tokyo to Oita.

4 ( +6 / -2 )

Just be the yet-unvaccinated people tested prior to travel and, when possible, travel together in their transport

-3 ( +0 / -3 )

Yeah, like fundamental human rights.

Right. Your fundamental human right is to use your mental capacity and make decisions. You don't want to participate in this, because it's your fundamental human right violation? Fair enough, you absolutely don't need to get your jab, vaccine passport, whatever.

Oh, you want to use a service being offered by a private company, but they refused you? Well, they used their human right, you used yours. It's fair, no problem here.

Oh, you weren't allowed to enter a public/state property? They decided to protect the people who also used their fundamental human right and took part in your totalitarian superstate. You are free, they are sheeps. Whatever is fine with you, you made your decision.

And as a bonus, here is your aluminium hat.

4 ( +9 / -5 )

Passports, visas, restrictions, quarantines, etc will always be a requirement for international travel. @RobertCikki @10;16a has a point. For now, it’s still an individual choice. Concerning ‘freedom of individual thought@7:54a, we ‘always wonder why You are so concerned and spend so much time” going after individual comments and never really addressing ‘your own’ pro/com of any story presented? Isn’t that same type of totalitarianism you want to accuse @BurningBush of defending? We would think after 20 years experience here, people would be more insightful and tolerant that there will always be other opinions.

5 ( +6 / -1 )

I have an issue with these passports as they discriminate against those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons, or those who do not have the right technology.

2 ( +6 / -4 )

Impossible to a world wide vaccination passport. Some countries require a vaccination for the likes of Yellow Fever, but the number of countries are limited. People need to travel without one but can take a Covid test instead.

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Yeah, like fundamental human rights.

Those always seem to get in the way of plans for a totalitarian global superstate.

I always wonder why you are so concerned about potential breaches of human rights in democratic countries, yet also spend so much time defending totalitarian dictatorships.

brilliant!!

4 ( +8 / -4 )

GOP stans, 2015 to January 2020: Open borders are bad. People who aren't carrying the right papers should be incarcerated without trial and separated from their families.

GOP stans, now: I should be allowed to travel where I want when I want. Restrictions on travel is fascism.

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Respectfully, @AlyRustom 10:43a, can you clarify your “brilliant” opinion? To which “idea/opinion” are you referring: the ‘idealist’s’ cautionary advice” @6:54a or, theegoist’s condescension of other’s opinions’ @7:54 relative to the article?

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

There are already vaccination requirements in place for certain countries and public universities in the US. Don’t want to get vaccinated? That’s fine but you won’t be attending this university. That’s not an imposition on your human rights (and I 2nd those having a hardy har har at the guy who is the leading apologist for totalitarian dictatorships moaning about impositions on human rights.), it’s about public health.

I’ll go one step farther, beyond a certain date when everyone who wants a vaccine has gotten one; You want to attend a concert or a major sporting even? You need a ticket and proof of vaccination.

You want to attend public school (provided that the vaccine is proven safe for children) let’s see your proof of COVID vaccination in addition to your measles mumps and rubella vaccination.

Want any kind of public assistance? Let’s see your proof of vaccination. Don’t have one? No problem. We can vaccinate you right here on the spot while you fill out your paperwork.

Very simply put: this is a public health issue, not an individual rights issue. One is free to refuse the vaccine, but society is free to exclude said individual from participating in activities in which he/she could endanger public health.

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Great! I guess my children will never get to see their American cousins and grandparents again! Thanks NWO.

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

Will the vaccine passport last for a period of time that matched the effectiveness of the vaccine? How long will the vaccine be effective?

If I get a vaccine for the 'normal' coronavirus, will it be accepted if I go to a place with the (hypothetical) unique Japan variant? Will the Japanese immigration accept my 'normal' vaccine passport or will they insist on a unique Japanese variant vaccine passport as well?

4 ( +5 / -1 )

Will the vaccine passport last for a period of time that matched the effectiveness of the vaccine? How long will the vaccine be effective?

If I get a vaccine for the 'normal' coronavirus, will it be accepted if I go to a place with the (hypothetical) unique Japan variant? Will the Japanese immigration accept my 'normal' vaccine passport or will they insist on a unique Japanese variant vaccine passport as well?

Have you looked at the global standard, which is where the answers to your questions would lie?

Oh, wait,

UK to push at G-7 for global standard on 'vaccine passports'

-3 ( +3 / -6 )

I think the main issue here is cognitive difficulties. Those with them are often the most outspoken...

8 ( +8 / -0 )

And what "fundamental human right" would a paper showing you were vaccinated trample on, exactly?

The right to freedom of movement. If you don't think requiring a medical procedure to be allowed to leave a country is a violation of your rights, then you would have been fine living behind the Berlin Wall as well. Same thing, only one doesn't require walls - just the cooperation of neighboring countries.

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

commanteerToday 12:36 pm JST

The right to freedom of movement.........

You have the right to freedom of movement. Move as much as you want. And you have the right to be refused by other party/country for not complying with their requirement. I don't see problem with that.

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And what "fundamental human right" would a paper showing you were vaccinated trample on, exactly?

The right to freedom of movement.

Do you think showing papers to move between countries is a violation of freedoms?

If so, are you opposed to passports?

5 ( +8 / -3 )

I would like to know of a way to get my history of vaccines I have had from when I came to Japan with the state department as a GS13 in 1984. Anyone out here know?

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

The right to freedom of movement. 

Your right of freedom of movement is already severily hampered by all of the laws in each country you want to enter. You need a visa to enter Russia, even as a tourist. Why would a vaccine requirement make it any different?

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The last time I had a vaccine it caused a serious anaphylactic shock, completely unable to breathe and after a multitude of tablets I recovered.

The advice given was not to have a shot. I’m guessing there are others in the same predicament. I would have been happy to get a vaccination.

A compulsory passport is hardly a fair option.

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People's freedoms are being taken away and everyone seems happy about it. Governments forcing people to undergo medical procedures is overstepping their powers, I hope people stand against this! Although, I honestly doubt it, westerners have unfortunately lost their spine.

I guess my only international travel in the future will be to countries that do not force you to take that thing.

-4 ( +1 / -5 )

People's freedoms are being taken away

No they're not.

Governments forcing people to undergo medical procedures is overstepping their powers

Nobody's forcing you to do anything at this point.

5 ( +6 / -1 )

Great! I guess my children will never get to see their American cousins and grandparents again! Thanks NWO.

@whatsnext - I don't think that the NWO is to blame for your children's inability to travel - it is probably down to your irrational fear of vaccinations.

And I expect they will see their grandparents in due course.

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The right to freedom of movement. If you don't think requiring a medical procedure to be allowed to leave a country is a violation of your rights, then you would have been fine living behind the Berlin Wall as well. Same thing, only one doesn't require walls - just the cooperation of neighboring countries.

Passports and visas are hardly a new invention. I’m sure you’ve heard of them before.

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What are the children to do? Stay home alone? Under 16’s won’t be given the vaccination.

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

Bojo the tyrant at it again

0 ( +1 / -1 )

Under 16’s won’t be given the vaccination.

Yes they will, after mostly everyone else since they're less at risk.

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SandyBeachHeavenToday  01:38 pm JST

I would like to know of a way to get my history of vaccines I have had from when I came to Japan with the state department as a GS13 in 1984. Anyone out here know?

A person who was a GS13 in 1984 would not need to ask this question on an unrelated website. If they were a GS13 in 1984, they would know what to do and take the appropriate steps.

(Hint: It might involve contacting the State Department)

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 Although, I honestly doubt it, westerners have unfortunately lost their spine

So where are the places full of people with spines?

4 ( +4 / -0 )

Ok now you have to travel with a covid stamp in your passport

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

I, too, remember a time when one had to have certain vaccines in order to travel internationally. It is not a big deal.

Interestingly, the only segment of the American population that still thinks vaccines do not work are the conservatives.

2 ( +2 / -0 )

When I moved my kids to another country last year, I had to provide their vaccination history before they were admitted into the school system. Requiring vaccinations for various privileges is not unreasonable.

4 ( +4 / -0 )

Interestingly, the only segment of the American population that still thinks vaccines do not work are the conservatives

Science is now a political issue in the USA. Disputing established science and other facts from a position of ignorance is the only way to demonstrate that you are a true conservative.

3 ( +3 / -0 )

Interestingly, the only segment of the American population that still thinks vaccines do not work are the conservatives

To be fair, there are plenty of non-political non or anti-government people who are anti-vaxxers as well. But when talking about anti-vaxxers with a political ideology, for sure they are almost entirely conservatives.

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A country can refuse entry to non-citizens, but it cannot refuse entry to its own citizens returning.

An American family living in Japan who decide to forgo the vaccine for health reasons can not (should not) be denied entry back to their country of citizenship because their exercised their human rights.

In addition, it's important to note that it's not individual private companies initiating these restrictions, it's the government.

The government is formulating policies and forcing private companies to comply with them.

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Burning Bush

A country can refuse entry to non-citizens, but it cannot refuse entry to its own citizens returning.

They can and they do. Point in case, Brits who went to fight in Syria or young women who to Syria to become brides are now blocked from returning.

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because their exercised their human rights.

Not getting vaccinated is not a "human right", it's a prerogative. Stop trying to make your argument sound grandiose by invoking it.

The government is formulating policies and forcing private companies to comply with them.

What "private companies" are you talking about? In theory if you're stopped from entering a country, it will happen at the (airport) border of said country, so there's no private company involved.

3 ( +4 / -1 )

Not getting vaccinated is not a "human right", it's a prerogative.

I think they do have the right to not vaccinate. The general public should never be forced to inject something they don't want to.

No one is pushing for forced vaccinations though. They're just pointing out that others have the right to deny the non-vaxxed service. The weird thing is the anti-vaxxers are vehement that their rights should be respected, while equally vehement that the rights of others should be denied.

Which is why their argument is pretty ridiculous.

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I think they do have the right to not vaccinate. 

Vaccinations are like condoms. People can choose not to wear them and spread disease around, but it's not a "right", it's a prerogative. A selfish, dangerous one.

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prerogative

noun

an exclusive right, privilege, etc., exercised by virtue of rank, office, or the like: the prerogatives of a senator.

a right, privilege, etc., limited to a specific person or to persons of a particular category: It was the teacher's prerogative to stop the discussion.

In the end prerogatives are rights I guess.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

A lot of dramatic comments about human rights...not sure what human right will be impacted by having a vax and piece of paper in your passport......

1 ( +1 / -0 )

Expect to see millions of Japanese denied entry to many countries if the vaccine passport is accepted as the norm...

0 ( +0 / -0 )

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