Ukraine claims new gains in early phase of counteroffensive

This is just villages which are not near the dug in troops and fortified areas. A massive attack is needed not skirmishes on almost vacant villages with little or no relevance.

i wish both sides would sit done and have a gentlemen’s chat in good faith and sort this mess out before more innocents die.

If Putin was not dysfunctional,maybe he should of breach the dam while it was 2 degrees,it would of had a lasting impact,I am not advocating if what he supposely did ,but as long as this dysfunctional goes on ,thing like this will happen

The braggers claim anything to make themselves look good.

falseflagsteve

This is just villages which are not near the dug in troops and fortified areas. A massive attack is needed not skirmishes on almost vacant villages with little or no relevance.

For someone who doesn't care who wins, you seem to have a vested interest in minimising any gains that Ukraine makes.

Yrral

Ben Hodges is same dysfunctional delusional American that believe Ukraine will liberate Crimea by the end of 2023 Google Ben Hodges Crimea Liberation

And yet, Ben Hodges is a former commander of U.S. forces in Europe, and you aren't.

Territory is territory. No one can reasonably claim that the counteroffensive isn't happening now. Let's wait and see how it goes with the bigger skirmishes.

Everybody wishes they would talk and end this war. Only Ukraine has actually stated their vision for peace though.

This is just villages which are not near the dug in troops and fortified areas. A massive attack is needed not skirmishes on almost vacant villages with little or no relevance.

i wish both sides would sit done and have a gentlemen’s chat in good faith and sort this mess out before more innocents die.

The braggers claim anything to make themselves look good.

Reclaim*

2020

Just deals with facts on the ground mate. I an say massive gains and the Russians are capitulating because it’s untrue and I’m not a fibber.

Early days and a couple of villages in the contact zone have been taken, They have not yet penetrated the first defensive zone but any positive news by Ukraine will get headlines. Wait for the crickets if Russia retakes these villages or uses its artillery to flatten them in the next few days.

Keep on pushing! Once the terrorist front is punctured they are done!

Taiwan

Thats the spirit, stay positive regardless

The gains are small. No end of the war this year. 200 km to the Sea of Azov.

falseflagsteve

2020

Just deals with facts on the ground mate. I an say massive gains and the Russians are capitulating because it’s untrue and I’m not a fibber.

Nobody is saying that the Russians are capitulating, but the are retreating. The "almost vacant villages" are almost vacant because Russian troops have been threatened with encirclement and had to leave.

Yesterday they were talking about an advance of 300 - to 1500m. Today they are saying:

Maliar said troops had advanced a total of 6.5 km. "The area of the territory taken under control was 90 square kilometers," she said. Maliar added that the seven settlements were taken over the past week, without giving details of precisely when.

Now this hasn't been confirmed. But it would be foolish to say you have reclaimed land that you haven't because when Russians take photos with their flags there, you will be found to be lying.

Mr Kipling

Early days and a couple of villages in the contact zone have been taken, They have not yet penetrated the first defensive zone but any positive news by Ukraine will get headlines.

Actually they have penetrated the first defensive zone, because Russians have ben retreating.

2020

These are outposts with a handful of men defending, countryside with hardly any population. The real battle is when the Ukrainians get near to the defensive lines.

Once the main lines of Russian defense are pierced, there will be no reserve forces to flow to the break throughs I predict.

Much like the Hedgerows in Western France, once this fascist force is pushed out, it will most likely be Katie bar the door.

falseflagsteve

2020

These are outposts with a handful of men defending, countryside with hardly any population. The real battle is when the Ukrainians get near to the defensive lines.

They only have a "handful of men defending" because the Russians are retreating from their first line of defence. More importantly, Ukraine are claiming the heights to the west of these villages and claiming them without having to fight for them.

Pour it on ‘em, Ukraine!

Go Ukraine!

2020

Lets see eh? Nobody here is more privy to info that anyone else, except these are not what the Russians call w first line of defence. There’s no military hardware there and few men, mostly used for observation behind the dug in lines.

Insecure people should not fight wars ,or advocate policies that support wars ,that are a lost cause without an coherent resolution

So much for the superiority of Western armor.

Wait for the crickets if Russia retakes these villages or uses its artillery to flatten them in the next few days.

And wait for the Putin fans to move on to their next pathetic attempt to pretend everything is still going to Russian plans when they don’t, eh?

At the beginning of the war, Putin said it would all be over in three days.

Careful, I don't know if the Kremlin has admitted to these losses yet. Better not contradict them right?

Early days and a couple of villages in the contact zone have been taken, They have not yet penetrated the first defensive zone but any positive news by Ukraine will get headlines. Wait for the crickets if Russia retakes these villages or uses its artillery to flatten them in the next few days.

Now US reporters in mainstream media (i.e. state) publications are calling for tactical nukes to be delivered to the Ukraine. From this we can can gather two things:

一: The Ukraine and NATO by extension is losing badly.

二: Capitalism is USA and the state of USA economic power is even more rotten than the general public understands.

Haven’t seen anything about calls for tactical nukes being delivered to Ukraine. If it really suggest Ukraine and NATO by extension are losing badly, what did it suggest when Russia put them in Belarus? Russia losing badly so they need something to give them an advantage.

No, for Ukraine, not losing, but balancing the playing field.

Now US reporters in mainstream media (i.e. state) publications are calling for tactical nukes to be delivered to the Ukraine. From this we can can gather two things: 

一: The Ukraine and NATO by extension is losing badly. 

二: Capitalism is USA and the state of USA economic power is even more rotten than the general public understands.

Ah yes. When the actual facts don’t work for you, just make stuff up.

At the beginning of the war, Putin said it would all be over in three days.

No, he didn't. The only record of anyone saying that is USA, rainbow flag saluting general Milley. Senior NATO officials keep trying to make the Russians attack in a way NATO and the Russians keep ignoring them. I don't know why they bother.

The head of the Indian army wrote an interesting op-ed. He said NATO spent 8 years arming and training the Ukraine to defend against mass Russian armored columns looking to break through front lines and go deep into the country. He says the Russians basically flipped the chess board over rather than play and NATO had no back up plan.

No, he didn't. The only record of anyone saying that is USA, rainbow flag saluting general Milley. Senior NATO officials keep trying to make the Russians attack in a way NATO and the Russians keep ignoring them. I don't know why they bother.

Actually, Lukashenko said it.

Haven’t seen anything about calls for tactical nukes being delivered to Ukraine.

Then read the Wall Street Journal.

Ah yes. When the actual facts don’t work for you, just make stuff up.

https://www.aei.org/op-eds/can-biden-deter-a-russia-nuclear-attack-on-ukraine-yes-if-he-gives-ukraine-tactical-nukes/

https://tapnewswire.com/2023/06/neocon-escalation-tactical-nukes-to-ukraine-being-considered-lavrov-says-continental-us-could-expect-to-become-involved/

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2023/06/can-biden-deter-a-russia-nuclear-attack-on-ukraine-yes-if-he-gives-ukraine-tactical-nukes/

Whatever you say.

Then read the Wall Street Journal.

Is it the only one?

given Russia's numerical superiority in men, ammunition and air power, 

that’s odd, posters here been telling us the opposite of this nearly every day for a year.

Actually, Lukashenko said it.

He didn't. Borrell recently said it if the collective West stops arming and financing the Ukraine. That's probably accurate. Or 3 days might be too long.

Former US colonel Douglas McGregor said it's only a question of whether the collective West runs out of money or the Ukraine runs out of men first. The EU is officially in recession, the US is expected to follow very soon (while Russia is growing and that growth is picking up speed). While guys are literally being dragged off the streets in the Ukraine. So at this point, it seems like a close race.

said the main attack, when it came, would feature several hundred tanks and infantry fighting vehicles.

not if they keep losing this many already

Ukraine loses 16 US-made armored vehicles

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/12/europe/ukraine-offensive-battlefield-losses-progress-intl-hnk-ml/index.html

The Ukrainians' counter-offensive will soon make Russians pay a higher price for their aggression, but at a heavy cost to themselves: innocent young men will step up the pace of murdering each other in a slaughter called "war" just to feed the egos of corrupt old men with their disgusting lust for vain glory and immortality by inscribing their odious names in history. When will the world ever learn?

Russian general killed. More than 20 killed so far.

falseflagsteve

2020

Lets see eh? Nobody here is more privy to info that anyone else,

That seems unlikely.

except these are not what the Russians call w first line of defence.

Actually they are.

There’s no military hardware there and few men, mostly used for observation behind the dug in lines.

There's no military hardware and few men because the Russians have retreated - the definition of first line of defence.

You said mainstream media... This doesn't look like anything close to it.

Ah yes. When the actual facts don’t work for you, just make stuff up.

https://www.aei.org/op-eds/can-biden-deter-a-russia-nuclear-attack-on-ukraine-yes-if-he-gives-ukraine-tactical-nukes/

https://tapnewswire.com/2023/06/neocon-escalation-tactical-nukes-to-ukraine-being-considered-lavrov-says-continental-us-could-expect-to-become-involved/

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2023/06/can-biden-deter-a-russia-nuclear-attack-on-ukraine-yes-if-he-gives-ukraine-tactical-nukes/

Whatever you say.

Ah, there it is.

No, he didn't. The only record of anyone saying that is USA, rainbow flag saluting general Milley. Senior NATO officials keep trying to make the Russians attack in a way NATO and the Russians keep ignoring them. I don't know why they bother.

Wallace, would you defend America , against all enemies foreign and domestically,if not you are not a true American

The head of the Indian army wrote an interesting op-ed. He said NATO spent 8 years arming and training the Ukraine to defend against mass Russian armored columns looking to break through front lines and go deep into the country. He says the Russians basically flipped the chess board over rather than play and NATO had no back up plan.

That's why Russia faceplanted in front of Kiev for all to see, right? Sorry, but Javelins and helmets were part of nobody's defense plan.

90 square kilometers in a week? That’s 222 weeks to “get everything back” at that pace.

Sorry Sven, Lukashenko did say it. He said it in an interview with a Russian reporter in February 2022. He was talking about war between Ukraine and Belarus, not Russia, however he was implying that Ukraine is weak and would capitulate in a maximum of three to four days.

He’s probably feeling a bit silly now, as recently he’s had to attain guarantees from Putin that Russia would defend Belarus should the latter become involved.

I just hope the goodies win and the baddies lose.

The sooner the better.

The counteroffensive is not going well, Crimea is a long way away.

With the power of Ukrainian propaganda, Zelensky could be both the next head of NATO and the UN. Lots of posters here seem to wish this.

You said mainstream media... This doesn't look like anything close to it.

It was published at first by the "think tank" and then republished in the WSJ.

Sven

Now US reporters in mainstream media (i.e. state) publications are calling for tactical nukes to be delivered to the Ukraine.

But it's not reporters in MSM.

It's a single person from a think tank. Providing an opinion. That is probably not held by the State Department.

90 square kilometers in a week? That’s 222 weeks to “get everything back” at that pace.

90 square km in a week is way better than your side was able to manage in its much hyped winter offensive.

Your perception of speed seems to vary depending on whether the side you are rooting for is going forward or reverse.

The Ukrainian offensive 8 days on has been a disaster for the Ukrainians as it has been characterized by heavy losses, burning Leopard 2 tanks, and smoldering Bradleys. The offensive continues in the gray zone, still some 10 or so kilometers from Russia's first of three major defensive lines. With no air power or air defense to back up the offensive Ukraine has no chance. Instead they are pounded by Russian aviation, missiles, drones, and artillery, and let's not forget the minefields. Perhaps the Ukraine may be able to eke out some type of gain, a village here, another there, to show their masters in the West that they are worthy of security guarantees and another arms package. However, only when the West realizes that this war was lost long ago will they stop the funding that prolongs this war and the senseless deaths that go along with it.

Wallace....

At the beginning of the war, Putin said it would all be over in three days.

Often reported but completely untrue. The Russian leadership has not given a timescale but have laid out what they wish to achieve.