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Ukraine clings to Bakhmut; Blinken tells Lavrov U.S. will back Kyiv all the way

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Russia disgust me. I’m convinced that this will be the ruin of them. Putin doing his massacring. Shame on China and India too, for not standing up at the UN and saying very clearly that Putin is a sicko, and purely for their own political reasons. Sometimes for the sake of humanity, you put politics aside and you say what something is, clearly and strongly. So that we move into a better future without psychopaths like Putin

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I thought the FSB knowed how to kill,it obviously they only kill people in Western capital, Blinken is failure according to IG of Afghanistan,the Congress decide how long Ukraine will be backed

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Putin, in a televised address, called the action a terrorist attack and accused the group of opening fire on civilians in a car, including children.

This is the same thug and the same FSB that were caught blowing up apartment buildings in Moscow and blamed it on the Chechens to justify his second Chechen war.

So, boat load of salt….

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Ukrainian forces held out in the eastern city of Bakhmut against Russian attackers on Thursday, while the top U.S. diplomat told his Russian counterpart in their first face-to-face encounter since the invasion that the Kremlin must stop the war.

Yup. This is Russia's problem. They have lost the war, in terms of stated objectives, and must accept defeat. Now they are just fighting for a compromise and killing thousands of Russian soldiers in the process.

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Yrral

Congress decide how long Ukraine will be backed

Yup, and congress is overwhelmingly in favor of backing Ukraine until the end.

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Yup, and congress is overwhelmingly in favor of backing Ukraine until the end.

That's very charitable of congress; wondering when the end of Ukraine comes though.

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In videos circulating online, armed men calling themselves the "Russian Volunteer Corps" said they had crossed the border to fight "the bloody Putinite and Kremlin regime". Describing themselves as Russian "liberators", the armed men called on Russians to take up arms and rise up against the authorities. They denied firing on civilians.

In retrospect, it might not have been such a good idea to give everyone in the Dombas, Russian passports.

The FSB security service said in an initial statement that the army and FSB were trying to liquidate "an armed group of Ukrainian nationalists" who had crossed the border.

They are calling themselves Russians. And they have the passports to prove it.

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RKL

Yup, and congress is overwhelmingly in favor of backing Ukraine until the end.

That's very charitable of congress; wondering when the end of Ukraine comes though.

When Putin retreats with his tail between his legs. ;-)

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All power to the brave Ukrainian troops defending their families and friends homes and nation against bullying, land-grabbing fascist Russia.

That's very charitable of congress; wondering when the end of Ukraine comes though.

Ukraine will never give up their nation - and why should they roll over to a fascist bully?

Keep putting those invaders in body bags.

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That's very charitable of congress; wondering when the end of Ukraine comes though.

Unfortunately for you, not any time soon it seems. Annoying eh.

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That's very charitable of congress; wondering when the end of Ukraine comes though.

We’ll all have been dead for generations before that happens.

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Different Congress, different year, different party,yes Ukrainain are in a bind,but their suffering, should not be any special than others

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The US, the free world, many indvidiuals ....

....... With Ukraine,

all the way,

for as long as it takes,

and even beyond that!

Ukraine prevails!

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"Sooner or later, we will probably have to leave Bakhmut. There is no sense in holding it at any cost," Ukrainian lawmaker Serhiy Rakhmanin said late on Wednesday. The aim was to "inflict as many Russian losses as possible".

No no no, the super strategic, impenetrable salt mines that enable attacks anywhere inside Ukraine are super strategic and must be kept at all cost!!! Or something.

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"Sooner or later, we will probably have to leave Bakhmut. There is no sense in holding it at any cost," Ukrainian lawmaker Serhiy Rakhmanin said late on Wednesday. 

So they are not clinging on to Bakhmut as the headline says. There is no sense in holding it.

No reinforcement troops from the West. Just arms they want to sell and money which they can just print.

Zelensky is asking for more help. If you want to help Ukraine, why not do more?

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Not long now until there is a massive retreat by the Ukraine military. They are untrained to use any hardware recently given to them by the West, they need to hold firm or be decimated.

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Falseflagsteve,

once again, let me do some minor editing:

"Not long now until there is a massive retreat by the Russian military. They are untrained to use any hardware recently given to them by China and some others, they need to hold firm or be decimated."

There you go. As I said, just some minor editing.

Ukraine prevails!

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Ukraine clings to Bakhmut.

Not exactly, more like Ukraine now encircled at Bakhmut. At least 8,000 Ukrainian fighters are now going to chance an escape through Russian held territory, surrender or die. There are reports from credible sources of Ukrainian mutiny in Bakhmut as the soldiers themselves didn't want to be sacrificed for no reason. They should have pulled out long ago.

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Ok,are you an American, American in general do not like foreigner, telling how too spend their money

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I saw on the news the other day about how Russia was kidnapping Ukraine's children and brainwashing them to be good little Putin followers. Disgraceful.

The Russians are doing things the Nazis would have done during WWII.

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Mr. Kiling,

yes, there is just one road left (at this time) to supply Ukrainian troops or for retreat.

The ones being sent to the frontlines, being sent thru the meat-grinder, refusing to fight, killing their "superiors", however, are Russians and Wagnerites.

But I agree, it makes no sense to hold on to Bakhmut, it will be returned to Ukraine anyways sooner than later.

Ukraine prevails!

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Today’s edition of “THIS TIME, the Russians are serious, I swear!”

Not long now until there is a massive retreat by the Ukraine military.

To their fortified lines, pre-dug with interlocking fields of fire and C3 intact? THAT “massive” retreat?

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saw on the news the other day about how Russia was kidnapping Ukraine's children and brainwashing them to be good little Putin followers. Disgraceful.

The Russians are doing things the Nazis would have done during WWII.

Poor little thing! Do u still believe such tales? what kind of idiots does your propaganda hold you for! it only speaks of your inability to think

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2020

Not sure you are right. Bakhmut has been a strategic disaster for Ukraine. Lost 10's of thousands of troops to masses artillery etc. There is little evidence of huge Russian losses. Its a shame, but I think that Russia is gradually destroying Ukraine's ability to keep fighting and therefore their ability to negotiate some kind of acceptable peace. Western rhetoric on this is not helping and in the meantime Ukraine is bleeding. Money and equipment will not be enough.

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Ukraine prevails!

How is it? Russia has retaken 20 percent of the territory. She is rebuilding destroyed cities on this territory, building excellent roads. Russia is building the Tavrida 2 highway! Haven't you heard? And it means that Ukraine prevails?

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in WW2 Goebbels propaganda said that wehrmacht doing strategical retreat,first time from Moscow,than,Stalingrad,than Kursk,Than Leningrad.all us know reality was a bit different...

UA one doing same thing-every day new victories over Russia but reality....well I know common sense have to go away since line "how to do it" is marked already.

Peace will prevail at the end.Blinken will get it one day too,unfortunatelly by than much more people will die-just in name of US interests...sad

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There are reports from credible sources of Ukrainian mutiny in Bakhmut 

Interesting. Do you have any links to these 'credible sources'?

Because Mr Google doesn't seem to have heard of any 'Ukrainian mutiny' in Bakhmut or anywhere else.

Not since the 1944 revolt of Ukrainian troops who left the SS to join the French Resistance.

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Robert N

2020

Not sure you are right.

About what? What comment of mine are you referring to?

Bakhmut has been a strategic disaster for Ukraine. Lost 10's of thousands of troops to masses artillery etc. There is little evidence of huge Russian losses.

Do you have sources? Common sense alone contradicts you. Russia have been attacking Bakhmut since July last year. Attacking forces suffer higher casualties, so if Ukraine has lost 10,s of thousands then Russia has lost 20's of thousands.

Its a shame, but I think that Russia is gradually destroying Ukraine's ability to keep fighting and therefore their ability to negotiate some kind of acceptable peace.

Evidence? Look at Vuhledar. Russia has lost at least 130 tanks and armoured personnel carriers in a three-week battle in that town. Ukraine's ability to keep fighting is alive and well.

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When Putin retreats with his tail between his legs. ;-)

Probably not until he dies then

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2020

That Russia have lost the war.

Also they wont suffer high casualties from bombarding the place. The "human wave" trope is just that. No evidence for it.

Russia has thousands of tanks and the like. Losing 130 is not meaningful.

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Ah yes, Telegram….

That fountain of truth and authenticity.

Well, what to do :) In your world of freedom of speech and thought, this is a ray of truth. It's sarcasm, you know. If seriously, telegram very quickly eliminates fakes, the Russians themselves will not tolerate it. But u like more unkillable fakes in your "reliable sources"

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Go to read russ telegram

Sorry kuku, you obviously misunderstood me. Perhaps I wasn’t clear. I asked for credible sources.

I’m sure Mr Kipling will be able to come up with some exceedingly credible sources. No hurry.

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Robert N

2020

That Russia have lost the war.

You missed out , in terms of stated objectives, 

So Putin's stated objectives are regime change (get rid of Zelensky and replace him with a puppet), and demilitarization of Ukraine. I would say that both of those aims are now unachievable. Therefore, Putin has lost the war. All he is fighting for now are the Dombas and the other supposedly annexed oblasts.

Also they wont suffer high casualties from bombarding the place.

But that's not what they were doing. Sure both sides are using artillery, but Russia are using a quarter of the artillery daily that they previously used earlier in the war.

The "human wave" trope is just that. No evidence for it.

Not sure what you mean, but there is evidence for Russia making gains and then being pushed back. This isn't just an artillery battle - Russia can't afford to rely on that tactic anymore.

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Well, what to do :) In your world of freedom of speech and thought, this is a ray of truth.

You do realize it’s just a flat 50 Kopecks, right?

Telegram “a ray of truth”

You should charge extra for that one. It made me giggle.

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I’m sure Mr Kipling will be able to come up with some exceedingly credible sources. No hurry.

U may not wait, in the "credible" ones there was nothing about it:))))

Better tell me, do u consider the article worthing trusting?

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Russia has thousands of tanks and the like. Losing 130 is not meaningful.

Actually Russia HAD around 3,000. Now it’s got about 1/2 of that. The rest being destroyed captured or abandoned (and then captured.)

The remaining museum pieces have been sitting in the open in Siberia, no fluid checks, rusting, with obsolete armor and targeting sites.

So losing 130 in a couple of days?

Yeah, that’s bad.

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Robert N

2020

Russia has thousands of tanks and the like. Losing 130 is not meaningful.

It's meaningful in the way that they lost them. It was a rout and Z milbloggers in Russia were furious at the incompetence of the commanders.

And it shows that Ukraine are very capable of fighting effectively against Russian forces.

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Kuku,

before you start spreading fake news and / or Russian propaganda:

"it only speaks of your inability to think"

I can assure you that Ukrainian children have been abducted (the German Nazi-style) by Russia and brought to areas as far as Siberia (according to some persons I'm in contact with in that general area). Being told their parents died or didn't want them anymore, being "re-educated" and brainwashed.

Ukraine pevails!

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russia has impaled its self since June, suffering huge loss of life and equipment to take a strategically irrelevant town, which it still hasn’t taken. The reason Ukraine has held on is both to deny poo tin a propaganda victory while bleeding the russian army.

How long will the subject peoples of the russian empire go on dying for poo tin before they revolt, how long will the russian people suffer for his ego?

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asked for credible sources.

Ok now tell us what is a credible source? One you agree with?

A western media? The Ukrainian government? The USA government? The EU?

Let me remind all here that 90% of what the western governments and western news is as much propaganda as anything coming from Moscow.

Remember old equipment? Nope, remember poorly trained? Nope, remember our of ammunition in March no, April oh no, June nope out in July, August September October November December, etc...

Nothing either side says can be trusted.

Ukraine is claiming it is killing 8 to 10 Russian for every Ukrainian no Bakhmut, but Even the most optimistic western military analysis says at best it could be 1 to 1 but it is closer to 4 Ukrainian for every Russian only because the Ukrainian are heavily out gunned.

The reality is Ukraine cannot sustain the present loses and cannot replace what it is losing, Russia by sheer numbers can, Ukraine depends on outside equipment, all repairs needed to be done outside and by countries not ready or willing to move to a war economy, that Tanks from the USA will take months, once damaged will somehow need to be shootout on Ukraine to be fixed

Russia is on war production it can replace and repair domestically.

Now let the name calling Begin but these are the facts and reality.

Ukraine is never going to move Russia out of Crimea as is now the goal the USA new strategy of regime change in Russia is insanity, how well have the regime changes done by the USA gone in the past.

Russia doesn't have a good record on a "better" leader following a bad one ( thing Tsar, Lenin, Stalin) so are you willing to flip the coin the next person won't be worse. The idea of breaking up Russia great not half a dozen small nutcases each with Nukes because now no one will give them up if they break from Russia.

I know reality isn't pretty but the reality is that in the 1000 years or more in the past 500 years in particular, all wars in Europe have ended with territories changing hands borders shifting and people moving from on side to the other.

Time to face reality

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can assure you that Ukrainian children have been abducted (the German Nazi-style) by Russia and brought to areas as far as Siberia (according to some persons I'm in contact with in that general area). Being told their parents died or didn't want them anymore, being "re-educated" and brainwashed.

what should the Russians have done with the children whose parents died? Leave them hungry and cold on the street? Second question: what do you mean by the words "brainwashing"? I will say for myself: thank God that they will go to a normal school, where they will be allowed to speak their native language. In addition, there are a lot of people in Russia who are ready to adopt them. And the third: how are your friends connected with those children if they are kept in closed institutions? "One woman said"?

you'd better tell to the beaumonde why Ukrainians started forming battalions with teenagers? Not just ordinary teenagers from the street, but teenagers already pumped up with Nazi ideology? Never heard?

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Antiquesaving

Even the most optimistic western military analysis says at best it could be 1 to 1 but it is closer to 4 Ukrainian for every Russian only because the Ukrainian are heavily out gunned.

Nope.

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Kuku,

it makes no sense trying to have a meaningful discussion with someone who just denies everything, even if it's so obvious!

Maybe you want to check the international news, maybe you want to check human rights group's comments, maybe you want to avoid Russian propaganda - but it's just all "maybe"!

And maybe you want to tell us where your information comes from, besides TASS, Russian telegram and alike.

Ukraine prevails!

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Putin has been flooding the west with false war information about what is happening in Ukraine like claiming NATO has used chemical weapons and the west is preparing nuclear weapons.

Meanwhile, tens of Russian citizens are being given prison terms for speaking out against Putin's war.

"A Ukrainian withdrawal from Bakhmut - the focal point of the eastern front - is on the table if necessary, but reinforcements are arriving, according to a military official."

"Eastern Operational Command spokesman Serhiy Cherevaty said on TV that "if a tactical action needs to be made, it will be made," but "as long as the command sees that it makes sense to keep a certain settlement, it will be fought for", reported Ukrainian local media Kyiv Independent and New Voice."

"Reserves are set to arrive with new equipment which will make it much easier to "throw the enemy out of our land", he said."

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-ukrainian-commander-warns-bakhmut-situation-very-tense-russia-ally-visiting-china-today-12541713

0 ( +7 / -7 )

2020

I have no special knowledge beyond what is being reported on both sides.

However the fact that we are constantly being told Ukraine will win while the actual tide of the war appears to be going against them does seem relevant.

Also you say "stated objectives". Not sure where Putin said he wanted regime change or to conquer all of Ukraine.........

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Stay strong, defenders of Ukraine!

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Ukraine prevails!

true. All the women fled to Europe and either marry rich westerners or became sex workers. The rich men are living it up in the Mediterranean Riviera or Five star resorts in Egypt. The connected inside circle are getting paid billions and billions in “wages” that Biden administration refuses to audit, and according to Europol and Interpol, up to 60% of miliatry free aid is being sold on the black market to Africa, Middle East and South east Asia.

Meanwhile Ukrainian male civilians a frogmarched off to the front lines

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Rodney,

to you, too, the same. Just some minor editing:

*Most of the Russian conscripts fled to Europe. The rich oligarchs kids are living it up in the Mediterranean Riviera or Five star resorts in Egypt. The connected inside circle are getting paid billions and billions in “wages” that Putain's administration refuses to audit. Meanwhile Russian male civilians a frogmarched off to the front lines.*

Well, just some minor stuff, as I said.

Ukraine prevails!

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And maybe you want to tell us where your information comes from, besides TASS, Russian telegram and alike.

How can I (or any one) believe your "credible sources" if they don't use both sides information? How can I believe this article if it doesn't tell that the apartment block in Zaporozhje was destroyed not by rus rocket but by a rocket of Ukr air defense!!! Why don't your correspondents appear in Donetsk? What to do if your info garbage carry a lot of lies and never use both sides information

-8 ( +6 / -14 )

Maybe you want to check the international news, maybe you want to check human rights group's comments, maybe you want to avoid Russian propaganda - but it's just all "maybe"!

What your human rights groups tell about Donetsk being bombed every day by ukrs with AMERICAN guns?

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Robert N

2020

I have no special knowledge beyond what is being reported on both sides.

However the fact that we are constantly being told Ukraine will win while the actual tide of the war appears to be going against them does seem relevant.

I don't know of any reporting that says Ukraine will win. But I will also say that the actual tide of the war doesn't appear to be going against them. Sure they will probably lose Bakhmut, but for a non-strategic town that Russia has been battling for 8 months doesn't seem like a big win. And for what it cost them, probably a loss.

Also you say "stated objectives". Not sure where Putin said he wanted regime change or to conquer all of Ukraine.........

Have a read:

https://tass.com/russia/1408629

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https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-ukrainian-commander-warns-bakhmut-situation-very-tense-russia-ally-visiting-china-today-12541713

Is it a credible source? That one that told about Ukranien-Finland board? Ню-ню:))))

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Kuku,

What your human rights groups tell about Donetsk being bombed every day by ukrs with AMERICAN guns?

Maybe you forgot that Donetsk is

*"... an industrial city in eastern Ukraine ..."*

and

"pro-Russian activists seized control of Donetsk and declared the "Donetsk People's Republic", asking for Russian intervention."

in addition

"..... the EU and US stated that the polls were illegal."

lastly

*"On 30 September 2022, Putin signed a decree claiming to annex four regions, including Donetsk, as part of Russia. This annexation has been seen by the global community as a breach of international law."*

Guess it's nt that difficult to understand why Ukrainian forces do all they can to regain their and free the land that belongs to Ukraine.

Ukraine prevails!

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US can pull off his customary pro-democracy skit, but ultimately runs away when the ship begins to sink..

On the contrary, Russia will not abandon the Russian people in eastern Ukraine, Russia will not lose this war..

Artyomovsk (real name for Bakhmut) will be liberated very soon..

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At this point there is no way for the Ukrainian side to prevail in Bakhmut. They should either give up and surrender while they still have a chance, or they will die.

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ok1507, I know all the delusion. But the question is different: why your media don't appear in Donetsk to cover the situation? Is the city occupied or not occupied by the enemy, no matter. No interest in how Ukraine bombes hospitals, schools, zoo? There are no military, only children, old people (most men are fighting far from the town). U don't want to know it?

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2020hindsights

Today 10:28 am JST

Again reality.

So on February 18 2023 the Whitehouse claimed 90% of Wagner troops had been killed especially around Bakhmut.

Now think about that 90%!

But we know that Wagner is the group doing most of the advancement on Bahkmut.

So since Feb 18 Wagner has advanced to the point of taking 2 more towns and are about to cut off the last remaining road into Bahkmut.

So either the remaining 10% of Wagner are the most amazing soldiers, or the Ukrainian defenders are the most incompetent soldiers, something for the Whitehouse claims which echo Ukrainian government claims don't add up.

The reality is Ukraine is now playing the end of WW2 game, moving no existing troops saying "we are sending XYZ group/battalion to reinforce this or that area, but the troops of XYZ battalion are posting on social media they are only a few dozen left,

So in many cases Ukraine is moving troops on paper that do not exist.

This information is available if you look beyond the MSM and Russian propaganda.

Wagner "mercenaries" as the west calls them but they are nearly all actually Russians as opposed to "international volunteers" fighting for Ukraine ( we used to call these people mercenaries) once the article says these things it is propaganda one side or the other.

Wagner has been pushing forward with Russian regulars doing the clean up and occupation.

But again reality, Ukraine is losing more men than Russia even the Ukrainians admit they are rationing ammunition, so it is a stretch to think that the one rationing ammunition are actually killing more people.

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Raw Beer

Today 11:33 am JST

At this point there is no way for the Ukrainian side to prevail in Bakhmut. They should either give up and surrender while they still have a chance, or they will die

The USA Media has been reporting for weeks the USA military advisers have told Ukraine to withdraw from Bakhmut.

Problem is the Ukrainian side is not being lead by the military but by politicians.

So basically military both the USA and Ukraine wanted to pull out.

Seems the Whitehouse and Zelensky and his cronies are the ones that said no.

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What kind of cowardly traitor supports Putin ?

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This claim is laughable. Anyone believing Ukrainian losses are larger than those of Russia (you know, the ones invading heavily fortified positions) is severely deluded.

Ukraine is claiming it is killing 8 to 10 Russian for every Ukrainian no Bakhmut, but Even the most optimistic western military analysis says at best it could be 1 to 1 but it is closer to 4 Ukrainian for every Russian only because the Ukrainian are heavily out gunned.

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Antiquesaving

So either the remaining 10% of Wagner are the most amazing soldiers, or the Ukrainian defenders are the most incompetent soldiers, something for the Whitehouse claims which echo Ukrainian government claims don't add up.

You do realize that there is Wagner, and then there is ex-prisoners working for Wagner. They have been throwing the ex-cons into the meat grinder with a high casualty rate and when they find weaknesses, the real Wagner troops take over.

So it does add up.

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Antiquesaving

But again reality, Ukraine is losing more men than Russia

Nope.

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Clip,this is a war to protect White European Supremacy,the majority of world say European are their just desserts, people in Las Americas,the Carribean and other lands around the world say European are reaping what they sowed,and should ask the rest of the world for sympathy for their poor judgement,this war will drive Biden support down as long as he supports by minorities,who do not support Ukraine aid

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The leader of the Wagner group posted photos of tens of his troops dead and blamed Putin for the lack of ammo and support.

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The Wagner Group uses convicts. Not professionally trained, just canon fodder.

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Sorry, Russians and friends, Ukraine will not be surrendering today.

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2020hindsights

Today 12:27 pm JST

Antiquesaving

> But again reality, Ukraine is losing more men than Russia

> Nope.

Well it seems the BBC, NY Times, Washington Post, etc... All agree Ukraine has lost more men killed.

So it isn't just me go argue with them.

Now I know one here will Google for hour looking for some article to post saying differently so I will help Forbes is one of the few claiming more Russians killed with it claiming 2 to 3 times what all the other western news organizations claim.

Facts for the western media say Ukraine has lost more,.

This is what they admit image the actual numbers are far more lopsided with the Ukrainian losses even worse.

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AS - links to the BBC, NYT, and WAPO articles stating this?

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Antiquesaving

Facts for the western media say Ukraine has lost more,.

No they don't.

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By the way, somebody mentioned Russia reconstructing, rebuilding,

everything looking so nice (and not to forget that so-called liberation).

Maybe you want to check this video:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1631469496710963200

This is Mariupol, currently under Russian occupation!

Ukraine prevail

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Threaten to cut of Aid, weapons, reconstruction money, etc....

That doesn't make sense at all.

So America threatens to cut aid, weapons & reconstruction if Ukraine accepts a peace plan.

If they accepted the peace plan they wouldn't have needed any of those things. And those same threats obviously aren't working for the current siege. Wanna have another go?

Possibly you are hearing hooves and thinking of something else. Some kind of striped equine maybe.

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*ok 1517 *Ukraine prevails!

like I said ... if they do, they will prevail over a BIG pile of rubble and shattered populace.........Ukraine go neutral and start talking peace.

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japancat

Ukraine go neutral and start talking peace.

They have been, since day one. But Putin refuses to leave.

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C'mon, if this were true, Russia would have conquered all of Ukraine by now.

Well it seems the BBC, NY Times, Washington Post, etc... All agree Ukraine has lost more men killed.

So it isn't just me go argue with them.

Now I know one here will Google for hour looking for some article to post saying differently so I will help Forbes is one of the few claiming more Russians killed with it claiming 2 to 3 times what all the other western news organizations claim.

Facts for the western media say Ukraine has lost more,.

This is what they admit image the actual numbers are far more lopsided with the Ukrainian losses even worse.

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Food for thought, no agenda except peaceful resolution!

1) Much of world views Russia as war monger barbaric invasion force committing war crimes, terrorism etc.

Eg. Russia's invasion of Crimea in 2014 was not legal

2) Much of world views ethic Russians living in Ukraine as targets of Ukrainian Govt. sanctioned genocide and NATO using Ukraine to conduct proxy war against Russia

Eg. EU officially admonished present Ukrainian Govt. numerous times for 'anti-democratic' behavior towards their ethnic Russian Ukrainian citizens, including damaging property and voting rights etc.

No middle ground folks, both sides REALLY believe they stand on 'high/morale' ground etc. Support for this 'war'/'special operation' VERY high within both countries

Like ANY complex difficult conflict, both sides have at some merits, rather than continue to just talk past each other, reasonable rational compromise urgently needed otherwise true costs to EVERYONE Globally will continue to dangerously increase senselessly!

Nuff said, please no HATE, love and peace are the true answers!

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"We must continue to call on Russia to end its war of aggression and withdraw from Ukraine for the sake of international peace and economic stability," Blinken told the meeting

Too late. Russia officially adopted four new regions (Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, Zaporozhye) and there is no turning back.

Ukraine made a very big mistake ignoring minsk agreement.

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Did anyone else watch the interview with the Wagner founder over the weekend?

The interesting question for me was "When will the war end?"

His answer....

To secure the Dombas... Two years... If we go all the way to the Dneiper river and Odessa.... At least three.

This won't be ending anytime soon.

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