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Ukraine, Israel aid advances in rare House vote as Democrats help Republicans push it forward

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By STEPHEN GROVES, LISA MASCARO and KEVIN FREKING

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Good news. Hope JD Vance doesn’t derail it in the Senate.

Still wonder why some Republicans oppose Ukraine aid so much.

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316-94. These 94 are the opposite of patriots and a clear minority. They should be dispensed with.

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Sorry isolationist know-nothings. You lose.

Golly, I guess there was a reason they didn’t want this bill to come up for a vote…

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“I definitely sense that there’s a souring to Republican leadership,” 

What leadership? Petty infighting and achieving nothing. Voters will show them the door in November.

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Still wonder why some Republicans oppose Ukraine aid so much.

Because Zelensky didn't bow to Trump's pressure to try to dig up dirt on Biden to help Trump in the election.

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Interesting to see Congress work how it's supposed to - bipartisan. For once, Mike Johnson actually is leading - he gathered the support he needed in the face of opposition, and created a bipartisan agreement.

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Because Zelensky didn't bow to Trump's pressure to try to dig up dirt on Biden to help Trump in the election.

That’s my take.

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Republicans also voted for it 3-1. Why this minority can't form a MAGA-Loser party and be safely ignored is a mystery.

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“This is reflective of the controversy in the country: 

The opposition to most things USAmerican comes from the head of the Republican Party, the cheating golfer, who along with his media and followers couldn't care less about the problems he's creating for the country and the majority of its citizens, excluding the billionaires US and foreign, who want him back in power so they can pay even less in taxes, he has shown he cares mostly about further undermining US systems in his ongoing attempts to fatten his bank account and get someone else to pay his mounting legal fees.

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The opposition to most things USAmerican comes from the head of the Republican Party,

Yes, as it should.

the cheating golfer, who along with his media and followers couldn't care less about the problems he's creating for the country

Wrong again as usual, we care, but we care about our country first, that is the big difference, so if it causes problems for the rest of the world, oh well...such is life.

and the majority of its citizens, excluding the billionaires US and foreign, who want him back in power so they can pay even less in taxes,

But we pay more taxes overall because we have more disposable income

he has shown he cares mostly about further undermining US systems in his ongoing attempts to fatten his bank account and get someone else to pay his mounting legal fees.

Yeah, you really need to stop listening to msnbc not helping....seriously...

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bass4funkToday 07:35 am JST

Wrong again as usual, we care, but we care about our country first, that is the big difference, so if it causes problems for the rest of the world, oh well...such is life.

You live in the world and consume resources from outside the US. I know this upsets your City on a Hill teachings but Reagan would be appalled at MAGA surrender to our adversaries.

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You live in the world and consume resources from outside the US.

As well as inside, I have a house in the States.

I know this upsets your City on a Hill teachings

Nothing upsets me on this site, I don't know you.

but Reagan would be appalled at MAGA surrender to our adversaries.

No, I don't think so, but it is a different time, century and Reagan was deeply committed to the US, but since 2008 we haven't sold out the country as we are doing now, and people are tired of that, and thank God waking up.

On a side note, Kennedy would be rolling in his grave if he knew how Marxist his party had become

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With rare bipartisan momentum, the House pushed ahead Friday on a foreign aid package of $95 billion for Ukraine, Israel

Today's Special Feature: The Warmongering MIC Uniparty Puppet Show!

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bass4funkToday 07:45 am JST

You live in the world and consume resources from outside the US.

As well as inside, I have a house in the States.

Doesn't change the fact that an intelligent patriot worries about what goes outside the US.

but Reagan would be appalled at MAGA surrender to our adversaries.

No, I don't think so, but it is a different time, century and Reagan was deeply committed to the US, but since 2008 we haven't sold out the country as we are doing now, and people are tired of that, and thank God waking up.

There are legitimate grievances with things and there is shooting your coffee pot with your firearm because it is talking back to you.

On a side note, Kennedy would be rolling in his grave if he knew how Marxist his party had become

So Marxist they did nothing for the poor according to you, didn't forget about the Russian menace because of a flag change, and are onboard with banning Tik Tok? Maybe the Donald is the real Marxist here.

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Doesn't change the fact that an intelligent patriot worries about what goes outside the US.

I think you are more intelligent worrying about what happens to your country domestically as a patriot.

There are legitimate grievances with things and there is shooting your coffee pot with your firearm because it is talking back to you.

What? Huh?

So Marxist they did nothing for the poor according to you,

Yes, robbing Paul to give to Peter.

didn't forget about the Russian menace because of a flag change, and are onboard with banning Tik Tok? Maybe the Donald is the real Marxist here.

No, but China is since they own it.

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Eastman, Russian have started using guided bombs that can be dropped 25 miles on Ukraine fortifications the

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how can you enjoy prolonging conflict by this move?

If Russia doesn't want the conflict to continue anymore, you are welcome to go home, and stop fighting. No one is stopping you. In fact, everyone wants you to go home. So yeah, the only prolonging of the war is by Russia.

Until then, all Russian soldiers must die in Ukraine, and no one will shed a tear other than their mothers in Russia. Not even Putin.

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Very good IMO. But I don't think it's enough for Ukraine to win. And I'm sure Trump won't support it if he wins. Meanwhile Russia's oil exports allow them to fund the war indefinitely. This is temporary relief. And the US is against Ukraine attacking Russia's enery infrastructure, which I think is self-centered.

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Bills for Peace. Coming on the 25th Anniversary of NATO's bombing of Belgrade to the day, the "rules-based-order" must celebrate.

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UA have zero chance to win.

You guys thought they had zero chance of holding up after the initial assault. Yet here we are two and a half years later. Clearly you guys aren't very good with the predictions.

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zero interest about peace negotiations?

Just a few days ago they were talking about unconditional surrender… now they’re back to peace negotiations?

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we care about our country first, that is the big difference, so if it causes problems for the rest of the world, oh well...such is life.

Then you’re against military assistance to Israel as well. Be consistent.

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I’ve just been reading about comments from Peskov about Russian held properties in France being confiscated. Having a cry about it being against international law. Rich coming from a Kremlin stooge supporting the theft of large areas of land from their neighbor,

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bass: we care about our country first,

say posters parroting frightwing media's nasty reporting of the US including blogs like 'never told he truth social', while extolling the 'virtues' -in their minds - of far right states, some of which want to be separated from the US, see MTQreen, a pol admired by the fringiest of the extreme herds, and probably many in Moscow and Minsk and other places run by authoritarians because she wants to further weaken the US., spouting her evidence free opinions, here I beat you to it, of course she has a right to them, but like her master and lord cares nothing about how that hurts the US, which is what they want.

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EastmanToday 08:00 am JST

how can you enjoy prolonging conflict by this move?

Does it make the Russian fascist threat a little bit smaller? Why yes, yes it does.

are you really a humans?

Are the people trying steal other country's land and subjugate their people human?

zero interest about peace negotiations?

No negations necessary for a Russian withdrawal. Heck, no negotiations necessary for a Russian halt in place.

yes USA prefers make more money out of UA misery and blood...we know...american "values"...

No money is made by sending weapons to Ukraine.

dear all

UA have zero chance to win.

They don't have to win. They just have to stop Russia in place. Heck, I would be happy if they just send another 100k fascists back in zinc coffins.

west tried from 2014 hard started with maidan than countless provocations,with supporting of ukrainian nationalism and shovinism.russophobia.

Ukrainians are capable of thinking for themselves and it is you that make them hate you with the burning of a thousand suns.

blood of UA people are at your hands and you cant wash it away with pouring of money stole from own taxpayers.

Oh I see, so the US is firing Russian artillery, missiles, and drones? That is quite a magic trick.

its time to admit that west have lost again,right after Syria,Afghanistan,soon in Iraq,now in UA.

You only lose when you lose your people or your land. NATO has lost none of either.

if you want save own face puch Kiev junta for peace talk and accept your defeat.

I think we have plenty of "face" left by laughing as Russia grinds itself into oblivion.

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Speaker Johnson said if the Russians are not stopped they will go further.

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So the Dems save the Repubs from self-immolation again...proving nothing gets done in a Repub-controlled House unless Dems bail out the Pubs to get it done...

Clearly showing Americans that a Blue Wave in Nov is the best way to ensure the country's government functions without the last three years of House chaos and bedlam...

this is good, but I most mock it anyway. Wait this is bad and I don’t like it so I need to complain. But it’s kinda what I wanted so I approve but still don’t support who did it.

No better example of Trump trying to explain his stance on abortion...

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These 94 are the opposite of patriots and a clear minority. They should be dispensed with.

This is some pretty extreme thinking. Military/ govt types on here calling those Americans with opposing views ' the opposite of patriots that should be dispensed with '. Such extremist types are the ones who would go house to house hunting their 'unpatriotic' neighbours to 'dispose of them' in the name of their version of America. Sure the higher ups are OK with such rhetoric? Maybe Hollywood was right after all.

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Zelensky didn't bow to Trump's pressure to try to dig up dirt on Biden to help Trump in the election.

If there is no dirt to be found why be afraid of digging? Dig and then show the clean results, that will shut down the questions. Unless of course ......

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When the UA gets the ammo it so desperately needs it will be right back in the fight using its superior training to seriously kick some Russian ass.

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Isn’t it time for the “spring offensive” again?

it surely was offensive how badly it failed last time after all the months of hype and build up.

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This is aid so important, especially for Ukraine.

Russia must not be allowed to get away with this aggression against a fellow democracy.

This military aid for Ukraine isn't so much for Ukraine to wage war as it is to just defend itself from a hungry wolf.

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Good news! All we asked for was a vote. Thank you Speaker Johnson and thanks to the Ayes.

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say posters parroting frightwing media's nasty reporting of the US including blogs like 'never told he truth social', while extolling the 'virtues' -in their minds - of far right states, some of which want to be separated from the US,

True or you think we want to live in Stalinist blue states? Why?

see MTQreen,

Greene you misspelled her name.

a pol admired by the fringiest of the extreme herds,

She’s great.

and probably many in Moscow and Minsk and other places run by authoritarians because she wants to further weaken the US.

Russia doesn’t care.

The U.S. is already weakened, has been since 2008

but like her master and lord cares nothing about how that hurts the US,

She does, that’s why she’s so popular with her constituents, even Hunter is afraid of the woman.

which is what they want.

The Dems have already done that

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Ramsey's KitchenToday 09:47 am JST

These 94 are the opposite of patriots and a clear minority. They should be dispensed with.

This is some pretty extreme thinking. Military/ govt types on here calling those Americans with opposing views ' the opposite of patriots that should be dispensed with '. Such extremist types are the ones who would go house to house hunting their 'unpatriotic' neighbours to 'dispose of them' in the name of their version of America. Sure the higher ups are OK with such rhetoric? Maybe Hollywood was right after all.

Unlike in your hero Russia, I was thinking through the ballot box or by the members with the conscience shunning these losers.

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BlacklabelToday 10:16 am JST

Isn’t it time for the “spring offensive” again?

it surely was offensive how badly it failed last time after all the months of hype and build up.

Remember you aren't a fan of Putin (allegedly). No need to worry your pretty head about it.

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bass4funkToday 10:33 am JST

and probably many in Moscow and Minsk and other places run by authoritarians because she wants to further weaken the US.

Russia doesn’t care.

Russia does care about having as many useful idiots in power as possible. Starting with the Former Guy.

The U.S. is already weakened, has been since 2008

Nope, Obama's election was not some magical signal of US decline.

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But wasn’t it a horrible failure? All those weapons gone. All the money spent or stolen. All the “game changer” tanks, destroyed.

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Russia does care about having as many useful idiots in power as possible.

Biden…

Starting with the Former Guy.

And Vlad did nothing during that time.

Nope,

Yes.

https://www.heritage.org/defense/commentary/obamas-cuts-leave-every-military-branch-weaker-911

Obama's election was not some magical signal of US decline.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2012/09/04/world-economists-confirm-americas-decline-under-obama/

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BlacklabelToday 10:42 am JST

But wasn’t it a horrible failure? All those weapons gone. All the money spent or stolen. All the “game changer” tanks, destroyed.

Are 100k Russians dead? Why yes, yes they are.

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bass4funkToday 10:46 am JST

Russia does care about having as many useful idiots in power as possible.

Biden…

Biden is prosecuting the war the MAGAs are trying to surrender over. No one is further than Biden and no one is closer than Trump as useful idiot for Putin.

Starting with the Former Guy.

And Vlad did nothing during that time.

Yeah, because he already had full intelligence and control of the US during that period.

Nope,

Yes.

https://www.heritage.org/defense/commentary/obamas-cuts-leave-every-military-branch-weaker-911

I thought you were big on saving money. Only when it is in your bills that fly out of the House and go right in the shredder? I'm sure any MAGA around at the time voted for those "cuts", too.

Obama's election was not some magical signal of US decline.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2012/09/04/world-economists-confirm-americas-decline-under-obama/

How about an article from even the second term of Obama or later?

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Biden is prosecuting the war the MAGAs are trying to surrender over.

He shouldn’t have gotten involved in that conflict in the first place.

No one is further than Biden and no one is closer than Trump as useful idiot for Putin.

And yet, none of our adversaries fear Biden, not one single one of them.

Yeah, because he already had full intelligence and control of the US during that period.

Now, you guys are back to digging again? Need a gold shovel?

I'm sure any MAGA around at the time voted for those "cuts", too.

The majority of them want a strong military, despite what the weak establishment runaways want.

How about an article from even the second term of Obama or later?

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/2017/01/08/the-obama-era-is-over-here-s-how-the-military-rates-his-legacy/

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bass4funk

Biden is prosecuting the war the MAGAs are trying to surrender over.

> He shouldn’t have gotten involved in that conflict in the first place.

According to you, should the US have just stood by and watched while Russia invaded Ukraine?

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The majority of them want a strong military, despite what the weak establishment runaways want.

Then you surely won’t mind us sending Ukraine our old stuff and getting newer stuff in its place, will you?

Win-win-win

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bass4funk

see MTQreen,

> Greene you misspelled her name.

She’s great.

You have low standards for representatives.

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You have low standards for representatives.

If I did, I would be supporting Romney, Murkowski and Susan Collins.

Then you surely won’t mind us sending Ukraine our old stuff and getting newer stuff in its place, will you?

I was never against Ukraine getting military aid, I was always for it, I was just against taxpayer funded humanitarian aid

According to you, should the US have just stood by and watched while Russia invaded Ukraine?

Yes.

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bass4funkToday 11:14 am JST

Biden is prosecuting the war the MAGAs are trying to surrender over.

He shouldn’t have gotten involved in that conflict in the first place.

You claimed we should send military aid to Ukraine at one time. You are all over the place.

No one is further than Biden and no one is closer than Trump as useful idiot for Putin.

And yet, none of our adversaries fear Biden, not one single one of them.

If you parrot Russian media, of course you will say that. Russia is certainly not happy they will have to come up with another couple man zinc coffins. Taiwan remains invaded.

Yeah, because he already had full intelligence and control of the US during that period.

Now, you guys are back to digging again? Need a gold shovel?

Evidence is quite clear from, "I have here President Putin, and he says it's not Russia."

I'm sure any MAGA around at the time voted for those "cuts", too.

The majority of them want a strong military, despite what the weak establishment runaways want.

They also wanted a sequister which is the only "cuts" that were made to the military. And nothing is more weak than taking actions leaving our treaty allies in a more precarious position.

How about an article from even the second term of Obama or later?

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/2017/01/08/the-obama-era-is-over-here-s-how-the-military-rates-his-legacy/

A broadly conservative institution (at the time) has somewhat negative views of a Democrat. The fact remains, nothing is as weak as the MAGA for national security.

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Still wonder why some Republicans oppose Ukraine aid so much.

In the years leading up to WWII there were Republican members of Congress and some very public figures like Charles Lindburg who were openly sympathetic to the Nazis.

Today you find some among the Republican Party who see Russia as their shining example of a white notionally christian nation that suppresses all the groups that Republicans in the US seek to suppress including women's rights groups, gays, lesbians, ethnic and religious minorities. That is their vision for the US.

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bass4funkToday 11:26 am JST

Then you surely won’t mind us sending Ukraine our old stuff and getting newer stuff in its place, will you?

I was never against Ukraine getting military aid, I was always for it, I was just against taxpayer funded humanitarian aid

90% of the Senate bill was direct to military equipment. Probably 90% of this one too. And that "humanitarian aid" is what keeps the country existing. I know you think every Ukrainian retiree should have just stopped collecting social security like you want US retirees to do.

According to you, should the US have just stood by and watched while Russia invaded Ukraine?

Yes.

So your position is we should send Ukraine military aid now, but but but we shouldn't have started sending Ukraine military aid. Stunning resolve and strength.

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Green like Trump is a gutter politician.

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Abut time!

What convinced that wanna-be-speaker and others?

Now make it happen so Ukraine can finally get the needed military hardware!

No limitations any more! No hesitating! NO appeasing of that Russian dictator!

Ukraine prevails!

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Blacklabel

But wasn’t it a horrible failure? All those weapons gone. All the money spent or stolen. All the “game changer” tanks, destroyed.

Why do you always appear to be happy when Ukraine faces setbacks?

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You claimed we should send military aid to Ukraine at one time.

Weapons, that’s aid

You are all over the place.

No, I’ve been very clear

If you parrot Russian media, of course you will say that. Russia is certainly not happy they will have to come up with another couple man zinc coffins.

No, I meant what I said.

Evidence is quite clear from, "I have here President Putin, and he says it's not Russia."

What?

They also wanted a sequister which is the only "cuts" that were made to the military. And nothing is more weak than taking actions leaving our treaty allies in a more precarious position.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that, it’s not what the poll shows/“

A broadly conservative institution (at the time) has somewhat negative views of a Democrat.

No, Obama’s overall leadership.

The fact remains, nothing is as weak as the MAGA for national security.

Quite the opposite, not a single war. The facts are against you once again.

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90% of the Senate bill was direct to military equipment. Probably 90% of this one too.

Fine

And that "humanitarian aid" is what keeps the country existing.

Europe can contribute more, lots more then and should

I know you think every Ukrainian retiree should have just stopped collecting social security like you want US retirees to do.

I care about the U.S. only, sorry. I’m an American Nationalist.

So your position is we should send Ukraine military aid now,

Yes

but but but we shouldn't have started sending Ukraine military aid.

We shouldn’t have gotten involved in the first place.

Stunning resolve and strength.

I think so.

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Why do you always appear to be happy when Ukraine faces setbacks?

oh did they? The offensive was a complete failure? This is a new admission for a failed “gotcha” attempt.

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Now, you guys are back to digging again? Need a gold shovel?

the only digging is by the GOP oversight committee, 15months, Ukraine , Hunter Biden, Biden impeachment,

failed in everyway, whistle blowers indicted and found to be Chinese spies and lying to the FBI. NOTHING BURGERS LOL

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Blacklabel

Why do you always appear to be happy when Ukraine faces setbacks?

> oh did they? The offensive was a complete failure? This is a new admission for a failed “gotcha” attempt.

Over the past two years, you have not made any positive comments about Ukraine's handling of a foreign invasion.

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@fizzB: Today's Special Feature: The Warmongering MIC Uniparty Puppet Show!

Curious hearing that from those supporting Putin, the Kremlin, plus their fellow authoritarian warmongerers around the globe.

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the only digging is by the GOP oversight committee, 15months, Ukraine , Hunter Biden, Biden impeachment,

Trump as well, you left that one out.

failed in everyway,

Dems are as well, including the PR campaign.

whistle blowers indicted and found to be Chinese spies and lying to the FBI. NOTHING BURGERS LOL

Not sure what you’re talking about, anyway…but a burger does sound good.

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We shouldn’t have gotten involved in the first place.

We aren't going to just sit back and let Russia easily conquer a smaller nation, especially knowing Russia.

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We aren't going to just sit back and let Russia easily conquer a smaller nation, especially knowing Russia.

Obama did.

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But I hear ya, Bass. Many of us don't think Israel should be getting the military aid that it does, but in a democracy like ours, 0% of the people are going to get their way on everything. That's how it works.

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bass4funk

We aren't going to just sit back and let Russia easily conquer a smaller nation, especially knowing Russia.

> Obama did.

Yes, we all know that. We all have internet and you have posted it numerous times. You also posted Obama should have sent military aid and not blankets.

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But I hear ya, Bass. Many of us don't think Israel should be getting the military aid that it does,

That will never, ever change, don’t worry, the only ME democracy? Yeah, no, never going to happen.

but in a democracy like ours, 0% of the people are going to get their way on everything. That's how it works.

Hmmm…

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Bass - who did Obama let get conquered? I would agree with you that hindsight is 20/20 and we should have listened to Ukraine's and Georgia's concerns earlier than we did. Let's not make that mistake again, right?

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That will never, ever change, don’t worry, the only ME democracy? Yeah, no, never going to happen.

Ok, I can accept that, just like you are going to have to accept that we are going to help Ukraine fend off Russia.

As for your second rebuttal - who gets their way on everything?

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They should have done this months ago. Shame on the GOP for holding up the funding. Shame.

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Yes, we all know that. We all have internet and you have posted it numerous times.

Really? Then use it.

You also posted Obama should have sent military aid and not blankets.

Well, there you go. You just made my argument for me, again.

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who did Obama let get conquered?

Iraq, leaving the country without a SOFA and allowing ISIS to grow and flourish on his watch.

Ok, I can accept that, just like you are going to have to accept that we are going to help Ukraine fend off Russia.

And Ukraine will lose in the end.

As for your second rebuttal - who gets their way on everything?

Well, Biden and Zelenskyy sure won’t.

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And Ukraine will lose in the end.

I doubt it, but I know they won't get conquered and that is what matters most.

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