Ukraine pierces Russian border, triggering fierce clashes

Good on Ukraine for showing that nowhere in the fascist state is safe!!!

The effect this will have might not be great but blame for it is squarely on Putin.

health ministry said 31 civilians, including six children,

There are reports widely circulating in Russian media that the invaders are committing atrocities against the local natives.

There are huge lines at blood donor clinics al throughout Russia.

Zelensky's attack has confirmed to the average Russian that they are a target of this war.

There are reports widely circulating in Russian media that the invaders are committing atrocities against the local natives.

Do you think they've come to understand how angry Ukrainians are about their country being invaded?

Zelensky's attack has confirmed to the average Russian that they are a target of this war.

What war?

BanthuToday 07:17 am JST

There are reports widely circulating in Russian media that the invaders are committing atrocities against the local natives.

You think Russia should bring in some ICC investigators?

Zelensky's attack has confirmed to the average Russian that they are a target of this war.

Their country is invading and annexing a sovereign country. Of course they are a target.

Always important keep in mind Kursk is where the nazis counterattacked in the summer of 1943; that area is familiar with those types.

This terrorist incursion will be beaten back in a day or two.

Moscow has more than enough reserves that are not even in or supporting the SMO zone to crush this little counterattack. Watch.

End result down the track will be another oblast lost (Sumy).

RFAF making daily gains on the crucial Donbass front including closing in on Pokrovsk, New York taken.

Every Soviet and now Russian person in his family has a relative who was killed or tortured in a concentration camp by the Nazis in 1941-1945. Western Ukraine also took a direct part in this. Therefore, the Nazis from Western Ukraine will be consigned to oblivion this time.

nikToday 07:56 am JST

Every Soviet and now Russian person in his family has a relative who was killed or tortured in a concentration camp by the Nazis in 1941-1945. Western Ukraine also took a direct part in this. Therefore, the Nazis from Western Ukraine will be consigned to oblivion this time.

Yeah, two generations ago or more. Even the sheep that follow Russian media expect more from their lives than to die for the motherland these days.

JJEToday 07:45 am JST

Always important keep in mind Kursk is where the nazis counterattacked in the summer of 1943; that area is familiar with those types.

So what? You only got two more years to go before victory?

Quite relevant that Kursk was the scene of a major nazi counterattack in the summer of 1943.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kursk

History repeats itself.

"Russia said on Wednesday it was fighting intense battles against Ukrainian forces that had penetrated its southern border . . . "

And Russia is surprised?! Get out of there country and stop your own penetration of Ukraine's border.

"Russia said on Wednesday it was fighting intense battles against Ukrainian forces that had penetrated its southern border . . . "

The more of this the merrier. Russia does not deserve to not be attacked by Ukraine. Ukraine should take out all their infrastructure. All of it.

Russia has advanced this year after the failure of Ukraine's 2023 counteroffensive to achieve any major gains, and has taken 420 square km (162 square miles) of territory from Ukrainian forces since June 14, Russian officials say.

For perspective, even if true (ISW says Russia has captured 290 square km), in just the past 48 hours Ukraine is currently estimated to have taken about 350 square km of Russian territory.

Important to look at a map. The border town of Sudzha is 5km from the border a short drive up the R-200. Kursk is like some 80 clicks from that, with the nuclear plant west of that at Kurchatov.

Unless they have a few panzer corps to throw in, they aren't going far; let alone there. This is in the quarantine phase, after that comes a stock standard mop-up operation.

If the aim was to help the Donbass front, it will have backfired spectacularly because there is no small or large-scale redeployment of assets from that battlefront - and the reserves they've thrown into this misadventure are kind of needed down there.

This will fizzle out faster than a Swiss conference.

Great to see the brave Ukrainians continuing the good fight against the fascists for their very existence.

But how is this possible? We've been promised that the Ukrainian army is "down to its last handful of men"; it's "all over" - not to forget that "Kiev would fall within 72 hours". 2 and a half years ago.

JJEToday 08:17 am JST

History repeats itself.

Indeed, those who fought the Nazis, well, there was more in common than we thought.

Crossing border to get PR images ( blowing up mainly civilian targets for it ) on SMS is not going to do much to change the tide of the conflict. With Russians advancing on multiple fronts, wasting Ukrainian soldier lives on incursions destined to fail is being widely criticised by prominent pro -Ukraine military sources.

" The situation in the Pokrovsk region is critical with defenses in several areas collapsed and yet to stabilise, largely due to the shortage of personnel. Diverting nearly a brigade to launch an assault on Kursk Oblast, which lacks strategic sense, borders on mental disability""

JJEToday 09:26 am JST

This will fizzle out faster than a Swiss conference.

A conference that endorsed Ukraine's position. That's the opposite of a fizzle out.

burgers and beersToday 09:35 am JST

" The situation in the Pokrovsk region is critical with defenses in several areas collapsed and yet to stabilise, largely due to the shortage of personnel. Diverting nearly a brigade to launch an assault on Kursk Oblast, which lacks strategic sense, borders on mental disability""

Every inch of Russia held will become an inch of Ukraine. Makes total sense.

You think Russia should bring in some ICC investigators?

is this the same ICC whose authority Biden White House refuses to recognize and whose investigators and judges are being threatened by US politicians? That ICC?

Nik -

Every Soviet and now Russian person in his family has a relative who was killed or tortured in a concentration camp by the Nazis in 1941-1945. 

Here we go, appealing for sympathy. Russians will get none.

Millions of Europeans will never forget the drunken rampage of the Russians post-war - raping, pillaging and killing everyone in sight.

This will fizzle out faster than a Swiss conference.

A conference that endorsed Ukraine's position. That's the opposite of a fizzle out.

The same conference that was ignored by the major players?

The same conference that was ignored by the major players?

Russia and China don't matter.

" The situation in the Pokrovsk region is critical with defenses in several areas collapsed and yet to stabilise, largely due to the shortage of personnel. Diverting nearly a brigade to launch an assault on Kursk Oblast, which lacks strategic sense, borders on mental disability""

Every inch of Russia held will become an inch of Ukraine. Makes total sense."

Someone should tell that to the pro Ukriane military sources and UA personnel criticising this PR stunt for wasting UAF soldiers lives on this incursion instead of reinforcing the crumbling frontline.

Someone should tell that to the pro Ukriane military sources and UA personnel criticising this PR stunt for wasting UAF soldiers lives on this incursion instead of reinforcing the crumbling frontline.

Because Russia knows so much about strategy, right?

How's that 72-hour special invasion coming along hmm?

How is this possible?

Ukraine sends most new recruits to newly constructed brigades rather than replenishing brigades on the front, which are drastically losing manpower.

They took a reformed brigade which has never been deployed (22nd) and manned it with rear echelon personnel from the border with Belarus and beyond. They used some Stryker vehicles they saved and threw in a mix of MRAP-style vehicles, a few tanks, and a couple of assorted AD systems (including some of those Frankenstein BUK systems). They probably have units from the Main Intelligence Directorate there, which will make it interesting when prisoners are taken.

Basically, they found a weak spot on a very long border (not hard to do), drove up to a border town and proceeded to gun down and shell civilians at random. They are basically on a few roads making pests of themselves, as opposed to occupying towns/settlements.

Also, no serious person entertains the idea that they will 'take and hold' this territory in anything remotely considered the long run.

This is indicative of Kyiv's typical operations, which are designed for western media impact as opposed to military logic.

"Millions of Europeans will never forget the drunken rampage of the Russians post-war - raping, pillaging and killing everyone in sight."

Is that what the higher ups tell you about WW2 in Europe?

How is this possible?

It's not that hard, Russia is pretty incompetent.

Russia and China don't matter.

LOL, really, is that why is Zelensky asking for Russia, China and Global South to attend the next one, hmm?

LOL, really, is that why is Zelensky asking for Russia, China and Global South to attend the next one, hmm?

Why not?

They look worse for not coming.

So you think Putin intended to be stuck in Russia for 2.5 years?

Better question would be, why didn't Miley think that?

"LOL, really, is that why is Zelensky asking for Russia, China and Global South to attend the next one, hmm?

Why not? They look worse for not coming."

Look worse to whom? A few random NAFOs? They don't matter nearly as much as they like to think they do.

Look worse to whom?

Everyone that matters of course.

Look worse to whom? ...Everyone that matters of course.

As mentioned, NAFOs opinion does not matter as much as they imagine.

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So you think Putin intended to be stuck in Russia for 2.5 years?

Putin intends to be in Ukraine for as long as it takes to do what he wants to do. As many on here stated he does not care how long and what the cost. Ukraine is Russia's neighborhood not the US.

burgers and beers

So you think Putin intended to be stuck in Russia for 2.5 years?

Putin intends to be in Ukraine for as long as it takes to do what he wants to do. As many on here stated he does not care how long and what the cost.

Actually, he does. He now knows that he can’t sustain the war effort and is looking for ways out that also save face.

All this leads to the next natural question: why did Zelensky launch this Kursk thing now of all times? The most likely reason - or at least the only one that seems obvious at the moment - is that Ukraine’s Donbass collapse is picking up such speed right now, that Zelensky needed a desperate PR victory to deflect from Russia’s crushing successes.

The ongoing Donbass collapse was beginning to be such a major drain on Zelensky’s ability to keep up appearances for his peanut gallery that he was forced to try and create some symbolic token victory stunt.

There’s also the consideration that so much has been going on in the headlines recently; the US election cycle heating up, especially with Dems not focused on Walz not him, Olympic feel-good-syndrome, Israeli-Iran escalation, the huge financial crash, riots up and down the UK, even Venezuela, Musk, Bangladesh and crocodiles in Australia stealing his thunder - Zelensky likely felt Ukraine slowly slipping from the headlines, and needed to give it a jolt, lest it be totally swept out of the news cycle - with, god forbid, people enjoying that normality after Ukraine fatigue.

Putin intends to be in Ukraine for as long as it takes to do what he wants to do

I answered your question, you answered a different than the one I asked:

So you think Putin intended to be stuck in Russia for 2.5 years?

We all can see why you wouldn’t want to answer it.

72-hour special invasion. Sure.

burgers and beersToday 09:58 am JST

"Millions of Europeans will never forget the drunken rampage of the Russians post-war - raping, pillaging and killing everyone in sight."

Is that what the higher ups tell you about WW2 in Europe?

I do know the Poles and others know all about Russia and they don't want to see any more of it.

Better question would be, why didn't Miley think that?

It wasn't his war to plan.

Look worse to whom? A few random NAFOs? They don't matter nearly as much as they like to think they do.

Still a billion people and 40% of world gdp. Also using NAFO all of the time gives you away, Ramsey.

Putin intends to be in Ukraine for as long as it takes to do what he wants to do. As many on here stated he does not care how long and what the cost. Ukraine is Russia's neighborhood not the US.

I wonder whether the Russian mothers are also signed up for as many bodies as it takes.

JJEToday 09:57 am JST

Basically, they found a weak spot on a very long border (not hard to do)

Then why can't Russia's worthless military do the same?

I hope the UA blows that gas interchange into the stratosphere.

Even better would be to occupy the Nuclear plant, rig it to blow (Just like the Russians have done in Zaporisia, and then use it as a bargaining chip.

It would serve the murderer from Moscow right for his bs invasion.

They already did.

The Khakhiv operation was precisely that, with the intention to stretch Kyiv-regime forces and weaken the Donbass front, which it has.

JJEToday 11:06 am JST

They already did.

The Khakhiv operation was precisely that, with the intention to stretch Kyiv-regime forces and weaken the Donbass front, which it has.

The operation that failed to reach Kharkiv and failed to cause major progress elsewhere. Got it.

He now knows that he can’t sustain the war effort and is looking for ways out that also save face.

You have it the wrong way around. It is Zelensky who has recently backtracked on his "no negotiation while Putin is in power " and is asking for Russian participation in the next peace conference.

*War in Ukraine: Zelensky wants Russia to take part in a new peace summit **The Ukrainian president's invitation to 'Russian representatives' to attend a peace conference in November suggests a softening of Kyiv's diplomatic stance, against a backdrop of military difficulties.*

www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/07/17/war-in-ukraine-zelensky-wants-russia-to-take-part-in-a-new-peace-summit_6687222_4.html#

Zelensky who has recently backtracked on his "no negotiation while Putin is in power " and is asking for Russian participation in the next peace conference.

Truly a respectable man who only wants peace.

Unlike terrorist nation Russia.

I imagine the purpose of this is to take out some Russian supplies or weapons being stored near the border. Unlikely we'll ever hear about it though.

"Putin intends to be in Ukraine for as long as it takes to do what he wants to do. As many on here stated he does not care how long and what the cost. Ukraine is Russia's neighborhood not the US.

I wonder whether the Russian mothers are also signed up for as many bodies as it takes."

I'm sure they are not happy about it. Same as Ukrainian mothers, wives and sisters who fight daily with Zelensky military recruiter gangs that are hunting and dragging their men off to the grinder.

"I hope the UA blows that gas interchange into the stratosphere. Even better would be to occupy the Nuclear plant, rig it to blow (Just like the Russians have done in Zaporisia, and then use it as a bargaining chip."

Everyone has hopes. Some more realistic than others. I hope you learn how to spell Zaporizhzhia correctly when posting about it. ZNPP maybe easier to master.

"Truly a respectable man who only wants peace."

I agree, Trump truly wants peace for Ukraine. Hopefully he will negotiate it soon. If not him than Kamala. Either will do.

burgers and beersToday 11:14 am JST

He now knows that he can’t sustain the war effort and is looking for ways out that also save face.

You have it the wrong way around. It is Zelensky who has recently backtracked on his "no negotiation while Putin is in power " and is asking for Russian participation in the next peace conference.

Ukraine now has 90 countries to shout down the bots and zombies that Putin sends, so yes, now is the time for peace.

burgers and beersToday 11:20 am JST

"Putin intends to be in Ukraine for as long as it takes to do what he wants to do. As many on here stated he does not care how long and what the cost. Ukraine is Russia's neighborhood not the US.

I wonder whether the Russian mothers are also signed up for as many bodies as it takes."

I'm sure they are not happy about it. Same as Ukrainian mothers, wives and sisters who fight daily with Zelensky military recruiter gangs that are hunting and dragging their men off to the grinder.

Only 32% want Ukraine to make territorial concessions. Bet you can find more Russians willing to end the war despite Vlad being humiliated.

Boy, Vlad is getting his Kopeck’s worth out of this one…

LOL, thanks "John". Always good to hear an expert opinion.

Ukraine now has 90 countries to shout down the bots and zombies that Putin sends, so yes, now is the time for peace.

Whatever line helps NAFO cope. So much for Zelensky declaring he will not negotiate with Russia while Putin remains in power. Still, as long as it ends the war, it is good.