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Ukraine retakes territory in Kharkiv region as Russian front crumbles

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Brilliant news.

If they can take Kupiansk, the whole Izyum front could be effectively cut off from supplies, even if they don't they can bring the main ruschist GLOC under fire control just like Kherson, probably leading to its collapse.

11 ( +17 / -6 )

After keeping silent for a day, Russia effectively acknowledged that a section of its frontline had crumbled southeast of Ukraine's second-largest city Kharkiv.

I'm curious whether the Putin media followers have heard that" Russia effectively acknowledged that a a section of its frontline had crumbled...". Or if they've heard something different. Because Putin would most likely not allow his media to say his Russian forces are not faring well. Dictators only want to be praised. Narcissists like Putin, Little Kim and their ilk rarely if ever admit their decisions might have been wrong.

11 ( +17 / -6 )

Deserting, running away, leaving even the last one behind.

Russian commanders in panic, being captured, surrendering.

Providing supply to those aggressors almost impossible due to bridges being destroyed.

Ukrainian forces making progress in all and any direction.

Guess Putin needs some better advice, like: get out of Ukraine!

12 ( +19 / -7 )

It looks like a good blitzkrieg style of attack. I hope they can keep it going. The Russians holding this area were said to be national guard troops not regular army. If the Ukrainians go too far too fast they could get pinced.

-9 ( +6 / -15 )

All those articles published this week from Putin was Russian propaganda!

You cannot believe Putin like trump or some posters on JT.

Putin says Russia is coping with Western sanctions, days after Kremlin officials were warned of recession

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/putin-says-russia-coping-western-114014267.html

Bloomberg reported on Monday that officials have been handed a report forecasting a longer and deeper recession than has been publicly acknowledged. The Kremlin-commissioned report was presented to top Russian officials on August 30, the wire said. Two of three scenarios that the report explored found Russia's economy would not return to prewar levels until the end of the decade or later, Bloomberg reported.

Those financial sanctions are working, and the weaponry and assistance from West is embarrassing Russia on the battlefield.

Let the excuses, begin!

20 ( +24 / -4 )

It looks like a good blitzkrieg style of attack.

Is that what your Putin media have informed Putin's true believers? Or is 'blitzkrieg' being used to keep the Putin lies about Nazis going. 'Nazis in Ukraine'at this point have the same believability as Bush claiming Iraq had WMDs. Some believed media outlets claiming the latter, only true Putin bots still believe the Nazi account pushed by Putin and the Kremlin. Are Putin's true believers also still claiming Putin';s central bankers are winning? If so are Putin's central bankers good central bankers, even if they have global reach?

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I'm curious whether the Putin media followers have heard that" Russia effectively acknowledged that a a section of its frontline had crumbled...". Or if they've heard something different. Because Putin would most likely not allow his media to say his Russian forces are not faring well. Dictators only want to be praised. Narcissists like Putin, Little Kim and their ilk rarely if ever admit their decisions might have been wrong.

I doubt they will keep their own men informed of the losses. They do not want them to get any ideas to run or lose morale

Moscow keeps its Kherson troops unaware of recent battlefield developments, Ukrainian intelligence says

https://www.yahoo.com/news/moscow-keeps-kherson-troops-unaware-163300324.html

I guess with this spanking taking place, Russia will no longer be holding a rigged referendum to annex the occupied territories.

18 ( +22 / -4 )

The Russians on the ground know they are losing. Putin does too, but he trying to save face with fake news. Putin's whole schtick has been that Gorbachev made the Soviet Union weak and was the cause of the fall. Ironically, Putin's actions in the 2016 US elections, Brexit and Abe's re emergence and Ukraine will be Russia's downfall. This is what people will remember the most about him. All those leaders influenced by Putin: trump, BJ, Abe and etc. all left office in disgrace because of being manipulated by Putin. Not it is Putin's turn.

"The morale and the psychological condition of [soldiers in] the occupying units [of the Russian Armed Forces] have considerably deteriorated, and instances of desertion have become more common, due to significant losses [sustained by the Russian army] and a lack of willingness to participate in combat.

> The enemy was forced to deploy helicopters and weapons in search for deserters and in order to return them to combat positions on the temporarily occupied territory of Kherson Oblast, near the village of Babenivka Druha."

Russian forces deploy helicopters to search for deserters in Kherson Oblast General Staff

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-forces-deploy-helicopters-search-153926444.html

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The second most powerful army in the world (or so some would have you believe) is now the second most powerful army in Ukraine. This is a fight between good and evil, and the entire world needs to step up to the plate and crush the evil. If you, your children, and grand children wish to live in a free peaceful democratic world, now is the time to act.

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Is that what your Putin media have informed Putin's true believers? 

Putin media? Boy you must be some kind of crazy to take a historical reference and twist it into a troll comment that is totally opposite of the comments intention.

-11 ( +6 / -17 )

If Ukraine pushes the Russians to the point of withdrawal ... Putin is done for at home. That's why there will be no withdrawal. I see the distinct possibility of this being a bloody and years long war.

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It's quite clever tactics. Ukraine announced that they are going to take Kherson back, so Russia poured troops into that region. Then Ukraine bombs the bridges to make resupply difficult. Ukraine doesn't need to move fast in this region, because it's more like a siege attack. Russians will use up their equipment and become weaker.

In the East it's a different story. Because many troops were deployed near Kherson, they have weak spots, and a weak spot is exactly where Ukraine have invaded. If they can get to the crossroads and dig in, they will make it difficult for Russia to supply their troops, especially when winter comes, when they can only use roads.

8 ( +12 / -4 )

The Avenger

If Ukraine pushes the Russians to the point of withdrawal ... Putin is done for at home. That's why there will be no withdrawal. I see the distinct possibility of this being a bloody and years long war.

Putin doesn't have to order a withdrawal for their to be one. The troops can refuse to fight and flee.

8 ( +12 / -4 )

*there

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@The Avenger

If Ukraine pushes the Russians to the point of withdrawal ... Putin is done for at home. That's why there will be no withdrawal. I see the distinct possibility of this being a bloody and years long war.

If the war lasts a year going in the direction it is going, Ukraine will probably take back all of the lost territories including Crimea.

Putin doesn't have to order a withdrawal for their to be one. The troops can refuse to fight and flee.

Agreed! It does not matter how much oil Putin trades to NK for weapons. If the men are not interested in fighting then it will be mute. That will go for the prisoners forced to fight as well.

Russia's only reasonable chance would be their spy game unless they want to go scorched earth and nuke everything!

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Oops! Honest mistake!

Russian Defense Ministry ‘forgets’ to report loss of Balakliya in Kharkiv Oblast

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-defense-ministry-forgets-report-200700834.html

Yeah, right! Who are we kidding? Everyone knows Putin and the Russian military is trying to hide their embarrassment!

12 ( +16 / -4 )

Russia's only reasonable chance would be their spy game unless they want to go scorched earth and nuke everything!

Numan........ ask and you shall receive

Russian secret services create fake Zelenskyy website intended for Germans Ukrainian President's Office

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-secret-services-create-fake-083011654.html

They think Russians abroad are going to rise up in their host country to stop the West. They also probably hope some of those "patriots" will come home to fight in this losing war that the Russian people did not want!

11 ( +15 / -4 )

As Russia was preparing to invade Ukraine I was reminding people here that the old USSR tried a similar invasion of Finland and was badly defeated.  I think back around May I was saying that by the fall of this year as the Ukrainians accumulated more western arms and sanctions began to have an effect the war in Ukraine would look different. I was laughed at and given many thumbs down.

Now I will tell you that by the end of this coming winter, roundabout March of 2023 give or take a month or two, the Russians are not going to have the resources to continue fighting. They are unable to replace their losses, both in material and manpower. They are not building new armored vehicles, trucks or even new cars in any significant quantity. Even before the war Russia's tank plants were only able to produce 35-45 new tanks a year. At that rate they would be ten years replacing what they have lost so far, but those tank plants are not operating due to a lack of necessary components. Western sanctions are having an effect. They are short of tires and spares for the equipment they have. Most of their trucks use American made Cummins diesels. No parts for those any more, not even filters. All cut off. They have very little access to semiconductors. They can maybe buy small lots sporadically through third parties who lie about their intended use but the west is very good about discovering these sanctions violations and shutting them down. They an no longer buy them openly and in materially significant quantities as before, and Russia does not have the knowhow to manufacture them. Ukrainian forces may be outnumbered but they will not run out of weapons and reloads and as their stocks of Soviet era weapons are expended in combat and replaced by the best western equipment their weaponry will be clearly superior to anything the Russians can field. It is just a matter of time before the Russians are run out of Ukraine. Now all you Pootin fanbois can vote me down.

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Or they’ve realised the reality that their side is gonna lose this war

Whilst this is great news, I wouldn't gloat too much. There are still a huge amount of Russian forces in the country, and at some point they will surely get their act together and learn some coherence.

Putin is counting on Ukraine & the West becoming weary of the war before Russia does. The economic pressure needs to be maintained, and I'm afraid lots more Russian boys will need to be killed before he thinks about getting out of there.

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Guess Putin needs some better advice, like: get out of Ukraine!

By some accounts Mr. Putin is leading the war directly having lost confidence in his defense minister.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/3619311-russian-defense-minister-possibly-sidelined-uk-intel/

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Yet another brilliant goodwill gesture by Putin, who just yesterday was publicly stating that Russia will lose nothing.

I am guessing it will take a few days for the Russian state propaganda services to digest this unexpected development and produce a new narrative putting a positive spin on it. Please stand by, the regular pro-Putin posters will be along to spew that on here once it is available.

11 ( +15 / -4 )

I am guessing it will take a few days for the Russian state propaganda services to digest this unexpected development and produce a new narrative putting a positive spin on it.

Interestingly the Russian press are now, by some accounts,, depicting Ukrainian forces as this vast hoard armed to the teeth with the best western weapons and swimming in western military advisors.

If this report is true it is a very interesting change.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/team-putin-admits-their-worst-case-scenario-is-coming-true/ar-AA11D8Ur

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 Russia was preparing to invade Ukraine

So so ODD you never give any historical information except for irrelevant USSR stories.. Like the war began when Russia invaded with nothing happening before it, like Ukraine preparing to invade the Donbass, after attacking it for 8 years. Your propaganda will work with most of the MSM crowd on here.

-20 ( +3 / -23 )

Interestingly the Russian press are now, by some accounts,, depicting Ukrainian forces as this vast hoard armed to the teeth with the best western weapons and swimming in western military advisors.

If this report is true it is a very interesting change.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/team-putin-admits-their-worst-case-scenario-is-coming-true/ar-AA11D8Ur

It could be a campaign to play the victim and win over their people and Russian sympathizers. trump goes back and forth with this whining strategy all the time.

It could also be an anti-Putin/war movement swelling in Russia.

Local Russian lawmakers called for Putin's removal from power over the war in Ukraine, and then the police went after them

https://news.yahoo.com/local-russian-lawmakers-called-putins-212550495.html

It has to start somewhere.

10 ( +14 / -4 )

It could also be an anti-Putin/war movement swelling in Russia.

Local Russian lawmakers called for Putin's removal from power over the war in Ukraine, and then the police went after them

https://news.yahoo.com/local-russian-lawmakers-called-putins-212550495.html

It has to start somewhere.

We all live in hope.

Somewhere in Russia, locked away in an armoury or cupboard, is a bullet (hopefully hollow) with Putins name on it.

11 ( +15 / -4 )

Perhaps Ukraine found the Nazis - in Russia - and will continue to hunt them down.

/s

12 ( +16 / -4 )

Ukraine could not "invade" Donbas since it is part of Ukraine.

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Like the war began when Russia invaded with nothing happening before it, like Ukraine preparing to invade the Donbass, after attacking it for 8 years

Eight years ago Russian forces invaded the Donbass region of Ukraine and the Crimea and initiated the war we see today. While Russian forces quickly conquered and annexed Crimea, they never fully consolidated their gains in the Donbass region and a war smoldered there for eight years. The truth is that Russia invaded the Donbass and not the other way around. Donbass is part of Ukraine, not Russia.

12 ( +17 / -5 )

Interestingly the Russian press are now, by some accounts,, depicting Ukrainian forces as this vast hoard armed to the teeth with the best western weapons and swimming in western military advisors.

If this report is true it is a very interesting change.

There is a parrallel between Russia now and Germany in 1943. Nazi propaganda portrayed their armies as invincible and everything going according to their leader’s plans for the first three years of the war. Then Stalingrad happened and they could no longer stick to that script since the German armies would mostly be going backwards instead of forwards from then on. So they switched the narrative and started to describe the war as a fight for survival against a more powerful enemy that would require greater and greater sacrifices, etc.

Russian propaganda seems to be switching gears in the same way now.

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Ukraine could not "invade" Donbas since it is part of Ukraine.

Anyone can invade anything, but the official phrase is foreign invasion.

-14 ( +3 / -17 )

Ukraine preparing to invade the Donbass

you don’t invade your own territory

Anyone can invade anything,

huh !?

the official phrase is foreign invasion.

that would be Russia

11 ( +16 / -5 )

Reports are starting to come in that the Ukrainians have reached Izyum, where fighting is now occurring and a large Russian force is at risk of encirclement. Its still way to early to tell, but this could be a route of the Russians on a scale far beyond what anyone would have thought possible just a few days ago. This might explain the sudden change in tone from Russian state media. The Russians are reporting that they have reinforcements on the way, I guess its a question of whether they arrive in time and in sufficient force to prevent a complete collapse and total defeat in the northeast. The next few days could determine the course of the war.

8 ( +12 / -4 )

FizzBit

Ukraine could not "invade" Donbas since it is part of Ukraine.

Anyone can invade anything, but the official phrase is foreign invasion.

OK, so 8 years ago was a foreign invasion of Dombas by Russia.

10 ( +15 / -5 )

The Russians are reporting that they have reinforcements on the way,

who are these reinforcements ?

North Koreans ? Freed prison convicts ? Kidnapped ‘volunteers’ ?

8 ( +13 / -5 )

It’s difficult to understand the Trumpies’ support for Putin and his invasion of Ukraine. Don’t they understand that Putin is not their friend? Apparently not.

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our propaganda will work with most of the MSM crowd on here.

Still supporting Putin's central bankers while hoping they can re-open the family machine shop in Corn-town, which apparently Trump and his billionaire cate could not do.

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It’s difficult to understand the Trumpies’ support for Putin and his invasion of Ukraine. Don’t they understand that Putin is not their friend?

In a sickening way it is actually easy to understand the attraction. The Russkiy Mir ideology that is driving Russian political and religious leaders paints Russia as a "classic society" that is Christian, white and that does not tolerate other religions, multiculturalism, racial minorities, LGBQT or any other deviation from what they see as a classic white Christian society. Classic in this case means 17th - 18th century Russian Orthodox morals. For some Americans that is a more desirable end state than a secular multicultural, multiracial America and thus Mr. Putin and his policies are considered to be highly attractive.

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Change will occur inside Russia when crippled soldiers come home and tell their families the unfiltered truth, and when either the bodies of their dead are returned home for burial or the families of dead soldiers are never told what happened to their sons and daughters. When enough families have suffered loss and are finally disabuses of the propaganda they have been fed by state controlled media outlets things will start to unravel at home for Vladimir Putin. And that will, in my estimate, start to become a problem for him about the same time their military runs out of resources with which to further prosecute this war, sometime before spring 2023.

8 ( +12 / -4 )

The Russians are out of:

Trained troops that are living and who still want to fight.

Equipment, even the junk.

Ammo.

BS excuses.

Now they're just losing.

12 ( +18 / -6 )

There is a parrallel between Russia now and Germany in 1943.

The other parallel is that where in 1943 Lend Lease of vast quantities of military hardware and basic supplies from UK, Canada and the US allowed the USSR to prevail against the Germans, today it is Lend Lease from the UK, Canada, US, other NATO allies and non-NATO Sweden that is providing Ukraine with vast quantities of weapons and basic supplies that in the fullness of time will allow Ukraine to prevail against Russia.

but this could be a route of the Russians on a scale far beyond what anyone would have thought possible just a few days ago.

I can't find where I read this but it has been reported that the US military war gamed multiple possible attack scenarios with Ukrainian participation to give them insight into what tactics would be most successful.

2 ( +6 / -4 )

today it is Lend Lease from the UK, Canada, US, other NATO allies and non-NATO Sweden that is providing Ukraine with vast quantities of weapons and basic supplies

Isn't there a danger that in the event of Russia facing defeat, then China would do for Russia what the west is doing for Ukraine and start to supply Russia? Or don't they care enough to commit themselves so far?

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

who are these reinforcements ?

North Koreans ? Freed prison convicts ? Kidnapped ‘volunteers’ ?

Probably of questionable effectiveness given what we have seen so far at least.

I doubt the Russians have the ability to deploy sufficient forces, of sufficient quality, in time to make a difference. At the same time though there is the risk that the Ukrainians overextend themselves given how rapid their advance has been, which is a point of worry.

If the Ukrainians succeed in capturing Izyum though, which seems a real possibility now, they will have dealt a huge blow to the Russian war effort that is even bigger than the Russian retreat from Kyiv was. In Kyiv the Russian forces were able to withdraw in order and redeploy those forces. The way it is looking now they won’t be able to withdraw their forces like that and will simply lose them completely, something they simply can’t afford at this point.

The likely options going forward for the Russians will be:

1) Climb down from their hard line stance and enter negotiations for an end to the war without preconditions. Even offer a ceasefire. The Ukrainians might not be interested, but this would likely increase pressure on Ukraine from European countries to negotiate.

2) Fully mobilize Russian society for an all out war. This is probably what they need to do if they are to carry on with the war, but it will likely be extremely destabilizing to Russia itself. Also it’ll be months before that translated to more troops to replace losses, by which time it might be too late.

3) Just accept reality and unilaterally withdraw to February 24th positions, declaring some feeble kind of victory (succesfully defended Crimea, blah blah).

None of these three are particularly good from Russia’s perspective.

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ClippetyClop

Isn't there a danger that in the event of Russia facing defeat, then China would do for Russia what the west is doing for Ukraine and start to supply Russia? Or don't they care enough to commit themselves so far?

China will primarily look out for itself. Sure it will buy (cheap) Russian oil and help to an extent, but they will also let Russia know that they are the senior partner in the relationship.

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rainyday

2) Fully mobilize Russian society for an all out war. This is probably what they need to do if they are to carry on with the war, but it will likely be extremely destabilizing to Russia itself.

My guess is that Putin sees this as too risky. Sure, he desperately wants to win in Ukraine, but a higher priority is to keep control at home. I think if Putin thought that all out mobilization was an option worth pursuing, he would have done it by now.

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My guess is that Putin sees this as too risky. Sure, he desperately wants to win in Ukraine, but a higher priority is to keep control at home. I think if Putin thought that all out mobilization was an option worth pursuing, he would have done it by now.

Its hard to say. Until now the choice for Putin hasn’t been a binary one between total humiliating military defeat on the one hand, and full mobilization on the other. Now that his armies seem to be heading towards a Stalingrad type defeat, this could become the option set he has. I don’t know which he’ll choose, since both of these carry significant risks to him personally.

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Clippety ,

My 2 cents is that the Chinese like access to Western markets more than they like being tied to a losing alliance with a declining power in the name of authoritarianism.

Look for them to hold Mini-me and his so-called army at arms length.

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So Russia supposedly has no troops no equipment and no ammo.

Then next time someone bombs or otherwise attacks the nuke plant or anything else- it’s obviously Ukraine doing it with US weapons, planning and money.

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Look for them to hold Mini-me and his so-called army at arms length.

Sure it will buy (cheap) Russian oil and help to an extent, but they will also let Russia know that they are the senior partner in the relationship.

Fair points. I guess we'll have to see what the "No limits" alliance really means. Perhaps if Western resolve remains strong then China may indeed feel that it's better to sit this one out.

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So Russia supposedly has no troops no equipment and no ammo.

According to whom? Did you read that Russia is facing operational issues and then conclude that they have absolutely "no troops no equipment and no ammo."?

It's interesting watching a strawman build itself.

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So Russia supposedly has no troops no equipment and no ammo.

Russia has plenty of troops, equipment, ammo, and fuel. Just not where they need them.

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It is still a stagnant war, Russia can recover that land next month, the only way to stop this war is by negotiating and for Ukraine to cede the Dombass territories to Russia, otherwise this will not end..

-11 ( +4 / -15 )

It is still a stagnant war, Russia can recover that land next month, the only way to stop this war is by negotiating and for Ukraine to cede the Dombass territories to Russia, otherwise this will not end..

LOL, ok...

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Yes, because armies with plenty of troops routinely try to recruit felons.

Armies with plenty of ammo buy 3rd rate junk from North Korea.

Armies with plenty of front line equipment take obsolete tanks out of mothballs and buy Junker Iranian drones.

It all makes perfect sense, it Putin-land.

12 ( +16 / -4 )

TokyoLiving

It is still a stagnant war, Russia can recover that land next month,

Well, at this point the Ukrainians probably haven't fortified this area, so anything can happen, but it's hard to see the Russians making any headway at this point. They have 25,000 extra troops cut off near Kherson, with limited access to supplies. That has made their troops across the rest of the front patchy, which Ukraine used to their advantage in this offensive. Many of the Russian troops have been running away and refusing to fight. In the last month before the Ukrainian offensive, the Russians have hardly moved the front.

the only way to stop this war is by negotiating and for Ukraine to cede the Dombass territories to Russia, otherwise this will not end..

Another way is for Ukraine to make gains like it has been, or did that solution elude you?

11 ( +15 / -4 )

It is still a stagnant war, Russia can recover that land next month

Wishful thinking by the fascist Russia supporters.

the only way to stop this war is by negotiating and for Ukraine to cede the Dombass territories to Russia, otherwise this will not end..

The Russians were arrogant enough to think they'd finish off the Afghans defending their land too. Until they left in body bags, and their tails between their legs.

Russians are not the tough fighters with unlimited resources their suppirters seem to believe.

Keep sending those fascist Russian invaders back to hell, Ukrainians!

15 ( +18 / -3 )

Why are some non-Russian posters upset if Ukraine retakes some of its territories?

10 ( +13 / -3 )

Why are some non-Russian posters upset if Ukraine retakes some of its territories?

Because they see it as being of benefit to Democratic Party of America.

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The Russians are out of:

Trained troops that are living and who still want to fight.

Equipment, even the junk.

Ammo.

BS excuses.

Now they're just losing.

They’re apparently not out of sticks and white cloth.

10 ( +14 / -4 )

Video of Ukrainian troops in central Kupyansk started circulating a few minutes ago. That city is the key transport (rail and road) hub in the region.

A few days ago it was over 60km behind the front line.

Russians are doing very badly.

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