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© Thomson Reuters 2022.Ukraine says half energy system crippled; Kyiv facing possible 'shutdown'
By Max Hunder and Jonathan Landay KYIV/KHERSON, Ukraine©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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The Avenger
Russia continues to dig its own grave. These attacks only strengthen the resolve of the Ukrainians and should provoke the Western democracies to step up their supplies of weapons to Ukraine. As for U.S. General Milley, has he ever had dinner with Putin, a la General Flynn?
tora
I would say the Ukraine is... The West are tiring of sending billions into a black hole.
UChosePoorly
Bronco - you do understand why Ukraine feels they can’t surrender to someone who is trying to starve and destroy their country, right? If someone was trying to destroy my city and take away our power, I don’t think my neighbors and I would be in a very surrendering mood.
ok1517
Once again what Russian invaders are best it.
Targeting civilians, doing their best to starve or freeze them to death.
UChosePoorly explaied everything else already.
Ukraine will prevail (in bold letters!)!
TokyoLiving
Well, it's a war and that's part of the plan to follow after Russia's tactical retreat..
The Russians know how to win wars taking advantage of the winter, as it happened with the armies of Napoleon and Hitler..
I hope the civilians can find shelter and save their lives..
Because Russia won't stop..
Nemo
Um, no. This is a lie. NATO never turned off the power systems for the express purpose of freezing people to death in the winter.
So there’s that.
englisc aspyrgend
russians doing what they are best at, fighting unarmed civilians, looting and murder. Russia must pay compensation for all the destruction they have caused, starting with all the assets currently frozen and sanctioned and moving on to anything else owned by poo tins oligarch cronies and the russian state.
Those responsible for this, be they russian politicians or military must face criminal prosecution.
PTownsend
Telling the truth, calling it a war, and no longer parroting the Kremlin's lie: 'it's a special operation" is still a punishable offense back in the Putin Federation, I wonder whether Russia will ape their pals China and set up detention centers around the globe to detain their citizens abroad, or whether Putin will have one of his inept thugs take some sort of toxic nerve agent abroad to deal with any of his citizens that might contradict what he imagines (like there are Nazis throughout Ukraine) and he sees as a threat. Putin seems to imagine all the world is part of his personal territory, or at least should be.
Sh1mon M4sada
I don't think this^^^ at all, I think Putin could have done this at the start and achieve his goals instead of the evil genocidal atrocities and indiscriminate attacks on civilian targets that he has been responsible for.
Putin would have received advice that the Iranian flying scooters are dumb bombs that can jammed with simple equipments, and that the Iranian has been using them as a terror tool rather than a strategic targeting munition. This makes Putin a terrorist.
ok1517
Bronco,
I hope you saw unbiased reports concerning the equipment of those Russian marauders compared with what Ukrainian troops already have and will get in the days and weeks to come. Sleeping in a tent made of plastic definitely won't be any fun. Summer uniforms (as you already mentioned concerning WW2 - Germans) won't be of any help either. Fighting with 1940 rifles ahainst HIMARS - good luck with that.
In the end it's always the same: Russia is a terrorist state using terrorist measures to terrorize civilians!
But: Ukraine will prevail!
u_s__reamer
So now the Ukrainians need to make the winter a tad colder for Russians, too. What's good for the goose...
kurisupisu
I don’t see how hundreds of thousands of people can live in sub zero temperatures.
Those people will die either by starvation or cold.
Those thousands will most definitely not prevail!
Yrral
Putin will do what he want to do,he can inflict as much pain on the Ukrainlan, because nobody will stop him
Sven
Germans are the ones who are going to freeze this winter because some wicked terrorist state whose leadership must be arrested and jailed for life at best, blew up the gas pipelines.
wallace
Putin could not occupy Ukraine so now he will try and destroy it. Evil midget.
Blacklabel
Sure sounds like time for a peace treaty.
Well if certain people would stop trying to trick us all into WW3 with deception and falsehoods.
Cards fan
Sure sounds like it's time for the invaders to go back home.
There wouldn't be a war if Russia hadn't invaded. Stop blaming everything on Ukraine.
kyushubill
Zelensky has had months for diplomacy, and refused. All those billions poured into him have only enabled his stubborness.
Blacklabel
Yeah you been saying that as wishful thinking for almost a year. So everyone gets to freeze to death if they don’t?
im trying to avoid people freezing to death. Not future posting “people wouldn’t have frozen to death if Russia wouldn’t have invaded” like you will be doing if Ukraine doesn’t fix this.
Rodney
you do know that Russia does not have any desire to engulf Ukraine. Just free Donbass and prevent the NATO threat. Poland has hinted on grabbing the west that was historically theirs though.
Cards fan
Wishful thinking? lol It's not wishful thinking. The US and the EU will continue to arm Ukraine until the fascist invaders go back home. They've already left Kherson.
No. You're again blaming Zelensky for the war, and letting Russia off the hook for invading.
Eastman
one simple question.
did you expect any different follow up from Russia after all?
if yes that you must be either very naive or have no idea about russian mentality.
Zelensky must go-at least because of last rocket missile thing.
UA people deserves better and more wise leader than him.
soon or later UA people will find out that as winter is knocking at doors and reality will kick in.
unfortunatelly possibility of change is not in hands of UA citizens as they are powerless in their own country.
it will be up to Zelensky bosses to decide if keep guy afloat and alive or just "dismiss him"-as same as they did with their dictators in latino world/they have rich experience/.than war will be over in few days.
so bad UA citizens still need die more for US interests.
Blacklabel
Is this before or after thousands freeze to death?
after, right?
Cards fan
Who says thousands upon thousands are going to freeze to death, and why are they going to freeze to death?
Blacklabel
Blaming Russia from inside a warm home only makes you feel better. It does nothing to prevent people from freezing.
what can we do to prevent this do we don’t have to blame anyone?
people act like it’s ok to let things happen as long as there is someone to point the finger of blame at. I disagree.
RichardPearce
So, now "SHOCK and AWE" is bad?
The Ukrainians who were fine when it was the Eastern Ukrainians facing hard winters because of the bombings carried out by the US installed regime are going to face their own, thanks to Zelensky and Biden, and might actually revolt against Zelensky before major military operations resume in the spring (best case scenario) or evacuate to places they won't be human shields for all the foreign weaponry Zelensky is relying on.
Cards fan
lol What? We should just reward Russia for their monstrous behavior by capitulating to their fascist, imperialist whims? Hey, what do you think will stop them from doing this again in the future? This is pathetic and servile.
It certainly isn't capitulating to Russia. It certainly isn't blaming Ukraine for the invasion.
And then other people look the other way while Russia rapes and pillages Ukraine, choosing instead to blame the victims.
UChosePoorly
I don’t see Ukraine surrendering any time soon. Does anyone here?
Eastman
UChosePoorlyToday 12:01 pm JST
I don’t see Ukraine surrendering any time soon. Does anyone here?
Thats right "heroi are winning" here-everyday?Did you ever heard about something like irony?
ClippetyClop
Nope. Some of the usual people desperately want then to surrender, as they feel it serves their interests in American right wing politics. No idea how that works but Putin is a hard habit to break for them.
Those people are trying to convince themselves that they just care about Ukranian people freezing to death. They don't care at all about that. They care about politics.
Cards fan
Did you heard abot someting diffrent? Russia winning so good they bomb infrastructure to freeze civilians. Cowards.
Blacklabel
Yet people will still freeze to death if nothing changes, and soon.
Your calling the people the people who did it names such as “fascist” and “cowards” means nothing to those who are freezing. Nor to those who are the cause of it.
UChosePoorly
Eastman - so do you think Ukraine will surrender? If so, when?
Cards fan
You don't know that.
I'm not calling them names, I'm describing what they are. They're fascists. If you kill civilians either directly with weapons, or by targeting infrastructure so that they freeze to do, you are a coward. Nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, you have advocated for here weather it's halting the flow of weapons to Ukraine, blaming Zelensky for the missiles landing in Poland, or demanding Ukraine broker a peace deal with the Russian invaders, would benefit the Ukrainian people.
In the end Russia will come back and demand more from Ukraine, and then what?
UChosePoorly
Blacklabel - if you truly care for the lives of Ukrainian civilians, and I believe you do, then you understand why they can’t surrender to the Russians.
Blacklabel
Well ok then. Guess you have this all solved by “calling fb what they are!”. So we don’t have to worry that Kyiv will have no electricity for the whole winter.
Not a problem for you, it seems.
Cards fan
My solution certainly seems to be more amiable to the people of Ukraine than your solution; not arming them any longer.
And apparently not a problem for the people of Ukraine either. At least, not enough so that they're willing to beg Putin for peace.
Honestly BL, what do you think will happen if Ukraine is forced into a peace treaty now? Do you think Russia won't do the same thing in the future?
Blacklabel
They may and they may not. But thousands of people will survive the winter if their leaders would just stop fighting and start talking.
but until the US funding is cut off, they aren’t forced to realize that.
Cards fan
Oh, they definitely will. Crimea wasn't enough, nor was Luhansk, nor was Donetsk. If you go back further, we can talk about Dagestan, Georgia, and South Ossetia. Putin made it very clear, he wants Russia to expand to it's previous borders.
That's an interesting way of putting it. It's very telling that you want Ukraine forced into a position they don't want to be in.
Blacklabel
I do. Which is why they need to consider that winter is coming and they have no electricity.
The West shouldn’t be allowed to fight Russia by proxy until the last Ukrainian. (Well next to last, Zelensky has mansions in Europe and Florida)
Blacklabel
None of you feel that in any way the West is “using” Ukraine by arming and funding them?
its just total good will and benevolence cause Russia invaded (after the US President dared them to for weeks?)
Cards fan
No you don't. And it's not true they have "no electricity." please.
Russia shouldn't be allowed to rape and pillage Ukraine, and yet you advocate for positions which make it easier for them to do so, and actually reward them for doing so.
Cards fan
Do I think it's just total good? No, and I don't care. It doesn't matter. Russia can end this whenever they decide.
Peter14
It is time for the west to provide long range missiles and allow Ukraine to use them on targets inside Russia, including Military targets, manufacturers of military ordinance and equipment and power distribution to areas supporting Russia's arms makers.
Time that Russians realise they are in a war and that brings unpleasant consequences to their lives, safety and convenience of having power and water when they need it, and not just to the other side.
2020hindsights
Blacklabel
Nope. Not at all. If Ukraine stops asking for aid, then we should stop giving. But now is not that time.
In fact, the West should step up the aid and include more missile defence systems. Russia needs to pause to regroup, Ukraine can't afford to give them that opportunity.
Peter14
Did you expect a different response from Ukraine to this invasion, destruction and death forced upon it by Russia?
If yes then your either naive or have no idea about Ukrainian mentality.
Putin must go at a minimum for the deaths and destruction he has caused to a nation of 44 million people.
Russian people desrve a better and wiser leader than Putin.
The people of Ukraine fully support Zelensky. Unlike Russan's with their incompetent leader.
Sadly the possibility of change is not in the hands of Russian people as they are powerless to stop Putin's rigged elections.
Zelensky bosses are the people of Ukraine and they continue to support him in his efforts to save their nation from invaders.
So very bad that UA and Russian's alike must die for Putin's interests. The only US interest is in maintaining the freedom of choice for Ukraine and its people to resist Russian occupation.
Blacklabel
And they have decided not to.
so what’s next?
Cards fan
Then you arm them to the teeth. You arm them until every last invader is either dead, captured, of flees back to Russia.
You don't force them into a position where they make a peace deal that even you acknowledge Russia may not even honor.
2020hindsights
Blacklabel
Russia can end this whenever they decide.
Arm Ukraine to expel Russia. I would have thought that was obvious. Russia doesn't want peace. They want a pause to regroup. We cannot allow that to happen.
Peter14
Russia can end this whenever they decide.
When a bully wants to keep on bullying you either give in and lose everything, or fight him until he gets a bloody nose and decides it is no longer worth the price to bully when the victim hits as hard as he (the bully) does.
Until Russia is directly attacked and has to rebuild infrastructure and cities of its own, until it pays the cost of war, it can continue to inflict destruction on Ukraine with impunity at home.
RichardPearce
Now, imagine if China sponsored a coup in Mexico, and the resultant regime got in a war with the Mexican provinces where the resorts are and had to rely on alQaida fighters (eventually letting them become a unit in the Mexican Army)
Do you think the US would invade? Would you blame the US if it waited years while alQaida waged war on the Mexicans of the resort provinces trying to diplomatically get China to get the 'Mexican government' to rein them in?
Because that's a pretty close analogy of what Russians see themselves as having faced and then done.
Cards fan
It really isn't. Fantastic fan fiction, though.
UChosePoorly
RichardPearce - I would be against that war of aggression just as I am against this one. Mexico is its own country. Would you be in favor of the US invading Mexico in your hypothetical?
Now if China invaded Mexico, and Mexico wanted our support, then I would be in favor of giving them that support.
2020hindsights
RichardPearce
No it isn't.
You are implying that the US sponsored a coup in Ukraine. They didn't.