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Ukraine says Russia seized relief workers in Mariupol convoy

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the Whole Russian military (& government) are nothing but a pack of Mafia thugs.

Stealing, bullying & now kidnapping.

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It’s the “Z” it doesn’t care about civilians it’s the “Z” it will kill destroy anything in its path. It’s not like people ask “Oh how was your interaction-with the “Z” ? Well my house was destroyed and my family are don’t know where but in general it’s been positive? Got to love the “Z” said an elderly man with a gun to his head.

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War is hell.

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Stealing, bullying & now kidnapping.

Russia will pay a very high price for that!

They will get what they deserve!

The whole world is watching what this mass murdering Mob is doing in the Ukraine.

And the whole world will never forget that!

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Putin’s aims remain to “get rid of the military potential of Ukraine”

So that Russia can invade at any time in the future when Ukraine does not follow Russian orders.

and to “ensure that Ukraine changes from an anti-Russian center to a neutral country,” Peskov said.

With a Russian installed pro Russian government and all future elections rigged for the pro Russian candidates.

Russian forces emblazoned with a "Z" is borrowing from Nazi symbolism as it was the "Z" (wolfsangel) symbol used by many Nazi units in WWII. These Russian Nazi's or as someone earlier called them "Zazi's".

The Russians increasingly are concentrating their air power and artillery on Ukraine’s cities and civilians.

A very Nazi like tactic and a war crime. Russians cleaning out Nazi's in Ukraine or trying to install Nazis into power there as they are in power in Russia itself?

The Red Cross confirmed a humanitarian aid convoy trying to reach the city had not been able to enter.

With the invaders needing supplies themselves they will take humanitarian supplies for their own use, and let none pass to the citizens of besieged cities.

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“There’s no connection with the world. We couldn’t ask for help," said Julia Krytska, who was helped by volunteers to make it out with her husband and son. "People don’t even have water there.”

Without fail, whenever the MSM quote a resident from Maruipol describing the situation they always leave out whom the person is blaming or the quote only includes the vague "they"

The carnage is real, but who are the locals angry at? The Russian military or the Azov Battalion?

The ethnic Greeks who escaped back to Greece all reported that it's the Azov Battalion that is not allowing civilians to leave.

Greece is an EU and NATO member and even their people are blaming Azov.

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I don't think anybody is remotely surprised that Mariupol is the heaviest fighting. It's the headquarters of Azov Battalion, they definitely won't surrender because what would be waiting for them, so they will do anything it takes to evade it.

Russian forces emblazoned with a "Z" is borrowing from Nazi symbolism as it was the "Z" (wolfsangel) symbol used by many Nazi units in WWII. These Russian Nazi's or as someone earlier called them "Zazi's".

I think you might be confused as to who is using the wolfsangel there, might be worth double-checking which side Azov is. You are totally right about the history of the symbolism with it though, a lot of people have tried to deny that for whatever reason, but it is very clearly documented.

The Z is just for West (Western Military District). V is the East (Eastern Military District). There's really not much special significance.

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 The Russian military or the Azov Battalion?

ZZZZ, tired. That's all the Putin social media have left? That narrative was dead before Putin massed his army at the border and claimed he was not going to invade. The Putin media puppets, in social media as well as global mainstream far right media have zero credibility. The more they repeat their tired fictions, the more ridiculous they come across, which is in line with other far right extremists claiming it's alien reptiles running things, and that there's a chip in the Covid vaccines. If they really want to serve their master Putin and push his Russian brand Zed of warmongering they should go back to the Russian Federation and take up arms

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The Z should know the other side can put them in permanent Z position too

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Azov battalion is actually a very small 900 at most, probably 600 now, So let’s compare it to the Chechen input? How does it compare? Ideology vs religious, who’s doing what to come out on top? The Chechens apparently refer to the Russians as lice, and have been given the job of policing the back lines, the Azov battalion front line. The Chechen fighters were hammered but the Azov fighters still in their positions, not condoning their views at all but credit pretty staunch bunch of dudes.

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@Bronco

You said: Without fail, whenever the MSM quote a resident from Maruipol describing the situation they always leave out whom the person is blaming or the quote only includes the vague "they"

For your information, it is acceptable to use pronouns such as ‘they’ when it is blindingly clear who is being referred to - the Russian military.

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For your information, it is acceptable to use pronouns such as ‘they’ when it is blindingly clear who is being referred to - the Russian military.

Let's not forget that the word "they" isn't even in his quote.

Just sloppiness.

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I think you might be confused as to who is using the wolfsangel there, might be worth double-checking which side Azov is.

Not confused at all, it is pretty simple. Russia accuses Ukraine of being run by Nazi's when it is being led by a Jew and Russia using Z symbol on vehicles just like Nazi's did in WWII with wolfsangel use of Z. Russia accuses Azov unit of being all Nazi's.

So apparently both sides are Nazi's who are fighting Nazi's. Russia seems to be led by a supreme fascist (Nazi), while Ukraine has a Jewish leader. Russia committing war crimes in front of cameras and providing video evidence as well as debris containing evidence of outlawed munitions and targeting of civilians and non military targets. No confusion there.

However some posters seem very confused as to who is committing the crimes against humanity (Russia) and who is fighting for freedom (Ukraine), from rabid invaders (Russia).

The carnage is real, but who are the locals angry at? The Russian military or the Azov Battalion?

The Russian military, obviously. The Russians are bombing their city to dust, while the Azov battalion defends the city from the fascist invaders. You may try to sound like your unsure of the reporting but clearly the crimes of Russia being carried out violently and daily are documented for future war crimes trials.

The locals venerate the defending Azov Battalion as saviors while Russian soldiers do their utmost to end locals lives.

I hope that clears things up for the posters who seem confused.

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@bronco

Greece is an EU and NATO member and even their people are blaming Azov.

just cause you say it, don’t make it true - Proof !

FYI, The azov battalion didn’t exist before 2014.

It was formed in direct response to the Russian invasion of the Donetsk region - to repel the invaders & protect the local citizens

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Using a well-worn trope from WW2 Putin would have the Russian people believe that Ukraine, led by a Jewish president, is infested with evil Nazis who hate Russian-speakers and are preventing Ukrainians from rejoining Mother Russia where their true home lies. In the real world Russians are going on a rampage like madmen who will burn down a house to rid it of roaches. Abducting Ukrainians is straight out of Stalin's playbook: he removed the entire population of Crimean Tartars from their homeland. No strategem is too low for the Kremlin desperado who now has got what every megalomaniac craves: a place in history alongside other "great leaders" (from Hell).

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> BroncoToday  05:15 pm JST

The ethnic Greeks who escaped back to Greece all reported that it's the Azov Battalion that is not allowing civilians to leave.

So you keep saying but it's only you who keeps saying that. Ethnic Greeks have joined the Azov Battalion in Muruipol, which is under the command of the Ukranian military. Russia keeps trying to place blame on the Azov and you bought it.

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Not confused at all, it is pretty simple. Russia accuses Ukraine of being run by Nazi's when it is being led by a Jew and Russia using Z symbol on vehicles just like Nazi's did in WWII with wolfsangel use of Z. Russia accuses Azov unit of being all Nazi's

Azov soldiers have the actual wolfsangel on their uniforms, not just a Z. They also have frequently used the black sun (even on a picture tweeted out by nato no less).

There’s really no debate as to the nature of Azov, it’s why the west’s defense has pivoted to either “there’s not that many of them” or “nazis are okay actually! As long as they’re fighting Russians”. If that’s your stance, at least just stand up and own it.

Side note, having a Jewish president doesn’t magically whitewash the entire country of Nazis. There were Jewish collaborators in WW2 too, sadly.

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But he insisted that the military operation was going “strictly in accordance with the plans and purposes that were established beforehand.”

Pull the other one, it’s got bells on.

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“nazis are okay actually! As long as they’re fighting Russians”. If that’s your stance, at least just stand up and own it.

Standing up! These Azov guys are ok in my book while fighting against invaders. The Russians invading Ukraine and killing civilians are many time worse in my personal opinion. You dont agree?

Stand up and own your support for invaders targeting civilians daily and illegally.

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Azov soldiers have the actual wolfsangel on their uniforms, not just a Z. They also have frequently used the black sun (even on a picture tweeted out by nato no less).

So what? Does the existence of neo-Nazis in a country mean Putin can invade? The Azov Battalion didn't exist before Russia fomented uprisings in eastern Ukraine.

Would you like to talk about the Wagner Group? Or maybe you'd like to talk about the right-wing extremist Russians now invading Ukraine? theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/20/russian-mercenaries-in-ukraine-linked-to-far-right-extremists

Funny how the invasion apologists never want to talk about that.

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The carnage is real, but who are the locals angry at? The Russian military or the Azov Battalion?

That’s easy. The one’s dropping bombs on them. Which one is that?

Any more questions?

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The “z” army will save us all, after destroying everything around us.

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There’s really no debate as to the nature of Azov, it’s why the west’s defense has pivoted to either “there’s not that many of them” or “nazis are okay actually! As long as they’re fighting Russians”. If that’s your stance, at least just stand up and own it.

Nobody has that stance. Nobody. Noooobody.

The stance, which you seem oblivious to, is that a handful of nazis in a country is not reasonable excuse to invade it, kill civilians and pretend you have the moral high ground.

By that same pretext Russia should be invaded tomorrow. There are more nazis in Russia or the USA than in Ukraine.

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Ukrainian leaders accused Russia of seizing 15 rescue workers and drivers from a humanitarian convoy trying to get desperately needed food and other supplies into the bloodied port city of Mariupol

the best solution - remove troops from residential areas

Ah - this is a human shield for Ukrainian Army.

Most fights they have inside big cities not outside.

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The stance, which you seem oblivious to, is that a handful of nazis in a country is not reasonable excuse to invade it, kill civilians and pretend you have the moral high ground.

The first and most important ceasefire condition - DEnazification of Ukraine.

Ukrainian response - NO

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Ukrainian response - NO

How many Nazis are in Ukraine? How many in power there?

De-nazify your own country first there, pal.

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The first and most important ceasefire condition - DEnazification of Ukraine.

Ukrainian response - NO

You’ve been tricked Oleg.

I guess it’s a natural response to try tricking everyone else because the truth would make you look bad.

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the best solution - remove troops from residential areas

To allow Russian troops to move in unopposed, arrest mayors and install pro Russian mayors and officials? Not a viable option at all for Ukraine.

Ah - this is a human shield for Ukrainian Army.

You do not understand at all. The Ukraine army units ARE the shield, for the citizens against Russian invaders.

The first and most important ceasefire condition - DEnazification of Ukraine.

The Ukraine is not Nazified so cannot denazify. As others have pointed out there are many times more Nazi's in Russia and USA than in Ukraine. When will Russia denazify?

Ukrainian response - NO

Because it is not nazified. Cant do the impossible. Russia knows this and uses it as its excuse to invade, murder and re russify Ukraine leadership.

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How many Nazis are in Ukraine? How many in power there?

For example: in Mariupol commander of normal Ukrainian Army want to remove Ukrainian troops from

city.

But he was just shot by nazi from Azow and battle starts in this city.

They can shoot anybody in Ukraine.

Even president Zelenskiy can't say anything against them.

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For example: in Mariupol commander of normal Ukrainian Army want to remove Ukrainian troops from

city.

But he was just shot by nazi from Azow and battle starts in this city.

Blah blah blah propaganda blah blah, no proof, blah blah make impossible accusations blah blah.

Really, give it a rest. Nobody but pro Russians are buying anything your selling.

Russian units abandoning the fight for its immoral nature are being shot by Chechen mercenaries hired by Putin, as they withdraw, to keep conscripts at the front. another disgrace for Russia.

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Mariupol is where the AZOV battalion is stationed. Anything going in or out will be under suspicion. Any military would do this.

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For example: in Mariupol commander of normal Ukrainian Army want to remove Ukrainian troops from

That isn't an answer, Olegek. You don't know how many neo-Nazis there are because there aren't that many, and the propaganda you consume doesn't tell you.

De-nazify your own country first.

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These Azov guys are ok in my book while fighting against invaders.

Appreciate the honesty Peter.

The stance, which you seem oblivious to, is that a handful of nazis in a country is not reasonable excuse to invade it, kill civilians and pretend you have the moral high ground.

I would fully agree if that was the sole reason for the invasion. It’s certainly A reason and it should maybe give people pause that things aren’t so black and white. Maybe the side taking the opportunity to tie Romani to light poles are not the pinnacle of democracy and freedom that American media wants to paint them as. Maybe Russians aren’t devil worshippers trying to conquer the entirety of Europe.

While I would obviously prefer no invasion or loss of life to be necessary at all, I don’t think I have talked to any leftist who are happy about the invasion, every attempt up to this point has fallen apart. In all honesty, a lot of the blame for that doesn’t lie at the feet of the Ukrainian people, they’re a catspaw in this ultimately.

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Maybe Russians aren’t devil worshippers trying to conquer the entirety of Europe.

The ones that are invading, and support the war certainly are. I'm so sick and tired of hearing how a fraction, of a fraction, of the Ukrainian population are neo-Nazis that this is somehow justified. It's not, yet your posts by implication suggest they are. It's shameful.

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Mariupol commander of normal Ukrainian Army want to remove Ukrainian troops from

city.

But he was just shot by nazi from Azow and battle starts in this city.

What are their names?

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Maybe Russians aren’t devil worshippers trying to conquer the entirety of Europe.

I have a great respect for the Russian people, the great majority of them anyway.

The Russians supporting this war and spreading rubbish propaganda are a minority and deserve every condemnation.

The majority of Russians suffering for this foolishness deserve pity and support.

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