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Ukraine warns of 'nuclear terrorism' after strike near plant

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bombing dams, recruiting murderers, mass executions & now targeting nuclear power plants.

Is there no limit to Putin’s desperation ?

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Ukraine has serious issues regarding man power. The losses have been that severe. But it's ok, US/NATO has a solution. From October 1st women of fighting age are forbidden to leave the country and are to be conscripted. And here we all thought, "fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian" was merely a cliche. never underestimate the ruthlessness of US/NATO!

But in keeping with US/NATO values, the rich can legally pay for an exemption. Pretty steep. Around US$5000. Well out of reach for a typical working class man or woman. So the male kids of the rich can go about partying in Kiev while the working class women are conscripted and sent to the front line. I'm glad US/NATO values aren't wavering.

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Bronco - Russians control the one (ZNPP) for now, but not the other (SUNPP).

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Ukraine has serious issues regarding man power. 

Nowhere near as serious as Russia’s. The army they sent in on Feb. 24th has effectively been destroyed. Its been replaced by an ad hoc group of fighters from different organizations - Wagner PMC, Donbass militias, Chechens, Rosgvardia, surviving Russian military units - that are each operate more or less on their own with little cooperation between them. New recruits are not being used to replenish depleted formations in the regular army, but rather to create new “volunteer” battalions that lack training and are just being thrown into this mix piecemeal.

Its a disaster for the Russians. Their “military”, if you can still call it that, is a disorganized, understrength mess. They can’t win a war with that.

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russias efforts at a false flag operation are seen through by the whole world. Trying to avoid responsibility for their actions are standard behaviour for russians, if they just turn it off there is no avoiding responsibility for their actions.

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Nice Russian propaganda mr Russian troll.

Over 50,000 Ukrainian women have volunteered for the military.

Ok. So is anything I stated false?

第一: Ukrainian losses have been terrible. As a result, they are having manpower issues.

第二: US/NATO found a solution. From October 1st, women of fighting age can't leave the country (legally) and are to be conscripted.

第三: In keeping with US/NATO values, the rich, men and women, can pay to be exempted.

Is any of that false?

Nowhere near as serious as Russia’s (manpower issues)

This is US/NATO political erotica. Russia has about 120k troops in Ukraine. Ukrainians fighting against fascism add about another 80k to that. Russia has a professional army of 1.2 million. Of course they are keeping most back for NATO proper and understand the telling factor in the war is the economic war vs the collective West.

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@axel

More importantly, is any of that true.

just you saying it doesn’t make it true.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/06/12/7352054/

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Err... umm... does this "expert" know that Russian soldiers are already in full control of the plant and can merely turn it off from the inside if they wanted to?

No they couldn’t. If they could they wouldn’t need to be holding the Ukrainian techs there at gunpoint. Russians in the plant have no idea how any of it works.

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@axel

More importantly, is any of that true.

just you saying it doesn’t make it true.

It's true according to the government of Ukraine. Sometimes they do more than run around talking about the all the virtues and blessings of the model democrat, Stephan Bandera and peace-loving liberals of the Azov Battalion.

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No they couldn’t. If they could they wouldn’t need to be holding the Ukrainian techs there at gunpoint. Russians in the plant have no idea how any of it works.

Why even debate this even if there are no Russian there who knows they can order the Ukrainians to do it

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@axel

you might want to also explain if Russia has so many troops, why are they recruiting convicted murderers & rapists from their jails ?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-war-wagner-putin-chef-prisoners-recruitment-mercenaries-rcna48035

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you might want to also explain if Russia has so many troops, why are they recruiting convicted murderers & rapists from their jails ?

This is what they call "projection". It is well documented that is precisely what Ukraine did. Not really a major issue by this point. Most are already dead.

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There are Russian troops inside the NPP but all the skilled operators are Ukraine. Dangerous to have armed people inside the plant who have no knowledge how the plant works.

Putin wants to divert the power from the NPP to Russia.

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Over 50,000 Ukrainian women have volunteered for the military.

Doesn't look good

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you might want to also explain if Russia has so many troops, why are they recruiting convicted murderers & rapists from their jails ?

good move for me even if they have billiions of professional troops

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Why even debate this even if there are no Russian there who knows they can order the Ukrainians to do it

Say the Ukrainians refuse… what are the Russian morons going to do then? OK, they shoot, they have even less options.

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Russians in the plant have no idea how any of it works.

Odd considering the plant was built by the Russians to a Russian design.

And the missile in question, if it actually exists, would not be Russian. They are not firing misiles at themselves.

They control the plant and a large area around it. They may be firing missiles FROM the area of the plant but not at it.

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Odd considering the plant was built by the Russians to a Russian design.

It is odd isn’t it? Would look better for them if they just let the Ukrainian techs leave. Why the gun point hostage situation when they could just do it themselves?

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Mr K - the missile in question was fired at the Southern Ukraine Nuclear Power near Yuzhnoukrainsk, which is a different NPP than the one in Enerhodar. The SUNPP is well behind Ukrainian front lines and is not near a combat zone.

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They control the plant and a large area around it. They may be firing missiles FROM the area of the plant but not at it.

Missile in question was fired at a plant the Russians are not occupying.

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Mr Kipling

yes, the plant was built by the Soviets but the troops occupying the NPP have no training or skill in nuclear energy. The troops are in control of the plant but not controlling it. Seen during the IAEA inspection revealed Russian military trucks and armored vehicles in the turbine halls. The contents of the trucks are unknown but if they contain ammo then that is dangerous.

Russian missiles fired over the plant could fail.

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Ukraine funding is gonna be cut,to fund American disaster

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The Russian troop is occupying the Zaporizhzhia plant but not the South Ukraine Nuclear Power Plant. The operators of that plant have frequent daily air raid warning of possible missile strikes forcing them to stop and take lower shelter.

https://youtu.be/JoAKRk1M6M4

Zaporizhzhia nuclear reactors won't restart until Russians leave, its operator says

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/15/1122908577/ukraine-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-power-plant-operator-russia

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Say the Ukrainians refuse… what are the Russian morons going to do then? OK, they shoot, they have even less options

Ah yes that must be the reason they are shelling themselves.

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Wallace,US will curtail their support for Ukrainain,when the people of Puerto Rico raise hell about their storm damage,the US support for Ukrainain is not a priority too these people

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Doesn't look good

it doesn’t ? I would say the opposite.

The fact that so many women are willing to join the military to fight for their freedom, & evict all the Russian invaders out of their country is a fantastic look.

compare this to Russia who has resorted to offering special bonuses to entice their citizens to join (not working btw) or beg Syria to lend them soldiers (not working either) or recruiting convicted criminals (all dead apparently)

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As a result, US/NATO has found a solution. From Oct 1, women of fighting age may no longer (legally) leave the country. They are to be conscripted. 

In keeping with US/NATO values, the rich can pay a sum to be exempted. Men and women. 

Those are facts.

Prove it. Until then, you are arguing

How about you? Is it something personal? Are you a disciple of Stephan Bendera? Or maybe a follower of who he followed which was big in Germany? Or just that the ruling class has told you that's how you should feel?

I just don’t like the ongoing Russian lies perpetuating this war. Now try to be more civil. You might be offended by what I say but I have not tried to directly insult you or anyone else except the Russian morons in Ukraine.

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Doesn't look good

it doesn’t ? I would say the opposite.

The fact that so many women are willing to join the military to fight for their freedom, & evict all the Russian invaders out of their country is a fantastic look.

If this was on the start of the war it will look good.

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Russia - Nuclear terrorists and war criminals. I doubt most Russians want to be known as such but they are now. Time to dispatch the Russian bear, enough is enough.

Vlad the Terrible, destroyer of Russia.

All part of Putin’s ploy. He would like everyone to think he is unhinged, not the bully coward that he actually is.

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You want me to run around gathering links for you? You are really funny!

So you’re liar.

I'm not offended by what you say. I find it hilarious. I'm just wondering where it comes from. Are you a Banderite fascist? Out and out N@zi? Or just think as the ruling class commands?

And you support rapists.

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Ah yes that must be the reason they are shelling themselves.

for the record, I have never claimed that Russians are shelling the plant. They are however firing from the plant and therefore attracting return fire. They’re using it as one uses human shields. Russians are good at that

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This is disinformation. Women are not banned from leaving the country. It is a Kremlin fairy tale.

"The information disseminated on social media, as if women of suitable age for military service in Ukraine are prohibited from leaving the country as of October 1, is false. The Ministry of Defense submitted to the Verkhovna Rada the initiative “On Military Duty and Military Service” on the voluntary nature of women’s military conscription.

According to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, from October 1st, 2022, there will be no ban on travelling abroad or restrictions on crossing the state border for women eligible for military service. " https://mythdetector.ge/en/are-ukrainian-women-not-permitted-to-leave-the-country-as-of-october-1/

> As a result, US/NATO has found a solution. From Oct 1, women of fighting age may no longer (legally) leave the country. They are to be conscripted.

In keeping with US/NATO values, the rich can pay a sum to be exempted. Men and women.

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@tooheysnew

I just did a DuckDuckGo search for "Ukraine women October 1".

The first entry is a Ukrainian English language site saying just as I said. The next 2 are websites asking if it's true. The 4th is another Ukrainian website saying just that. Are you able to do a DuckDuckGo search for yourself?

The moral of the story; Never underestimate the ruthlessness of US/NATO.

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@axel

i will actually rebutt your claim with a link (again)

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/06/12/7352054/

blatant Russian propaganda

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Wallace,do you think wise to be operating a nuclear power plant in a war zone

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@tooheysnew

Did you manage to work out that DuckDuckGo search? Or you believe Ukrainian Pravda?

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Yrral

Putin/Russia is the invader and aggressor.

Even if the reactors are shut down they require constant cooling. The spent fuel in pools needs constant colling. An NPP is not something you can just flick a switch to turn off.

According to Putin, it is not a war zone. It is an occupation.

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Well it’s more than you provided.

and I’ve found nothing to support your claims about the US & NATO - so we’ll just call that what it is - BS

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More likely that the moral of the story is, check your "facts" to make sure they're not Kremlin propaganda... This story was already disproven. You're sounding a bit desperate.

I just did a DuckDuckGo search for "Ukraine women October 1".

The first entry is a Ukrainian English language site saying just as I said. The next 2 are websites asking if it's true. The 4th is another Ukrainian website saying just that. Are you able to do a DuckDuckGo search for yourself?

The moral of the story; Never underestimate the ruthlessness of US/NATO.

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Axel - if you have already done the search, then you are halfway there. You can post the links to these sites here and we will take a look and judge for ourselves.

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@fallaffel

Just for you and @tooheysnew I did something I very rarely do these days, a Google search. I searched for "Ukraine women, October 1". Now US secret police have it in their records. Anyway, the Google search is exactly the same as the DuckDuckGo search.

The first several entries are about Ukrainian women of fighting age being banned from leaving the country from October 1 and how they are to be conscripted.

I'm surprised Google hasn't buried it. Obviously a DuckDuckGo search is too technical but how about a Google search?

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@axel

i too can look things up on duck duck, & found this link ;

https://mythdetector.ge/en/are-ukrainian-women-not-permitted-to-leave-the-country-as-of-october-1/

I have pasted the highlights here -

According to the Ministry of Defense ofUkraine, from October 1st, 2022, there will be no ban on travelling abroad or restrictions on crossing the state border for women eligible for military service.

It should also be noted that military conscription is offered to women on a voluntary basis.

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Bronco

Patricia Lewis, the international security research director at the Chatham House think-tank in London, said attacks at the Zaporizhzhia plant and Monday's strike on the South Ukraine plant indicated that the Russian military was attempting to knock Ukrainian nuclear plants offline before winter.

Err... umm... does this "expert" know that Russian soldiers are already in full control of the plant and can merely turn it off from the inside if they wanted to?

No they can't the nuclear power plant that they fired at, is in Ukrainian held territory.

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The Russians are getting their asses kicked in Luhansk so either they decided to target the plant (which is not the one they’re occupying) and missed or they didn’t and almost hit it.

Either way:

A) the Russians did this.

B) their cruise missiles suck

C) the fan-bois are getting pretty desperate in their attempts to defend the indefensible.

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A) the Russians did this.

B) their cruise missiles suck

C) the fan-bois are getting pretty desperate in their attempts to defend the indefensible.

I’d say all three.

some of their comments here today are ridiculous.

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The first several entries are about Ukrainian women of fighting age being banned from leaving the country from October 1 and how they are to be conscripted.

Sorry, but this statement is just not correct. What you're talking about has been pushed back until October 1st, 2023, and that is for some, not all, women.

https://visitukraine.today/blog/808/departure-of-women-abroad-from-october-1-the-final-decision-of-the-ministry-of-defense-of-ukraine

Furthermore, this is a decision by the government of Ukraine- not the US or NATO, and personally, I think women are every bit as capable as men to serve their country.

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some of their comments here today are ridiculous.

Plus, Putin just literally threatened “warning shots” against civilian infrastructure. Was he bluffing? Or is this one of them?

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for the record, I have never claimed that Russians are shelling the plant. They are however firing from the plant and therefore attracting return fire. 

Nice. Something that actually makes sense

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personally, I think women are every bit as capable as men to serve their country.

Sure

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proof that the Ukrainlan are not winning in the South ,their are people that map the conflict everyday ,these map with Red areas are Russian,Blue areas are Ukrainain,it a Google Map War Viewer Google Ukraine Control Map Viewer

I've been watching those maps. The Blue area is getting bigger, the Red area is getting smaller. Not sure how you logically conclude that this provides evidence that the Blue side (Ukraine) is "not winning".

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War crimes beyond imagination in the formerly occupied areas.

Behavior straight out of the violent domestic abuser’s handbook “If I can’t have you, I’ll make sure nobody else can” strikes dams and power stations. And denial that beggars sanity on-line.

That’s Russia’s “contribution” to the globe.

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Wallace,, Ukrainain have to the end of the year,too make progress,we will have a new speaker in January after the election,their priorities will not be Ukraine

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Nice. Something that actually makes sense

You see? It’s easy! Now you try.

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Yrral - good thing Ukraine is making progress then, is it not?

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 They are however firing from the plant and therefore attracting return fire. 

odd that you dont allow that excuse to be used when Ukrainian military forces are firing from nursing homes, apartment buildings and schools, among other civilian locations.

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odd that you dont allow that excuse to be used when Ukrainian military forces are firing from nursing homes, apartment buildings and schools, among other civilian locations.

Odd that the supposed stronger army needs to use a nuclear power plant as a shield.

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Blacklabel - The big difference is that all those nursing homes, apartment buildings, schools and other civilian locations are located inside Ukraine. The Ukrainians have every right to be there. Russia has no right to be there. If the orcs don’t like being shot at from Ukrainian locations then all they have to do is go home.

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How dare those cheeky Ukrainians utilize their own land in defense of their own land from an invasion.

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Black doesn’t believe that Ukraine should be defending itself from invasion.

Well, he does, but unfortunately 'The Left' believe that too so he isn't allowed to. 'America Second' will have to do for the moment.

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If the orcs don’t like being shot at from Ukrainian locations then all they have to do is go home.

isnt that a war crime for military to use civilians as human shields?

I dont see any "but we were invaded" exceptions to the war crimes statues that are being ignored by Ukraine (and posters here).

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Odd that the supposed stronger army needs to use a nuclear power plant as a shield.

but this one- its not the one that Russia controls!!! say posters here. right?

No they can't the nuclear power plant that they fired at, is in Ukrainian held territory.

and

so either they decided to target the plant (which is not the one they’re occupying) 

So yeah, right.

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Blacklabel

many Russian torture chambers discovered. Electrical torture equipment found.

https://youtu.be/Tsph6DVyYBQ

Mass graves with more than 450 bodies some showing signs of torture.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/16/ukraine-mass-grave-with-440-bodies-discovered-in-recaptured-izium-says-police-chief

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Blacklabel - I am not an attorney, but I would imagine that prosecutors have discretion as to which violations of the Geneva Conventions they choose to prosecute.

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The funny thing about human shields is that one has to be forcibly held against one’s will in harm’s way in order to qualify as one.

There is precisely zero evidence of this.

In fact on this very site, some posters said that mandatory civilian evacuations in advance of expected Russian attacks amounted to forced migration on the part of Ukraine.

So if Ukraine proactively moves it’s population it’s guilty of a crime. If it doesn’t, it’s guilty of a crime (for which there is zero evidence.)

Hiw convenient for the forces of fascism.

If only Ukraine, like the victims of the Borg, would realize that resistance is futile, lower their weapons and prepare to be assimilated we would have “peace”, eh?

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but this one- its not the one that Russia controls!!! say posters here. right?

Right. Russians firing missiles at plants they don’t control. What’s particularly surprising about that? We weren’t talking about this one. Some people have been claiming Russians wouldn’t fire upon themselves, which is a fair claim, but they’re talking about the Russians at Zaporizhzhia, not this plant which is not occupied by the Russians. So why does the supposed stronger force still continue to shield themselves with the Zaporizhzhia plant? There are two parts to this. Please follow.

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The US army says otherwise. I'll go with them.

Now that's interesting. Care to show where'd they say it?

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They're every bit as capable as the men in combat?

I served four years in the army alongside some female soldiers. There are good and bad female soldiers, as there are with men.

That said, its idiotic to judge an army's effectiveness simply by the fact that it allows women to serve. I'd much rather serve alongside a motivated female Ukrainian soldier trained to NATO standards than I would a male Russian soldier recruited directly from a prison and given almost no training at all and likely to drop everything at the first sight of a free washing machine.

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Nice. Something that actually makes sense

So what's the implication

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That said, its idiotic to judge an army's effectiveness simply by the fact that it allows women to serve

Of course

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