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Russia evacuates 'Diplomats'; first chuckle(not) of the morning.

Russia and diplomacy: Never the twain shall meet.

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Russian politican are delusional

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Someone has to withdraw Putin from his position.

This man is insane and he will draw the world in a big war.

Someone must stop him before it is too late.

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The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, warned that an all-out Russian invasion could displace five million people, triggering a new European refugee crisis.

If this is not a fifth column endorsement of the Russian actions, by a former president, as reported by a conservative outlet, then what is?

https://fortune.com/2022/02/23/trump-cheers-putin-ukraine-invasion-as-savvy-genius-russia/

Ignoring his bone spurs and enlisting in Putin's army?

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Germany has said it is halting certification of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline from Russia.

Russia provides some 40% of the energy to Europe. Nothing has passed through this pipeline.

German banks handled Iranian oil money back in the Obama days. Penalties are not imposed on financial violators, and energy companies violated US sanctions.

The US will be busy sanctimoniously sanctioning the sanction violators.

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This man is insane and he will draw the world in a big war.

Though the Putin cultists spent months posting anyone even questioning their idol is a warmonger, it's clear to reasonable people, (i.e. those who do not blindly follow Tucker/Trump etal) that Putin is a warmonger. It's probably not possible to find out what percent of the Russian Federation's various military defense corporations is owned and/or controlled by Putin and his oligarchs but I think it must be substantial. War is not just profitable for the US and NATO nations and their masters of war, but it is also profitable for Putin, as if he needs any more money given the reputed profits he has made from state owned Russian oil and gas. Russia is like Venezuela and Iran, fossil fuel rich with the money going to a fraction of the country's wealthiest people, while the rest of the country struggles to make ends meet. In the oil states it's as if they never left the feudal era. Will the Russian Orthodox Church which Putin claims to be such a staunch member go back to owning serfs?

It's the far rightists who disdain the notion of progress.They want to keep the world hooked on burning huge amounts of oil and gas so their idols, the modern royals can have even greater riches, more palaces and luxury yachts. The tsars and kings of old are jealous rolling in their graves. What other modern politicians today want to rob from their democratic nations so they can live like Putin and his fellow authoritarian ilk?

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Every morning, for the past 2 months, I wake up and fully prepared to read about Russia invading Ukraine.

It hasn't happened yet, but I see new articles daily about how the "attack is imminent".

At this point, I cannot think of anything else but that it's all just warmongering and fear mongering from the US to deflect their own failures.

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All those that villify Putin and Russia need to go and learn History and the past agreements between Russia and Ukrain which still stand today.

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I cannot think of anything else but that it's all just warmongering and fear mongering from the US

Let us all hope that you are correct.

Because if you are wrong, and Russia really attacks Ukraine, incl. Kiev, then the world has a big big problem.

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Putins final chapter.

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Isn't the very presence of Russian forces in Ukraine an attack?

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Quite obvious many don’t realize they’ve been spoon fed anti-Putin propaganda for the last 16 years. After all, with a military the size and cost the US has, you certainly wanna convince as many as possible that everyone else is the bad guy. LOL It’s an amazing thing to witness.

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vic.MToday  07:52 am JST

All those that villify Putin and Russia need to go and learn History and the past agreements between Russia and Ukrain which still stand today.

Right, so those that DON'T 'vilify' (think that's the word you were looking for) Putin and Russia and support him, don't need to learn any history.

Sounds about right, after hearing Putin's rant on Ukrainian history.

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Quite obvious many don’t realize they’ve been spoon fed anti-Putin propaganda for the last 16 years

lol Propaganda? One need look no further than Putins speech. It sounded like something a Nazi would say. Anyone want to defend this rhetoric?

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FizzBit

Quite obvious many don’t realize they’ve been spoon fed anti-Putin propaganda for the last 16 years.

The sad thing is that it isn't propaganda. I mean the guy murders journalists and imprisons his opposition through his corrupt courts. He does this in full view. First he poisons Navalny then he throws him in jail.

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Quite obvious many don’t realize they’ve been spoon fed anti-Putin propaganda for the last 16 years. After all, with a military the size and cost the US has, you certainly wanna convince as many as possible that everyone else is the bad guy. LOL It’s an amazing thing to witness.

And the daily Fox News talking point from the previous evening - this was the theme of Comrade Carlson's show last night - along with a lot of other Putin fan-boying...

"Don't believe your eyes, there aren't 160K Russian troops, tanks, aircraft, and missiles encircling Ukraine....just like there weren't thousands of violent insurrectionists rioting thorough the Capitol on Jan 6th....in both cases, these are just "peaceful tourists"....

The far-out, wacky, deluded world of MAGA....partnering with Putin to destroy American democracy from outside and within...

And since we got no takers yesterday, once again help us understand how the Russian invasion into Ukraine is "wonderful"....

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Isn't the very presence of Russian forces in Ukraine an attack?

Sure, if you also accept that the US is attacking Japan/Germany/etc.

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No complaints please, forgotten?, they’ve been one of your ‘allies’ for decades and you’ve made them afterwards such too big that they now can become aggressive themselves. Errors in history have a price too and this is to be paid one day sooner or many decades later, whenever.

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How many months can the media milk the word "imminent"?

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How many months can the media milk the word "imminent"?

Normally, I'd respond that even a broken clock is correct twice a day, but I think in this case it will never be correct.

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Sure, if you also accept that the US is attacking Japan/Germany/etc.

The difference, of course, being the government's of those countries want them there. The Ukrainian government most certainly does not want or need Russian troops in Ukraine.

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Though the Putin cultists spent months posting anyone even questioning their idol is a warmonger,

Idol? Hardly, but when the previous President tried to normalize relations with Russia and NK the left seemed like they were cheering on these dictators, now it’s a bad thing? No one likes Putin, but when you think how easily he checkmated Biden, it is kinda astonishing.

it's clear to reasonable people, (i.e. those who do not blindly follow Tucker/Trump etal) that Putin is a warmonger.

No, because none of these people even want the US to be in the region and they have been very clear on pointing that out every single not and no one on the left can prove that people on the right wholeheartedly support an invasion.

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And it was just what, 3 years ago or so when we didn't have to worry about China, North Korea, Russia, Trudeau . . .

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War is not just profitable for the US and NATO nations and their masters of war, but it is also profitable for Putin,

War always is and will be for any nation, that is one small part of it.

Russia is like Venezuela and Iran, fossil fuel rich with the money going to a fraction of the country's wealthiest people, while the rest of the country struggles to make ends meet. In the oil states it's as if they never left the feudal era. Will the Russian Orthodox Church which Putin claims to be such a staunch member go back to owning serfs? 

I think that’s the last thing anyone is thinking about….really..

It's the far rightists who disdain the notion of progress.

No, quite the opposite, we love progress just don’t burden the US taxpayer with new progress. Pitch and push the private sector to invest into future progress and development.

They want to keep the world hooked on burning huge amounts of oil and gas

No, we want to find cleaner, and more environmentally efficient fuel sources, but it needs to be 100% reliable and long lasting and that it can replace the many usages of crude oil, but until that day comes, we need to keep fossil fuels.

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Biden was declaiming a victory kind of stand after his stupid sanctions .....

Watch the real situation by the weak leader and effects ..

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/23/world/europe/china-russia-ukraine-sanctions.html

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Call Trump and save USA and Europe ...And next Taiwan ..

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This morning DW Germany news reported that 73% of Russians support Putin's moves in the Ukraine, now Putin must be thinking he can go all the way and fulfill his dream of re establishing the old Soviet Union.

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Taking a step back, to 2014 to be precise.

Joint Statement of the NATO-Ukraine Commission......Sept 2014

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_112695.htm

*European Parliament resolution of 18 September 2014 on the situation in Ukraine and the state of play of EU-Russia relations* 

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-8-2014-0025_EN.html

The distance between Kiev and Moscow is just 860 km.

There is a debate to be had as to why the EU NATO did not stop and think of the future consequences of such a proposal. President Putin clearly did.

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so again WHY is Biden so insistent that only he can "save" Ukraine? Actually Germany is leading the way, to block the pipeline that Biden supported.

Why do we as Americans care about this? could it just be a Biden specific issue due to those paychecks his family received and cashed there?

Biden had huge praise for Putin previously, called him the second coming of Peter the Great and was "close to amazed" how Putin was moving towards democracy.

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New conservative motto:

"I'll praise Vlad if it makes Biden look bad."

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so again WHY is Biden so insistent that only he can "save" Ukraine? Actually Germany is leading the way, to block the pipeline that Biden supported.

Where did Biden say only he could save Ukraine?

Why do we as Americans care about this? could it just be a Biden specific issue due to those paychecks his family received and cashed there?

Baseless conspiracy theory. The US has long supported Ukraine. Also, most countries support them as well. The EU does, Japan does, Turkey and Israel as well. I think the US is in good company backing Ukraine. And lastly, why shouldn't the US back Ukraine?

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The conservative (GOP and "independents") motto: "Party First!"

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The conservative (GOP and "independents") motto: "Party First!"

Actually, it's "America first" just wish this admin would support that feeling.

"I'll praise Vlad if it makes Biden look bad."

Biden is making Biden look bad...for the second time.

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bass4funkToday  09:45 am JST

The conservative (GOP and "independents") motto: "Party First!"

Actually, it's "America first" just wish this admin would support that feeling.

"I'll praise Vlad if it makes Biden look bad."

Biden is making Biden look bad...for the second time.

Actually, it was "Trump first" which explains the problems the country has been facing the last 6 years!

China, Russia, and North Korea was made fools of thanks to the Obama's administration, and Trump opened up Pandora's box!

Trump was Putin's best investment ever against the West and democracy.

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And Trump keeps on giving back with all the public and support that he gives handler on the world stage.

Maybe Putin will help to install Trump into office again if he is luckily.

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And the daily Fox News talking point from the previous evening - this was the theme of Comrade Carlson's show last night -

I see you're criticizing your fellow far-rightist for regurgitating what Carlson said the night before....I agree, we don't need mindless Fox News talking points repeated verbatim...

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-hate-putin-americans-suffer

"Don't believe your eyes, there aren't 160K Russian troops, tanks, aircraft, and missiles encircling Ukraine....just like there weren't thousands of violent insurrectionists rioting thorough the Capitol on Jan 6th....in both cases, these are just "peaceful tourists"....

hey its Jan 6th again. and Fox News and Tucker Carlson, again.

I see you don't have the ability to see the parallels....unfortunate....

None of which are relevant to this article.

The go-to reply when they're put in a corner and have no answer....

And one more time, care to explain what is "wonderful" about Putin's invasion?

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President Biden announced a fresh tranche of sanctions directed at NORD stream 2.

How Blocking the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Hurts Vladimir Putin's Plans

https://www.newsweek.com/how-blocking-nord-stream-2-pipeline-hurts-vladimir-putins-plans-1682010

"Today, I have directed my administration to impose sanctions on Nord Stream 2 AG and its corporate officers," Biden said in a Wednesday statement. "These steps are another piece of our initial tranche of sanctions in response to Russia's actions in Ukraine. As I have made clear, we will not hesitate to take further steps if Russia continues to escalate."

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The Russian oligarchs should be next!

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Blacklabel

Biden had huge praise for Putin previously, called him the second coming of Peter the Great and was "close to amazed" how Putin was moving towards democracy.

I think he called him a murderer.

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no, he called him Peter the Great and was amazed by him 20 years ago.

Want the video?

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The fact is, this is happening on Biden's watch.

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For the majority of republican supporters and leaders, it's about using the crisis for their partisan politics.

That would be the other way around.

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War fears mount as Ukraine mo

Watch the fearing real situation of this war

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yz0AXHWz5E

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can’t help but notice your lack of a response to this

Biden started all this nonsense on his own. these other leaders had their separate meetings with Putin to resolve it without Biden, didnt work. Putin smells the Biden weakness.

So these other countries have no choice but to follow Biden as member nations of NATO.

So why did Biden care about Ukraine so much to start all of this?

MSNBC says its his overconfidence in his foreign policy abilities and his ego that only he can stand up to Putin. Plus he thinks it will help his polling and unite the American people in a way that he has been unable to do.

Problem is American people care about the Mexico border more than the Ukraine one.

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The republicans need to get behind the president to deal with the Putin crisis.

Why? When you see a train wreck in progress, why would you get in the middle of it.

This is not a time for partisan politics. Republicans descend into foreign policy factionalism.

Nothing partisan about seeing that Biden is going for round 2

"Former President Donald Trump privately has signaled a split with more isolationist voices from the MAGA wing of the party who have excused Russia’s aggression, who themselves are at odds with more establishment Republicans over how to confront Russian aggression, if at all."

Ok and?

Trump praises Putin's 'genius' as GOP fissures grow on Ukraine crisis

Basically, the majority of the establishment Republicans side with Biden and the non-establishment want no part of this, the Ukraine is lost and we all need to deal with that reality. Biden THINKING he could dissuade Putin from annexing Ukraine was delusional at best. Not surprised at all that this is happening Putin thinks Biden is weak, he’s not going to stop, Europe can’t and won’t stop him and the US won’t. Putin checkmated Biden. At this point, we need to make sure all of our people can get out safely.

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Wow Suddenly no 24\7 news about SARS-cov-2 virus. Only nuclear war.

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Biden was not the President in 2014.

so what was he?

Oh......

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Again, it's telling that the rightists here are siding with Russia

nope. just asking why would we care and "siding with Russia" are totally different things.

Just dont care, like most Americans (I notice you just said they support this but didnt provide any evidence)

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you know very well that VPs don't make the decisions.

So Biden didnt personally go "toe to toe" with Putin, as he claimed?

"If you're wondering why—it's because I'm the only person in this field who's ever gone toe-to-toe with him," the then Democratic presidential candidate said.

That tweet appeared to refer to a meeting between Biden and Putin that took place in 2011.

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nope. just asking why would we care and "siding with Russia" are totally different things.

It's not different. If folks who shared your opinion were in power, Ukraine would have already disappeared. Russia is actively invading and occupying parts of Ukraine, and you don't think the US should care.

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 If folks who shared your opinion were in power, Ukraine would have already disappeared.

they didnt disappear in 2016-2020, did they?

a TV guy was breathlessly saying "oh what would have happened if Trump were in charge".

Nothing, Proven by the fact that Trump was in charge for 4 years and nothing happened.

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they didnt disappear in 2016-2020, did they?

because Ukraine is being invaded now. Not then.

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Biden was not the President in 2014. But there should have been stronger sanctions from Obama.

Obama was and he got rolled over by Putin as well.

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Maybe you dont know, but there are celebrations in breakaway republics Donetsk (DPR) and Lugansk (LPR) People’s Republics. For celebrating independence.

And there people rallying in favor of Ukraine in Mariupol. What is your point?

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because Ukraine is being invaded now. Not then.

exactly, although I dont think they are really being "invaded" yet.

so please tell us why NOW and not then when you said:

If folks who shared your opinion were in power, Ukraine would have already disappeared

Folks who "share my opinion" were in power yet Ukraine is still here, in 2022.

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At this point, we need to make sure all of our people can get out safely.

Buy a plane ticket?

But you’re already salivating at this and hoping it gets worse. Compared it to the Game of Thrones Red Wedding even. Bit poor taste no?

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@Monty

Someone has to withdraw Putin from his position.

This man is insane and he will draw the world in a big war.

Someone must stop him before it is too late.

He may be many things, but Putin is most definitely NOT insane. To discuss this topic with any seriousness, you have to be well-versed in the history of the post-1989 years, at the very least. Are you? I somehow doubt it. The US, and its NATO underlings, has to own up to its missteps over the past 30 years. Russia has reached the limits of what it can possibly stomach (I'm not Russian, or an American right-winger, by the way), in terms of NATO expansion to the east. No Russian president, Putin or otherwise, could accept Ukraine joining NATO.

In the immediate aftermath of the cold war, sensible discussions/proposals about the status of countries between East Germany and Russia were held, and the prospect of understandings/satisfactory security arrangements (as far as Russia was concerned) were almost reached. This was absolutely essential for the Russians. They needed to feel safe from eastward expansion (Napoleon, Hitler, yes?) But after a bit of reflection, American arrogance kicked in and they decided to go ahead with the expansion anyway. Republicans & Democrats were equally guilty. So here we are today. Many things are not black and white, but grey/gray.

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exactly, although I dont think they are really being "invaded" yet.

There are already Russian military assets in the breakaway regions. That's an invasion. Besides what difference does it make? You've already stated you don't care what happens to Ukraine.

Folks who "share my opinion" were in power yet Ukraine is still here, in 2022.

Uhh, folks like you aren't in power. It's the fact that the EU, US, Japan, Israel, Canada, and Turkey are openly backing Ukraine that they haven't been conquered yet. If those nations agreed with you, Ukraine wouldn't exist.

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If the Russians do completely invade, it's going to be a slaughter and many souls will be sacrificed. It's difficult to understand how one man's ego, even that of a war criminal's, can ignore such cruelty.

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On an optimistic note, NATO can't accept countries that don't maintain 100% territorial integrity as members. So if Russia decides to park their tanks indefinitely in the newly proclaimed "independent" areas in eastern Ukraine, there's a very slight possibility that Putin would be prepared to leave things at that, for the foreseeable future.

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Better hope for that they still have some little self-constraints, because if that war machinery ever starts moving they won’t be stopped by anything significantly until they have reached the coast in Portugal, then for example it’s all their own pipelines and their own bank systems or whatever sanctions include, it’s becoming inner-Russian and will just be out of reach for any sanctions.

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Uhh, folks like you aren't in power.

you said if and were.

not are. Yes they are not, But they were. 2016-2020, and what happened? Nothing.

So why NOW? your comment-

*If folks who shared your opinion were*

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*He may be many things, but Putin is most definitely NOT insane*

How do you call someone who is one step away to bring the world in a possible 3rd world war?

How do you call a man who is ready to kill thousands and thousands of innocent people incl. children?

Wise, Clever, Intelligent?

Should we say thank you to Putin for that?

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From a global US interest point of view, conservatives seem to have gone full blown traitor.

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you seem to wrongfully believe that vice presidents get to make decisions

for the most part I agree that they dont, I mean its only the 2nd most powerful role in a country of 330+ million people. so i think you underestimate what a VP can do/be involved in.

Its just very disingenuous when you say "Biden wasnt President then" acting like he was working at McDonalds or something.

But then again maybe I am wrong about Biden's role at that time because it was also said by his boss-

'Don't underestimate Joe's ability to (expletive) things up'

So yeah, he is showing that special ability with Ukraine right now.

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I keep asking myself, if it was the other way around, if it was a Ukrainian enclave of Russia that rose up in arms, then declared itself independent would the western nations be as vocal, would they refuse to acknowledge the new country?

And I keep returning to Kosovo a region that basically all said was part of Serbia until the west decided it wasn't.

Now look at all the other places in Eurasia and see which new countries the west recognises and which they don't.

If the "minority" wishing indepence isn't Russian, then it is close to a slam dunk they are recognised by the west, if the " minority" wishing indepence is ethnic Russian well then we here " the integrity of XYZ country can not be challenged, this (insert region name) in an integral part of XYZ country".

I am like most here an outside observer, I have zero connection to either side (well unless you count my uncle's second wife being "ethnic" Ukrainian 3 generations born in North America.)

Do the research, it seems very odd that the west is fine dismantling countries that it sees an advantage in it.

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you said if and were.

I made a hypothetical statement using an unreal or third conditional. The fact is most, of the world doesn't agree with you, and that is why Russia hasn't invaded all of Ukraine yet.

Don't take my word for it, Putin came right out and said in his speech that Ukraine belongs to Russia.

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I am like most here an outside observer, I have zero connection to either side 

Yes like most of us.

But we will all get drawn into a connection if Putin attacks Ukraine incl. Kiev.

We will all feel the impact of that in a very bad way.

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How do you call someone who is one step away to bring the world in a possible 3rd world war?

Even in the worst case scenario, and I truly hope it doesn't come to that, it's not going to be a "world war".

How do you call a man who is ready to kill thousands and thousands of innocent people incl. children?

Wise, Clever, Intelligent?

I don't know. How about George W. Bush? Or Dick Cheney? The list goes on. Think Iraq, 2003. Thousands and thousands of innocent people incl. children killed then, and it wasn't even in defence of US territorial security. A total lie about WOMD in the grubby pursuit of oil & (far away) regional dominance.

Should we say thank you to Putin for that?

No. We should recognise that he doesn't really want to do it, go to the bargaining table in good faith, and address Russian security concerns.

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All of which makes the “It's been over 70 years ... as I mentioned yesterday, there has been peace and security.” statement by the US VP even more ridiculous and uninformed.

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Supply arms to Ukraine! Stay out of international affairs! Look Biden is doing nothing!

All over the place and frankly embarrassing.

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Invasion sure is late... checks calendar running a week late here

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The vast majority, at least up to the Dnieper, including Kiev will support the Russians. Even in the west they are absolutely fed up with NATO's puppet neo-Nazi militia's running wild, above the law.

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no, he called him Peter the Great and was amazed by him 20 years ago.

Want the video?

like Trump saying Putin invading Ukraine is genius

heres the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNxvSxaGeDE

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Even in the west they are absolutely fed up with NATO's puppet neo-Nazi militia's running wild, above the law.

That Neo-Nazi claim would have been more impactful before Putin's little blood and soil speech.

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zichiToday  11:58 am JST

I didn't say why, I said the west was very open even pushing for Serbia to be dismantled.

You omitted the fact the it was started be calls by the ethnic Albanians for independence.

You and others seem to have a very selective memory.

I remember the images of the western backed Ukrainian Nationalists, marching chanting anti Jewish, anti Russian, anti Pole, etc...in the streets of Kiev.

The same nationalist whose leaders had previously declared Stepan Bandera and his OUN national heros ( only retraction it after Jewish groups protested as well a Poland, etc...).

With these people in power we can easily see what was in store for the ethic Russians under that regime. And for that one just has to look at how nicely the Ukrainian Nationalists cooperated with the Nazi in WW2.

Honestly if I was ethnic Russian, at the time of the overthrow of the elected president by USA backed Ukrainian Nationalists. I would have probably packed up my life and gone some place safer. ( I'm not much of a soldier type).

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Isn't the very presence of Russian forces in Ukraine an attack?

Isn't the very presence of NATO forces in Ukraine an attack?

Same logic

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Ronald Reagan, 1983: “The Soviets preach the supremacy of the state, declare its omnipotence over individual man, and predict its eventual domination of all peoples on the earth; they are the focus of evil in the modern world.”

Donald Trump, 2022: "You gotta say, that's pretty savvy," Trump said of Putin's decision to declare certain breakaway regions in Ukraine as independent. "This is genius," Trump said. "Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine....Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that's wonderful."

Welcome to the new GOP...it isn't your father's conservative party....in fact, it isn't conservative at all...

It's a Russian-worshipping third column whose goal is to destroy American democracy...

Reagan would be appalled...

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Supply arms to Ukraine! Stay out of international affairs! Look Biden is doing nothing!

All over the place and frankly embarrassing.

there already US troops in Ukraine, 400 tonnes on ammunition and anti tanks weapons so far.

Bidens sanctions dwarf anything Trump did, Trump dropped two missile treaties with Russia, now theyre busy making hypersonic weapons

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It started ...

Putin just announced military operation in Ukrane 10 minutes ago...

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It would be worst war in decades, if NATO is actually willing to go to war in order to support Ukraine's interest and retake the pro-Russia territories by force.

Sooner or later though, people would ask "Is it worth dying for?" and so far only Russia seems to have good enough reasons for doing that.

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Sooner or later though, people would ask "Is it worth dying for?" and so far only Russia seems to have good enough reasons for doing that.

I would say Ukrainians have pretty good reasons for doing so.

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Even in the worst case scenario, and I truly hope it doesn't come to that, it's not going to be a "world war"

Yes, I also truly hope for that!

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pariah: an outcast

Putin, and Russia as well, are both about to become really big pariahs. Enjoy life in your self-constructed bubble.

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MontyToday  12:00 pm JST

I am like most here an outside observer, I have zero connection to either side 

Yes like most of us.

But we will all get drawn into a connection if Putin attacks Ukraine incl. Kiev.

We will all feel the impact of that in a very bad way.

Why should we feel the impact?

Putin and Russia want nothing to do with controling a region packed with hostile ethnic Ukrainians.

At worse he will annex the ethnic Russian parts and leave a rump Ukraine with a majority ethnic Ukrainians who will probably cleanses the area of "unwanted" groups.

And as long as we keep our noses out of it that is where it will end.

The problem between these 2 has been going on for centuries, and everytime the western European put their nose into it we end up expanding the problem to involve a far greater conflict.

Does Europe and the west ever learn?

Let them settled their own bloody problems, we are not going to fix a darn thing it has been going on since before the golden age of Kiev and isn't about to stop for the time being.

This is very sad but some things we cannot fix and another major European war or world war isn't going to fix this never ending circle between Ukraine and Russia.

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That Neo-Nazi claim would have been more impactful before Putin's little blood and soil speech.

So the "Right Sektor" and "Azov Battalion" militia's aren't neo-Nazis? That'll be news to them. They are, or until now have been, very proud of the fact.

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pariah: an outcast

Putin, and Russia as well, are both about to become really big pariahs. Enjoy life in your self-constructed bubble.

That's right. Any regime unfriendly to NATO (even though the majority of the population of several of those NATO countries are unabashedly pro-Russian and anti-American) is "a pariah"?

Most of the world hates NATO. Even a large part of NATO hates NATO. This will make Putin more popular than ever in most of the world.

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So the "Right Sektor" and "Azov Battalion" militia's aren't neo-Nazis?

No, I am saying Putin is every bit the neo-Nazi as the Azov battalion is. His speech made it very clear. He has no respect for the people of Ukraine, and he thinks the country is his for the taking.

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The Associated Press @AP

BREAKING: Just 26% of Americans say the U.S. should play a major role in the Russia-Ukraine conflict in a new AP-NORC poll. President Biden has argued that fundamental American values are at stake in Eastern Europe.

"AP-NORC poll: Most in US oppose major role in Russia strife"

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