Ukrainian, Western leaders laud U.S. aid package while Kremlin warns of further ruin

It will be further ruin for fascist Russia, too, though. And Azov Heroes should be freed.

The aid package will go to the U.S. Senate, which could pass it as soon as Tuesday. U.S. President Joe Biden has promised to sign it immediately.

It still could take weeks for it to reach the front line, where it is desperately needed.

Actually, not so long because the parties involved have known what needs to be done, as soon as Biden signs it, it is ready to go.

the Kremlin warned that passage of the bill would “further ruin” Ukraine and cause more deaths.

Continuing the invasion would also “further ruin” Ukraine and cause more deaths

If the Kremlin wants to continue the invasion, then don't complain when the defenders of their own country wants to fight back

If the Kremlin wants to continue the invasion, then don't complain when the defenders of their own country wants to fight back

Apparently, according to our resident Vatniks here, defending a country is prolonging the war whilst invading one isn't.

Also, Ukrainian weapons won't affect the outcome of the invasion whilst Russian ones definitely will.

They aren't serious people.

“But they will likely be able to blunt the current Russian offensive assuming the resumed U.S. assistance arrives promptly,"

Nice to think the current Russian offensive could be blunted, but it would be even nicer to see Putin's invaders go back across the border into Russia.

If in fact more than 50,000 Russian invaders have been killed fighting for Putin in Ukraine, and many more Russian forces (government and private) seriously wounded, on top of all the Ukrainian military and civilian deaths and injuries, life in eastern Europe might be able to return to something close to normal after Putin brings his troops home where they belong, where they could be able to help their own country instead of doing further damage outside Russia. The returning troops could help the Russian economy ,maybe even help enough that Putin could finance the rebuilding of Ukraine. Putin send the kidnapped children back to their blood families.

So the quid pro quo of the US sending Ukraine $61 billion in "military aid" is Ukraine passing an extremely unpopular mobilization law expanding the military draft.

Ukrainian youth is just meat, sent to be slaughtered in exchange for US death merchants' profits.

Let Putin's Ru$$ia warn as much as they want!

With decisive military hardware coming to Ukraine soon, Ukraine will be able to achieve what is necessary.

There are not many options for Ukraine to return to a normal life:

Peace negotiations with Putin enabling him to continue his genocide

or

Total defeat of the Ru$$ian aggressors, returning all illegally occupied areas (incl. but not limited to Crimea) and more in accordance with President Zelenskyy's peace plan.

As for me, I vote for option #2!

Ukraine prevails!

So the quid pro quo of the US sending Ukraine $61 billion in "military aid" is Ukraine passing an extremely unpopular mobilization law expanding the military draft.

Republicans were holding out for the mobilization law to be passed?

@alfie: Ukrainian youth is just meat, sent to be slaughtered

Have your sources reported how many Russians have been slaughtered in the invasion? If the Kremlin have not reported the number of Russians killed, why would that be?

Alfie Noakes

Ukrainian youth is just meat, sent to be slaughtered in exchange for US death merchants' profits.

Stange that you blame the US. I would have thought the blame rests with Putin.

Ukrainian youth is just meat, sent to be slaughtered in exchange for US death merchants' profits.

It's time for Ukraine to negotiate a settlement.

zibala

Ukrainian youth is just meat, sent to be slaughtered in exchange for US death merchants' profits.

It's time for Ukraine to negotiate a settlement.

You make the incorrect assumption that Putin wants to negotiate. He doesn't.

Just more proof of the proxy war.

if the USA had not paid, and demanded a peace settlement, the war was over.

But now, there is enough money to support 10s of thousands more Ukrainians to needlessly

This important Ukraine package will not only help defeat Putin, it will further the implosion of the Republican Party....Just look at the inter-party warfare...

MTG accuses her Repub Speaker of "disloyalty and betrayal"....

Former Repub Freedom Caucus member Ken Buck labels MTG "Moscow Marjorie"...

Two prominent Repubs admit their party has been "infected with Russian propaganda"...

Uber-conservative Newt Gingrich says the Freedom Caucus is composed of "Stupid Idiots"...

Lindsey Graham says fellow Repub Senator JD Vance's position on Ukraine is "garbage"...

This issue is tearing the party apart - and it's about time...

Send Putin and his Puppets in the Repub Party packing...

Appeasing tyrants’ demands seems to be the in thing with some people.

Sigh, the EU should foot much of the cost for defending Ukraine. Google prof Mearsheimer, IMHO he has the best understanding of the situation. USA (if it cared about the free democratic world, like it says it does) should cutoff Russian's allies (completely), like China, India, Iran, NK etc. but Blinken is far too interested in 'diplomacy' despite the fact that each and every time his diplomacy has actually caused aggression.

Blacklabel

Just more proof of the proxy war.

It's not a proxy war.

if the USA had not paid, and demanded a peace settlement, the war was over.

No, it's not. Putin doesn't want peace. He wants to expand into Ukraine and beyond.

If anything, the delay in aid has made Putin bolder. That's the cost of this delay in funding.

Putin is not interested in a settlement. He wants to destroy Ukraine.

If they can’t fight unless we pay, that’s a proxy war.

Ukrainian youth is just meat, sent to be slaughtered in exchange for US death merchants' profits.

You really wouldn’t be wrong in that analysis.

Putin is not interested in a settlement. He wants to destroy Ukraine.

Yup and succeeding.

Alfie NoakesToday 08:15 am JST

So the quid pro quo of the US sending Ukraine $61 billion in "military aid" is Ukraine passing an extremely unpopular mobilization law expanding the military draft.

Ukrainian youth is just meat, sent to be slaughtered in exchange for US death merchants' profits.

Now you have to imagine that Ukraine doesn't want to be free of fascist invaders? MIC is still only 3% of US gdp.

bass4funk

Putin is not interested in a settlement. He wants to destroy Ukraine.

Yup and succeeding.

Hence the case for US funding.

BlacklabelToday 08:54 am JST

If they can’t fight unless we pay, that’s a proxy war.

Providing the guns is not the same as providing the bodies. Simple as. Also a pretty effective "proxy" sending 100k fascists to their beds.

Blacklabel

If they can’t fight unless we pay, that’s a proxy war.

If the US instigated the way, it would be a proxy war. They didn’t, so it isn’t.

They can’t fight. Until we decide to pay them to fight some more.

Add one more example to the Repub civil war...

"Representative Tony Gonzales, a Texas Republican, shared a stunning condemnation of some his GOP colleagues on Sunday.  During a panel discussion on CNN's State of the Union, Gonzales, a Republican who voted for the foreign aid package, was asked by host Dana Bash about the opposition to Johnson's leadership and whether he'll be able to "survive."

"I serve with some real scumbags," Gonzales said. He then took specific aim at Representative Matt Gaetz, a Florida Republican, and Representative Bob Good, a Virginia Republican.

"Matt Gaetz, he paid minors to have sex with him at drug parties," the Texas Republican said. "Bob Good endorsed my opponent, a known neo-Nazi. These people used to walk around in white hoods at night. Now they're walking around with white hoods in the daytime."

How's that for party unity - calling each other scumbags, perverts, and Neo-Nazis...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republican-s-stunning-condemnation-of-gop-colleagues-scumbags/ar-AA1noBIe?ocid=windirect&cvid=d957ebef4f084b4691df858a87d26bba&ei=49

One wonders when they'll pick up where Jan 6th left off and start storming each others offices...

You know the most ironic thing about this Ukraine aid package? It shows just what Losers the MAGA-faction of the Repub party is...

Remember when Trump told them to torpedo that combined Ukraine aid and border security bill, negotiated and approved by Sen Jim Lankford, one of the most conservative Repubs in the Senate...how did that turn out for them?

1) Ukraine aid passed anyway...

2) They proved to the American public what utter hypocrites they were, by refusing to support a real fix to the border...

Losing and humiliation X2...with more coming in Nov...

Just more proof of the proxy war.

Not a proxy war. Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it true.

Pay them in delivery of hard equipment you mean. 

Fact check: FALSE

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-us-aid-ukraine-money-equipment-714688682747

The U.S. Agency for International Development has in releases and a report to Congress outlined how budgetary support to the Ukrainian government has been used. Some of the funding has been spent, for example, on social assistance payments and salaries for health care workers, first responders and educators. It also helps cover pensions and support Ukrainians displaced by the war.

40 billion dollars here.

Hence the case for US funding.

And Ukraine will still fall in the end.

zibalaToday 08:29 am JST

It's time for Ukraine to negotiate a settlement.

Yes, Russia leaves their country, pays its reparations, and all its leaders submit to their war crimes trials at the Hague.

How about that settlement?

bass4funk

Hence the case for US funding.

And Ukraine will still fall in the end.

Maybe, maybe not. In any case, money to defend themselves means that their eventual outcome will be better.

Maybe, maybe not. In any case, money to defend themselves means that their eventual outcome will be better.

It also tells Russia that it won't just get away with invading it's neighbors, and they will pay a heavy, heavy price for doing so.

Cards fan

Maybe, maybe not. In any case, money to defend themselves means that their eventual outcome will be better.

It also tells Russia that it won't just get away with invading it's neighbors, and they will pay a heavy, heavy price for doing so.

And China about Taiwan.

It says a lot about the GOP that they are so willing to damage US's reputation and standing in the world.

Our MAGA-friends here aren't fooling anyone but themselves...

The only reason they refuse to support Ukraine is because they love Trump and Trump loves Putin - it's as simple as that....

All the talk about "proxy wars" and "my money" is just MAGA hot air...

Just like with abortion, Trump could do a 180 flip on his position tomorrow and they'd all demanding we give B2s to Zelensky...

Have the honesty and courage to admit the truth...you ain't foolin' anybody...

They can’t fight. Until we decide to pay them to fight some more.

Ok. Thanks for paying then. You’ll likely pay more again too, thanks in advance.

You make the incorrect assumption that Putin wants to negotiate. He doesn't.

You make the incorrect assumption Ukraine can win. They can't.

Hence the case for US funding.

And Ukraine will still fall in the end.

Maybe, maybe not.

Did Russia withdraw?

In any case, money to defend themselves means that their eventual outcome will be better.

And when it fails (and strong indications show that it is) then what, ask for more money?

zibala

You make the incorrect assumption that Putin wants to negotiate. He doesn't.

You make the incorrect assumption Ukraine can win. They can't.

Winning isn't binary. With funding, Ukraine can do better.

bass4funk

In any case, money to defend themselves means that their eventual outcome will be better.

And when it fails (and strong indications show that it is) then what, ask for more money?

What do you mean?

The delay in funding just means Russia can take advantage of being able to do things like use way more artillery, etc. and gain some ground.

With funding Ukraine can stand up to Russia.

Hopefully it’s not too late and that’s it until the end of the election, so it has to last till then.

Sh1mon M4sada

Sigh, the EU should foot much of the cost for defending Ukraine. Google prof Mearsheimer, IMHO he has the best understanding of the situation. 

He doesn't. He mistakenly thinks NATO expansion is a factor. It isn't.

For someone who actually understands Ukraine, Google Timothy Snyder.

In any case, money to defend themselves means that their eventual outcome will be better.

And when it fails (and strong indications show that it is) then what, ask for more money?

What do you mean? 

I was very clear.

The delay in funding just means Russia can take advantage of being able to do things like use way more artillery, etc. and gain some ground.

Russia has China and Belarus to

With funding Ukraine can stand up to Russia.

Wasted money

Oh so I spread misinformation about last time but this time is (D)ifferent?

so…who is paying the Ukraine pension and their oligarchs from now?

Give Ukraine the weapons it needs to defeat the Russians who if not stopped will be rolling into the EU.

bass4funk

And when it fails (and strong indications show that it is) then what, ask for more money?

What do you mean? 

I was very clear.

No, you weren't. Falls suggests complete capitulation, which is unlikely to happen.

With funding Ukraine can stand up to Russia.

Wasted money

Sure, if you don't care about Ukraine and Ukrainians.

What do you mean? 

I was very clear.

No, you weren't.

I was

Falls suggests complete capitulation, which is unlikely to happen.

Ok, but it’s not going to save that nation.

With funding Ukraine can stand up to Russia.

Wasted money

Sure, if you don't care about Ukraine and Ukrainians.

I don’t, especially over Americans.

Zelensky still has one Ace up his sleeve when this money runs out...

He can say publicly; "Donald Trump is a financial, military, and diplomatic genius. He has one of the most brilliant minds in the world. His wife is beautiful and he has the physical strength of Atlas"....

Trump would sell Bedminster and come up with a new line of gold sneakers to help fund Ukraine...

Zelensky still has one Ace up his sleeve when this money runs out...

Beg for more U.S. taxpayer funded money?

Zelensky still has one Ace up his sleeve when this money runs out...

Beg for more U.S. taxpayer funded money?

Won't have to - Trump will give it to him...

Remarks made by Senator Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, on Sunday crediting former President Donald Trump for Ukraine aid funding has raised eyebrows on social media.

During an interview appearance on Fox News Sunday, Graham stated his approval for the House of Representatives approving more than $60 billion in aid to Ukraine to bolster its fight against Russia's invasion that began in February 2022. The bill designates approximately $10 billion of the Ukraine funding as repayable loans.

"There's a loan component to it. This would not have passed without President Trump. I want to thank the House Speaker [Mike Johnson] and [Minority Leader] Hakeem Jeffries working together in a bipartisan fashion to give weapons to Ukraine to fight a fight that matters to us," Graham said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/lindsey-graham-crediting-trump-for-ukraine-aid-passing-raises-eyebrows/ar-AA1np4bg?ocid=windirect&cvid=d957ebef4f084b4691df858a87d26bba&ei=92

So Trump partnered with Johnson and Jefferies to pass Ukraine aid...was he right or wrong?

Won't have to - Trump will give it to him...

Which comes from Taxpayer money, doubt he will

So Trump partnered with Johnson and Jefferies to pass Ukraine aid...was he right or wrong?

Election year not a of choices, but I get why both men did what they did for now.

Some more money for some more deaths.

What next when this money runs out, some more of the same and dead bodies?

There needs to be a diplomatic solution than coffins.

So Trump partnered with Johnson and Jefferies to pass Ukraine aid...was he right or wrong?

Election year not a of choices, but I get why both men did what they did for now.

I.e. votes over conscience and beliefs. Kind of a quid pro quo.

Sorry Russia fans (that includes those that use the cost as an excuse to allow the Russians to win), Americans don’t like fascist regimes and they really don’t like expansionist fascist regimes.

Now that the UA will have plenty of ammo to shoot, more Russians will be going home in bags.

But you can save them by just going home.

Won't have to - Trump will give it to him...

Which comes from Taxpayer money, doubt he will

He already did - he could have come out with a statement saying every Repub should vote no on this bill - HE DIDN'T....giving it his OK....

So Trump partnered with Johnson and Jefferies to pass Ukraine aid...was he right or wrong?

Election year not a of choices, but I get why both men did what they did for now.

Didn't ask that - I asked whether Trump wrong for supporting this aid you think is wasting money?

Sorry Russia fans

None here, but continue…

(that includes those that use the cost as an excuse to allow the Russians to win),

Translation: screw the taxpayer and what they think or feel about their money, we the government will decide what and how to use your money. Stalinist at best.

Americans don’t like fascist regimes and they really don’t like expansionist fascist regimes.

And that’s why Biden’s numbers are dropping faster than the Gap Band can sing: “You dropped the bomb on me.”

Now that the UA will have plenty of ammo to shoot, more Russians will be going home in bags. 

And And more Ukrainian as well with the help of Russian China, in the end, Moscow will still stand, and Kyiv will have fallen

But you can save them by just going home.

Never going to happen.

He already did -

Not in the future when it comes to taxpayer money

Didn't ask that -

And? So what?

I asked whether Trump wrong for supporting this aid you think is wasting money?

I already answered that.

A Russian victory in Ukraine would also be a defeat for the US and NATO.

He already did -

Not in the future when it comes to taxpayer money

How do you know? He already flipped and supported it this time...

Didn't ask that -

And? So what?

You dodged - was Trump wrong to support this aid bill you think is wasted money? Yes or no...

I asked whether Trump wrong for supporting this aid you think is wasting money?

I already answered that.

ROFL...checkmate...