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Ukrainian unrest spreads; dozens dead in Odessa

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According to the latest Guardian, the fatal fire in Odessa was in the Trade Union building and was started by pro Ukrainian nationalists. The victims were pro Russian rebels. The Gurardian noted the presence of Right Sector in Odessa. Right Sector is an ultra nationalist organization with representatives in the current Ukrainian government.

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Over 20 of the thirty found dead in the building had Russian passports and were members of Russian special forces - clear evidence and proof that Russia is orchestrating the destabilization of Ukraine. This is nothing short of an invasion by Russia, for which they will be severely punished.

Kabukilover obviously get his news from a dubious source - probably RT or one of those propaganda stations.

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@Kabukilover

Yep, Ukrainian neo-nazis firebombed the trade union building, brutally murdering fellow countrymen. That's what happens when you have an inept and illegitimate group of Western puppets trying to run the government. A government where four of its ministries are run by neo-nazis, including chief of national security (Andriy Parubiy). They even recently awarded the title, "Hero of Ukraine,” to World War II Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera, whose paramilitary forces joined with the Nazis in exterminating Poles and Jews during World War II.

The West sure knows how to pick their puppets.

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And so it begins...

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Um, I wrote that I got my information from the Guardian. So where do you get your information, KPB?

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Putin is just waiting for the election results.

If he can manipulate the new government into towing the line, he'll back off. But if he feels his grip on Ukraine threatened, he will invade, consequences be d*****.

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Robert Parry over at http://consortiumnews.com/ has written several articles on the Ukraine crisis that should be required reading.

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Ukraine should just give up her eastern territories. Nationalistic pride is nothing compared to human suffering. Let it go and rebuild a peaceful, democratic nation in the west.

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Over 20 of the thirty found dead in the building had Russian passports and were members of Russian special forces - clear evidence and proof that Russia is orchestrating the destabilization of Ukraine

Umm, I kinda doubt that Russian Special Ops guys who are tasked with secretly infiltrating a country are going to be carrying their Russian passports on them.

I call BS on your theory. Can you provide a link on where you claim to have found this information.

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Who knew that the Russian plan of flooding the Ukraine with undercover troops, arming makeshift local groups, supporting hostile takeovers of buildings, putting troops on the border, kidnapping UN officials.....would lead to violence?

I'm just so surprised.

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I think the violence started when a democratically elected president was illegally ousted by a violent mob who threw molotovs at the Ukrainian parliament.

At least the during the so-called Maiden protests the democratically elected government never called in the army against the people.

This new self-declared, coup-imposed, unelected government is sending in Mi-24 combat helicopters and conveys of military APCs into civilian areas.

Any government which sends combat helicopters against its own people is doomed. Tanks and missiles don't win hearts and minds.

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Be careful what you wish for...

Ukraine may make the calculation it'd be better to leave Russia only the option to take eastern Ukraine rather than acquiesce to living with permanently destabilized regions or a farce of a Ukrainian federation.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/01/putins-promises-to-eastern-ukraine-could-bankrupt-russia/

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Super Lib. Gives the sources to back your contentions.

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Nice link Joeintokyo

Particularly liked the comment

The problem is made worse by the fact that the New York Times, the traditional newspaper of record, has stood out as one of the most egregious offenders of the principles of journalism. Repeatedly, the Times has run anti-Russian stories that lack evidence or are just flat wrong.

What's funny (not really) is that anyone who supports the new Kiev leadership is also supporting right-wing neo-fascists. The Svoboda political party is a wing on the Right Sektor. Take a look at their symbol.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Iдея_Nації.svg

My speculation only, but the Right Sektor, or a wing of theirs, could be a tool of Putin's.

Nobody is innocent here except the Ukrainians who just want to go to work and have a good life.

I'm truly worried for the women and children of Ukraine.

NATO, US, EU, Putin, corporate pigs, greedy bankers, Money Changers....Get Out!!

It's gonna be all propoganda from here on out. If you do not understand how deep this goes, check it out. But please don't rely on CNN, BBC, FOX, RT, MSNBC, Bloomberg, etc., for your information about whats really going on.

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/02/ukraine-dead-odessa-building-fire

According to the latest Guardian, the fatal fire in Odessa was in the Trade Union building and was started by pro Ukrainian nationalists.

I don't think it says who actually started the fire. It does say that the pro-Russia fighters were seen "shooting from the roof." Also mentioned that both sides had petrol bombs. And that even while the building was on fire the pro-Russia fighters were throwing "masonry and petrol bombs from the roof on to the crowd below."

It does say that "Pro-Ukraine protesters made desperate efforts to reach people with ropes and improvised scaffolding."

Both sides were spoiling for a fight. But I find it hard to blame the pro-Ukraine side for not wanting to allow pro-Russian fighters free rein in their own country.

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kidnapping UN officials

What UN officials?

Perhaps you're referring to the observers from the OSCE, which is different from the UN.

The observers were detained on the grounds that the original agreement called for non-military personnel only. Yet the team comprised of military officers from NATO countries, including, remarkably 5 Ukrainian officers. No wonder the local representatives were peeved.

The observers have since been released, unharmed and by their own admission, very well treated.

Much better off than the 30 plus Russian activists who were burned alive in a warehouse in Odessa while Right Sector skinheads cheered and chanted Nazi slogans (look up the 14th Division of the Waffen SS, the New Svoboda party which is in now in charge in Kiev worships them... literally).

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@Burning Bush

Can you provide a link on where you claim to have found this information.

He can not. At least for now. Ukrainian media quickly reported victims as Russian and Transdniestria citizens, but no identification of bodies was made, so Odessa police dismissed those claims. For now they identified only those 8 victims that didn't die in the building, but jumped from the windows: all of them are odessian locals.

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Both sides were spoiling for a fight. But I find it hard to blame the pro-Ukraine side for not wanting to allow pro-Russian fighters free rein in their own country.

The East and South of Ukraine is mostly Russian. Kiev (Kyiv-Ukrainian) long ago was in fact the capital of Russia and Kiev is the Russian spelling.

The modern peoples of Belarus, Ukraine, and Russia all claim Kievan Rus' as their cultural inheritance.

The people of Ukraine must unite against these terrorists like the women in Egypt did. Notice how the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt is now finally taking responsibility (on death row) for their actions.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/05/140502-egypt-muslim-brotherhood-morsi-mubarak-mallawi-world/ (Explains situation in Egypt now)

If the terrorists in control of Ukraine right now cannot be stopped all the historic wood churches in Ukraine will be burned to the ground. Egypt saved itself where Libya could not -and Egypt was far poorer. So it will come down to the people once again if they can save their country/identify. You will see mass protests in the millions in Kiev to force the criminals out to stop this. The borders must be secured by any means however.

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One could probably say this description also covers a lot of the Soviet supporters here:

"Nobody I’ve met at pro-Russia rallies has described any real threats or instances of repression. Asked what’s motivating them, they invariably turn to stock phrases that have been widely propagated on Russian state television: “Kiev junta,” “fascists,” “illegitimate government,” “referendum,” “federalization.” Follow-up questions rarely yield any enlightening answers. “Federalization means that Kiev listens to us,” Boris Dekhteryenko, a car mechanic from Makeyevka, explained to me.

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SuperLib=Superdumbass

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I don't think it says who actually started the fire. It does say that the pro-Russia fighters were seen "shooting from the roof."

the criminals who murder 40 victims by burning them like Nazi criminals

should say something in his own defense

So the people who did not want to live in united Ukraine will be thrown in fire !

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Super Lib. Source? Not that it matters. This is mere hearsay from an obviously biased person. I have heard similar rubbish about political protest for years.

Let me say it again. These are popular grass roots protests. They have substantial roots. Russia at one point suggested mediation via the UN but Kiev rejected it. If you want the source I will dig it up.

With these recent horrific events anything can happen. All, all is changed utterly as Yeats wrote about the Easter 1916 Irish revolt. Only I see no terrible beauty being born from all this. Just terrible suffering.

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The East and South of Ukraine is mostly Russian.

AFAIK, Ukrainians are the ethnic majority of the Odessa oblast (southwestern Ukraine). As also is the case in the Luhansk, Donetsk, and Kharkiv oblasts. Of course many more Ukrainians speak Russian but, neither condition, ethnic Russian and/or Russophone, automatically means you're pro-Russian separatist. Crimea was the one and only province where Russians were the ethnic majority.

National elections are scheduled for May 25th. My guess is that Russia and pro-Russian "separatists" will do everything they can to undermine them.

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The Ukraine needs an elected government - yucky!

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Immediately after the Right Sektor stormed the Parliament in Kiev and took up their new seats and declared themselves the new leaders of the Ukraine, guess what the absolute first law they enacted was

Even before the dust settled and the smoke cleared they haphazardly passed a bill criminalizing the use of the Russian language.

What message does that send to the Russian speakers in the East?

I think the Russian speakers in the East have good reason to be scared of these Right Sektor guys.

Imagine if some goons stormed Parliament in Ottawa and then after forcing out the government with bats and clubs they declared a new one and then immediately enacted a law banning the use of French. How would people in Quebec react?

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KabukiLover: According to the latest Guardian, the fatal fire in Odessa was in the Trade Union building and was started by pro Ukrainian nationalists. The victims were pro Russian rebels.

Was that the article that said the fighting started when pro-Russians attacked pro-Ukrainians? And the same article that said the pro-Russians were shooting people from the roof? And some pro-Ukrainians tried to help get people out of the building?

Just wondering.

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I'm European and I hate Europe. Those European goverments over here think they have the right to say and do anything. Whenever they are not hiding behind the biggest terrorist on the planet, they always like to play Mr. Adolf the second when it comes to situations like this. The European mainstream media keeps repeating the same propoganda over and over again. And most European citizens cannot think for themselfs, always blindly accept the mainstreammedia, and love to demonize Putin whenever they get a change. Personaly I can't wait to get out of this godforsaken land of fools.

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Let us not forget who started the fire.

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We all know who is stoking the fire... Russia

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We all know who is stoking the propaganda...gcbel

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gcbel AFAIK, Ukrainians are the ethnic majority of the Odessa oblast (southwestern Ukraine). As also is the case in the Luhansk, Donetsk, and Kharkiv oblasts.

So you are from Ukraine ??

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This should help anyone who might be on the fence as to who's really pulling the strings.

"The International Monetary Fund warned that if Ukraine lost territory in the east it would have to redesign a $17 billion bailout of the country, probably requiring additional financing." (Ukraine attacks rebel city, helicopter shot down, Reuters)

Go to war or you ain't gonna a get your money.

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"The International Monetary Fund warned that if Ukraine lost territory in the east it would have to redesign a $17 billion bailout of the country, probably requiring additional financing." (Ukraine attacks rebel city, helicopter shot down, Reuters)

Tell me, dear reader, when was the last time you heard of the IMF threatening to withhold funds if a political leader didn't wage war on his own people?

http://www.theecologist.org/blogs_and_comments/commentators/2383878/obamas_new_ukraine_a_russophobic_failed_state_ruled_by_fascists.html

Or, if one were to read one would understand the same sentence as a statement of the obvious.

"The unfolding developments in the east and tense relations with Russia could severely disrupt bilateral trade and depress investment confidence for a considerable period of time, thus worsening the economic outlook," it said.

"Should the central government lose effective control over the east, the program will need to be re-designed."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101631226

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Dear reader, one only needs to look at Greece, Spain, Italy, gee I could go on....to see the success of the IMF. Where have you been living?

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