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Ukrainians expect tough fight for Kherson; Russia stages nuclear war games

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By Jonathan Landay

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the defenders of Kherson, whom the media told us are unmotivated and flee during battle are actually highly determined and willing to fight to the death.

I think you mean the occupiers of Kherson. The defenders may have a tough battle driving them out, but drive them out they will.

What stops the poor conscripts from raising the white flag and surrendering to Zelensky's army?

The blockers still have them in their sights.

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Are UA forces winning?

Standard question related to topic of article.

Question.

Why this is labeled as "off topic" twice this morning?

I am am just asking regular question -very very related to topic of article!

Stop to play an idiot here!

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Bronco

Ukrainian troops at the front line said on Wednesday they were expecting a bitter fight for the southern Kherson region,

In order words, the defenders of Kherson, whom the media told us are unmotivated and flee during battle are actually highly determined and willing to fight to the death.

I doubt it. But they have orders to dig in. My guess is that Ukraine will surround them and starve them out.

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Here’s some interesting reading about retreating Russians.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/ukraine-crisis-russia-base/

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The only plans on the table were plans for the liberation of Russian speaking regions.

By invading said areas of Ukraine. Spin doesn’t change that.

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It’s rather odd that a thread on Russia and Ukraine has once again degenerated into talking about Iraq 30 years ago.

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So some claim there are more Chechen troops than Russian ones.

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@Monty

2014 the Russian as..holes invaded and annexed illegal Crimea

Look who is talking!! Just the very same people who invaded several countries and killed hundreds of thousand of people in the process! These murdering as......les lecture others! Unbeliavable.

In other words, invading its neigbour's territory, killing innocent men, women and children...raping young girls...committing endless crimes to a peaceful nation, was started by the mass murdering Russian Mob already in 2014

No, killing innocent men, women and children, raping young girls, committing endless crimes was started by the mass murdering Ukrainian Mob unlished on Donbass in 2014. To their greatesr regret they were unable to do the same in Crimea, to the greatest relief of the people of Crimea.

Additional, the Russians broke the Minsk agreement already after 2 days

How?

The Russian insane Mob started all this, and there is no end in sight

The ultranationalist Ukrainian mob started all this, with their gleeful chants "Be Ukrainian or be dead". They will end just like their predecessors, the WWII nazi's Ukrainian collaborators.

All these war supporters are making me sick!!!

My emotions since NATO invasions of Serbia, Iraq, Libya, the Ukrooffensive at Donbass in 2014.

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Ukrainian POWs tell about blocking units of nationalist volunteer battalions that just like SS enforcers in WWII shoot at anyone who is retreating or going to surrender, no stories like that from the other side.

There are plenty of reports, it’s just whether you choose to believe them or write them off as “MSM propaganda” and we all already know which way you’ll lean. I certainly won’t be switching my sources to only Russian supportive media. Especially not after one host called for the drowning of Ukrainian children.

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@Desert Tortoise

They are executed on the spot if they try. Chechen troops have been doing this since the beginning of this war.

Anything to support this claim? Ukrainian POWs tell about blocking units of nationalist volunteer battalions that just like SS enforcers in WWII shoot at anyone who is retreating or going to surrender, no stories like that from the other side.

Once the line charge detonated the tanks could drive through unimpeded, bulldozing trenches on the way. It is almost like the Russians learned nothing from Desert Storm

THe Kroforces are storming Kherson since September, almost daily attacks of two - three battalions'- size battlegroups. So far more than 10-15 thousands killed and wounded, a couple of hundreds of destroyed tanks and other AFVs, and almost zero results. It seems the Russians learned a lot from the Desert Storm and the Ukrainians and their U.S. advisers just remained on the level of 1991.

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The difficult thing about Russia having a nuclear forces exercise at this point in the Russo-Ukraine war is how does NATO determine where the exercise ends and preparations for a no-kidding nuclear attack begin? What we do not know is if NATO members either individually or as a group quietly through diplomatic channels told the Russians, ok have your exercise but if you do certain specified things NATO will assume you are about to stage a nuclear attack and respond accordingly. The US delayed some scheduled Minuteman III stockpile reliability tests earlier this year so there could be no mistake by China that the US was about to attack then during the Chinese response to visit by Nancy Pelosi to Taiwan. Russia could very well hide preparations for a real attack among the drills it is conducting.

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Reinforcing - like those concrete blocks they set up in some other area?

Won't help them - this is not 1917 or 1942! Trench wars are over!

The Iraqis had huge trench fortifications at the outset of Desert Storm. Coalition armored forces simply bulldozed them over with dozer blades attached to the front of the leading tanks. They buried any Iraqi troops in those trenches. Special tanks with line charges destroyed any mines or obstacles laid out to block armor. Once the line charge detonated the tanks could drive through unimpeded, bulldozing trenches on the way. It is almost like the Russians learned nothing from Desert Storm.

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What stops the poor conscripts from raising the white flag and surrendering to Zelensky's army?

Plenty are doing so, maybe some only after most of their units are decimated. There is no shortage of video out there if one cares to look for it.

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Let's assume for a second that your claim is true.

What stops the poor conscripts from raising the white flag and surrendering to Zelensky's army?

They are executed on the spot if they try. Chechen troops have been doing this since the beginning of this war. They are used as enforcers.

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 I am tired to read one side narratives every day here

It is not about one side narratives....it is about that most of the people here (but unfortunately not all) want to see that this mass murdering of innocent men, women and children, raping young girls, and all the additional crimes which these insane Russian as..les are doing every day in the Ukraine, will come to an end!

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Those crazy Russians! What’ll they do next?!

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Wait wait wait!

Relax. One will do.

I think you are getting emotional about this invasion.

You do see it as an invasion, don’t you?

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All so the Liberals can get the 9 million ethnic Ukrainian vote that traditionally went to the concervatives.

People voting for the those who support them and their ideals? What a shocker!

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Putin needs to be gone ASAP, only then can a peaceful settlement be reached, also an end to these unfounded nuclear propaganda stories. For sure the media is having a field day with their untruth stories.

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Antiquesaving,

those troops from the 101 Airborne are on a regular rotation.

They are replacing the 82nd Airborne Division's 3rd Infantry Brigade.

Not a secret, quite easy to find out yourself!

This has been done for quite some years, so nothing special at all!

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Not distract, facts would you like to challenge those facts?

No. This is a news story about Russia and Ukraine and the imminent threat of nuclear war.

20 years Taliban still there.

This is a news story about Russia and Ukraine and the imminent threat of nuclear war. Would you like to talk about that?

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There are levels of indoctrination, then there are levels of police involvement and jail time 15 years for disrespecting the military? So even blatant corruption and ineptitude can’t be spoken about? Russia stages Nuclear games, that’s not a game it’s a viagra for Putin. He is becoming more desperate to sustain his self perceived idea of his manhood. He is 70yo one of the richest men in the world, Time to just relax not start a war. Upping things to nuclear that’s a historical blunder. Sure my grandchildren will look back in history and say Putin what a nutcase.

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Nukes, schmukes - LOL! The resolute Ukrainians won't be intimidated by the Kremlin's desperate "Putinkin Village" war games. A Russian Army coup is now the only off-ramp remaining to remove the malicious little psychopath and end this meaningless, wasteful war.

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Well, looks more and more like those Russians have no way out from Kherson!

Reinforcing - like those concrete blocks they set up in some other area?

Won't help them - this is not 1917 or 1942! Trench wars are over!

In addition - so far more than 2.000 conscripts surrendered voluntarily to Ukraine, even with their "military hardware!

Ukraine will prevail!

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What stops the poor conscripts from raising the white flag and surrendering to Zelensky's army?

Most likely they have been brainwashed to believe the lies the Kremlin have been telling them since they were children, and are not capable of thinking their enemies have a level of humanity their Russian leaders never had. Russian leaders seem to have brainwashed their people similarly to how Iranian, North Korean and Chinese leaders have brainwashed theirs. Ultra nationalistic and authoritarian regimes blind people, taking away their humanity and limiting them to be automatons programmed to do whatever their master directs them to do. But in fairness, it appears many Russians, at least the handful still able to reason for themselves, have left Russia so they do not have to become cannon fodder for Putin and the Kremlin. Some Russian soldiers have surrendered, probably thinking being alive trumps being dead, and that dying for a madman leading a vicious regime, even if their sins will be forgiven for having done so, is not a reasonable option.

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While much of the front line remains off limits to journalists

Then the writer says this.

A Ukrainian helicopter gunship swept low over the fields, loosed rockets at the Russian positions and wheeled around spitting flares to distract any heat-seeking anti-aircraft rockets fired at it.

And the rest as if he or some other western journalist actually saw this.

But as far as I can tell this was a near word for word press release from the Ukrainian government as this same story and the rest appear slightly modified in several other publications including AFP, AP, BBC, CBC. All articles by different writers with no one actually saying where this information came from.

I am not saying isn't true but in this is from the Ukrainian government not journalists then say so, don't try and pretend it is independently observed news.

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Are we there yet,this should some up the war in Ukraine

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Moscow said President Vladimir Putin had personally overseen the nuclear drills remotely.

Would have had so much more emphasis if they’d left off “remotely”

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It’s a war, and unlike a video game you can’t do over. It’s a shocking indictment of humanity that war in any form is supported, particularly the people supporting the aggressor. Are they as deranged as the leadership. Russia has not only attacked its neighbour but made laws that restrict its own people both in protesting and expressing their opinions. Medieval not advanced society at all.

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In Russia, the military staged a high-profile rehearsal for nuclear war, with state television broadcasts dominated by footage of submarines, strategic bombers and missile forces practicing launches in retaliation for an atomic attack.

More bombast and bluster....why not show all the T80 tanks in Ukraine without their turrets or the hulk of the Moskva at the bottom of the Black Sea on Russian State TV?

Moscow has conducted a diplomatic campaign this week to promote an accusation that Kyiv is preparing to release nuclear material with a so-called "dirty bomb", an allegation the West calls baseless and a potential pretext for Russian escalation.

You'd think Putin would realize the West is on to his false-flag signaling....whenever Russia makes an accusation, just read it as what they plan to do next...

"In the press they say the Russians are afraid and will withdraw their troops, but that is not true," said a unit commander at the front, who asked to be quoted by his nickname, Nikifor. "They are fighting well and hitting our troops.

Or in other words, if we run, the FSB will shoot us at the border...

Time for the Ukrainians to again capture some more front-line Russian equipment and ammo...

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What stops the poor conscripts from raising the white flag and surrendering to Zelensky's army?

They have that option, however, they know they are the invaders (or they believe the Russian lies) and getting close enough to those that you have wronged in order to surrender a opposed to being viewed as a threat may still not be far enough in front of those stopping your retreat.

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In Russia, the military staged a high-profile rehearsal for nuclear war, with state television broadcasts dominated by footage of submarines, strategic bombers and missile forces practicing launches in retaliation for an atomic attack.

The guy is a full on loon. Threatening to blow up the world because Russia (already the largest country in the world) needs a bit more space to spread out into.

We can not tolerate this continuous sabre rattling from Putin and his stooges. All these events must be matched by more heavy weapons for Ukraine.

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The nukes are off limits to all, but if it does break out we all know who will be the loser ! and it is NOT NATO.

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In order words, the defenders of Kherson, whom the media told us are unmotivated and flee during battle are actually highly determined and willing to fight to the death.

The evidence would say otherwise....

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/special-report-abandoned-russian-base-holds-secrets-of-retreat-in-ukraine

...not to mention the thousands of remorseful Russian letters left behind on battlefield, schools, in homes etc. from generals right down to conscript. All said sorry, all eishing for peace to return asap.

Your hero the narcissistic Putin got played by Sullivan and Blinken. All got nothing, for all sides.

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The nukes are off limits to all, but if it does break out we all know who will be the looser ! and it is NOT NATO.

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Ukrainian troops at the front line said on Wednesday they were expecting a bitter fight for the southern Kherson region,

In order words, the Ukrainians asked for a large fries and the Russian part timers only gave them small.

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The poor bloody conscripts are badly equipped and seriously under motivated which standard russian practice is to station blocking units behind them with orders to kill them if they retreat, so yes they either fight or are murdered by their own side.

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All the intel showing up now proves Zelenskyy was right after all. Russia never really wanted to invade, was never ready to anyway, had no logistics lined up and certainly no hardware. Blinken's brinkmanship and Sullivan's needing to prove he has balls is what tipped Putin the narcissist over.

All the west had to do was tell a white lie 'Ukraine will not be accepted into NATO', all that sufferings...

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