U.N. blames Israeli army for Gaza attacks

The report accused Israel of failing to protect U.N. buildings and the civilians inside them, and recommended that the United Nations seek damages.

Wait a second... If the U.N buildings were in Gaza and Hamas is in control of Gaza isn't it Hamas's job to protect the buildings?

Come on now, you know as well as I do, that this "investigation" was a joke. The moment a UN facility in Gaza was damaged, even if it was Hamas itself that stormed the facility, Israel would have been blamed. Reality hasn't mattered to the UN for a long time. The only thing that matters is its racist view. The US and Israel are bad. Everything is the fault of one or the other, or both.

TheQuestion: Wait a second... If the U.N buildings were in Gaza and Hamas is in control of Gaza isn't it Hamas's job to protect the buildings?

Even if you take that tack, the fact that Israel does not allow the Gazans to purchase the military hardware necessary to 1)shoot down Israeli warplanes that bomb these buildings, or 2) to destroy the Israeli tanks that bombard them.

In other words, ISRAEL controls Gaza and the Palestinians can't do much about it. Hamas is like the president of the student council. They most certainly DO NOT run the school.

What a disgrace for the UN. A weak report with no consequences for Israel. And the report only deals with the cowardly attacks on UN buildings and staff. What about the tens of thousands of other war crimes carried out by Israel on innocent Gazan citizens and their homes and fields...why didn't the UN investigate, report and punish Israel for them? What a insult to humanity.

In other words, ISRAEL controls Gaza and the Palestinians can't do much about it. Hamas is like the president of the student council. They most certainly DO NOT run the school.

I don't know how much things have changed since I left high school but last time I checked with the alumni the student council didn't have mid ranged rockets.

I suppose Hamas could have stopped firing at Israelii buildings in order to shoot at the tanks or aircraft but they didn't, they could have stopped firing the rockets altogether to take away the justification for the attack but they didn't. They didn't do anything to help the people they were elected to protect.

Hamas is still living in its glory days as a terrorist organization looking back fondly on the good times like the passover massacre and the second intifada. They don't want to help the plastinians they just want the money pouring in from the relief funds. Israel's government defended its people, Palestines government didn't feel the need.

TheQuestion, I couldn't agree more.

Time the UN be moved from New York to Khartoum or some other third world hell-hole, where it might actually be a force for good in this world.

Speaking of Khartoum. The Nixon administration badly bungled the murder of American ambassador Cleo Noel by the Black September Organization, an offshoot of Arafat's PLO (Fatah) A document produced in 1973 by the Department of State, and released last year, that the terrorist operation was carried out with the full knowledge and personal approval of Yasser Arafat. The response by Nixon was a limp wristed nothing. Perhaps, perhaps, if a forceful response had be given there would be a lot less terrorism now. Only 3 of the 8 terrorists were ever spent any time in jail.

Assistant Attorney General at the Department of Justice, John R. Bolton, gave Afafat a pass.

These UN sites were warehouses holding supplies. These buildings were places where men, women and children were hiding from the constant Israeli bombardment. These weren't warehouses of weapons. They weren't anything to do with Hamas or any fringe groups.

Israel knew they were US sites. It was murder. Outright murder. Of the more than 1,400 Palestinians who died, most were children. < :-)

Of the more than 1,400 Palestinians who died, most were children.

adaydream, provide a source that most were children.

They weren't anything to do with Hamas or any fringe groups.

You do realize, of course, these warehouses were raided by Hamas terrorists at gunpoint and their contents confiscated according to the UN.

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2008/s2483175.htm

Has there been much indiscriminate rocket fire lately?

TheQuestion: I don't know how much things have changed since I left high school but last time I checked with the alumni the student council didn't have mid ranged rockets.

Analogies don't work for crap if you are going to throw in a non-analogy, and those Quassam rockets are real and don't fit the analogy unless you have been popping mescaline. Have you???

Those high powered fireworks you mention CANNOT shoot down jets or blow up tanks. For all the thousands fired into Israel over eight years, a mere 15 Israelis have died.

Compare that with 1,400 Palestinians killed in one month.

To fit the analogy, its like the students have rocks. Could students get rocks? Yeah, they could.

they could have stopped firing the rockets altogether to take away the justification for the attack but they didn't.

I suppose the Israelis could relinquish control of Gaza's airspace and shores and inner borders and take away the justification for the rocket attacks, but they didn't.

They didn't do anything to help the people they were elected to protect.

You think they were elected to protect the Palestinians? I don't think the Palestinians elected them for that purpose.

They don't want to help the plastinians they just want the money pouring in from the relief funds.

I don't doubt it.

Israel's government defended its people

And their ill gotten lands.

The Question: they could have stopped firing the rockets altogether

The militants have stopped firing rockets. And so far there have been no Israeli attacks. Yet some people in this world just can't seem to see that link....

Well, I shouldn't say that. I'm not 100% sure there have been no rocket attacks. The media only mentions rocket attacks when Israel responds. As far as I know tomorrow Israel could respond by firing it's own rocket and the media will mention something near the bottom of the article that the militants have actually fired X number of rockets over the last month. But unless Israel responds, the media doesn't talk about it.

likeitis: For all the thousands fired into Israel over eight years, a mere 15 Israelis have died. Compare that with 1,400 Palestinians killed in one month.

Yet some are silly enough to continue to support the Palestinians' choice of solving the problem with Israel through military means. How about you?

"U.N."

Is this the Useless Nations?

Checking...

Yeah, it is!

For all the thousands fired into Israel over eight years, a mere 15 Israelis have died. Compare that with 1,400 Palestinians killed in one month.

Very impressive statistic. Really tugs at the heartstrings, eh? Cuts right to the core of the matter - it perfectly illustrates the different attitudes towards life held by these two cultures.

Let's compare what the two sides do in order to provide for the safety of their citizens.

Democratic Israel builds bomb shelters for its citizens, and has an extensive monitoring system that provides advance warning of missile attack, in order to minimize loss of life.

The Iranian proxy Hamas, ruling in "Palestine", seeks to maximize any potential loss of life - it uses the homes of "ordinary citizens" to store bombs and ammunition, to smuggle weapons in or out of, and to booby trap.

SuperLib: Yet some are silly enough to continue to support the Palestinians' choice of solving the problem with Israel through military means. How about you?

Support is not the correct word. I simply see no other choice. The Israelis do not respond well enough nor quickly enough to peace. Neither does the world put pressure on Israel when the Palestinians are quietly rotting in their prison.

What I would like to see more than Palestinian violence is for Israel to keep her promises with regards to setting the Palestinians free.

teleprompter: Let's compare what the two sides do in order to provide for the safety of their citizens.

Since the interest of Hamas is NOT the safety of citizens, it is silly to make the comparison.

What Hamas seeks is freedom, not safety.

Support is not the correct word. I simply see no other choice.

You condone violence as an acceptable why to achieve a goal. Yet when the very same violence is returned in a massive scale..it is now not fair.

Go figure

Helter Skelter do a little googling. 313 children dead during the Israeli offensive. 1/3 of those killed were kids. < :-)

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/dec08.html

sailwind: You condone violence as an acceptable why to achieve a goal. Yet when the very same violence is returned in a massive scale..it is now not fair. Go figure

Either you do not know the difference between the oppressor and the oppressed or you do not want to.

I do not exactly condone the violence either. Its more like its a matter of course when people are oppressed like this.

Either you do not know the difference between the oppressor and the oppressed or you do not want to.

I learned violence never solved anything either from the oppressed or the oppssor. I know that difference, you seem to have forget that along the way.

"I learned violence never solved anything either from the oppressed or the oppssor."

Nonsense ! Violence got the Germans out of France and England ! The Japanese out of the Philippines, and the Iraqis out of Kuwait... just to name a few ! Make no mistake, violence works ! To the victors go the spoils. The whole problem with the Israeli-Palastinian conflict is a lack of serious violence. I say arm the troops with equal power and let them have at it !

The UN is fast becoming the political wing of Islamic jihad. While Islamic leaders continue to call for de facto genocide of the Jews (with reference to Muslim texts) and to praise the Nazis, the UN is about outlaw criticism of Islam. Other religions remain fair game of course.

What Hamas seeks is freedom, not safety.

Umm, no, they could have freedom, they could have had peace. What they wanted however was to destroy Israel. Not to negotiate in good faith for freedom and peace. No, violence is the tactic they have chosen. Right now they're in the process of rearming, smuggling weapons in from Egypt. Weapons provided by Iran.

How much do you actually know about Hamas? CNN, FOX, Washington Post, Jerusalem Post? It is easy to banter around puns like "Iranian Proxy", but why don't you open your shuttered eyes. Any violence from Hamas is a reaction to the occupation, collective punishment, isolation, blah, blah, blah. Maybe too complicated for you to understand. Why do you really think Hamas is so popular and won the democratic Palestinian elections? Not because of violence. Hamas has always been a ground roots social network for a nation devastated by Israeli oppression and war crimes. Hamas has always acted in the care and concern for its civilian citizens. It only acts in defense. Israel attacks all it's neighbours and has destabled the whole region from it's stolen Palestinian land. Don't knock Hamas until you study some facts and history.

saruzenki: I say arm the troops with equal power and let them have at it !

The situation is actually so bad, that I sort of agree. The Palestinians have been in a situation so bad for so long they seem to have little hope of becoming a modern civilized people anytime soon. The Israelis are there except for their treatment of the Palestinians, who became the way they are primarily thanks to Israeli theivery and oppression.

I believe the Israelis could have a lovely society if the Palistinians just disappeared. But you could say the same thing about Southern whites and ex-slaves in the American South after the American Civil War. Whether a wonderful society could be had is not the question. The question is: Do the Israelis deserve it? And the answer is "NO", not even if the oppressed ones could be moved to a paradise (although I would like to see that happen, impossible as it is). What so many Israelis deserve is to be eye to eye with the oppressed peoples they created. And the Palestinians? I have no hope for them in the near future. Therefore, I would welcome it if they all just wiped eachother out and stopped bothering us all. But certainly a peaceful, and AHEM, fair solution is far more welcome.

Of the more than 1,400 Palestinians who died, most were children.

adaydream, you said most of those who died were children. Yet your own numbers show this isn't the case. Most were NOT children. You seem to have a bad habit of posting inflammatory untruths like this.

Next, why don't you tell us how they define "children". Up to what age is considered a child? You need to answer these questions if you're going to continue to pretend you know what you're talking about.

Hamas has always acted in the care and concern for its civilian citizens. It only acts in defense.

So, you're one of those head in the sand types that just spout the party line. Well, either that or you're an idiot. Israel and the US are bad, and to blame for everything. Forget the thousands of rockets that Hamas fired into Israel, apparently every rocket fired was in defense of its citizens. And every Israeli killed by terrorists sneaking across the border likewise in defense of its citizens. And yes, placing mortar and guns in schools and hospitals, hiding munitions in mosques, definitely acting solely with care and concern for its civilians.

Any more lies you care to spew, or would you care to face reality? You admit that Hamas is to blame for the continuing violence, I'll admit that Israel is responsible for the continuing oppression. Hamas strikes Israel, Israel clamps down even more, leading to a never ending cycle of violence. They are both responsible for what has happened. Don't try to excuse Hamas for the crimes of which they are culpable. Though I put most of the blame on Hamas. Israel has to act when its people are being murdered. Hamas could sit down and negotiate and Israel would ease up on a lot of the sanctions if they did so in good faith. But of course you won't acknowledge this truth. You'll either ignore me, say something moronic blaming either the US, Israel, or both. Or, you'll take some small piece of what I said out of context and try to dismiss my post in this manner. Which is it going to be?

Well excuse me for being a bit off in my numbers.

A bit? You were completely wrong. Why should we believe anything you say? And you still haven't defined what age is considered a "child".

Why is the UN so anti-semitic? You would think in the wake of the holocaust that the UN would think through these situations. The truth is that anyone who speaks ill of Israel is an anti-Semite and a neo-nazi.

It looks as though a UN representative has said it yesterday - Ver hetten si aller tutten solen - the UN will speak these words louder than any neo-nazi, by allowing the holocaust to continue. The UN is the Democrat Socialists come back to power. They must be stopped, if freedom is to exist.

The UN's time is done. They are an unelected body who represent no one. John Bolton was right, take them out and expect the world to get better.

I have been an advocate of peace on JT

adaydream, all you have ever done on JT is trash Israel and the US, and support all of their enemies. Shall I list them? Nice try with your attempt to take the high road.

Yes I've trashed Israel from day 1.

I have trashed the US mostly when george bush was president and he used his presidency to kill many innocents, however I guess I need to support the US when they kill many innocents. Is that what you're saying?

Sure list them and when you do list them also list the reason I supported the enemies as you say. I got all day. < :-)

unless you have been popping mescaline. Have you???

It's Wednesday so no.

Those high powered fireworks you mention CANNOT shoot down jets or blow up tanks. For all the thousands fired into Israel over eight years, a mere 15 Israelis have died.

Didn't say they would work, I just said they could have tried. Big waste of materials firing over the border if you ask me. With all the money they spent buying the rockets they probably could have bought medical supplies or books or something of actual value.

suppose the Israelis could relinquish control of Gaza's airspace and shores and inner borders and take away the justification for the rocket attacks, but they didn't.

So instead of playing nice they fire rockets at the neighbors just to piss them off knowing full well it won't do anything but cause their people pain and misery in the long run. Ok, that makes sense.

You think they were elected to protect the Palestinians? I don't think the Palestinians elected them for that purpose.

So what were they elected to do? Because unless it involves provoking the Israel military and getting their own people killed for a personal vendetta against the Jews I think its safe to say they failed at it...whatever it is.

And their ill gotten lands.

Which of course means that Hamas should be able to slaughter as many Israelii's as humanly possible. Its only fair right?

And you thought I was popping pills.

support the US when they kill many innocents

Give it a break adaydream. Stop pretending you care about innocents being killed. You pretend to care about them only when it's politically expedient to promote your socialist agenda. The jig is up.

Sure list them

Sure. How about we start with your open support of Amadinejad and Iran's quest to acquire nuclear weapons. Even your hero Obama is against this. Why not you? Do you want Israel nuked that desperately?

Molehir, are you serious? The cycle of violence was not started by Hamas, and is totally to the benifet of Israels land grab. Also you shouldn't use the word terrorist to describe a people living in the world's largest concentration camp. They have every right to defend themselves, although thanks to the Wests guilt over WW2, they have only rocks and home-made skyrockets. Look what happened when Hamas had a ceasefire? The prison gates remained shut for all but about 10 days, where only trucks carrying certain goods(deemed suitable by Israel) to 4 million people. There was no right of return, no return to 1967 borders(already a massive sacrifice, but realistic), no state with Jeruslum as a capital. Nothing. Israel's plan to drive a nation into Jordan will never work. The only solution is for Israel to be forced to accept reality and give the Palestinians their country(well half) back. Violence has never solved anything. Back to the point of this story. The UN should put an arms and economic embargo on Israel, with US and EU backing. UN peacekeepers should be deployed with a mandate to clear all settlements and control the border on 2km of both sides. Then we can end the cycle of stupid violence.

I support Iran's acquiring nuclear energy. I have supported that all along.

I have questioned many times the difference between Israel having nuclear weapons and Iran having nuclear weapons.

I have questioned many times why Pakistan and India were allowed to acquire nuclear weapons. Where was the up roar then. I have ask where the equality is in posters opinions.

I have all along said I wanted nuclear weapons reduced and not in my lifetime, see them done away with.

Your question was ask many times before (Do you want Israel nuked that desperately?) when it concerned the US and Russia. And we built them and they built them. It's a deterent. I don't want anybody having them, but as long as Israel has one, someone in Iran is trying to build one. Even underground away from the government's knowledge.

But on this threat about Israel, they knew damned well where the UN warehouses were in Gaza. They were all mapped out. The Israelites have some damn good equipment. They ought to, they got it from us. So we know that from 50 miles away they can direct fire within meters of where it's being received from. We know that they have missiles that use coordinances, so they can hit targets and not hit UN warehouses.

Israel knew they were killing non-military targets and civilians. They knew there was no weapontry in those warehouses. They knew that because they received the same new reports and they knew they were killing civialians day after day and in 22 days they have been charged with six serious attacks on U.N. warehouses during its Gaza masacre.

Israel said they were punishing Gaza for their attacks, when in fact Gaza was retaliating for two attacks on them by Israel and Israel took that opportunity to amass an all out killing crusade, even at killing civilians in friendly zones. That's murder. < :-)

even at killing civilians in friendly zones

You know Hamas terrorists don't wear uniforms and hide among civilians, including in hospitals, mosques, and schools. Put the blame where blame is due.

It's a deterent.

M.A.D. does not apply to fundamentalist Islamic nations that export terrorism and believe in self-sacrificing oneself for Allah.

Israel knew they were...blah blah blah

You've repeatedly proven yourself to be untruthful and inflammatory in your posts, so anything you say has no credibility and is meaningless. Carry on.

There was no right of return, no return to 1967 borders(already a massive sacrifice, but realistic), no state with Jeruslum as a capital. Nothing. Israel's plan to drive a nation into Jordan will never work. The only solution is for Israel to be forced to accept reality and give the Palestinians their country(well half) back. Violence has never solved anything. Back to the point of this story. The UN should put an arms and economic embargo on Israel, with US and EU backing.

Why the hell would Israel want to give up the land they died for just so the new and improved Palestine can keep attacking them. It's like asking the winner of a boxing match to cut off a third of his championship belt and give the other two-thirds to his opponent that tried every dirty trick in the book and failed.

On top of that why should the U.S, a country Israel is nothing but friendly with, and the E.U, a group of countries Israel has done nothing to upset, impose such wild sanctions on a country that is merely doing its best to survive in a hostile environment. Giving the Palestine half its land back would do absolutly nothing to slow the violence, if anything it would spur them on because they would see themselves as the victors.

Helter Skelter take 2 minutes 8 seconds to listen to this youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWP0GU0wVSk

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28582768

I know you like to defend Israel. They are the perfect ones. They would never do anything wrong. You're defending of these cold blooded murderers is halarious at best.

Israel has in the past shown that they could care less where innocent civilians are hiding and bombed them without mercy.

Continue to support your Israeli terrorists. < :-)

Ps-s-s-st Helter Skelter, show me a link that says that Israel didn't know they were bombing innocent civilians. Show me a link where Israel took great care to not kill women and children. You are so quick to deny my truths, prove your truths.

Those Israeli Jews you defend are murderers. < :-)

Ps-s-s-st Helter Skelter, show me a link that says that Israel didn't know they were bombing innocent civilians

Better yet, you show a link where HAMAS didn't bomb innocent civilians. A Qassam rocket is considered a bomb if you want to get technical by the wat.

There's no better yet sailwind. Show me that Israel didn't know that they were killing innocent civilians. Show me that Israel took those special efforts not to bomb UN safehavens where civilians go to hide away from the bombing. < :-)

Show me that Israel didn't know that they were killing innocent civilians.

Even the most inept debater knows never to ask someone to prove a negative. FAIL.

Those Israeli Jews you defend are murderers.

Hehe. Yet another socialist dupe being a victim of the "Palestinian" propaganda machine.

Even the most inept debater knows never to ask someone to prove a negative. FAIL.

No, you can't defend your side.

I ask because I know the answer already. < :-)

I have questioned many times why Pakistan and India were allowed to acquire nuclear weapons. Where was the up roar then. I have ask where the equality is in posters opinions.

What a silly question. Bill Clinton was President then. He's a Dem, and you can't talk bad about a Dem. I mean hell, he completely failed with North Korea too, but you hardly ever heard any blame put on him for that. No, it was all Bush's fault for pointing it out. India, Pakistan, North Korea, all 3 of these should never have been allowed to develop Nukes, that they did was a failure of the US administration, the media for not pointing it out, and the UN. Well, thats the UN for you, completely inept in every way.

There's no better yet sailwind. Show me that Israel didn't know that they were killing innocent civilians. Show me that Israel took those special efforts not to bomb UN safehavens where civilians go to hide away from the bombing. < :-)

You're still on about this? Come on now, if Israel had wanted to kill civilians, there would have been a hundred thousand dead, not merely a thousand. They were more then careful, they were damn polite. Giving warning about where they would hit, announcing if you shoot at us, we will triangulate and return fire. They hit a UN building, wow, what a huge horrible mistake. Of course if you compare it to Hamas seizing UN supplies... Oh wait, we can't point that out. Hamas is not to blame for anything right. </sarcasm>

Actually there has tit for tat for years.

Then last year Israel attacked Gaza twice after 5 months of a cease fire. Hamas retaliated and Israel took that opportunity of retaliation to call an all out assault in Gaza.

Israel would have killed many more, especially after getting bush's okie dokie, but the world community's outrage finally got Israel to stop. It was that outrage that kept the deaths that low. < :-)

Hmmm Molenir, it appears that India and Pakistan started developing their nuclear weapons during republican presidencies. Pakistan did test fire successive test explosions while Clinton was president. But they were long developed before Clinton. Damn, just when I was going to believe you. < :-)

India tested what it called a "peaceful nuclear explosive" in 1974 (which became known as "Smiling Buddha"). The test was the first test developed after the creation of the NPT, and created new questions about how civilian nuclear technology could be diverted secretly to weapons purposes (dual-use technology).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

Pakistan's Nuclear Weapons Program was established in 1974 when the Directorate of Technical Development (DTD) was set up in PAEC by chairman Munir Ahmad Khan. Khan was credited as the one of the pioneers of Pakistan's atomic bomb by a recent study from the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), London's dossier on Pakistan's nuclear program.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

Israel would have killed many more, especially after getting bush's okie dokie, but the world community's outrage finally got Israel to stop. It was that outrage that kept the deaths that low. < :-)

Yes... It was the worlds outrage that kept casualties low. Hehe, have to admit, I laughed at that one.

Regarding Pakistan and India and their development of Nukes, don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia. They didn't get nukes until Bill Clinton. Not that it matters, whether he was a Republican or Dem, if it had been a Rep in there when they got em, it would have been just as big a failure as it was with Clinton.

Oh, was that another joke, posting the bogus wiki links? I just assumed you made a mistake there, was that deliberate? If so, was amusing as well. Poor debating, but amusing none the less.

Predictable as clockwork. The UN blames Israel for reacting, but no mention about the 10,000 rocket attacks and cross-border attacks including kidnappings that led Israel to respond.

Anything else would have been a huge surprise.

The UN blames Israel for reacting, but no mention about the 10,000 rocket attacks and cross-border attacks including kidnappings that led Israel to respond.

... and no mention about why they were firing those rockets.

The Israeli military are lying murderers. They deserve all the criticism they're getting, and more.

Helter Skelter

The Israelians can do no wrong because they are the Master race, oops i mean Yaweh's chosen race.

Trained army by the germans, and their experience during WW2 have molded the israeli's

The oppressed have become the opressors

The UN blames Israel for Gaza attacks, and this is news? How long has the UN blamed Israel for EVERY-thing thath as happened in Gaza or anywhere else?

Blue Tiger, The reason the UN blames(although it has no guts to act) many war crimes against Israel is that it deserves the blame (simple logic !)

Proof, Den_Den, to back up such a ludicrous statement, if you please....