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Unsigned Trump order told Pentagon to seize voting machines: Politico

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No matter how bad you thought Trump was, he was and is infinitely worse.

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Then they would have juiced up the hand recount, no doubt. It's that close America has become to being a banana republic.

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Trump. How is it that he was born in America? He must be from another planet. He cannot be from Earth.

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Though we've long had the goods on 45 with his grubby finger prints all over them for all with eyes to see, the drip, drip torture of waiting, waiting for justice never stops so FGS what's the DOJ waiting for? LOCK HIM UP! The reluctance of the establishment to bring charges against one of their own, an ex-Potus, has become a cancer on the republic.

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The land of the free and the home of the brave?????

nah, I don’t think so

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And China laughs!

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"Effective immediately, the Secretary of Defense shall seize, collect, retain and analyze all machines, equipment, electronically stored information, and material records required for retention," says the three-page draft.

Could have been written by the Myanmar Generals or some third world dictator....that's what four years of Trump and MAGA has brought to our democracy....

The document reprises many of the debunked conspiracy theories about hacked voting machines that were pushed by figures in Trump's orbit now being targeted by congressional investigators, including right-wing attorney Sidney Powell.

Sidney Powell as in "The Kraken rises"....except it didn't, and in addition to facing millions in civil suits, she is now a key suspect in this criminal election obstruction investigation....

She falsely told reporters the election had been targeted by "communist money through Venezuela, Cuba, and likely China."

Flat out crazy...beyond nutty....but that's where the Repub party is now...

Powell and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani led unsuccessful efforts to have courts throw out election results in key swing states in the weeks after Trump's defeat.

Rudy has been banished from Trump-world and is also facing millions in civil suits. Time for Rudy to bring out his "insurance policy"....

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Proof that Trump and his loyal people don't believe in democracy.

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From Politico today:

"This draft order represents not only an abuse of emergency powers, but a total misunderstanding of them," said Liza Goitein, co-director of the liberty and national security program at the nonprofit Brennan Center for Justice. "The order doesn’t even make the basic finding of an 'unusual and extraordinary threat' that would be necessary to trigger any action under [federal emergency powers law]. It’s the legal equivalent of a kid scrawling on the wall with crayons."

It is likely that had the President tried to implement this the courts would have stopped it the same day before the sun set. By that time Mark Esper was gone replaced by one of Mr. Trumps poodles but I'm also pretty certain the uniformed side of the military would have refused to go along with what the JAG would tell them is a highly illegal order.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/21/read-the-never-issued-trump-order-that-would-have-seized-voting-machines-527572

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Truth is stranger than fiction.

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nothing wrong with this. The people had a right to know if the voting machines were compromised.

Even Biden last weeks says cant trust if your vote will be counted or not.

its who counts the votes...counts the votes....counts the votes!

And yours might not be, as voting is subverted, he said.

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Trump may have been willing to take

and

But it was never signed.

So a staffer drafted something, thats what we have?

Man, the panic is really setting in to do anything it takes to get Trump off that ballot.

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The funny thing now and as we get closer to November, expect the attacks on Trump to increase and the attacks on Biden to be snuffed out and this is the reason why conservative books outrank, outsell, and outperform liberal political pundits, they know the media and print will silence them so they go out and buy these peoples books and won't allow the left to define the news cycle or criticism against them or the person they want that they think represents them the best.

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What surprises and pains my heart is that the buffon is not in prison and despite owing

hundreds of millions his properties have not been seized and is not facing lawsuits and

allowed to continue to forment hatred.

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And China laughs!

I doubt Xi would stoop as low as Trump. Trump is the USA's own Lukashenko. Now many in the the Trump camps are claiming they are patriots because they obey Trump, not US laws, ND Americans THAT are not for Trump, they are traitors. Trump is the most divisive politician in US history and has control over media that follows him and further divides the long divided country. Apparently there's lots of money to be made scamming Trump's herds.

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released by the National Archives and obtained by Politico

oh by the way, yesterday the National Archives released these exact documents to the Jan 6 committee.

How did Politico get it? hmmmm, I wonder,

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How did Politico get it? hmmmm, I wonder,

Because that matters. Sure.

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Because that matters. Sure.

It actually does. The National Archives released these documents to a committee in Congress.

Not just so Politico could have it. that called a...."leak". which is supposedly illegal.

Well it would be illegal if someone leaked the Ray Epps transcript from that same committee, for sure.

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Amazing to see our Trump supporters, who despise "big government" interference in our daily activities, try (and fail) to defend a federal military seizure of state-certified voting results...

Voting results certified by REPUB election officials...

Well, not so amazing - it's just one more example of their embrace of fascism and authoritarianism...

Let's be clear - they are defending the military intercede in a free and fair election - one as the article pointed out, was verified by Trump's own Attorney General - the nation's top law enforcement official...

More evidence that Trump and his cabal were attempting a coup, no different from the Myanmar Generals....

And that will be a weight tied to every cowardly Repub in 2022/24....

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And that will be a weight tied to every cowardly Repub in 2022/24....

sure it will. its likely not even a Top 10 voter issue due to all the Dem failures in Year 1.

Do Voters Want Democrats Or Republicans In Congress?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-generic-ballot-polls/

oddly, people now prefer that Republicans control Congress on a generic ballot.

That almost never happens. Thanks Biden, you did that!

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Effective immediately, the Secretary of Defense shall seize, collect, retain and analyze all machines, equipment, electronically stored information, and material records required for retention," says the three-page draft.

The only humanoid that talks like is Stephen Miller.

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What’s Bidens approval ratings? Oh yeah the worse in presidential history! Haha

Nope.

Absolutely hysterical.

I haven’t read anything as bad as this since one disturbed poster had a disgraceful meltdown claimed the election result of 2020 was going to be overturned and the walls were closing in on Biden.

The fact-free world of the Trump cult.

I blame the alternative media. They are making a fortune out of scamming the vulnerable.

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I used to naively think that there was a line out there that Trump's supporters wouldn't cross - some flagrant assault on our democracy and Constitution by Trump that even they couldn't stomach...

No more....

If they can rally behind a military coup, no different than what occurred in Myanmar, where a democratically elected government was overthrown and the will of the people violently annulled, then there is no line for them...

And that, ladies and gentlemen, means they are not a political movement or a political party - they are a crazed, evil cult...that shares most of its values with Putin and Xi and none with Eisenhower and Reagan....

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I doubt Xi would stoop as low as Trump.

Lower actually, way lower.

Trump is the USA's own Lukashenko.

Here we go…

Now many in the the Trump camps are claiming they are patriots because they obey Trump, not US laws, ND Americans THAT are not for Trump, they are traitors.

No, as clear thinking Americans people love Trump because he hates the establishment and the interesting part about all of it is, the man actually thinks that people should live their lives the way they want and that the establishment is corrupt and that we need a powerful and not woke military and relying less on government is not a bad thing.

Maybe, just maybe if the Dems would do something similar they wouldn’t be losing in the polls and facing complete political Annihilation this fall. Trump, Youngkin and DeSantis figured that out, but the Dems can’t.

Trump is the most divisive politician in US history and has control over media that follows him and further divides the long divided country.

No, wrong, the media is sickly obsessed with this man, so much so that the major liberal networks are hemorrhaging viewers by the thousands since he left office, a lot of people made money hating Trump when he was in office and now, not so much. It is they that have to report or write an article when the guy eats a candy bar and but the rest of the news aside, enter FOX News to pick up the slack and ratings.

Apparently there's lots of money to be made scamming Trump's herds.

Not as much as hating the man and the liberal machine knows this.

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love Trump because he hates the establishment and the interesting part about all of it is,

Trump helped the "establishment" while in the WH more than any other politician has in recent years, see his tax cuts for the rich. The global and US establishment include fossils running fossil industries, see Trump holding fundraising events with the globe's fossil fuel titans.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/09/big-oil-trump-campaign-donations-fossil-fuel-industry

Trump cares little for most working Americans except when he's conning them into paying for his golf games and contributing to his personal bank accounts.

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Trump helped the "establishment" while in the WH

It’s his party, but he did help in getting more Anti-establishment conservatives to public office, so that’s fantastic!

more than any other politician has in recent years, see his tax cuts for the rich.

And look what those powerful rich big tech liberals did in return, some thanks!

The global and US establishment include fossils running fossil industries, see Trump holding fundraising events with the globe's fossil fuel titans.

Ok, So we’re just going to get rid of 350 million cars and start making crayons for kids and we’re going to drink out of aluminum cans and no more plastic bottles, no more car tires, that’s going to go very well with people

Trump cares little for most working Americans

No, if he didn’t care, the poor and dwindling middle class wouldn’t be voting for this guy in growing numbers even getting more minority men which is amazing.

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oh by the way, yesterday the National Archives released these exact documents to the Jan 6 committee.

How did Politico get it? hmmmm, I wonder,

They are public documents now.

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dems counted the votes in 2020.

Lmao really? The Dems counted the votes in Georgia? Since when Did Brad Raffensburger become a Democrat? If Democrats rigged the elections, then why didn't they give themselves a bigger majority in the Senate?

If Trump really thought there was voter fraud, then why didn't he sign the order? Kind of seems like Trump wasn't too interested in the truth, huh.

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If they were public documents they would be published on a government website and available for download.

and all media would have had access, not just “obtained” by Politico.

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Why would you want these machines (or postal voting) when they can be so easily manipulated? If you actually care about 'democracy' then you need to ensure such things are transparent and secure.

These systems and postal voting are secure. For all the noise nobody has ever been able to demonstrate any failures to report accurately nor has anyone ever been able to show an actual case of the machines either being hacked or programmed to alter the vote count. It has never happened. The very few incidents where someone attempted to submit fraudulent mail in ballots were discovered and charged, and obtw were cases of Republicans submitting more than one ballot for Republican candidates. These were mostly in a single gated community in Florida and limited to a few people.

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speaking of voting still no voter ID required.

I had to show my birth certificate to register to vote. As part of the process they take my signature on a signature card. From that point forward when I vote I have to sign my name so my signature can be cross checked state my signature card. Nobody has been able to demonstrate this system is easily or routinely gamed. It turns out a signature is very hard to fake. Likewise if I submit a ballot by mail the signature on the ballot is cross checked against that on my signature card before the ballot may be counted. If the signatures do not match the ballot is not counted. Again, there is no evidence that this system is routinely or easily gamed. In the over ten years Colorado has used universal mail in voting they have found about six instances of fraud.

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dominion machines did.

And? There's 0 proof of fraudulent voting or errors on the part of Dominion? Remember, Trump's own people publicly stated the 2020 elections were the safest and most secure ever.

Head of dominion announced pre election that don’t worry Trump won’t be winning.

Link, please.

so yes Dems counted the votes

That is not a logical conclusion, based upon what you have written.

I reiterate: If Trump really thought there was widespread voter fraud, why didn't he sign the order? Like I said, he's not interested in "truth."

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