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China says carrier group drills near Taiwan will become regular

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A Chinese carrier group is exercising near Taiwan and such drills will become regular, China's navy said late on Monday in a further escalation of tensions near the island that Beijing claims as its sovereign territory.

Taiwan has complained of an increase in Chinese military activity near it in recent months, as China steps up efforts to assert its sovereignty over the democratically run island.

China's navy said the carrier group, lead by the Liaoning, the country's first aircraft carrier put into active service, was carrying out "routine" drills in the waters near Taiwan.

The aim is to "enhance its capability to safeguard national sovereignty, safety and development interests", it said.

"Similar exercises will be conducted on a regular basis in the future," the navy added, without elaborating.

China's statement follows Taiwan's Defense Ministry reporting a new incursion by China's air force into the island's air defense identification zone on Monday.

Taiwan's Defense Ministry said it had a "full grasp" of the situation in the air and at sea surrounding Taiwan and that it was "appropriately handling" the matter.

Japan's Defense Ministry said on Sunday that the Liaoning, accompanied by five escort ships, had transited the Miyako Strait on their way to the Pacific.

China's widely-read Global Times, published by the ruling Communist Party's official People's Daily, noted the Nanchang, the first of a powerful new fleet of Type 055 destroyers that entered service last year, was part of the carrier group.

"The combination of aircraft carriers and Type 055 large destroyers will become a standard configuration of Chinese aircraft carrier task groups in the future," it added.

The Liaoning and its sister ship the Shandong have carried out drills or sailed near Taiwan before.

In December 2019, shortly before presidential and parliamentary elections in Taiwan the Shandong sailed through the sensitive Taiwan Strait, a move condemned by Taiwan as attempted intimidation.

Taiwan is China's most sensitive territorial issue and a potential military flashpoint. China has never renounced the use of force to bring the island under its control.

Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen is overseeing a revamp of the island's military, rolling out new equipment such as "carrier killer" stealth corvettes.

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Yukijin

China true power is the desire rest of the world has to trade with them.

Agree. Big companies (Big Tech in particular) are blinded by profits from Chinese slave labour, and consumer blinded by cheap prices.

At least, there is a way for consumers to change individual behaviour, if they want. Check out:

https://chinanever.com/

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starpunk

And like America's former Hitler, Xi is just crapping his diddies again. Nonetheless, Joe ain't going to take any lip from this punky dictator. No way.

Sure. Meanwhile, in the real world, the CCP is on a roll, and when you read the glowing praise for Biden in CCP organs like the Global Times, you see smiling faces and no "crapping" in any diddies. So far, Biden has ticked the items on the CPP wish list one by one. Attaboy!

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'In the future'. Xi is just shooting off his big yap again. And he's mirked that the current American President isn't going to kiss his butt like Sassy Brat Don. He's playing games again but that's really about it.

China's CCP once said that their army combined with that of the USSR would make an 'invincible' Communist force. Well, Mao's ego got bigger than the planet Jupiter and the CCP-Soviet alliance was splintered because of it. And like America's former Hitler, Xi is just crapping his diddies again. Nonetheless, Joe ain't going to take any lip from this punky dictator. No way.

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Time for the world to hit china economically and ban all their products.

Free Nations need to ban together, open full relationship with Taiwan,

US Navy and others need to do port visits and joint training.

Taiwan is a free nation and we must defend that right.

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Taiwan should announce the scheduling of torpedo drills to coincide with these maneuvers.

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PSmith

He hasn’t lifted the sanctions.

CCP back in the US power grid, and much more to come

Biden isn’t subsidizing China-based green technology.

Biden himself is not doing anything. He is just signing the papers he is handed. But that "green deal" that is hiding under the laste 4 trillion pork alotment absolutely means power to China, where all the rare earth mining and cheap labour happens. It is easy to look "green" when you export your environmental and human disasters to a place away.

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No, he should keep the Trump sanctions against the CCP in place, instead of lifing them,

He hasn’t lifted the sanctions.

leave the CCP dominated WHO,

Why not retake the WHO from the CCP instead of simply letting the CCP continue to take prestige and leadership away from the US?

and refrain from more dependence on the CCP by subsidizing China-based "green" technologies. 

Biden isn’t subsidizing China-based green technology.

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So, where is it? Your obscure remark is no answer. Trump increased arms sales to Taiwan (not to the level Taiwan wanted though), that is correct. But where is the "stockpiling" for a planned American "war against China"?

I already answered this: The same place your reference demonstrating there is no political will in the WH to stand up to China.

I don’t want to give our super secret, but perfectly accurate sources to liberals because they can’t handle the truth.

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Chicom = Chinese communist.

How about chinco? I predict China would not invade Taiwan before the winter Olympics that it will host.

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The Aussies are in the biggest quandary ever ! Geographically in Asia and China's no1 trading partner. They are also the US's no1 ally, there US has NEVER been to any war that Aussies didn't take part in. Here they are caught on whether to choose a most vital Asian trading partner or go to war with it in tandem with its traditionally Western Allies. The Chinese investments down under are massive, so are the Exports to China. They'll soon have to make that call.

There is no call to make. Australia will always choose to defend democracy and friends rather than Chinese Communist party with no freedoms and no friendship. The "choice" has already been made. For good or bad, win or lose we will be on the side of the allies not on the side of the evil axis of China and North Korea.

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The CCP have built up their military with the help of billions of tonnes of raw material from you Aussies.

Never hear a peep out of you on this.

Their military is also full of US/European chips and technology. The world trades with China and invests billions of dollars each year. No one nation is to blame for China's rise but all of those who moved manufacturing and invested their billions for profits are to blame equally.

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Strangerland

Do you think he should write his love letters in the same tone as Trump did with Kim, or should he aim for more of a "I love you, but your behavior is disappointing" approach?

And should he model Trump's red tie for the photo op?

No, he should keep the Trump sanctions against the CCP in place, instead of lifing them, leave the CCP dominated WHO, and refrain from more dependence on the CCP by subsidizing China-based "green" technologies. At the same time, while being tough on foreign opponents, he should not go round and publicly call them "killers".

You are welcome.

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P. Smith

Again, where is your reference for this "stockpiling for a war onChina"?

The same place your reference demonstrating there is no political will in the WH to stand up to China.

So, where is it? Your obscure remark is no answer. Trump increased arms sales to Taiwan (not to the level Taiwan wanted though), that is correct. But where is the "stockpiling" for a planned American "war against China"?

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Wow. A "carrier killer" . Sounds powerfull. I would like to see that in action against a paper Chinese carrier.

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Zaphod:

Again, where is your reference for this "stockpiling for a war onChina"?

The same place your reference demonstrating there is no political will in the WH to stand up to China.

Or, do you think you’re the only one who gets to make unsubstantiated claims?

So far, Biden doing right by the CCP, as shown by the praise from the CCP that you can read in e.g. the Global TImes.

Anyone else see the logic failure here?

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Desert Tortoise,

If what you say is true, weapons technology is seeing a very rapid progress in the U.S. The missiles of today may become obsolete overnight. The same may be said about the progress of weapons technology in China. 

Then, do you think the deployment of Aegis Ashore systems anywhere in Japan, squandering so much tax money, a good idea? The systems may have become obsolete and useless when they are completed.

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@Zaphod: War with the regime that made his family as well as his Big Tech supporters rich? In what universe? So far, Biden doing right by the CCP, as shown by the praise from the CCP that you can read in e.g. the Global TImes.

You make a good point. President Xi is Biden’s good buddy and he helped Hunter’s rehabilitation by giving him gobs of money for his skills at being related to old Joe. I suppose Biden could still be hoping for war but with the hope China defeats those capitalist pigs in that renegade province. I doubt the Democrats would be willing to support “Five Deferments Joe” for long in his quest to prove his manhood by sending others to war defending Taiwan - even if he were inclined to go against his Communist pal. Over the last 60 years Dems always end up turning their back on America during wartime. This is a tough call for Biden. Defend an ally and bulwark of democracy or fight against his trusted pal and ideological soulmate. We will just have to wait and see what happens.

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The question now is if Biden is man enough to stand up to the CCP. They are challenging him to see how he will react. Time for all of Biden’s dog faced pony soldiers to stand up and be counted. Balls in your court Joe.

Do you think he should write his love letters in the same tone as Trump did with Kim, or should he aim for more of a "I love you, but your behavior is disappointing" approach?

And should he model Trump's red tie for the photo op?

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That is not an answer. I was asking about your claim that that "the US is stockpiling weapons there for the impending war on China".

From my vantage point I would say the US is feverishly preparing for the possibility, maybe even likelihood of a conflict between the US and China over one of several possible flash points.

Look at what is being developed, a new ballistic missile with hypersonic glide vehicle on top to called Prompt Global Strike. A new hypersonic boost glide missile for the Air Force called AGM-183. Two new anti ship missiles, AGM-158C LRASM and the Joint Strike Missile. There is a new long range air to air missile, maybe two and the USAF has a new 6th fighter undergoing testing, the NGAD for Next Generation Air Dominance that is supposedly close to a production decision. The US Navy also has a new fighter in development to replace the F/A-18 series. And this is just what is in the public realm.

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Good examples, I wonder why you try to defend those actions. On January 26, 2021, the Biden Administration also withdrew the previous Trump Administration’s executive order making it mandatory for American education institutions to report to authorities on any contacts or contracts with the Confucius Institutes. So, open road again

A complete mischaracterization. There is no need to make universities report Confucian Institutes since the GAO already identified all of them on their own and reported in detail their ties to their hose universities. The results of the GAO report are not sinister as the right likes to impute. The Universities retain control of the research they conduct, protect the academic freedom of their researchers (university professors) and often host events on subjects the CCP finds offensive, especially the Dalai Lama, or Taiwan. You forget that not every Chinese American likes the CCP. Just ask my wife and she will tell you "Mao took everything". Another point is that the number of such institutes has fallen by half to 52 in recent years and more are going away. Too controversial now so they have lost support in the US.

The bit about WHO is perfectly laughable. The US walked away and handed leadership to the Chinese. Even still it is an international organization, not the property of the US. The US very much needs to be in the WHO, have American scientists on board and involved in their studies demonstrating American scientific leadership. Ever hear the old saying "keep your friends close and your enemies closer"? It's good advice. The Chinese can't pull any nonsense if American scientists are right there doing the research and involved in writing the results.

Cutting the funding to keep US scientists at China's CDC was also a bad move. Just when the US really needed it's own set of eyes in that organization as a pandemic of apparent Chinese origin was about to unfold, the US foolishly removes the funding and the people necessary to see what was really happening. It was a critical mistake on the part of the US and one the US will regret, along with not being in the WHO at that critical time.

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Wolfpack

There is no doubt that Biden is itching for war with China

War with the regime that made his family as well as his Big Tech supporters rich? In what universe? So far, Biden doing right by the CCP, as shown by the praise from the CCP that you can read in e.g. the Global TImes.

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Desert Tortoise

Examples please, and be specific. Before you waste our time on Confucian Institutes, there are only 52 and the GAO already accounted for all of them in a study they did (which you might want to read). And no, the US isn't letting Chinese companies run US power grids. Mr. Trumps prohibitions on buying Chinese made power control equipment remains in place while undergoing a 90 day review, most likely to see if the rules as written are even legally enforceable and need to be re-written.

Good examples, I wonder why you try to defend those actions. On January 26, 2021, the Biden Administration also withdrew the previous Trump Administration’s executive order making it mandatory for American education institutions to report to authorities on any contacts or contracts with the Confucius Institutes. So, open road again for the 52 and growing CCP propaganda institutes. And Trumps ban on Chinese power control equipment was "suspended". Afaic, "suspended" mean it is not in force anymore. Also, the US once again funds the CCP controlled WHO. So far, everything on the CCPs wish list, and you bet there is more to come. Keep your eyes on a renewed restrictions on arms sales to Taiwan. Maybe your Trump hat red clouds your perception a little?

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Cogito Ergo Sum

Timeline: U.S. arms sales to Taiwan in 2020 total $5 billion amid China tensions

This is one by Reuters.

That is not an answer. I was asking about your claim that that "the US is stockpiling weapons there for the impending war on China". US arms sales under Trump for the Taiwanese military (which desperately needs them, after being suppressed by several other administrations) is a different topic. Again, where is your reference for this "stockpiling for a war on China"?

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The question now is if Biden is man enough to stand up to the CCP. They are challenging him to see how he will react. Time for all of Biden’s dog faced pony soldiers to stand up and be counted. Balls in your court Joe.

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Wish it was so. The previous adminstration stood up against the the CCP, the current one started appeasement immediately. You think that there is such a thing as a consistent US policy; alas this is not the case.

Examples please, and be specific. Before you waste our time on Confucian Institutes, there are only 52 and the GAO already accounted for all of them in a study they did (which you might want to read). And no, the US isn't letting Chinese companies run US power grids. Mr. Trumps prohibitions on buying Chinese made power control equipment remains in place while undergoing a 90 day review, most likely to see if the rules as written are even legally enforceable and need to be re-written. Now that I have spare everyone from those two lies, what else to do you have to allege "appeasement"? Not anything I suspect. I did notice the US told the Chinese there could be no improvement in Sino-US ties until China restored relations with Australia. America standing up for its old and trusted ally Australia where Mr. Trumps first encounter with them was to berate their PM. What a refreshing change. If that is what you consider to be "appeasement" then let's have more.

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How can Biden be so stupid to not realize that love letters and photo ops are the way to solve this problem? It's a goddamn travesty.

Give us specific examples to back your claim. What I have seen is a public statement telling China to "knock it off" wrt Taiwan and the deployment of combat ships in the Taiwan Strait, including a carrier strike group that conducted air operations in the strait. What are these "love letters" you speak of? Be specific please.

Btw, none of us here know what goes on in private diplomatic exchanges and anyone here claiming they do is either a bald faced liar or seriously in violation of their clearance.

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I think USA needs to stop thinking about Taiwan so much and you know, start providing health care to the entire population. China is far from "perfect" or even "good" but USA makes its ISIS/Al Qaida lackeys look civilized and humane.

Just remember that while we were fighting you Germans and the Japanese in WWII Chiang Kai-shek was our ally in China desperately fighting the Japanese while Mao cowered in the north telling the Japanese where Chiang's Nationalist forces were to wear them down. Mao knew the USSR would eventually push the Japanese out so his by then well rested and Soviet equipped forces could mop up Chiang's war exhausted army. Even before the US formal entry into that war the US had pilots and aircraft providing Chiang's forces with air cover against the IJA (the famous Flying Tigers), The ROC, heir to Sun Yat-sen's revolution against the Qing is an old ally of America. The US is not going to abandon them. It is however disturbing to see a putative US ally from a nation whos current democratic traditions were at least in part the product of great expenditure of blood and treasure by the US in that same great and tragic war followed by the generosity of the Marshall Plan. Germany supposedly learned a hard lesson about the value of democracy coming out of WWII but it seems at least some Germans have forgotten that lesson. China today is behaving much like the Nazi's did before WWII, chipping away at other sovereign states seeing how far it could go without provoking retaliation. You know, Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia, then Poland. China is doing exactly the same thing today. If the free and democratic nations of the world which includes the Germans learned anything from WWII then they ought to know we have to push back early and hard against Chinese aggression.

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So, if you want a WAR, then you need to be prepared to take the preemptive strike that you know the other side will hit you with first

This is saying, if you want a war, you have to start a war, before the other side starts it.

You realize they can use the same logic, right? And that's exactly how wars start?

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The Aussies are in the biggest quandary ever ! Geographically in Asia and China's no1 trading partner. They are also the US's no1 ally, there US has NEVER been to any war that Aussies didn't take part in. Here they are caught on whether to choose a most vital Asian trading partner or go to war with it in tandem with its traditionally Western Allies. The Chinese investments down under are massive, so are the Exports to China. They'll soon have to make that call.

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So, if you want a WAR, then you need to be prepared to take the preemptive strike that you know the other side will hit you with first were you to attack them conventionally.

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Even in a hypothetical scenario where the leaders in Taipei declare independence during a PRC 'invasion' and recieve recognition by the US, the Americans would still need UN Security Council approval before taking any military action against China (which won't be given).

The US emphatically doesn't need any outside party's approval to come to the aid of Taiwan were China to invade.

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That assumes the political will to stand up against the CCP is there.

If Biden doesn't create a photo-op and start trading love letters with Xi soon, the right in America is going to freak right out about Biden's lack of a bipartisan response to China.

Can't he see reason? Does he not understand that the last president has identified the one and only way that the right will support dealing with dictators?

How can Biden be so stupid to not realize that love letters and photo ops are the way to solve this problem? It's a goddamn travesty.

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China is asserting itself and calling the shots. China and EU signed a major trade deal in December.

They agreed to invest $400 billion over 25 years in Iran in exchange for oil supply.

Toyota partners with 5 Chinese firms on fuel cells.

Despite the China feud, Australia iron ore exports to China and is expected to jump 31% to reach record highs. Australia's commodity-driven economy remains closely linked to its biggest export market, even amid a war of words over the origins of the coronavirus.

The no 1 and 2 economies of the world depend upon each other.

China and Taiwan are working on a high-speed rail link that’d connect the island with mainland. There is a plan to dig an 84 mile tunnel to complete a direct link to Taipei via their existing ground rail network. The above ground high speed rail lines on the China side already exist and opened December, 2020.

The Chinese and Japanese are more interested in money than war. There is a lot of prosperity. I don’t see war but just war mongering.

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That assumes the political will to stand up against the CCP is there.

There is zero reason to assume Biden doesn’t have the pilot I so will go stand up to the CCP.

Where do you get this "stockpiling weapons for a war on China" idea from? Any reference for that?

You expect others to provide references to you when you never provide any to support your assertions? Strange.

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What a nice large target without the multi-layer air defense of a US strike group.

China thinks they can push forever. They are about to see the limits of our patience.

Lets equip Taiwan with the best weapons the West had to offer at cost. F-35s, German diesel-electric subs, long - range anti-ship missiles, stand-off strike weapons that can hold the mainland at risk.

Then let’s conclude a defense agreement that codifies our commitment to Taiwan’s defense.

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The democracys of the world need to back Taiwan and make a stand against the great fascist Chinese bully. As soon as any Chinese ship or plane enters Taiwanese airspace or waters it should be given one warning to leave immediately. If the Chinese don't heed this warning they should be destroyed. Meanwhile, the West should stop buying Chinese and make things ourselves. Hit the bully in the pocket too.

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And th CCP is just saying 'Nyah nyah nyah-nyah nyah-nyaaaaaaahhhhhh....' once again. They just want to get people's dander up and Xi is peeved that Biden won't kiss his butt.

Nyah nyah nyah!

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The USA is Japans closest friend and ally. Fact. The US military are in Japan, prepared 24/7 to lay down their lives for Japanese citizens and shared love of freedom. 

The CCP have built up their military with the help of billions of tonnes of raw material from you Aussies.

Never hear a peep out of you on this.

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To those who imagine America going to war with China over what would legally be China 'invading' China, how do you imagine that happening?

Boots on the ground? (From where, given despite the massive number of uniforms being paid for, the US is chronically understrength in its present deployments)

Air cover? (Yes, the US has a shockingly large number of fighter aircraft and bombers, but between the slow rate of actually building over budget new ones, and the 'hangar queen' status of many of its models, keeping enough planes to be an actual deterrent in the air over Taiwan 24/7 for a week would exhaust the number of airworthy planes the US has, and a month would see mechanical breakdowns leaving American troops in Afghanistan etc unprotected and unsupplied)

Navy? (You might want to check what the American warships in the Persian Gulf do when it looks like the American cold war with Iran could turn hot. And Iran's military budget is barely visible on a graph that includes the US and Chinese ones)

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China is flexing that's for sure. Trying to intimidate Taiwan, but they won't attack anytime soon.... Why?

Not strong enough.

Not enough allies.

Not a navy power, maybe a land power in the future.

Covid19=Massive hate against China. People and countries already upset. Anything that China does if aggressive, will mean maximum pressure and backlash against the CCP.

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Pull the plug (economy, manufacturing) on the jug (china)

move it esle where, screw the CCP and sink their new and powerful fleet of glorified fishing boats

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Personally, I believe in my heart of hearts that neither China nor Japan wants a war. If they did they'd have had one a long time ago. What they want is trade and prosper, but by the sheer curve-ball of history it's almost a must, save for a miracle, have one.

And see, the biggest beef here is about the south CHINA sea, not the Gulf of Mexico. The Senkaku/ Diaoyu is, I believe, something workable but compounded with other issues it all becomes an intractable complicated hydra.

It's peace we should all sue for, if we must fight, let's do so only when we can't reason. Can't we reason ?

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Nothing good will come of this.

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Will China be the reason for the World War?

As the world is aware how keen and aggressive China is coming up in South China Sea now. And how it is deploying its military along with the warships in it let me highlight nuclear powered warship. Its time for every country to join together in order to stop the web which China is spreading just to expand its boundaries.

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@ Paul please explain yourself. This is nothing but pro Chinese propaganda I am sure you are getting paid to post this nonsense.

Japan needs to kick all US forces out of Japan and break off all military relations with USA. All they do is rape, steal, contaminate the environment and more recently, spread disease.

Then act as a broker to try to secure peace between Taiwan and the mainland China. It isn't in Japan's, China's or Taiwan's interests to see China and Taiwan fight. USA on the hand is desperate to stop China further eclipsing it economically, financially, technologically and very soon of not already, militarily.

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Paul -

Japan needs to kick all US forces out of Japan and break off all military relations with USA. All they do is rape, steal, contaminate the environment and more recently, spread disease.

Then act as a broker to try to secure peace between Taiwan and the mainland China.

The USA is Japans closest friend and ally. Fact. The US military are in Japan, prepared 24/7 to lay down their lives for Japanese citizens and shared love of freedom.

Japan has NO responsibility to help secure peace between rogue nation Communist China and Taiwan. It is a pointless exercise when the Commies regard Taiwan as their own territory.

Japans responsibility is to defend her interests, and prepare to go toe-to-toe with China if necessary.

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@lostrune2

As long as they stay in international waters, and not violate Taiwan's waters and airspace

That is part of the issue

 incursion by China's air force into the island's air defense identification zone on Monday.

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Or liberate that province from the under the jackboot of a ruthless, murderous, rapidly declining foreign power.

I would not call Taiwan a foreign power but it is independent. Not murderous like the CCP is nor is it ruthless.

Taiwan is free and independent and makes its own choices based on self interest. Some expect them to give up their freedom of choice for a no choice future as subjects of the CCP whether they like it or not.

Japan needs to kick all US forces out of Japan and break off all military relations with USA. All they do is rape, steal, contaminate the environment and more recently, spread disease.

Spoken like a true Chinese communist party member. Get the US out so China can move in. I dont think so.

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@ Zaphod

> Timeline: U.S. arms sales to Taiwan in 2020 total $5 billion amid China tensions

This is one by Reuters.

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As long as they stay in international waters, and not violate Taiwan's waters and airspace

US and other nations are allowed there too, so they shouldn't complain

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@HimariYamada

You may be unaware Japan already has a strong military disguised as A self defence force which is 1% of the population so about 1.2 million personal.

I will try to answer your questions:

How will Japan send troops to Taiwan

They could use any number of the 60+ troop transporter aircraft they currently have and/or some of the landing craft they have.

Does Japan have aircraft carriers?

Currently no but several have been ordered. Considering how close Taiwan is from Japan you could say that there is a massive one nearby.

Does Japan have amphibious assault ships?

Yes there are 3 or 4 of them.

Does Japan have a peace constitution?

Yes Japan does it says that

Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes.

In order to accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained. The right of belligerency of the state will not be recognized.

Which does not prevent Japan from retaining a force for self defence or for use in the defence of an ally.

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Cogito Ergo Sum

@ Zaphod

Please Google.

That is not an answer. Show where you found this claim of weapons depots for a "war against China".

Taiwan can't fight China alone.

The US militarily backs Taiwan. Were China Not aggressive enough the US would have a base in Taiwan.

Wish it was so. The previous adminstration stood up against the the CCP, the current one started appeasement immediately. You think that there is such a thing as a consistent US policy; alas this is not the case.

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China true power is the desire rest of the world has to trade with them.

The power to stop this movement is in our individual hands, we must take up the challenge and stop buying their cheap wares so our governments can afford to stop trading with them.

The clock is ticking.

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Start sub drills and practice stalking LPAN task forces.

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@1Glen

The Qing dynasty also paid Japan quite some amount of cash in Kunming Silver Taels as compensation when a Japanese boat ran aground..where ? In Taiwan and the headhunter tribe slaughtered some Japanese (12 pax?) In 1871 . I agree with you on the Formosa name by the Portuguese. The Qing also did tell the Japanese that NOT all people in Taiwan were under its rule, referring to the indeginous tribes.

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The Qing was not administeri g some place in Europe, Middle East or the Americas. It's one of the many successive administrations cascading through the arc of time on what's today China.

@1Glen

The first time any mainland Chinese claimed to rule over parts of Taiwan was in 1662. Before that it was claimed

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Drip drip drip. World will get used to ever greater intrusions by China, not just near Taiwan but all over Asia. Long game.

Yes, and they have played the long game pretty well up to now. Hong Kong went without nothing much more than a whimper from the outside.

The CCP are scumbags but they are far from stupid.

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Cogito Ergo SumToday  06:23 pm JST

In Truth Taiwan is a province of China hence China ceded it to Japanese colonization in the treaty of Shimonoseki in 1895. The Japanese GOT Taiwan from the Chinese..that's historical.

In truth Taiwan was ceded to Japan by the Qing Dynasty which no longer exists. The CCP has never controlled Taiwan.

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America should drop in three carrier groups then take out Shanghai.

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Xi is escalating the threats against Taiwan.

The first time any mainland Chinese claimed to rule over parts of Taiwan was in 1662. Before that it was claimed by the Dutch and Spanish. For most of the history of China, Formosa was not claimed by China, and did not have any Chinese settlers.

9 ( +11 / -2 )

"Well argued. Japan needs to state, loud and clear, that she stands as one with Taiwan and will send troops to protect her if anything kicks off."

May I ask you a question? How will Japan send troops to Taiwan? Do you plan to fly them on JAL or ANA? Do you understand that Japan does not have the Military strength to defend Taiwan? Does Japan have bombers? Does Japan have aircraft carriers? Does Japan have amphibious assault ships? Does Japan have a peace constitution?

Before we defend Taiwan, we better get all of the above and drop the last one. Then, we can defend Taiwan and take the fight to the Chinese mainland.

If you want to defend Taiwan. Then support getting rid of article 9 and building a Kick butt military.

-6 ( +3 / -9 )

is if the United States refuses to abide by the UN Charter and ignores international law,..again.

Even then, they'd have to use WBDs (again) to not be given a blood-letting. I'm sure China fears they are just about murderous and desperate enough to do just that.

-9 ( +3 / -12 )

The Japanese GOT Taiwan from the Chinese..that's historical.

Just like old times? Some people never learn.

-11 ( +3 / -14 )

China wants to conquer the free people of Taiwan and subjugate them to communist party rule.

Or liberate that province from the under the jackboot of a ruthless, murderous, rapidly declining foreign power.

-15 ( +2 / -17 )

Japan needs to kick all US forces out of Japan and break off all military relations with USA. All they do is rape, steal, contaminate the environment and more recently, spread disease.

Then act as a broker to try to secure peace between Taiwan and the mainland China. It isn't in Japan's, China's or Taiwan's interests to see China and Taiwan fight. USA on the hand is desperate to stop China further eclipsing it economically, financially, technologically and very soon of not already, militarily.

-15 ( +2 / -17 )

In Truth Taiwan is a province of China

In truth Taiwan used to be a province of China until the revolution after which it became indepenently run from the regime in mainland China. Independent in government, in military in taxes in fact. China wants to conquer the free people of Taiwan and subjugate them to communist party rule.

8 ( +12 / -4 )

Back in the '70s I had a Taiwanese friend who used to say, in reference to China's threats over forced reunification, "A barking dog never bites." Well, he was right for 40 years, but time passes and things change. Taiwanese see China reneging on its pact with Britain over Hong Kong and surely don't feel reassured. And by the way, Taiwanese made huge contributions and investments toward the modernization of China's industry and trade. Jeez, you'd think they could come to some sort of modus vivendi and learn to coexist. But Big Brother Xi needs to show his countrymen how tough and ruthless he can be. This does not bode well for Taiwan's future.

11 ( +12 / -1 )

@ Zaphod

Please Google.

Taiwan can't fight China alone.

The US militarily backs Taiwan. Were China Not aggressive enough the US would have a base in Taiwan.

Even now, China is just doing assymetrical war of attrition on Taiwan and hopes to win without a kinetic war. In Truth Taiwan is a province of China hence China ceded it to Japanese colonization in the treaty of Shimonoseki in 1895. The Japanese GOT Taiwan from the Chinese..that's historical.

-10 ( +2 / -12 )

The overwhelming majority of UN members recognise the PRC as the legitimate government of China and Taiwan as part of China.

Incorrect. The majority of UN members were coerced by China into signing an agreement on "one China" in order to do any business with or in mainland China. Nations abandoned diplomatic relations with Taiwan to access the Chinese market, not because they believe or agree that Taiwan belongs to China. Most in fact understand that Taiwan is an independent nation and has been since 1949. CCP China has never ruled Taiwan in its entire history so it has no claim on the tiny independent nation of Taiwan. Anything signed or given lip service to is simply to make money in China, nothing more. China fools only itself to believe that anything agreed under coercion is legal or right or enforceable.

10 ( +13 / -3 )

Drip drip drip. World will get used to ever greater intrusions by China, not just near Taiwan but all over Asia. Long game.

6 ( +10 / -4 )

China is trying to bully the independent country of Taiwan. Sorry guys, won't work.

10 ( +13 / -3 )

Cogito Ergo Som

China will try to move very fast to annex Taipei, it's a strategic move, having realised that the US is stockpiling weapons there for the impending war on China. 

Where do you get this "stockpiling weapons for a war on China" idea from? Any reference for that?

In the event, I do not believe the CCP will move "very fast". That is not their way. They will steadily and gradually, working up to a blockade of Taiwan that the West will not have the guts to break.

-1 ( +5 / -6 )

Dangerous but militarily in strategic terms it's smart. Keep your opponent unbalanced about when the lethal blow is coming. You know when you're going to strike, but your opponent doesn't. Taiwan will be kept off balance by such exercises and will get stressed out. Kind of like with terrorists in that they know when and where they are going to strike but you don't, so the target has to always keep a watchful eye on the threat. Also, China can test Taiwan's response times and with what they respond with as the Chinese navy creeps closer and closer.

Pretty damn scary.

7 ( +8 / -1 )

Unfortunately Taiwan doesn't have a leg to stand on. The overwhelming majority of UN members recognise the PRC as the legitimate government of China and Taiwan as part of China. Like it or not, the PRC have every right to take possession of their own territory. The fact that they've excercised restraint for over 70 years is extraordinary.

This is factual. When the US wanted a way out of the Vietnam, they sought the Chinese help via Henry Kissinger. The Chinese via En lai wanted ONLY one thing in return- The recognition of the one China policy. This came to pass when R. Nixon met Ze Dong in 1972. The US reneged on this principle during the Reagan admin ( ?). Still, Taiwan ( ROC)has its substantive rulers, but since they think themselves as the real deal, they also rule China ( PRC) by illusion.

China will try to move very fast to annex Taipei, it's a strategic move, having realised that the US is stockpiling weapons there for the impending war on China. We all are under no illusion that Taiwan on its own can't fight China. The US intends to use Taiwan as a foothold/ forward base for the war.

There should be no war. There's enough in the world for everybody...if we choose to walk barefeet like toddlers.

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

Yes... and Syria and Iran and Yemen and many others. The US is the most persistent violator of international law in the 20th and 21st centuries. Do you want that to continue with an illegal war on China?

No, which is why I didn't say that. What I'm saying is that you are incredibly naive if you think the US would consider letting the UN Security Council get in the way of military interventions it wants to make.

13 ( +14 / -1 )

They call the Liaoning an aircraft carrier???

Do the Chicoms have any real experience with operating a carrier battle group?

LOL

6 ( +10 / -4 )

China is a militant dictatorship. Only by showing them that there will be too high a cost to take Taiwan by force will they back down. The US is capable of putting more carriers in the Taiwan straits than the Chinese PLA Navy have. The Quad and all allied nations should indeed be carrying out "routine" excercises off Taiwan together with Taiwan's military.

7 ( +14 / -7 )

When was the last time the UN did anything other than being a mouthpiece for the CCP?

7 ( +9 / -2 )

Pretty soon, if they keep this up the CCP will be admiring their new and powerful carriers from the comfort of glass bottomed boats, thats going to be the only way they will be able to see them.

11 ( +15 / -4 )

The Avenger

Taiwan is our ally and Never let China to take it.

That assumes the political will to stand up against the CCP is there.

0 ( +6 / -6 )

This news will surprise the government of Iraq.

Yes... and Syria and Iran and Yemen and many others. The US is the most persistent violator of international law in the 20th and 21st centuries. Do you want that to continue with an illegal war on China?

-11 ( +3 / -14 )

China says carrier group drills near Taiwan will become regular

No surprise. Beijing knows they can win. Because without outside help, Taiwan can only survive so long. They will escalate continuously, until we see a naval blockade of Taiwan.

-10 ( +2 / -12 )

Even in a hypothetical scenario where the leaders in Taipei declare independence during a PRC 'invasion' and recieve recognition by the US, the Americans would still need UN Security Council approval before taking any military action against China (which won't be given).

This news will surprise the government of Iraq.

7 ( +9 / -2 )

Unfortunately Taiwan doesn't have a leg to stand on. The overwhelming majority of UN members recognise the PRC as the legitimate government of China and Taiwan as part of China. Like it or not, the PRC have every right to take possession of their own territory. The fact that they've excercised restraint for over 70 years is extraordinary.

Even in a hypothetical scenario where the leaders in Taipei declare independence during a PRC 'invasion' and recieve recognition by the US, the Americans would still need UN Security Council approval before taking any military action against China (which won't be given).

The only way Taiwan would survive a PRC 'invasion' is if the United States refuses to abide by the UN Charter and ignores international law,..again.

-14 ( +8 / -22 )

Taiwan is our ally and Never let China to take it.

Well argued. Japan needs to state, loud and clear, that she stands as one with Taiwan and will send troops to protect her if anything kicks off.

7 ( +13 / -6 )

Outrageous behaviour from Communist China. You can NEVER trust the PRC.

Disgusting they are making this statement days after the tragedy in Taiwan. The world needs to stand up to this bully and tell them enough is enough. No more drills near Taiwan, or QUAD will deal with them.

8 ( +14 / -6 )

Perhaps the US should start regularly conducting carrier group drills near Taiwan. Get Australia and Japan to join in the fun.

7 ( +12 / -5 )

China is not only a significant military force, but also the major player in world economics. 

That's what the Nazis thought about Germany till they were destroyed.

China is relying on the other nations' desire not to start wars.

But like every bully China will comes to its knees when given that slap to the face.

10 ( +14 / -4 )

Time for the US and Quad to do military exercises and invite Taiwan to participate. Some of the exercises should be held around Taiwan as well as in territory of Quad members. Sending a message back to China that nobody is intimidated and anyone can sail in international waters for military exercises.

Also invite Taiwan ships, planes and troops to the next RIMPAC. China has participated in RIMPAC before but may not be invited while showing territory expansionist tendencies.

11 ( +15 / -4 )

The thing is that at some point China could blockade Taiwan the way the Israeli regime blockades Palestine, and point to that, something that the US declares to be fully legal and moral, as the example it is following.

Yes, the US etc will get all sanctimonious, but what else is new. It has spent the last few decades establishing that we do live in a rules based world, one where the biggest player gets to determine WHICH set of rules are most important whenever it wants, and I get the feeling that the China's going to greet American sanctimony with a contemptuous 'but you said this WAS the legal and moral thing when you did it'

-8 ( +7 / -15 )

Chicom = Chinese communist.

Satisfied? LOL

5 ( +13 / -8 )

Unfortunately, China has been talking the talk, and is now being forced to walk the walk, and here they are caught in the ratchet trap. (Rather like the military in Myanmar.) A common trap, but easy to fall into, and very difficult to get out of without losing face.

The military wants to flex its muscles, and the politicians who control the press want to give the populace a spectacle, and they all think the public expects another forward bravado step.

It's just like something out of the history of Three Kingdoms. Who is in control, though, subconscious history (again!) or the people?

0 ( +4 / -4 )

Never trust the Chicoms.

What is a Chicom? Is this a derograty term?

China needs a good slap side the head

Yes, that should fix it. In the diplomatic corp by any chance?

China is a gnat

Yes of course they are. Which is why the rest of the world are lining up to individually give them a slap to the side of the head. Worked with Stalin and Hitler after all. Just early intervention and a short flat hand to the head should do it.

It concerns me that some people who post actually think things are so simple. China is not only a significant military force, but also the major player in world economics. Slap away, but be warned the Chinese are not likely to turn the other cheek.

-8 ( +11 / -19 )

It was just a question of time...

8 ( +9 / -1 )

Taiwan is our ally and Never let China to take it.

11 ( +17 / -6 )

@sf2k

"China needs a good slap side the head"

Outside is America.

0 ( +4 / -4 )

China says carrier group drills near Taiwan will become regular

Thank you PRO- China!

The more regular it becomes the easier it will enable Taiwan , Japan and the USA to detect the Achilles Heel of the PLAN and then devise a da-kine precise plan to defeat it!

6 ( +10 / -4 )

China is a gnat. This is all for internal show. Those foreign businessmen relocating to more welcoming climates should make this clear as they depart.

9 ( +13 / -4 )

The land of free and proud and brave needs a touch and combative leader with spine.

4 ( +11 / -7 )

China needs a good slap side the head

16 ( +22 / -6 )

Here we go....

19 ( +20 / -1 )

I hope Taiwan has nukes.

7 ( +17 / -10 )

Never trust the Chicoms.

11 ( +20 / -9 )

A thin slice at a time is how the Chicoms work.

14 ( +22 / -8 )

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