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© (c) Copyright Thomson Reuters 2019.Democrats meet to draft impeachment charges against Trump
By Amanda Becker WASHINGTON©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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Slickdrifter
Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky did say in a crucial July 2019 phone call that he and Donald Trump did not have a "quid pro quo" discussion about Ukraine providing dirt on one of Trump's political enemies in exchange for military aid. Since that is one of the principle allegations against Trump in an impeachment inquiry against him, Zelenksy's remarks would tend to exculpate the U.S. president.
Sister Pelosi & Shifty Schiff and the gang have nothing.
After hearing the charges, the Senate usually deliberates in private. The Constitution requires a two-thirds super majority to convict a person being impeached. The Senate enters judgment on its decision, whether that be to convict or acquit, and a copy of the judgment is filed with the Secretary of State.
In the event the President is removed from office and power. It means the Vice President too. Guess who is in line as the acting President of the United States in the line of succession? Speaker of the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi.
Senate Republicans hold 53 seats, and removal requires two-thirds of senators voting, or 67 votes to convict if all 100 senators vote.
If all 45 Democrats and the two independents vote to convict, 20 Republicans would have to switch sides to vote against the president. Is that possible? Its never going to happen.
Then what do we have left to work with? To date the Democrats have not spent 40 million as earlier reported. But the real figure is the neighborhood of 32 million and some change. I knew as Republican what Trump was. Knew what he was going to do. He is what he is. But to say he has committed high treason. This word this treason or treasonous is being thrown around to lightly. Yes Trump does questionable things. Cross's the line. He is a habitual line stepper. When this is all over the President will remain in office and the Democrats are left with lack luster candidates. Biden is off the rails and looking to fist fight. That video of him though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbEJpr4A9mQ
I honestly think Hunter Biden didn't do anything wrong. He was given privilege as the Vice Presidents son at the time. I also find it very interesting that Barack Obama has not endorsed his former running mate and Vice President. Guess the two have not had cheese burger together in a while. Also Barack and Michelle Obama Just Paid $11.75 Million for a Martha's Vineyard Vacation Home. The Obama's after years of rumors about the former president and first lady scooping up a permanent residence on Martha's Vineyard, Barack and Michelle Obama finally closed on a lavish, 29-acre compound. Almost 12 big ones. Where did the money come from? No mortgage as well.
Trump will stay in office. The Senate wont let it happen. Impeachment. No way.
arrestpaul
Which ones? All of the leaders who have repeatedly refused to pay their pledged commitments to support NATO? Nobody forced those countries to pledge 2 percent. They have no problem letting the U.S.A. pay for Europe's defense. Let's talk about Trump behind his back, because that's what these leaders are best at.
arrestpaul
And don't forget that the current batch of Democrat candidates haven't really begun to carve each other into little pieces, yet. It's going to be a very amusing year.
u_s__reamer
If impeachment fails to oust Benedict Donald because of the refusal of the Republican Senate to do its sworn duty, then the Dems will soon have another opportunity from the grifter that keeps giving. After his demented antics at the Nato celebrations, serious thought should be given to committing Trump to an institution for a psychiatric evaluation and then invoking the 25th Amendment for a twofer (Trump AND Pence). President Pelosi sounds fine until November 2020 comes around.
arrestpaul
I especially like the part were they all said that they had no first hand knowledge of anything. They all admitted that their testimony was simply their opinions. Not an ounce of hard evidence between them.
SuperLib
The diplomats laid it out pretty well. Trump first, America second. What citizen would want a President who does that?
bass4funk
Yes, Let’s! The Dems really have absolutely nothing and slowly their paying for it and I’m giddy about it. Serves them right, especially the Dems that won in key battleground States where Trump one. It’s going to be a fruitful Christmas for Trump. Let’s see if Dems can get their act together by 2024. It will give the party time of reflection and giving up their evil wicked ways.
Jimizo
I remember the days when the right complained about piling on debt which would bankrupt the country and leave future generations on the hook.
Now it seems piling on debt is okay if money is spent on the ‘right’ things.
The only thing I’m confused about is what happened to bankrupting the country and leaving the younger generation on the hook. Is it like climate change where it’s a case of who cares I won’t be here anyway?
bass4funk
Why, he does a very good job at defending himself against the entire Washington establishment.
No, because the crappy Democrats would still find someway to find him guilty on something, no one is stupid to think if Trump complied and did everything the Dems want they would then be receptive to this President and receive him with open arms, that would never happen. so why even entertain the thought?
Yaaaawn, he’s been guilty ever since he came down the Trump Tower escalator and announced his run for the Presidency.
Then by your...lol...logic, the Senate will convict and remove him. Good luck with that.
Chip Star
Agreed. Good thing not a single candidate is running on this platform. I’m not even sure where you got the idea any of them were.
Good thing that’s not for what the dems are impeaching or you’d have a point.
Wow. Handling those “arguments” was so mentally taxing, I think I need a nap.
Chip Star
Then why are you constantly screeching in his defense?
arrestpaul
LOL. It's the Democrats who have been begging for this ever since they finally realized that they had been lying to each other about Hillary's inevitable move into the Whitehouse. "Our feelings have been hurt, and someone must pay for that", is not a good election strategy. "Trump keeps counter-punching our personal attacks against him", isn't a good reason for impeachment. Elected Democrats will actually have to provide evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors. Producing three "scholars" who hate Trump didn't convince the public. That stunt actually backfired on elected Democrats.
lincolnman
They just can't answer them - which means they can't defend their President....
Three questions - all easy answers - six days and no answers...
They don't know if Rudy was being directed by Trump, and they can't explain why he won't allow release of documents or allow his closest associates to testify - all which could prove he is innocent...
So we're left to conclude it's because he isn't innocent and those documents and associates would prove his guilt.
Thanks Trumpers, your lack of answers help prove your President is complicit in all the charges against him...
arrestpaul
Elected Democrats met behind closed doors to discuss the soon-to-be-released DOJ report outlining the corruption, and collusion, of Democrats, and Hillary-worshippers, regarding their three years of repeated attacks against the Trump administration for beating Hillary.
Elected Democrats also met behind closed doors to discuss the lack of support among the voters for the Democrats latest hobbies, impeachment, and replacing Trump with Pelosi.
Elected Democrats also discussed how to present their utter lack of actual evidence for impeachment in a way that would cause Republicans, and independents, to actually care about the Democrat's hatred, and whining.
bass4funk
So you do admit the Dems are out on a limb when it comes to this BS farce. Why doesn’t Nadler heed his own words or Nancy? Why do they want to destroy their own party?
https://youtu.be/Rkcz9pSikmY
Junk food? Spinach?? Ok.....
He doesn’t need it, the Democrats are in a sense helping his defense.
bass4funk
I never said.
More like things we need out of necessity, I’m not against entitlements per say, but the giant expansion and cradle to grave entitlements I’m against.
Pukey2
He may not get impeached in the end, but I'm sure enjoying watching the man-child sweat and have a near heart attack everyday.
I'm also glad everyone now knows why Nunes always look nervous, especially these past few weeks. Another one right in the thick of it. Just like Murder on the Orient Express - they're all in on it.
By the way, I'm on the cow's side.
Strangerland
The only president to ever create a $20 trillion debt is a Republican Trump. And he'll bring it to $30 million if he gets a second term - you know, that extreme number you just fantasized that Sanders or Warren would create. Your guy actually IS creating that debt.
lincolnman
Another dodge...
Another more blatant dodge...
And it's strike three....
Come on guys - put down the junk food and answer the questions - stop running away from them.
Can't you defend your President?
SuperLib
So you're not against deficit spending, you just support it for things you like and don't support it for things you don't like. But you're not against the concept of deficit spending.
bass4funk
No, I did not, not in that manner. As bad as Obama was, he was a progressive, but he wasn’t a full on Warren, Sanders socialist.
I don’t know about you, but I do like to live in a sovereign nation with a wall and I do love a modern and updated military and by the way, if the Democrats make the same lame argument you are making regarding the economy, they will lose so badly, because Wall st. and the consumers see it differently and are happy, the Dems can’t beat that, there is no way they can beat Trump on this issue.
Serrano
While you're answering questions after dodging them for 6 days....
*Why doesn't Donnie turn over all the documents, records, and tapes **from the State Dept that would show he was not involved in the shakedown Rudy was running?*
*Why doesn't he allow Pence, Pompeo, Perry, and Mulvaney** to testify so they could prove he wasn't "in the loop" as Sondland testified?*
He doesn't have to waste time in the Democrat-run circus.
*Was Rudy operating under Trump's direction** in Ukraine or was he freelancing? Is Rudy operating under Trump's direction now on his current trip to Ukraine?*
Rudy's going to make a report soon. IG report's coming out soon too.
Oh my! I got my popcorn and Junior Mints ready!
bass4funk
Why can’t call the Republicans call on Schiff or Biden or even the whistleblower to come testify?
Why Trump can’t Trump meet his accuser face to face? Why do the Democrats have closed hearings?
What is the actual crime that the Dems want to throw at the President? Obstruction, quid pro quo, extortion, bribery? They’re all over the place and why are they moving so fast and not taking their time in order to get Bolton or Mulvaney? Why the rush to impeach?
lincolnman
Can anyone else translate that?
While you're answering questions after dodging them for 6 days....
Why doesn't Donnie turn over all the documents, records, and tapes from the State Dept that would show he was not involved in the shakedown Rudy was running?
Why doesn't he allow Pence, Pompeo, Perry, and Mulvaney to testify so they could prove he wasn't "in the loop" as Sondland testified?
Was Rudy operating under Trump's direction in Ukraine or was he freelancing? Is Rudy operating under Trump's direction now on his current trip to Ukraine?
Serrano
President Trump abused his power, betrayed our national security, and corrupted our elections, all for personal gain," Nadler said
Does he have anything to back up these ridiculous accusations? I'll be waiting.
This question is not worth answering
Facepalm.
I'm still waiting. Facts, please. Not just your opinion.
Here's four facts that will never change:
We’ve got the transcript. There was no linkage of an investigation through security assistance money.
We’ve got the two guys on the call — President Trump and President Zelensky — who have both said there was no pressure, no pushing.
We have the fact that Ukraine didn’t know that the aid was held at the time of the call.
President Zelensky didn’t announce, didn’t start, didn’t promise he was going to start any investigation to get the aid released.
bass4funk
Yup! They’re just as dumb as the GOP was in 1998 impeaching Clinton, that equally turned out disastrous for them.
u_s__reamer
Dems, when preparing the menu for impeachment, don't forget the "hors- d'oeuvres", the egregious obstruction of justice by Trump, Pence, Pompeo, Giuliani, Mulvaney, the "Walrus", Barr et al., and the "dessert", those sweet Trump-sized emoluments, without either of which the course of impeachment would be incomplete, lacking that "je ne sais quoi".
bass4funk
https://youtu.be/lWxBOfmba94
For once I agree with Nadler, Trump should definitely fight this.
“Us” pheeew...”us the US,” thought he said, “ME” personally...feel much better, so once again the Dems have nothing, but they want to continue this charade, good.
lincolnman
BINGO!
You know, the phone call where he said "I'd like you to do us a favor though" and after discussing the Biden investigation, said "I'll have Rudy call you" - while telling Bill O'Reilly last month that "I never directed Rudy"....
"Pervert" being the operative word - in more ways than one...
bass4funk
Uh-oh....
https://kutv.com/news/connect-to-congress/strong-jobs-report-could-complicate-democrats-economic-case-against-trump
I'm so tired of all this winning, I wanna throw up!
Chip Star
This question is not worth answering, but is worth reposting so we can all enjoy the willful ignorance it demonstrates.
Serrano
In the meantime...
Nov. jobs report
266K new jobs
54K manufacturing jobs ( Obama: "These jobs just aren't coming back" )
3.5% unemployment ( lowest since 1960s )
3.1% wage growth
Yeah, let's impeach the MF! ( Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib's T-shirts ) and stop all this nonsense!
bass4funk
Yippie!
No, but since you have only Democrats partying in this farce and NOT having a single Republican and the speed that it’s going along with this making it exactly clear what the Dems motives are.
Uhhh, about that....
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/471723-independents-souring-on-impeachment-underscores-risk-for-democrats
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/5/democrats-trump-impeachment-could-cost-them-2020-e/
Lol, good luck Dems, keep on this and don’t let up!
https://time.com/5744415/trump-campaign-impeachment-facebook-advantage/
SuperLib
Oh, and Nunes is going to enter bizarro world sometime in the near future. Even moreso.
Serrano
Drumpf is really going down this time! Haha
"President Trump abused his power, betrayed our national security, and corrupted our elections, all for personal gain," Nadler said
Does he have anything to back up these ridiculous accusations? I'll be waiting.
Democrats slowly roasting themselves.
They continue to dig themselves a deeper hole. Public opinion, especially among independents is turning against impeachment. They're doing everything they can to ensure Trump gets another 5 years.
proxy
Democrats slowly roasting themselves.
takeda.shingen.1991@gmail.com
Don't worry, Congress will impeach. There's nothing in the Constitution that says all political parties agree. Try not losing elections next time, yeah.
Strangerland
They should do what they're doing, not what they're not!
Seems legit. Carry on.
Strangerland
The Hillary Haters only have one of thought. "Pantsuit woman bad". They hate her, and every single action of theirs since 2017 has been a result of that single minded hatred. There is nothing else. They have no other motivations. They only hate Hillary, so they are trying to burn down the country.
PTownsend
But given the support Trump has from his fellow Republicans, and the financial support they're getting from the globe's elite (so called), and from global right wing media, the global establishment backing Trump could have enough power to protect him. After all, laws are for peasants. Har har
Chip Star
Donny has himself to thank for this; it has zero to do with a “Deep State” or the dems trying to get revenge for losing in 2016. Of course, that won’t stop the moron crew (credit to Stranger) from trying to do claim.
Strangerland
With his incompetence, impeachment was an inevitability. He does so many impeachable things, it was just a matter of trying to pin one down, since he's already on to the next impeachable offense after he finishes one.
SuperLib
When you elect a documented scam artist it's not really shocking that an impeachment might happen.