Farage offers Johnson an electoral pact for no-deal Brexit

Farage said a clean break on Oct 31 was the most popular option among voters but he questioned whether Johnson could be trusted on Brexit.

Lol! Never trust a toff or a spiv.

Both men are charlatans and only out for themselves. Farage is a pound shop Powell, desperate to be in the public eye and Johnson is a serial liar. Ask him about the pork pies again!

Farage isn't an MP. The Brexit Party has no MPs.

Farage isn't an MP. The Brexit Party has no MPs.

Do they have any policies yet?

LudditeToday 10:33 am JST

Farage isn't an MP. The Brexit Party has no MPs.

The Brexit Party isn't a party. It's registered as a business and Farage is the owner. Members pay a minimum of 25 quid to join and that money goes straight into his pocket. It's a scam to part the gullible from their money, just like Brexit itself.

The whole pork pie situation was odd. As usual, I am not interested in defending Boris, but I think it's important not to go round spreading fibs.

Boris was accused of lying because he said that Melton Mowbray, a company which produces pork pies, could not export to the US, even though they export to Thailand and Iceland. According to Boris this was because of red tape. For whatever reason, a spokesman for Melton Mowbray stated that they don't export to Iceland or Thailand and that Boris wasn't telling the truth. So, as last time, media outrage.

Soon after, detail emerge that the spokesman (for whatever reason) had been quite dishonest himself. Number 10 published information which proved Boris was telling the truth. The media were not interested in publishing these details though.

You may be wondering, why would the spokesman for Melton Mowbray blatantly lie? Turns out he is long term Labour member and an ex-parliamentary candidate. Oh, and he is an extremely vocal anti-Brexit campaigner on social media.

https://order-order.com/2019/08/27/boriss-pork-pie-accuser-former-labour-candidate/

Soon after, detail emerge that the spokesman (for whatever reason) had been quite dishonest himself. Number 10 published information which proved Boris was telling the truth. The media were not interested in publishing these details though.

Could you provide a link to this "evidence" that No. 10 produced (and not just a statement that they produced "evidence")? The only articles I can find, e.g. this one https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49470831 state that the company in question refuted the "evidence".

It appears that Johnson was indeed lying (as usual).

https://twitter.com/MediaGuido/status/1165990200272723968

I thought the Brexit Party essentially "won" the elections for the European Parliament.  and my guess is that they would win quite a few seats if an election was called now and they ran on an absolute guarantee to leave the EU.

BJ should call an election early October and damn the torpedoes.

I thought the Brexit Party essentially "won" the elections for the European Parliament. and my guess is that they would win quite a few seats if an election was called now and they ran on an absolute guarantee to leave the EU.

European Parliamentary elections have been used before as protest votes.

What does ‘quite a few’ mean? The electoral system in the UK would make it very difficult for the Brexit Party to win seats in a general election. Farage himself, essentially a one-man show with UKIP and the Brexit Party, couldn’t win a seat in constituencies chosen as the most receptive to his ideas.

Plus, he needs policies.

Boris Johnson and his sinister pork pies. Remember £350 million a week for the NHS?

We send £350 million to the EU every week. Let's fund our NHS instead."

I can see "Let's", which means "Let us". I cannot see the words "We promise to" or "We will".

Hair-splitting. You know what they were trying to do.

‘Let’s do something’ shows intent to do something. It was written to deliberately mislead.

And yet, the expressions "We are going to" or "We will" were not used, so I am afraid you cannot say they made a promise.

They inferred, or showed what possibilites there were, but no more than that.

So it's normal for politicians to lie and not deliver

Bingo! Unfortunately, that's the world we live in.

But I wouldn't use the "Let's spend it on our NHS instead" quote. You can dislike it, but it wasn't a lie.

You could use Boris' own record against him. He says that he is the right man for the job and that he thought the WA was awful. If so, why did he vote for it the third time May brought it back to Parliament?

Melton Mowbray, a company which produces pork pies

Melton Mowbray is not a company, it is a town in Leicestershire that is famous for its pork pies, like Cheddar is famous for its cheese and Kendal is famous for its mint cake. (The Melton Mowbray pork pie differs from yer average pork pie in that it is made with a hand-formed crust and is baked free-standing, not in a mould, so that the sides bend outwards; and the uncured meat filling is chopped, not minced.)

The 'spokesman for Melton Mowbray' is the chair of the Melton Mowbray Pork Pie Association.

Number 10 published information which proved Boris was telling the truth. The media were not interested in publishing these details though.

Two things wrong with that statement -

1) the media did publish 'the details', which is why and how I am able to refute the claim:

2)'the details' are that one pie-making company, Walker & Sons, did in fact once export a small amount of pies to Singapore (frozen, to be baked on arrival) but has not done so for at least two years. There is no record or evidence of Melton Mowbray pies being sold in either Thailand or Iceland, or indeed anywhere else, as the company is now 'entirely focused on the UK market'.

Johnson telling porkies.

Great big fat porkies.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49470831

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And yet, the expressions "We are going to" or "We will" were not used, so I am afraid you cannot say they made a promise.

Mate, I know you are a staunch supporter of the no-deal Brexit, but you’ve got honest about this one.

Try texting ‘let’s go for a pint’ to your mate, not turning up and then telling him that you you didn’t promise to go for a pint when he asks where you are.

Tangerine2000Today 11:44 am JST

https://twitter.com/MediaGuido/status/1165990200272723968

Is this Paul Staines work, too? You know, the British National Party linked guy that runs the Guido Fawkes website and a pro-Boris site?

Comedy gold.

https://tompride.wordpress.com/2018/04/03/guido-fawkes-linked-to-the-bnp-gas-them-all-gas-them-all/

"After a brief spell as a professional blackjack player, his next stop was Tokyo, as chief investment officer for Mondial Global Investors, a Bahamas-based hedge fund, earning $1.4 million in commissions between 1997 and 2001. His time there was characterised by drugs, alcohol and fast living. One former friend recalled how he had told them he was ordered by a doctor to "give up drinking and sniffing" because of the effect on his health."

Yeah, this guy sounds just like a trustworthy professional journalist, doesn't he.

"Later that year he picked up the first of four alcohol-related convictions, a 12-month driving ban for drink-driving (his most recent was in April last year, when he was again banned, this time for three years, as well as being given an 18-month supervision order and wearing an electronic tag for three months)."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/5173475/Guido-Fawkes-the-colourful-life-of-the-man-who-brought-down-Damian-McBride.html

I think we have a staunch unionist who wants his no deal, no matter what.

But I wouldn't use the "Let's spend it on our NHS instead" quote. You can dislike it, but it wasn't a lie.

That phrase by itself isn't technically a lie; the lie was, and is, "We send £350 million to the EU every week".

That amount has never been sent by the UK to the EU. This can easily be verified, e.g. here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/theukcontributiontotheeubudget/2017-10-31

The UK government and treasury figures show that Johnson was lying about the 350 million, but Johnson keeps repeating it regardless. This is the behaviour of a charlatan.

Well, they said British equals white and if your kids have a black mother they're only half British.

Wtf?

I missed that. Is that from the Guido link?

No, Toasted. I said that. Let me say it again, so no one clouds the issue.

I said that people of any ethinicity can be British (nationality-wise) if they are born in the UK and have a British passport. However, unless they have a parent who is a white English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish person, then they won't be British (ethinically). I don't see what the fuss is about. It's akin to saying if someone passes the required tests and obtains Japanese citizenship, they would be Japanese (nationally), but they wouldn't be Japanese ethnically.

I am not sure where you get the impression that I am a unionist from though, toasted. If Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland or even England want to leave the UK, I would accept it and wouldn't stop them. I don't think the UK should exist in perpetuity to be honest.

@Jimizo

Mate, I know you are a staunch supporter of the no-deal Brexit, but you’ve got honest about this one.

Try texting ‘let’s go for a pint’ to your mate, not turning up and then telling him that you you didn’t promise to go for a pint when he asks where you are.

Your premise for the analogy is wrong. Heres' mine:

You are with a group of friends trying to decide whether to go to the pub or a restaurant. You want to go to the pub and say 'Let's go to the pub and we'll save money because the food is cheaper'.

This is not a commitment or a promise to do something. It is a suggestion. That is what the £350 million bus slogan was.

I am not sure where you get the impression that I am a unionist from though, toasted. If Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland or even England want to leave the UK, I would accept it and wouldn't stop them. I don't think the UK should exist in perpetuity to be honest.

In that case, I was incorrect and I retract my previous comment regarding unionism.

the government claims they are full Brits because there are no halves accept down at the Old Bull and Bush.

They're full pints, there's no doubt about that. Isn't it remarkable the stuff you can read on here in the middle of the night when you can't sleep!

UK leaves the EU so will we been returning to the old imperial system for measurement like pints, inch, mph?

Yes, together with cholera and rickets too. They'll be hanging monkeys in Hartlepool by Christmas, mark my words!

UK leaves the EU so will we been returning to the old imperial system for measurement like pints, inch, mph?

Milk and beer and still sold in pints, road signs are still in miles.

British nationality = People born in Britain or who obtain Britihs citizenship

British ethnicity = English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish ethnicity

People born the the UK are not automatically British, it depends on the citizenship or immigration status of their parents. 'Britain' excludes Northern Ireland, they are part of the UK. Also, you can define you ethnicity as anything you like in the UK, there is no legal definition. I always tick any old box when asked my ethnicity on a form.

Farage isn't an MP. The Brexit Party has no MPs.

Do they have any policies yet?

Do the Tories or Labour have any sound policies yet?

Have a good evening all & let's hope for a sensible Brexit.

* let's hope for a sensible Brexit*

Now there's an oxymoron if ever I saw one.

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Do the Tories or Labour have any sound policies yet?

They have policies. Whether you think they are sound policies or not depends largely on your political outlook.

Would you vote for someone who has no policies?

I have a note that suggests Boris Johnson will request Her Majesty the Queen prorogue Parliament today?

At this moment in time Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage is small potato's. Richard Tice could be pulling Farage strings though..........

https://richardtice.com/

For the Queen, MPs (Remainers) have put her in a difficult position. Suspending parliament is one way of her keeping The Crown free of the mess.

Plus there's the added fact that she put Clegg in his place when he was venerating the EU.

https://order-order.com/2016/03/08/clegg-doesnt-deny-queen-backs-brexit/

If this is correct Parliament will not open until around the 16th October ish

Timetable of Proroguing:

Sep 3: Parliament returns from Summer recess

Sep 9: Parliament suspended from this date

Oct 14: Parliament returns from prorogument

Oct 31: UK set to leave the EU

So, the Opposition will only have only have 14 working days to stop Brexit.

Well not if Johnson announces a General Election within the period between 14th and the 31st October. This would asphyxiate commons speaker John Bercow, and the order paper.

Makes sense. Doesn't give any MPs who want to stop Brexit a chance.

Astonished, never saw that coming, truly remarkable......It is all over the UK news media.

zichi, maybe I should purchase an iphone, clearly a step ahead of Reuters ho humm.

@itsonlyrocknroll

You were right.

"If MPs pass a no confidence vote next week then we won’t resign. We won’t recommend another government, we’ll dissolve parliament, call an election between November 1-5 and there’ll be zero chance of Grieve legislation,” says senior official.

https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1166647168368660481

So if Remainers go ahead with a no confidence motion and win, Brexit still happens.

zichi, thanks I will look into the apps you recommend.

Need to get my head around this. Johnson has left a two, possibility three week gap.

I think it is to flush out the naysayers within his party, with the bottle to back proposed opposition legislation to block no deal. If so Johnson could call a General Election, any dissenters would face deselection.

Its a blunt instrument but effective. With a single seat working majority what's to lose?

Tangerine2000 its politically risky.

The dead hand of Dominic Cummings, a modern day Sir Francis Walsingham is all over this. It reeks of his plotting and scheming.

zichi, that's the pinch, calling a General Election will kill off any possibility of a vote of confidence or an attempt to legislatively block a no deal.

Yes I think so too.

People will think this is happening because the Brexit Party has put pressure on Boris, but in actual fact this is more to do with the rivalry between Nigel and Dominic. It seems Cummings is trying to out 'Farage', Farage.

This slippery masquerade, politically game play is far to calculated, nuanced for Johnson. The same Boris Johnson that haplessly got stuck, suspended on a zip wire.

There is also a message here for the EU commission. Cunning and devious, all the hallmarks of Dominic Cummings.

Johnson has launched a right wing coup d'etat. The Queen, who should be above these things, is damned if she does and damned if she don't. There is no democracy in the UK, Parliament has been sidelined.

The Queen just approved prorogation.

Johnson has launched a right wing coup d'etat.

No, he hasn't. He is suspending parliament as it has been suspended countless times before.

There is no democracy in the UK

'Democracy', etymology 'Demos', which means 'the people'. 17.4 million British people voted to leave the EU. That was 52% in a referendum. Democratic I would say.

Parliament has been sidelined

No, it hasn't. Parliament has has more than enough time. Three years in fact. Almost 500 MPs voted for Article 50. So, if they are opposed to Article 50 now, they either are incapable of doing their job because they should've known what A50 entailed, or they are dishonest scumbags. Whichever, they won't be MPs for long now.

Yes, you're quite right, zichi.

John Major prorogued parliament for much longer. 6 weeks!

Whilst everyone else is losing their heads, Guido thought it would be helpful to remind everyone that John Major’s prorogation – which he used to cover up the cash for questions scandal – lasted from the March 21 until the 1997 General Election: a period of 6 weeks, compare this to today’s announced prorogation that will result in Parliament losing only 4 sitting days

https://order-order.com/2019/08/28/boriss-prorogation-will-shorter-majors/

 let's hope for a **sensible** Brexit

Now there's an oxymoron if ever I saw one.

What, you want Britain to be a vassal state of the EU globalists?

Bercow is furious and rightly so.

The Boris is making the right people angry!

Bercow is a twit.

Paul Staines, Irish and living in Ireland? Rightwing blogger.

And....? Still doesn't make the fact that John Major prorogued parliament for 6 week any less true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash-for-questions_affair

Downey began his inquiry in early 1997, but before he published his report Prime Minister John Majorprorogued parliament for a general election, to be held on 1 May 1997.

The Boris is making the right people angry!

You are sinking from reasonable arguments to childish glee or mania.

Johnson’s move is undemocratic and dangerous.

You are sinking from reasonable arguments to childish glee or mania.

I will admit, it is very fun! For three years the establishment has been trying to wear down Brexit supporters. But today, the rug has been pulled from beneath their feet. The Queen is not obliged by the constitution to prorogue parliament if she doesn't want to, but she did. Looks like the Queen supports Brexit after all. Just a shame that anti-brexit organisations and MPs are already condeming her.

Johnson’s move is undemocratic and dangerous.

Can you please explain why the actions of the lawful government are undemocratic or unlawful?

It is very fun

No it isn’t. We aren’t trolling trolls here. This is a serious business.

Looks like the Queen supports Brexit after all.

You know she had no choice in reality. This is a disingenuous statement.

You know what Johnson is up to. You are being disingenuous in the way you claimed let’s do something actually means it’s all up in the air.

You are getting less reasonable and more manic over Brexit.

We aren’t trolling trolls here.

Not trying to troll. Just being honest, Jimizo. If you can imagine the shoe on the other foor, after three years of obfuscation, I'm sure you would feel a little pleased to see the situation go in your favour.

You know she had no choice in reality. This is a disingenuous statement.

She does have a choice, though. She is not bound by convention.

You are getting less reasonable and more manic over Brexit.

My position has not changed. I would like a WTO Brexit. That means no more FoM, SM or CU and no ECJ. Whether Boris delivers this remains to be seen.

It is entirely possible that the situation will do a complete 180 in the next few weeks, but we're in the endgame now.

but we're in the endgame now.

But our elected representatives aren't allowed to take part. Strange game. One politician has named it the Eton coup.

But our elected representatives aren't allowed to take part. Strange game. One politician has named it the Eton coup.

Don't worry, they'll think of something. This has already been played out three steps in advance,

Not trying to troll. Just being honest, Jimizo. If you can imagine the shoe on the other foor, after three years of obfuscation, I'm sure you would feel a little pleased to see the situation go in your favour.

Not in this way. I’m not manic. Attempting to bypass parliament is not on. Don’t try to claim this isn’t what this is about.

Please think about it. Parliament is made up of a majority of MPs who are anti-Brexit and seek opportunities to reverse it. Parliament has had more than enough time to argue, debate and vote on Brexit. Parliament overwhelmingly voted for Article 50.

I think Parliament has had its say. It's time to move on.

John Major prorogued parliament for much longer

John Major is seeking legal advice regarding Bozo's decision to prorogue parliament, saying his motive was 'clearly to bypass a sovereign parliament that opposes his policy on Brexit'. Can't say I ever had much time for Major (or any Tory MP), but he's right on this one.

you want Britain to be a vassal state of the EU globalists?

No, an equal and equally prosperous member of the largest market in the world. Much better than being under the US heel, force-fed chlorinated chicken and hormone-infested beef.

The Queen is not obliged by the constitution to prorogue parliament if she doesn't want to

Actually, yes she is.

anti-brexit organisations and MPs are already condeming her.

They're condemning Dictator Bozo and his cronies, not the Queen.

Never mind a vote of no confidence, Bozo de Pfeffel needs putting on trial for treason against democracy. His actions are an outrage. He is an outrage.

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@cleo

They're condemning Dictator Bozo and his cronies, not the Queen.

If the Queen is asked to help, she would do well to remember history doesn’t look too kindly on royals who aid and abet the suspension of democracy.

https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1166631368140500992

Best for Britain is Gina Millar's lot.

zichiToday  01:43 am JST

All the political representatives of the people, members of a lower house, members of an upper house, and the head of state should be 100% elected by the people and not by history or inheritance of title.

In which case the upper house and head of state should have actual power in the political system or else there's little point in going to the trouble of holding elections for them.

An elected president would be an improvement on a monarch. Then could be a 100% separation between state and church which there isn't at the moment.

I think it's more of a priority to do something about the unrepresentative first-past-the-post method of electing MPs. I don't think swapping one kind of ceremonial figurehead for another makes much difference one way or another, and I don't see why the churches in Britain can't be disestablished and the monarchy made completely secular if Parliament votes for it.

If Brexit isn't fulfilled then the Brexit Party has every right to hold the Conservatives and remainers to account!

WTO Brexit is fine. Watch the EU fail miserably without our trade.

zichiToday  08:14 am JST

Similar to something like Japan. Elected lower and upper houses.

Sounds nice, until you end up with roughly equally powerful houses controlled by opposing parties, as has often been the case in Japan.

PM elected by the party politicians. Proportional representation.

Again, PR sounds nice but often produces ineffectual, squabbling coalitions. I was keen on the alternative vote system and I'm disappointed that in the referendum a few years ago British people opted to keep first past the post.

The emperor is the head of state but does not have any political power.

No need for elections then, really. The UK monarchy could continue under similar conditions.

If Brexit isn't fulfilled then the Brexit Party has every right to hold the Conservatives and remainers to account!

What’s he going to do? Run in elections with no policies, fail to win a seat in a general election ( again ) and then have a pint?

What does hold them to account mean?