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Fauci disagrees with Trump on coronavirus, citing disturbing U.S. statistics

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Trump, who has admitted playing down the severity of the virus

But Trump will NOT accept any responsibility for the deaths of nearly 200,000 American citizens nor for his collapsed economy that has severely affected the lives of millions of Americans.

Trump and his fellow Republican 'elite', aka 'the establishment' can't be bothered about the damage caused to Main Street, especially lower income, Black, Hispanic and Native peoples living on Main Street.

Trump and his R's care only about Wall Street and their fellow 'elite establishment'.

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How long does Fauci have?

Trump doesn't like when people talk the truth.

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How long does Fauci have?

He is a civil servant, not a Presidential appointee and thus protected from reprisal. It would be impossible for a President to fire him as long as he is speaking the truth. The whole idea of a non-partisan civil service is to prevent the creation of a corrupt patronage army and to assure that the public service is not used to reward one group favorable to a political majority and punish those who oppose the political majority. The civil service is supposed to work for all Americans regardless of their politics.

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Gee, who to believe?

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Trump clearly knows more than Dr. Fauci. Just ask him and he’ll tell you. What a moron.

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Did Fauci have access to daily security briefings and phone calls from the Chinese President?

Did Fauci say it was a hoax designed to hurt the President?

Did Fauci ask his followers to ignore guidelines and "liberate" their States?

Did Fauci mock people wearing masks after guidance was changed that recommended all to wear masks?

Did Fauci choose not to exercise the defense production act to manufacture needed PPE?

Was Fauci the ***** President of the United States and have the responsibility to make the decisions?

I think you know the answers.

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It’s better to wait until Sean Hannity tells us what to think.

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Fauci said we may never be able to shake hands again. He's been wrong before.

But Trump will NOT accept any responsibility for the deaths of nearly 200,000 American citizens

Over 900,000 worldwide. You gonna blame the leaders of the other countries ( aside from China's Xi who should be blamed ) for the other 700,000 deaths? Nah, just Trump...

nor for his collapsed economy 

Trump wants the economy completely reopened, but he's not a dictator and we've got Democratic governors and mayors keeping their states and cities locked down.

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How did America end up with so many stupid people? Is it the education system

Yes, it is the education system. Republicans have been assaulting education on America for years through defunding and standardized testing requirements. They know that educated people think for themselves instead of simply believing what their republican parents told them.

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It’s better to wait until Sean Hannity tells us what to think.

It's better to wait until Psycho Joe Scarborough's wacky future ex-wife Mika Brzezinski tells us what to think. :D

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The more Trump fans don't want to follow the safety rules, the longer this will last.

Not rocket science.

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First get the virus under control.

Then re-open the economy.

Had this president followed that simple guideline America would now be in better shape.

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Had this president followed that simple guideline

Had? I wasn't aware he was following them today.

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Over 900,000 worldwide. You gonna blame the leaders of the other countries ( aside from China's Xi who should be blamed ) for the other 700,000 deaths? Nah, just Trump...

The US has had over a fifth of worldwide cironavirus deaths yet sounds for only 5% of the world's population.

The test of the world has managed to get deaths down to very low figures yet the US is up to a thousand a day.

Why had the US failed to bring the death rate down while others have? Well, the internet is now awash with videos of COVID morons refusing to wear masks and they're nearly all American - I think tells us what we need to know.

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here is the quick return of the Fauci who liberals love, right on cue.

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But Trump will NOT accept any responsibility for the deaths of nearly 200,000 American citizens nor for his collapsed economy that has severely affected the lives of millions of Americans.

Well, the economy collapsed due to China and the shutdown and a lockdown that the Democrats insisted on keeping it at least until the end of November to hurt the President and the people as much as they possibly can. IF the Democrats care about people, why is the liberal media ignoring Cuomo putting elderly people in nursing homes to die? But they're old, insignificant and who cares, they'll be gone sooner or later, so it's easier for Dems to blame the President over something that the President was against from the start even though he didn't want people to panic and justifiably so. Democrats have zero idea of how to even get the country financially back on track.

Trump and his fellow Republican 'elite', aka 'the establishment' can't be bothered about the damage caused to Main Street, especially lower income, Black, Hispanic and Native peoples living on Main Street.

Not true, Trump desperately wants the country to get back to work, but these Democrats don't want the job creators to help poor people, so many of them decide to leave, so now needy and poor people are left out, the middle class will continue to shrink, they have zero solutions, so the job creators are leaving and wherever they move to, the people in those States will benefit from this move, never opportunities await.

Trump and his R's care only about Wall Street and their fellow 'elite establishment'.

They should as well as poor people if they want to prosper.

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It’s better to wait until Sean Hannity tells us what to think.

It's better to wait until Psycho Joe Scarborough's wacky future ex-wife Mika Brzezinski tells us what to think.

Actually I would rather not allow either one to dictate how I think. I find them both disgusting.

@Ah_so: yes it is quite true many Americans refuse to wear a mask for whatever reason. I wear one myself as I want others who are around me to wear one to reduce (not eliminate) the risk of transmission via respirable vapors. On the other hand aa few months ago the University of Chicago found a mutation in the U.S. which allowed the virus to spread more easily. Interestingly enough using the real metric (deaths per capita) the order is as follows:

Belgium

United Kingdom

Peru

Spain

Italy

Sweden

Chile

United States

Brazil

France

Asian countries which tend to be more densely populated and have more people using public transportation do not make the top 10. I believe the use of masks are part of the reason for this.

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The expert is laughable. Anyone who can read knows why the virus will become active again. This is just great theatre and not any real news.

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Trust the epidemiologist, ignore the grifter.

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Oh dear, the child is going to throw another hissy fit.

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The more Trump fans don't want to follow the safety rules, the longer this will last.

The thing is that Fauci himself does not follow (does not believe in) the safety rules. Recall when he sat in an empty baseball stadium sadwiched tightly between two people without a mask... They could have so easily allow one or two seats between them.

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The more Trump fans don't want to follow the safety rules, the longer this will last.

Fine and the people with money will move to States where these crap rules are less restrictive. But as you said, No rocket science.

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It was important to get those infection rates down before the autumn and winter seasons when people will be spending more time indoors. "You don't want to start off already with a baseline that's so high," Fauci said.

So Fauci thinks spending lots of time indoors is dangerous..... where does that leave the idea that we have to lock people in to help fight the virus? Confusing.

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Tokyo Engr

. Interestingly enough using the real metric (deaths per capita) the order is as follows:

Belgium

United Kingdom

Peru

Spain

Italy

Sweden

Chile

United States

...and that is using the US average, like taking a European average. But if you look at the death per capital by state, the picture is completely different; You have a couple of states that are through the roof (New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut), but most other states have very low rates. Without the above cluster of high-death states, the US average is very low, closer to that of Germany. Statistics....

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Poor doctor Fauci. On the one hand he’s trying to tell people what they must do, and on the other he’s got to tell us not to listen to the crazy man in the White House.

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Well, as a Trump supporter, it's easy for me to choose who to believe....

I mean, would you trust a 40 year world renown expert in epidemiology and pandemic response? No way...

I trust my former reality TV host, failed businessman, and Clorox promoter Donald J. Trump. He knows the virus is spread by 5G network towers - that's why he's ordered them all turned off. COVID defeated! Mission Accomplished!

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 mean, would you trust a 40 year world renown expert in epidemiology and pandemic response? No way...

I mean, Fauci did say, kids need to be in school, his words, he is the expert after all.

Dang straight - I'm with you brother. We both trust the guy who said on May 8th: Wearing a mask in "Anti-American"...and then on Jul 21st: Wearing a mask is "patriotic"....

We're Trump supporters - Anti-American Patriots...

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and Fauci said a mask doesnt work and isnt necessary in March, then after media pressure claimed it is a requirement by May (along with face shields and goggles).

Whats the point? Fauci can revise what he says anytime based on "new information" but Trump cant?

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Dang straight - I'm with you brother.

So then tell the Dems to reopen these schools.

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Poor doctor Fauci. On the one hand he’s trying to tell people what they must do, and on the other he’s got to tell us not to listen to the crazy man in the White House

I think it was PJ O’Rourke who said dealing with Trump is like dealing with a toddler who crayons all over the wall. His disinfectant outburst was an example.

The adults in the room who know stuff need to find the right way to deal with this child.

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Dang straight - I'm with you brother.

So then tell the Dems to reopen these schools.

Preach! Open those schools, pack those kids in....we Trump supporters want our kids infect.....er...I mean in school!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2020/09/11/covid-cases-college-us-outbreak-rate-tracker/5759088002/

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The adults in the room who know stuff need to find the right way to deal with this child.

Hope these idiot mayors and governors are listening.

Preach! Open those schools, pack those kids in....we Trump supporters want our kids infect.....er...I mean in school!

Yeah, other countries have a massive outbreak of kids on ventilators...nice try. Lol

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Blacklabel:. and Fauci said a mask doesnt work and isnt necessary in March

So just so we are clear, you don't wear a mask because Fauci was wrong in March?

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Preach! Open those schools, pack those kids in....we Trump supporters want our kids infect.....er...I mean in school!

Yeah, other countries have a massive outbreak of kids on ventilators...nice try. Lol

That's right - stand strong together fellow Trump brother. Just ignore those fools that say;

It's dangerous Bob, airborne, highly contagious and more deadly than even your strenuous flus..This is deadly stuff.

They don't know what they're talking about...

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So Trump supporters take his word over a medical expert...I get it...

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So Trump supporters take his word over a medical expert...I get it

Well, he agrees with Trump that the kids should be in school, so listen to the good doctor.

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correct, in March. based on his scientifically based announcement that a mask would not protect me in any way and it was not necessary to wear it.

So just so we are clear, you don't wear a mask because Fauci was wrong in March?

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which later we found out was supposedly a "good lie" intended to keep masks available for others, not the general public. So the public died instead. Then the supposed new truth comes out that not only do masks work, they are necessary along with social distancing which also works.

But neither of those work enough to allow us to stand in line to vote or go back to work or school safely. So stay home, which Fauci also claims is a dangerous place. But dont go outside either, even with a mask and social distancing.

Cant you see the nonsensical progression of Fauci's edicts? nowhere is safe, nothing works. Just have to wait until the end of 2021 is his new thing on CNN. But cant wait in your house, nor can you wait outside or at school or at work. Where should you be?

Oh! a protest! totally safe place to be.

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Blacklabel

and Fauci said a mask doesnt work and isnt necessary in March, then after media pressure claimed it is a requirement by May (along with face shields and goggles).

Yeah, selective quoting is a wonderful thing. Why is it so difficult to go the Wayback machine and check the context in which various statements were made? Instead of picking statements from half a year ago and putting them into current context, as the TV talking heads constantly do.

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Yes, it is amazing when you set your Google search to a certain date range like Feb/March 2020 and see what was said at the time it was happening. Then compare it to what people now say was said then.

(Well for the things that have not already been deleted to cover them up- those are harder to find without Wayback machine).

The difference is truly shocking. The only one even seeming to have any concern about corona at that time was....Trump. Bob Woodward has said that didnt even believe Trump about corona when he heard it in Feb.

Fauci was ok, go on a cruise! CNN was saying the flu was much worse, Pelosi was having Chinatown parties, Biden was calling Trump a racist and xenophobe. its not necessary to shut down travel!

It all happened.

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