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© (c) Copyright Thomson Reuters 2019.Hong Kong leader to hold dialogue with community aimed at easing tensions
By Clare Jim HONG KONG©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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TARA TAN KITAOKA
I trust that U are a very educated lady. We , Asians are one world. Distrust is created when some foreign bodies cannot attack strong real objectives in Asia, pls take a good study of history.
The Original Wing
Absolutely false reporting. Lam made vague statements about "promising" to "propose" a withdrawal. There was no actual action taken on this point, but many Western outlets misunderstood and claimed that the bill was killed. It was not.
That starts with the HK police, the mainland police/military who came over to pose as HK police, and the mainland thugs that have come over to cause problems and intimidate the HK protestors.
Of course, discussions are needed and earnest discussions to bring peace are necessary. However, this will not accomplish that goal. Lam knows very well what the protestors are demanding - 5 points that have been chanted and published everywhere. Lam knows exactly what the problems are, from the protestors' standpoint. But Lam in all likelihood has zero power to enact any of those demands, even if she were so inclined. She's a puppet of Beijing with little to no power of her own. So, what's going to be accomplished from these talks? Again - they should have the talks. It's part of any civilized conflict resolution. But nothing will come of them.
Chip Star
No, you are not. Just look at this situation. Look at the South Korea-Japan situation.
Democracy is not a foreign body to Asia. Taiwan, Japan, India, the Philippines, etc. are all democracies.
rgcivilian1
Ist, China must follow the agreement signed and honor it. It is that simple, they are not.
2nd: The appointed leader by China vs an elected Hong Kong official by the people of HK violates the first. If this puppet leader would step down and China stand by the agreement when HK was returned then that would end the qualms.
Akie
rgcivilian1, what agreement ? what follow ? what honor ? The agreement is to return HK back to China, and everyone has to honor it, as simple as that. HK is China's HK, no other's business, that is the basis for any discussion.
Chip Star
This is what the Chinese say because they don't care if they honor their agreements.
Akie
Chip Star, that is the agreement, honor it and keep democracy to yourself.
Akie
"one country, two systems" formula that guarantees freedoms not enjoyed on the mainland"
Totally false.
Akie
What freedoms do the HK people enjoy that mainland don't have ?
Ooopsie
Empty words when you are the puppet of China.
ulysses
Did you hear about the bookshop owners who published stuff critical to Xie, disappeared, showed up in China.
There are a few who are still missing.
So I guess both Hong Kongers and mainlanders don’t really have much freedom.
Akie
wipeout, any laws are based on principle laws, and the principle law is that HK is China's HK. Yes, there are some details to allow HK to keep certain aspects of old laws, but that doesn't mean that HK's colonial laws are better than other laws. It is just to help the transmission. Chinese people are open minded, Chinese culture are open culture, and Chinese civilization is open civilization. There is nothing to worry about to let HK to keep Colonial way for another 50 years. Colonial freedom will destroy itself for injustice inherited in its legal system. Just see what HK court did to the rioters.
Chip Star
What is "this"? I was referring to the handover agreement.
Because the Chinesecrefuse to honor the agreement.
The right to be critical of the government and not be disappeared. The right to practice religion.
Agreed. What makes HK's colonial laws better are the freedoms they protected and the communists are taking away.
ClippetyClop
Amusingly, the freedom to do what we are doing here; discuss the actions of the CCP without fear of your door being kicked down. You may also do that in China of course, but make sure you do it inside your own head. Otherwise you will be arrested and imprisioned.
HK people think they are, and China guaranteed them until 2047. So show some honour.
How so? By imprisoning a million Uighurs? You don't have to believe everything your masters tell you.
Chip Star
Akie: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/04/03/magazine/the-case-of-hong-kongs-missing-booksellers.amp.html
Chip Star
If the CCP allows you to read that webpage, obviously.
Cliffy
I hear you but I am not listening.
ClippetyClop
This would explain why Xi hasn't been punished for amassing a personal wealth of billions, but his opponents and publishers of books on the matter have. Bloomberg reported this, then were quickly thrown off the mainland.
Not for people who express an opinion considered dangerous to the CCP or those who happen to follow a different religion.
You can't, as one serves the party, the other the citizens. Can you work out which is which?
Haaa Nemui
What time of year is the Yulin festival?
theFu
Lam is 3 months too late.
She needs to resign and move away. Probably to Beijing to be told by her handlers that everything will be fine, before she is disappeared.
Open elections are necessary for peace in Hong Kong where the locals select who runs and select all their representatives. This is the only viable solution.
Hong Kong is part of China. Mainland Chinese will follow later with their own democratic reforms. They will eventually tire of having a master tell them what to think, what they can say, where and when they can travel. Chinese people are smarter than to continue being dictated what is best for them. They can decide for themselves.
China certainly has learned capitalism very well. It is clear that the pro-Beijing posts are well paid.
Cliffy
@ theFu
Have your heard of Stockholm syndrome?
Haaa Nemui
I was talking to a very pro-China mainlander on Sunday night who said exactly this. It gave me some hope at least.
starpunk
Lam is not to be trusted. She has shown that already, she is on the CCP''s leash.
bass4funk
Knowing “the truth” about the mainland and knowing that they won’t any part of its political indoctrination force fed onto them
Black Sabbath
The deal is: One Country, Two Systems.
So long as China sticks to the deal, there will be no protests.
Akie
What benefit does colonial system bring to HK ?
HK was returned back to China in 1997.
China opened to the world in 1996.
The GDP of HK:
1960, $1.3 billion;
1976, $13 billion;
1996, $169 billion;
2017, $341 billion.
Clearly, HK benefits from China, not from Colonization. From 1960 to 1976, GDP only grew by $10 billion, in 16 years. That was the benefit and freedom of being poor, brought to HK by the beloved King and Queen.
On the other hand, since returned back to China, HK grew by $170 billion, in 20 years, doubled GDP.