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Hong Kong leader to hold dialogue with community aimed at easing tensions

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By Clare Jim

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I trust that U are a very educated lady. We , Asians are one world. Distrust is created when some foreign bodies cannot attack strong real objectives in Asia, pls take a good study of history.

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The trigger for the unrest was an extradition bill, now withdrawn, that would...

Lam, who has been a focus of protesters' anger, capitulated to one of their main demands on Sept. 4, announcing the full withdrawal of the extradition bill.

Absolutely false reporting. Lam made vague statements about "promising" to "propose" a withdrawal. There was no actual action taken on this point, but many Western outlets misunderstood and claimed that the bill was killed. It was not.

reiterating that violence that has roiled the city over three months of protests must end.

That starts with the HK police, the mainland police/military who came over to pose as HK police, and the mainland thugs that have come over to cause problems and intimidate the HK protestors.

Hong Kong's leader, Carrie Lam, said on Tuesday she and her team would begin dialogue sessions with the community next week,

Of course, discussions are needed and earnest discussions to bring peace are necessary. However, this will not accomplish that goal. Lam knows very well what the protestors are demanding - 5 points that have been chanted and published everywhere. Lam knows exactly what the problems are, from the protestors' standpoint. But Lam in all likelihood has zero power to enact any of those demands, even if she were so inclined. She's a puppet of Beijing with little to no power of her own. So, what's going to be accomplished from these talks? Again - they should have the talks. It's part of any civilized conflict resolution. But nothing will come of them.

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I trust that U are a very educated lady. We , Asians are one world.

No, you are not. Just look at this situation. Look at the South Korea-Japan situation.

Distrust is created when some foreign bodies cannot attack strong real objectives in Asia, pls take a good study of history.

Democracy is not a foreign body to Asia. Taiwan, Japan, India, the Philippines, etc. are all democracies.

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Ist, China must follow the agreement signed and honor it. It is that simple, they are not.

2nd: The appointed leader by China vs an elected Hong Kong official by the people of HK violates the first. If this puppet leader would step down and China stand by the agreement when HK was returned then that would end the qualms.

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rgcivilian1, what agreement ? what follow ? what honor ? The agreement is to return HK back to China, and everyone has to honor it, as simple as that. HK is China's HK, no other's business, that is the basis for any discussion.

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rgcivilian1, what agreement ? what follow ? what honor ? The agreement is to return HK back to China, and everyone has to honor it, as simple as that. HK is China's HK, no other's business, that is the basis for any discussion.

This is what the Chinese say because they don't care if they honor their agreements.

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Chip Star, that is the agreement, honor it and keep democracy to yourself.

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"one country, two systems" formula that guarantees freedoms not enjoyed on the mainland"

Totally false.

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What freedoms do the HK people enjoy that mainland don't have ?

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Empty words when you are the puppet of China.

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What freedoms do the HK people enjoy that mainland don't have ?

Did you hear about the bookshop owners who published stuff critical to Xie, disappeared, showed up in China.

There are a few who are still missing.

So I guess both Hong Kongers and mainlanders don’t really have much freedom.

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wipeout, any laws are based on principle laws, and the principle law is that HK is China's HK. Yes, there are some details to allow HK to keep certain aspects of old laws, but that doesn't mean that HK's colonial laws are better than other laws. It is just to help the transmission. Chinese people are open minded, Chinese culture are open culture, and Chinese civilization is open civilization. There is nothing to worry about to let HK to keep Colonial way for another 50 years. Colonial freedom will destroy itself for injustice inherited in its legal system. Just see what HK court did to the rioters.

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Chip Star, that is the agreement, honor it and keep democracy to yourself.

What is "this"? I was referring to the handover agreement.

"one country, two systems" formula that guarantees freedoms not enjoyed on the mainland"

Totally false.

Because the Chinesecrefuse to honor the agreement.

What freedoms do the HK people enjoy that mainland don't have ?

The right to be critical of the government and not be disappeared. The right to practice religion.

K to keep certain aspects of old laws, but that doesn't mean that HK's colonial laws are better than other laws

Agreed. What makes HK's colonial laws better are the freedoms they protected and the communists are taking away.

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What freedoms do the HK people enjoy that mainland don't have ?

Amusingly, the freedom to do what we are doing here; discuss the actions of the CCP without fear of your door being kicked down. You may also do that in China of course, but make sure you do it inside your own head. Otherwise you will be arrested and imprisioned.

but that doesn't mean that HK's colonial laws are better than other laws.

HK people think they are, and China guaranteed them until 2047. So show some honour.

Chinese culture are open culture, and Chinese civilization is open civilization.

How so? By imprisoning a million Uighurs? You don't have to believe everything your masters tell you.

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Akie: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/04/03/magazine/the-case-of-hong-kongs-missing-booksellers.amp.html

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If the CCP allows you to read that webpage, obviously.

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I hear you but I am not listening.

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Corruptions are punished from top down since ancient time.

This would explain why Xi hasn't been punished for amassing a personal wealth of billions, but his opponents and publishers of books on the matter have. Bloomberg reported this, then were quickly thrown off the mainland.

China is safer place than Japan

Not for people who express an opinion considered dangerous to the CCP or those who happen to follow a different religion.

Just compare HK courts to the Chinese courts

You can't, as one serves the party, the other the citizens. Can you work out which is which?

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What time of year is the Yulin festival?

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Lam is 3 months too late.

She needs to resign and move away. Probably to Beijing to be told by her handlers that everything will be fine, before she is disappeared.

Open elections are necessary for peace in Hong Kong where the locals select who runs and select all their representatives. This is the only viable solution.

Hong Kong is part of China. Mainland Chinese will follow later with their own democratic reforms. They will eventually tire of having a master tell them what to think, what they can say, where and when they can travel. Chinese people are smarter than to continue being dictated what is best for them. They can decide for themselves.

China certainly has learned capitalism very well. It is clear that the pro-Beijing posts are well paid.

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@ theFu

Chinese people are smarter than to continue being dictated what is best for them.

Have your heard of Stockholm syndrome?

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Hong Kong is part of China. Mainland Chinese will follow later with their own democratic reforms. They will eventually tire of having a master tell them what to think, what they can say, where and when they can travel. Chinese people are smarter than to continue being dictated what is best for them. They can decide for themselves.

I was talking to a very pro-China mainlander on Sunday night who said exactly this. It gave me some hope at least.

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OoopsieToday 09:20 pm JSTEmpty words when you are the puppet of China.

Lam is not to be trusted. She has shown that already, she is on the CCP''s leash.

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What freedoms do the HK people enjoy that mainland don't have ?

Knowing “the truth” about the mainland and knowing that they won’t any part of its political indoctrination force fed onto them

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The deal is: One Country, Two Systems.

So long as China sticks to the deal, there will be no protests.

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What benefit does colonial system bring to HK ?

HK was returned back to China in 1997.

China opened to the world in 1996.

The GDP of HK:

1960, $1.3 billion;

1976, $13 billion;

1996, $169 billion;

2017, $341 billion.

Clearly, HK benefits from China, not from Colonization. From 1960 to 1976, GDP only grew by $10 billion, in 16 years. That was the benefit and freedom of being poor, brought to HK by the beloved King and Queen.

On the other hand, since returned back to China, HK grew by $170 billion, in 20 years, doubled GDP.

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