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© (c) Copyright Thomson Reuters 2019.Esper says crucial S Korea pay more for U.S. troops
By Joyce Lee and Phil Stewart SEOUL©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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bass4funk
Yes, in the end, it’s all about dollars, Euros and Pounds.
Yup.
rlaalswls
The US demanded $ 8 billion to quadruple the cost of US troops in Japan, according to Yahoo News.
What does an alliance mean to the United States?
Peter14
Both South Korea and Japan have acted as less than allies over the recent past but that alters nothing. The glue holding the alliance together is the US. Both rely on the US umbrella of protection and like it or not would provide aid and support in the event of conflict.
The reality is if Japan were to fall then South Korea would be virtually surrounded and if South Korea falls, Japan is a long way from help and much more vulnerable.
Both sides need to realise they are better off not infighting, and are stronger and safer standing together.
JJ Jetplane
You mean the economy that has performed exactly 0.1% below predictions? There isn't any economy currently that isn't contracting. The EU brexit issue and the China vs US trade war has hurt all economies. I don't know if you pay attention but almost all economies have missed their forecasts this year. Your statement is akin to saying the sun will rise in 2019
JJ Jetplane
@Vanityofvanities
Really? So the world's number 8 economy is not a wealthy country? They only have 50 mil people? France and Germany are the only EU countries with a higher population than South Korea. France and Germany are the only EU countries that produce higher GDP than South Korea. So in your assessment Spain, Netherlands, Switzerland, and more are not wealthy countries?
Samit Basu
@extanker
Thank you for backing up my statement. As the country with the biggest army of the free world, the ROK doesn't really sweat at the loss of 6500 US troops.
No need since the troops that Trump is threatening to pull is the army troops. Loss of 6500 US army troops doesn't have much effect on the ROK's overall defense posture.
This is why Trump's blackmailing isn't working.
extanker
Dude. You're pretty funny with this stuff. The active components size of the the ROK Army and US Army are fairly close. Right now, estimates have it as the ROK is about 10K members larger.
But now let's compare the size of both country's entire armed forces...
South Korea's active component is only 599,000 members. Compare that to the 1,359,685 active members of the US military, putting the US behind only China and India.
You love to exaggerate and alter information to make it look like you know what you are talking about but you are consistently caught being wrong or lying. Why should anyone listen to anything you have to say?
As for the rest of what you said, sure, Moon doesn't need the US. Then why hasn't he kicked them out already? Because unlike you, he actually knows that in reality he can't back up how tough he talks without Uncle Sam to back him up.
Samit Basu
@extanker
You don't understand what's happening.
Moon doesn't mind the US troop reduction to 22K which is the minimum troop level legally mandated by the US Congress. The ROK has the biggest army of the free world larger than even the US army, and the US troop reduction of 6500 doesn't really affect Korea's national security, especially when Moon is executing the biggest arms build up in Korea's recent history. Basically Moon intends to drag the SMA negotiation out until the end of Trump's first term, and hopes to open a new renegotiation with a Democratic president elect in 2021. Because of this, the US doesn't have much of a leverage; Trump can't order a troop pull out because of the US defense bill mandating a minimum troop level in Korea, nor are Koreans as desperate for US troops as much as they were in the past because of Korea's own massive arms build up.
Now, the question is what will Abe do when Trump comes around and demand a $10 billion in annual defense contribution? Does Abe have the guts of a spec-ops soldier like Moon to stand his ground and say no to Trump? Or is he going to raise the contribution to $10 billion without asking a question like when he agreed to buy $7 billion worth of US corn?
extanker
Keep ricking the boat, Moon, this is just the start of the repercussions. The price of your defense is only going to get more costly.
extanker
I'm pretty sure he as talking about Trump.
But jeez you sure were quick to write a biography of your hero.
Frank Tringale
Hypocrite United States. We give $billions a year to Israel that has nuclear weapons, satellites, and tried a moon landing. If Trump wants to save money he needs to cut out Israel's free money.
Samit Basu
@zichi
Moon is no business man; Moon was a former spec-ops soldier specialized in parachuting behind enemy lines and blowing up bridges, buildings, sabotages etc. He was an explosives specialist. Moon was a top class spec-ops soldier who was commended by Dictator President Chun Doo Hwan himself, an award that Moon desperately tried to play down in his post-military life as a lawyer. The conservatives always mock Moon as a fake human rights lawyer, the henchmen of a military dictator instead.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/moon-jae-in-from-special-forces-soldier-to-south-koreas-president-shoo-in
Samit Basu
@OssanJapan
You mean your tax yen? Don't worry, not a dime of your yen was spent for that purpose.
There is no such thing as US-JP-KR alliance. There are two parallel alliances, US-JP and US-KR alliances.
Korea is not an ally of Japan.
JMSDF warships are welcome in Korea, as long as they fly Japan's national flag Hinomaru proudly like all other navies do.
Marshall Saints
I agree South Korea should pay more. But I was thinking the form of first class one way tickets back to America...you know....so the troops can feel appreciated as they go back to mind their own country's business.
juminRhee
How about taking those troops and redeploying them to the Mexican state terror group that kills and terrorizes civilians just south of the US border?
OssanAmerica
Do you believe that South Korea has conducted itself as an "ally" of Japan? I remind you of the radar lock incident, and the continuing refusal to allow JMSDF into SK because of an objection to the Japanese Naval Ensign.
Peter14
American troops are there because past Presidents wanted to ensure South Korea was not taken over and made Communist by the North. The current President does not care about the spread of Communism so does not understand why America should have to pay anything for its troops stationed there. In other words, like in all things, Trump does not see the big picture.
Trump's limited intellect, unable to focus on anything but himself for more than a moment, fails to understand that US troops are there as much for a democratic free world, one that the US used to be the leader of, as much as for protection of South Korea itself.
The fall out from the US domestic election result of 2016 continues to damage the free world. We can only hope for a correction of that error in 2020.
South Korea already pay's a fair amount for US troops stationed on it's soil. A demand for a 500% increase is a way for Trump to pull out the troops and leave the South a juicy target for Communist takeover. What that meas for Japan is that its closest military ally by distance will be gone and the closest by distance will become Australia. Also it brings Communist Korea much closer to Japan and makes the danger from that direction much more serious.
OssanAmerica
Alliances are formed because different nations share a common security concern. US allies care about US interests because it serves their own interests. And of course the reverse is true.
Toasted Heretic
Tbf, there's not many countries (aside from the US) that care about US interests. And that's the way it should be.
Kaerimashita
Delusional. US military in SK not very popular (bit like Okinawa) so there will be no political appetite to pay more. This is one area where I kind of agree with DT - US should just get out of all these anachronistic arrangements.
OssanAmerica
Don't see why my tax dollars need to go to defending South Korea when they couldn't care less about US interests. The US-JPN-SK alliance exists to counter NK and China. If South Korea is switching sides just say so.
vanityofvanities
South Korea is not a wealthy country. Their economy is now in trouble. The export oriented country has a population of 50 million. Their domestic consumption is limited. The exports dropped sharply recently due to the dwindling world economy, tariff war beween China and U.S. and by the trouble with Japan. It seems Moon does not care about U.S. Forces there. His mind is inclined to the unification of South and North Korea.
JJ Jetplane
Its going to be hard to get them to pay more when the President lauded the previous deal to the point you would believe that South Korea go completely taken advantaged of