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Philippines' Duterte says police can kill 'idiots' who resist arrest

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He does have a point. Whatever the reason for the police to try and talk to you, detain you, arrest you - if you brandish a weapon in order to prevent them from doing so, and often times it's a gun the person is firing against the officers, the officers have no courtesy to lay down their guns and leave you be.

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Duterte's War on drugs has so many anomalies. Kian was executed by three cops with two gun shots at the back of his head. How can that be a defense shot? He was a suspected drug runner and what's the police's basis for this accusations? Social Media! Now how can we assure that these 12,000 filipinos killed by Duterte's campaign are really drug dealers or not? Duterte is a monster!

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Crazy leaders are in fashion this summer.

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Human rights abuser. I know there is a serious crime problem, but killing suspects?

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Duterte's War on drugs has so many anomalies. Kian was executed by three cops with two gun shots at the back of his head. How can that be a defense shot? He was a suspected drug runner and what's the police's basis for this accusations? Social Media! Now how can we assure that these 12,000 filipinos killed by Duterte's campaign are really drug dealers or not? Duterte is a monster!

Yeah, yeah, ok chump. Now go suck your poppies.

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He does have a point. Whatever the reason for the police to try and talk to you, detain you, arrest you - if you brandish a weapon in order to prevent them from doing so, and often times it's a gun the person is firing against the officers, the officers have no courtesy to lay down their guns and leave you be.

No he doesn't. It's a free rein for the cops to blow away anyone they like and claim 'resisting arrest' afterwards. After all, who is to contradict them when the only other witness is dead?

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Hope he remembers his own words when they inevitably come for him.

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Well, they do it in America.....

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The Asian Trump.

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Duterte's murderous regime has all the hallmarks of turning into the types seen in Chile, Argentina and (to a lesser extent) Brazil some 40 years back.

It's gone beyond a police state now; it's a murder state.

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In America, many police wear bodycams now

Delos Santos was dragged by plain-clothes policemen to a dark, trash-filled alley in northern Manila before he was shot in the head and left next to a pigsty, according to witnesses whose accounts appeared to be backed up by CCTV footage.

But if plain-clothes policemen are off-the-clock.........

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The key phrase is "Violently Resist Arrest"... I guess if you're trying to arrest someone who thinks by Killing you they can run away would could as such as situation.

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Robert S Abenz

Yeah, yeah, ok chump. Now go suck your poppies.

so that's all you can say???

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mmwkdwToday  05:09 pm JST

The key phrase is "Violently Resist Arrest"... I guess if you're trying to arrest someone who thinks by Killing you they can run away would could as such as situation.

It is a poorly-trained LEO who doesn't understand the principle of de-escalation. If a suspect appears likely to be violent to other people, I will not dispute that deadly force may be necessary. But if the suspect is only being violent to get away from the police, then a competent officer needs to de-escalate the situation, not escalate violence to deadly violence.

Any LEO needs to ask themselves: fundamentally is their purpose to exercise power over others or is their purpose to support the rule of law. LEOs who decide on the former have no place in free societies and LEOs who choose the latter need to understand how to use deadly force as a truly last resort.

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@katsu78 - faced with an existing Drug epidemic, and a rising threat of Islamic Extremism... I think he's doing what needs to be done. Pacifists are those who got us into this situation in the first place!

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It is a poorly-trained LEO who doesn't understand the principle of de-escalation. If a suspect appears likely to be violent to other people, I will not dispute that deadly force may be necessary. But if the suspect is only being violent to get away from the police, then a competent officer needs to de-escalate the situation, not escalate violence to deadly violence.

Any LEO needs to ask themselves: fundamentally is their purpose to exercise power over others or is their purpose to support the rule of law. LEOs who decide on the former have no place in free societies and LEOs who choose the latter need to understand how to use deadly force as a truly last resort.

In principle, I agree completely with your position but I think it is very important to understand that this is the Philippines we are talking about. This is a nation of vendettas, blood feuds and revenge killings. This is a culture of machismo and personal honor, corrupt politicians, crime lords with private armies, political violence, crushing poverty and just about any other social ill that you can think of. The Republic of the Philippines is a Third World country and, at times, life there can get pretty rough and tumble.

I've witnessed Philippine cops demonstrating the principle of de-escalation like you described, and with good results. They looked pretty competent so I'm assuming they had training. I've also witnessed what happens when someone shoots at the cops. Once the bullets start flying any and all training the cops might have had about de-escalation and negotiation are out the window. By shooting at the cops, the soon to be victim, not only insulted their personal and professional honor but challenged their very manhood.

Enculturation trumps training every time, at least in the Philippines.

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mmwkdwToday  04:15 am JST

Pacifists are those who got us into this situation in the first place!

Read my post again. Did I say anything about pacifism? Of course I didn't. So why are you bringing it up under the false pretense that it is relevant to anything I said?

It is a standard rhetorical straw man among people who dislike questioning the status quo to equate the choice not to commit violence in one situation where it is not warranted with a total commitment to pacifism. Please do better than that.

Kuya 808Today  06:53 am JST

[A pretty good post]

It sounds like you think the Philippines are a special case where the rules don't apply (or where culture doesn't permit the rules to apply). All I can say is that provides all the more reason to make the rules apply. A person doesn't count as an LEO if at the first sign of trouble/cultural influence they decide it's okay to be lawless.

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mmkwdw

faced with an existing Drug epidemic, and a rising threat of Islamic Extremism... I think he's doing what needs to be done. Pacifists are those who got us into this situation in the first place!

You mean killing innocent victims like Kian? is the right thing to do???

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faced with an existing Drug epidemic, and a rising threat of Islamic Extremism... I think he's doing what needs to be done. Pacifists are those who got us into this situation in the first place!

Death squads? Extrajudicial activity? Really; that's the answer is it?

How did pacifism lead to all this, do tell.

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