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Republican senators push sanctions to warn Putin not to meddle in U.S. elections

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By Pete Schroeder

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Nice work by Congress. Do what the wet noodle President lacks the courage to do.

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it is so wein from USA to even mention the interference since the USA has interfered in Russian political life from bottom up since the Gorbachow coming to power. Besides Russia USA is interfering in just about every countries election and politico economic direction. They do not deserve any respect. USA is a foremost bully and most atrocious world wide oppressor. Putin saved Russia from American planed dismemberment and takeover but is not determined enough to tell them to step back in to their monkey cage and stay put there. Some most uncivilized people of developed world live in and run USA.

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Russia is and should be extremely interested in US politics as their existence depends on a "stable" US and stability in Europe and the Middle East. Their access to the rest of the world depends on stability.

Both political parties in the US is aware that US too is heavily involved in "interference" within other countries electronically and otherwise. They know too that sanctions, economic sanctions really do not work especially when the internet is involved.

So "pointing fingers" and calling each other "names" is but a political ploy and positioning to advance their own objectives.

The "real" thing is when both leaders actually meet and have a dialog. The rhetoric and "posturing" is not as important as what was actually discussed and what action may result from it.

It is time to wait and observe what action each leader takes now and how that will affect the world. Trump did not name Obama as "weak" but as a "lousy" leader. Strength and weakness are in the eyes of the beholder and the environment within which it is declared.

The US President is undoubtedly the most powerful individual in the world in all respects. It is in "how" that is used by a President that makes a difference.

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Nice work by Congress. Do what the wet noodle President lacks the courage to do.

Killing Russians in Syria, offering Europeans US natural gas, arming Ukraine with the latest weapons, arming Poland and soon the Baltic States, keeping sanctions on the Russians, not bad for a noodle President. Lol

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not bad for a noodle President. Lol

Audience bursts out laughing after GOP Senate candidate says Trump is ‘standing up’ to Russia

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/398274-audience-bursts-out-laughing-after-gop-senate-candidate-says-trump-is

Republican Senate nominee Corey Stewart (Va.) was interrupted by audience laughter during a debate on Saturday after saying President Trump “stands up” to Russia.

He was attempting to attack Kaine’s responses to acts of Russian aggression during the Obama administration, such as when Russians shot down an aircraft over Ukraine, or invaded Crimea.

“We have a president who is standing up to the Russians,” Stewart said.

He was met by loud laughter from both the audience and his opponent.

(end)

People laugh at your position.

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The invitation was issued as a distraction, as is at least half of the information released by the WH - it's flak, agitprop and disinformation from the Ministry of Truth. This is another empty gesture for the empty suits of the GOP, beacuse they can posture w/o taking any risk that it will ever become a motion, much less a bill.

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It would be nice if Republicans like Rubio showed that they cared about America when they voted on bills rather than just writing empty op-ed pieces while voting to enrich the rich and letting the poor languish.

The first step is to acknowledge we have a foreign actor (in several ways) serving as president. And he has no interest in eliminating this activity.

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Still seems to me that evidence of Russians trying to hack computers in US is not the same of evidenced of trying to rig a US election.

This is more of the same scaremongering by military and intelligence community to get more money.

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That’s fine and all but isn’t it just a little bit late??

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"Nice work by Congress. Do what the wet noodle President lacks the courage to do."

Pffft! Trump's already done more against Russia than Obama did in 8 years. Now I know you don't like to watch educational videos, Super, but you'll read articles, right? Here's one that will enlighten you - if you dare!

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/397212-president-trump-is-tougher-on-russia-in-18-months-than-obama-in-eight

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"President Donald Trump holds a second meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin after the U.S. leader came under heavy criticism for failing to confront Putin about interference in the 2016 election"

Where's the evidence? Oh yeah, that's right, we're supposed to just take Dan Coats' word for it. I mean other than those laughable Facebook ads, lol.

Oh my...

Tucker to Dem: Where's evidence that Trump is a traitor? ( hint: there isn't any )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdkdaiprTEY

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Serrano: "Pffft! Trump's already done more against Russia than Obama did in 8 years."

FOX sure is glad there are still suckers out there, friend.

"Tucker to Dem: Where's evidence that Trump is a traitor?"

Hahahaha!! You quote the mentality unstable bigot Tucker as proof? (and I like how you had to add the "hint: there isn't any" after just to measure yourself!).

"Where's the evidence?"

It's undisputed fact, serrano, even Gowdy, Rubio, and all the GOP admit it. Man you guys would buy unicorns from Trump if he sold them, and then you'd say it was okay if he didn't actually want to give them to you but to keep them on his secret unicorn farm.

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Pffft! Trump's already done more against Russia than Obama did in 8 years. Now I know you don't like to watch educational videos, Super, but you'll read articles, right? Here's one that will enlighten you - if you dare!

Yeah he slow walked a few slaps against Russia that were demanded by members of his administration or Congress, but he has also done way more for Russia in 18 months than Obama ever did.

Undermining NATO? Check. Declaring trade wars on US allies? Check. Abandoning US global leadership on almost everything? Check. Trying to get Russia back into the G7/8? Check. Providing financial support to Moscow based prostitutes willing to perform pee pee shows? Check. Making the US the laughing stock of the world by being its president? Check.

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Serrano: Pffft! Trump's already done more against Russia

Audience bursts out laughing after GOP Senate candidate says Trump is ‘standing up’ to Russia

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/398274-audience-bursts-out-laughing-after-gop-senate-candidate-says-trump-is

Republican Senate nominee Corey Stewart (Va.) was interrupted by audience laughter during a debate on Saturday after saying President Trump “stands up” to Russia.

He was attempting to attack Kaine’s responses to acts of Russian aggression during the Obama administration, such as when Russians shot down an aircraft over Ukraine, or invaded Crimea.

“We have a president who is standing up to the Russians,” Stewart said.

He was met by loud laughter from both the audience and his opponent.

(end)

People laugh at your position.

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the U.S. intelligence community concluded Russia interfered through cyber attacks and social media in a bid to boost Trump's candidacy.

Hey, is this the same "intelligence" community that concluded that Saddam was amassing WMDs and that he handed Atta Anthrax in Prague, and the many other lies that has led the US to countless wars?

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""Where's the evidence?"

"It's undisputed fact, serrano"

No it's not, smith. It's still just the intelligence agencies' claims. Show us the evidence, smith. Can't? Yeah, because it hasn't been presented.

"“We have a president who is standing up to the Russians,” Stewart said. He was met by loud laughter from both the audience and his opponent.

(end)

"People laugh at your position."

Yeah, Super, uninformed people or people who refuse to acknowledge facts.

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Trump and the American people have every right to question these inept intelligence agencies. Trump 2020.

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I can see some Trumptards out here commenting and asking for evidence! The evidence is already there but their lack of intelligence will never enable them to see clearly! They rather sell the US to Russia and commit the act of treason rather than hear or say anything against their ‘ best president ever ‘ ...

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The evidence is already there, is it, MikeH? Where??? Show us ! Details, please!

No can do? Oh my...

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The evidence is in the indictments. Give them a call and they will bring the evidence to you.

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There is no evidence in the indictments. Just allegations.

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Allegations supported by evidence. Unlike yours.

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Alternative evidence. Meh.

Judging by the volume of posts from the Trump Cult extremists today, I'd say their backsides are twitching like a rabbits nose in mating season.

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Well black says Trunp has all the classified evidence but refuses to release it. Serrano says we shouldn't believe anything until the classified evidence is put in front of us.

I think I'll side with Serrano on this one. Black, Serrano wants to see your evidence.

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Killing Russians in Syria, offering Europeans US natural gas,

Russia control Syria , America wont change that, Russia supply Europe far more gas than the US every will.

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an indictment is not evidence, it is the charges.

How can a federal indictment be used in court?

An indictment legally is not evidence. This means that jurors are not permitted to rely on the indictment to conclude that a defendant is guilty. Nevertheless, it is common for lay persons to be swayed by the allegations in an indictment. Some federal judges have a practice of allowing the jury to read the indictment during deliberations, on the theory that this will help the jury understand the charges. The judge will still instruct the jury that the indictment is not evidence and may not be considered in arriving at a verdict.

http://www.burnhamgorokhov.com/criminal-defense-resources/federal-criminal-process/federal-indictments-faqs

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To understand the evidence against Russian interference in US political processes is simple for some things and subtle for many others.

The simple things:

Russians bought advertising on social networks seen by 100+M Americans. That is fact and easy to understand.

Russians didn't register as political organizations, in violation of US election laws. That is fact and easy to understand.

Russians post as far-left and far-right politically active Americans highly decisive ideas.

When it comes to internet hacking, the vast majority of Americans, especially politicians, just don't have the background to understand the subtle techniques used.

On August 9-12 in Las Vegas, the world of hackers will meet at a conference called DefCon. You don't sign up in advance. You pay US$280 cash at the door. Nobody will ask your name. When you attend with any networked devices, expect to be hacked. It is attended by criminals, Feds, and private hackers alike.

Just before Defcon, also in LV, is the Blackhat training conference. This is for people wanting to learn the skills needed to penetrate systems and get away with it. https://www.blackhat.com/us-18/training/schedule/ has some of the training topics. There are classes on many topics, Deception and another on Adversary Tactics Detection, as examples. Anyone who pays can attend, but only someone with 10 yrs of post-graduate experience will be able to follow the classes. The skills are as much an art as a science, sorta like rocket science or brain surgery.

There are some famous stories of OpSec failures from everyone - govts, companies, individuals - who all were caught by making a tiny mistake that was noticed. The longer any group does these things, the more data they leave behind. That data becomes like a fingerprint, because people tend to reuse stuff that worked last time.

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Black: An indictment legally is not evidence. 

No one said it was. But you can't get an indictment without presenting evidence.

Your side has no indictments because you have no evidence. Our side has lots and lots of indictments.

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Serrano: No it's not, smith. It's still just the intelligence agencies' claims. Show us the evidence, smith. Can't? Yeah, because it hasn't been presented.

Funny you weren’t critical of the evidence quoted by the Bush administration as pretext for war in Iraq; even after the war. You thought the invasion of Iraq was a great idea going on and on about “Saddam and his winsome sons blah blah blah”. Now the current President is spinning (and in aside Trump called the war YOU supported a huge mistake.. ouch!) and you’re again blithely going along with the president you voted for. Again... Can’t say you have much of track record.

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"I think I'll side with Serrano on this one. Black, Serrano wants to see your evidence."

Super, I want to see your evidence. Tick tock, tick tock...

gcbel Everyone makes mistakes. I've already fessed up to that one on that globalist Bush ordering the toppling of Saddam and his winsome sons.

Let us know when you have evidence of Russian meddling on the scale of the Chinese.

By the way, you should acknowledge that during Obama's 8 year presidency ISIS was flourishing in Iraq and Syria, and after a year and a half of Trump they've been pretty much sidelined.

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A pair of prominent Republican U.S. senators said on Sunday that the United States must move promptly to prepare new sanctions against Russia to discourage interference in upcoming elections.

You really have to laugh at the cheek. The USA, the number one manipulator of elections worldwide (by fake news and hacking or by violence, usually all three), is upset at Russia for daring to try that themselves?

If Americans had a sense of humor, they would be laughing at this. Zealots, sadly, lack humor.

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Everyone makes mistakes. I've already fessed up to that one on that globalist Bush ordering the toppling of Saddam and his winsome sons.

Comes a point you should stop making them.

Let us know when you have evidence of Russian meddling on the scale of the Chinese.

After wasting dozens of posts explaining why you were wrong about the Iraq War (which is a primary cause for ISIS) before you “fessed up”, I’m more inclined to let the next guy you vote for explain why the previous guy was wrong.

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Serrano - I've already fessed up to that one on that globalist Bush ordering the toppling of Saddam and his winsome sons.

You cheered it on blindly from the build-up in '02 until the day Obama took office. And then blamed Obama. And then joined the Cult of Trump.

Textbook Independent Republicanism. Only Wolfpack does it better. Don't expect to be taken seriously, ever.

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"Everyone makes mistakes. I've already fessed up to that one on that globalist Bush ordering the toppling of Saddam and his winsome sons.

gcbel: "Comes a point you should stop making them."

Pfft, I could just say look who's talking. But let's just say we disagree on Trump. And, oh yeah, by the way, do let us know when you have actual evidence of serious Russian meddling in the 2016 election, and no, that doesn't include those pathetic Facebook ads. Same goes for you, Madverts.

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If Russia had really influenced the electorate through Facebook, etc., why didn't the polls show it? Why was Hillary still considered to win a landslide according to the polls on the day before the election? It's all BS.

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Pfft, I could just say look who's talking. But let's just say we disagree on Trump

I guess you could say that but I wasn’t wrong about the biggest foreign policy blunder as dixit your Trump. You were. For years. You only fessed up because you had nowhere to go. Again, why don’t you just wait until the next president tells you what to think.

And now supposedly Trump isn’t denying Russia meddled so, are you wrong or is Trump? Oh, and did you read the indictments? A yes or no will suffice.

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Serrano says we shouldn't believe anything until the classified evidence is put in front of us.

The problem with showing some of the evidence is that it like will burn your source of that evidence. If you have someone inside providing corroborative evidence and show your hand, that guy is dead, literally.

The Dutch NSA equivalent govt group hacked into Russian hackers and watch them work for months. They saw multiple large scale attacks launched against enemies of Russia and trouble makers for Putin.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/01/26/dutch-media-reveal-country-to-be-secret-u-s-ally-in-war-against-russian-hackers

The western ally hacked surveillance cameras inside their offices so Russian individuals performing the work are known.

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It's all BS.

Not according to our intelligence agencies and the Senate / House investigations. Why would you be so shocked that people might actually believe them?

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@gcbel Yes I'm aware that some Russians have been indicted for hacking the DNC and the Clinton campaign. I'm not saying the Russians didn't meddle in the elections, I'm saying they didn't do anything which would even come close to overturning the results. Trump has said he told Putin any meddling will not be tolerated, which Obama did.

Hey, maybe we can get the Russians to help us stop the Democrats from rigging in the mid-term elections, lol.

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