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© (c) Copyright Thomson Reuters 2019.Hong Kong police fire tear gas, water cannons at petrol-bomb throwing protesters
By Jessie Pang and Alun John HONG KONG©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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WilliB
I suspect the petrol bomb throwers are mainland infiltrators.
Jimizo
That’s not what ‘any other nation does’. In many countries, protests are illegal and dissenters, never mind rioters, are dealt with without due process. Are you supportive of this?
The ideal you are setting up sounds like rule of law. You are influenced by what many see as a ‘western’ idea of rule of law. Some cultural relativists see that as a ‘colonial’ mindset.
Strangerland
If they don't stop the violence, break laws, and they are criminals, what? You didn't finish the sentence.
Do you mean that if the protestors don't stop the violence, break laws, and they are criminals, the CCP should execute them in the streets, in a repeat of the execution of the protestors in the streets by the CCP at Tiananmen square in 1989?
Strangerland
What does that have to do with the question? You keep asking questions, but never answer any.
So let us know:
1) Do the HKers not deserve to have the freedom to choose their leaders, and the freedom to be free of human rights violations?
2) If they do not stop protesting, should the CPP execute them in the streets as they did with the protestors at Tiananmen square?
bass4funk
You mean, I should respect the mainlands forceful authoritative stance to stomp out peoples rights? I’m talking fundamentally about something every human being as the right to have.
Maybe if the Beijing wouldn’t come up with that foolish extradition law (which makes no sense) which the goal is to bring in any person Beijing feels is a threat to the political system can imprison them without due process or rights whatsoever. By the way, how’s it going with the Uyghurs and respecting their rights? What’s going on with that? If they start to treat the people of HK the way they’ve been treating the Uyghurs then I pray the people of HK don’t give an inch to Beijing.
Akie
Strangerland, if they don't stop violence, they break laws, and they are criminals.
rlperez@hotmail.com.au
Strangerland: "Freedom to choose their leaders of course."
And if the rioters are given a vote and don't agree with the outcome will they again have the freedom to RIOT?
The people in Puerto Rico don't get to vote for the US President; should they riot? Are you supporting their rights and freedoms?
"And if the protestors don’t stop, do you feel they should be executed in the streets as the CCP did to the protestors at Tiananmen Square?"
As any other nation does with RIOTERS, they should be arrested, charged and if guilty goaled.
Akie
bass4funk said "The right to speak out, the right to dissent, the right to criticize their government, the right choose the path of life they want and how to live it undisturbed."
Use your right in your own territory, and respect international laws and other's rights.
bass4funk
The right to speak out, the right to dissent, the right to criticize their government, the right choose the path of life they want and how to live it undisturbed.
Assange is a completely different story. Manning and Snowden both US citizens committed acts of treason by selling/giving information to our adversaries, a treasonous act. The people in HK have done NO such thing. They are Not asking for anything other than for Beijing to leave them alone and not take away their way of life for almost 100 years. That’s what they want and should absolutely have.
Strangerland
And if the protestors don’t stop, do you feel they should be executed in the streets as the CCP did to the protestors at Tiananmen Square?
Strangerland
heh nice dodge.
Freedom to choose their leaders of course.
Freedom from oppression of their human rights of course.
Do you feel that they should be denied these rights and instead be forced to bow to the CCP who will deny these rights to the people of HK?
rlperez@hotmail.com.au
Strangerland: I have given examples of the freedom they have to travel in an attempt to get support for an insurrection, and their freedom to create the havoc they have been creating. What more freedoms do they want? Why should China give them more freedoms than the US has given Manning, Snowdon and Assuage?
What freedom do they want?
Strangerland
Of course that's not what I was talking about.
Again I ask, are you suggesting that HK has no right to freedom simply because they haven’t previously had it? I’m not seeing the logic in that statement.
Should the be denied democracy simply because they didn't previously have it? Should they be required to live under the tyrannical CCP simply because they used to be controlled by a different country?
rlperez@hotmail.com.au
Strangerland: "Are you suggesting that HK has no right to freedom simply because they haven’t previously had it?"
The ring leaders of these RIOTS still have the freedom to travel the globe (the US, Australia, Japan, Malaysia, Taiwan, Germany, England..) trying to rally support for their insurrection. They still have the freedom to speak out against the Chinese authorities and they still have the freedom to vandalise public infrastructure, attack police, ignore the law, damage private properties and interfere with normal public life, so it is unclear what freedom they want. No nation gives its citizens freedom to do has they see fit and to selectively choose which laws they obey. Lets not forget that Chelsea Manning was, and is again in goal, for exercising her freedom of speech and denouncing US war crimes. Lets not forget that Snowdon and Julian Assuage are being chased around the globe by the US for exercising their freedom of speech and exposing US war crimes. And let not forget that the US has a extradition agreement with HK.
What do theses RIOTERS want?
Strangerland
Are you suggesting that HK has no right to freedom simply because they haven’t previously had it? I’m not seeing the logic in that statement.
Strangerland
So do you think the CCP should step in and execute these protestors in the streets as the CCP did at Tiananmen Square when they murdered all the protestors there? They executed thousands of protestors in the streets that time. Should they also execute thousands of protestors in HK?
Strangerland
Will this be another Tiananmen squirted massacre? Will the CCP again execute protestors in the streets for fighting for their freedom?
Why do our CCP supported avoid answering these questions? Hmmm?
Chip Star
These are mainland Chinese agitators.
Chip Star
There would be a lot of mainland agitators in Hong Kong jails.
Akie
Terrorists are terrorists. Arrest one if there is one, arrest two if there are two, as simple as that. Protecting terrorists, promoting terrorists, supporting terrorists, defending terrorists, are all wrong and crimes against humanity.
rlperez@hotmail.com.au
Strangerland:
So the police all around the world should join RIOTERS when the RIOTERS disagree with the law? Is this what happens where you live; when the people disagree with a particular law they just riot and the police join them? Let us all know in which nation this happens. Not in the US, not in Spain, not in France, not in India, not in South Africa, not in Greece, not in the UK. Independence should have been discussed at the time the UK handed back HK to the Chinese, but, in fact, the people of HK were glad to see the back of their UK masters. Again, I recommend reading the history of HK during British rule.
Strangerland
Join their people in the fight for freedom instead of bowing to their CCP overlords.
rlperez@hotmail.com.au
kurisupisu:
Should the British also send troops to Kashmir, France, Greece, South African and the other African nations? There are riots in all these nations. What about the protests in England?
Strangerland
I wonder if we’ll have a part two to the Tiananmen Square massacre, in Hong Kong. Will China execute more protestors in the streets for fighting for freedom, like they did at Tiananmen Square?
Strangerland
Then you can understand why they would not want a repeat with China.
rlperez@hotmail.com.au
How does any police force react against petrol bomb throwing rioters? The police reacted appropriately against RIOTERS that attacked them with metal bars, bricks, concrete and damaged public infrastructure. In which nation do the police stand by and allow this rioting? We keep hearing about "peaceful" protests but these are violent riots, not just attacking the police but other members of the public. About time China took control and stopped being intimidated by the West and its media. China should follow how India took control of Kashmir.
Strangerland
Ahh China talking about violence even though they’ve never reckoned with their violence at Tiananmen Square.
China used violence then. Does this mean China will be crushed Akie?
rlperez@hotmail.com.au
How do the police react in any nation against petrol throwing rioters? How do the police react in any nation against violent, infrastructure damaging rioters?
rlperez@hotmail.com.au
kurisupisu: The people in HK were treated the dame by the British; they had no voting rights and when they protested against British rule, they were quelled by the British army. Learn some history.
kurisupisu
The UK needs to send in the troops!
albaleo
I'd like to think you're wrong, but I really don't know.
One problem with violent protest, when looking from afar, as most of us are probably doing, is not knowing the level of support for the protesters, and also not knowing exactly what they are fighting for.
Wouldn't organizing a labour strike be more effective than street protests? If you can't get others to strike, that might indicate the support is not so strong. (Just thinking aloud here. And also worrying about the consequences of throwing petrol bombs.)
ClippetyClop
Getting crushed in front of the world's cameras might be their only hope, as sad as that sounds. HK could lose their freedom, their prosperity, or both. I have no idea how this will end.
CrazyJoe
PRC.
Open Minded
@ CrazyJoe
What military superior opponent are you talking about?
The opponent is a super power insidious propaganda brainwashing and people control machine.
Ricky Kaminski13
Agree, the minute the enemy of China is anarchy and not democracy it’s game over.
CrazyJoe
If you use violence, you’re going to get crushed.
Respond to harmful behavior with non-violent civil disobedience as much as possible against a military superior opponent.
Norman Goodman
Except it never works. Nobody comes to anybody's non-violent rescue. The authorities either laugh at you or beat you over the head. MLK would have gotten nowhere without Malcolm X threatening to turn Black America into an army...not to mention King got shot to death before real change happened....and the U.S. is a far cry from China. And Ghandi would have gotten nowhere without the Japanese threatening the British Empire.
If the people of Hong Kong want freedom, they are going to have to shoot their way into it. I hope they can get the armaments to do so. They better look to Taiwan....another fine example of what it takes to be free.
Ricky Kaminski13
May wanna go easy on the petrol bombs there. It’ll play right into the hands of CCP propaganda machines. Smart, civil, nonーviolent action is the best approach. Even when dealing with thug regimes.