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© (c) Copyright Thomson Reuters 2019.As House impeachment looms, Senate, Trump grapple over next moves
By Richard Cowan and Susan Cornwell WASHINGTON©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
104 Comments
plasticmonkey
What a patriot.
Strangerland
Hmm, constitutional lawyers say there is.
Internet poster says there isn't.
I guess the internet poster has more credibility, right?
Right?
SuperLib
Name a single instance when you discredited an opinion by saying they are biased for being a Republican or Republican donor.
Just one.
Strangerland
The Hilary Haters have been trying to punish America ever since America decided they despised trump waaaaaay more than Hillary in 2016. Literally every action of theirs since then has been payback for the people choosing Hillary. They don’t even like trump, they just hate Hillary. Pantsuit woman bad.
SuperLib
So when Trump gets let off the hook for selling out our country and ally for personal gain I'm guessing he will have learned his lesson and won't ever do it again.
Either that or other world leaders will start lining up to buy Trump at our expense.
Hmmmm...could break either way I suppose.
Strangerland
I suppose we could go and dig up eight years of obstruction by your team against Obama to show just how much a joke anyone on tour team making the above comment is.
Chip Star
That’s not required for impeachment. You went from cheering the dems because this would bury them to complaining about it overnight. You come across as worried.
Stranger handled this nicely. Where did you go to law school, Burning? Liberty University? Trump University?
plasticmonkey
Trump wants to prove his interest in corruption wasn't just about the Bidens . . . by getting testimony from the Bidens.
You can't make this stuff up.
Strangerland
Pshaw, Republican testimony. Therefore proven untrustworthy.
And it’s fake news anyways.
why do you believe fake news? You pretend to be discerning.
Numan
Too funny. GOP is trying to buy people to give false testimony against Joe’s son and the guy gets arrested. Only the GOP is that xxxxxx. Their party no longer represents the party of truth and justice. The people supporting them are getting fed lies by Fox Entertainment (not licensed to be a news outlet) and other conservative biased outlets who don’t care about the damage they are doing to the country as long as they can get people to watch what they peddle.
By the way:
Oh, my.......
Chip Star
Yes, because we want to prompt hyper-partisanship instead of bipartisanship.
takeda.shingen.1991@gmail.com
Pot meet kettle, mang. lol You don't get to call others stupid when you support a buffoon who has difficulty coherently throwing together any more than two or three sentences.
Numan
@Black
Devin Nunes said:
GOP said:
Nice try though!
Chip Star
No defense except disparagement. Very telling.
No, we’re going for impeachment.
Is Horowitz for or against Donny? You people are all over the place depending on whether someone speaks well or ill of Donny. What’s it like to have zero integrity?
SuperLib
Yep.
Oh, Donald. No. The GOP will make this decision for you since you'll screw it up. Just lie to the American public and that's all that's needed from you.
Strangerland
In bubble land. Not in reality.
Strangerland
And even if he said something like that, he’s a Republican. Clearly a liar whose words cannot be trusted. And anything he accused was not a crime anyways.
sheesh. Talk about a witch hunt.
SuperLib
Well we had a half dozen diplomats with nearly a hundred years' experience who work closely with the situation saying there was quid pro quo. And then there are the notes from the call, and of course Mulvaney saying it happened to the entire world. All of that would be considered evidence.
A good example of there being "zero evidence" would be claims against Hunter Biden, that millions of illegals voted, that Obama was born overseas, Deep State, that Ukraine tried to influence our election, etc.
Either way, if there's zero evidence of wrongdoing in your mind I'm once again curious as to why you said he used bad judgement and acted improperly if you're not talking about putting himself above country. Did he act improperly in some other way?
Strangerland
Umm, you always go on about wanting honest discussions and you don’t even know what impeachment is or how but works.
This is why we can’t have nice things.
stormcrow
Hey Russia! If you're listening, could you help Trump and the Republicans again? You know they're in your corner, so could help them get through these impeachment hearings. After all, Trump and the GOP are more Russian than American now.
Chip Star
So could republicans. I fail to see any substantive reply to my post.
Numan
As to whether Trump should be impeached, former Congressman Bob Inglis said that Republicans should try to think about what they would do if the president were a Democrat.
:)
Chip Star
That there was no political bias in the decision to spy on Carter Page.
Numan
@Blacklabel
Trump Misleads Rallygoers on IG Report, Impeachment
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/12/trump-misleads-rallygoers-on-ig-report-impeachment/
Let's see....
And......
Chip Star
And then you hear Donny utter a single sentence and you’re plunged to another new level of stupidity.
Chip Star
Yes, it all started with Democrats when Donny was elected. How intellectually honest of you.
Numan
A pretty accurate summary of all the GOP, Trump, and administration excuses for not impeaching the president.
WATCH: ‘Daily Show’ Mocks GOP’s Shifting Impeachment Excuses in ‘Trump Club’ Ad Parody
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-daily-show-mocks-gops-shifting-impeachment-excuses-in-trump-club-ad-parody/
takeda.shingen.1991@gmail.com
Apparently you forgot the 25th Amendment. Congress has the right, indeed responsibility, to remove this self-dealing crook.
Numan
@Blacklabel
IG Horowitz said the Investigation was started correctly based on FBI procedures at the time...BUT...he ALSO said FBI procedures were TOTALLY MESSED UP and needed to be reformed!
That's pretty much what Mueller said. Yet, as in this case, Trump claimed vindication.
A total of thirty-four individuals and three companies were indicted by Mueller's investigators. Eight have pleaded guilty to or been convicted of felonies, including five Trump associates and campaign officials.
On May 29, 2019, In a press conference, Mueller stated that "If we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that.
Strangerland
And yet he’s a life long Republican. Making him clearly biased and therefore clearly cannot be trusted.
Strangerland
...unless you want to believe a proven liar. Which, Republicans do.
Strangerland
Nah, those are just the lies they are telling in the bubble. You should get out more!!
Strangerland
He literally placed 100% of the blame on republicans. Not 99%. Why would I not like that?
lincolnman
And once Bolton tells us about the "drug deal" and Rudy let's us in on his "insurance policy", Donnie will need to update his address from Mar-A-Lago to Rikers Island...
Sure, as Donnie yucked it up with his Master's Foreign Minister yesterday...."Mr Lavarov, sir, could you ask his most honorable and distinguished President Mr Putin to please not interfere in our elections in 2020? Except as we planned at the three Summits we've had where the the notes were all destroyed?"
And there is this new thing called MAGA-Vision goggles where once you put them on, Trump's head appears on Stallone's body - just like in real-life...
Take off your MAGA-vision goggles - he already has...
Uh, who on this very site called Sondland a "hero", then 24 hours later after he testified, called him "scum"?
lincolnman
Graham 2016: "I think he's a kook, I think he's crazy, I think he's unfit for office, and I'm a Republican and he's not"...
I see you enjoy eating crow...
Turley: "The call was anything but perfect"... Even Repubs own witness think the call is a problem.
One more Lindsey-ism from 2016: "Any person who says George Bush is responsible for 9/11 is not a Republican, they're an extremist, they're crazy"...
Well, we know Ted's favorite show now....wonder which one he thinks he is?
As I said yesterday, every day its the same...
52 U.S. Code 30121; Contributions and donations by foreign nationals, which prohibits "solicitation" a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election.
Chip Star
It’s not uncommon. You guys love holding other people to standards you don’t apply to yourselves.
Strangerland
Untrustworthy:
1) Ubdeserving of trust or confidence; undependable; Unreliable:
2) Republicans in America.
lincolnman
That's a little off...
2016: If you can't beat 'em at the ballot box, send multiple campaign officials to meet with Russians (Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Sessions, Papadapolous, Page, Stone, et al) to have Russia interfere in the election and harm your political opponent...
2019: If you can't beat 'em at the ballot box, shakedown a foreign government by withholding needed military aid until they launch a bogus investigation into your political rival...
There, fixed it for you...
Chip Star
*promote
Chip Star
Numan: You’re wasting your breath presenting facts. Try pop holes aren’t interested in facts or logic, which means they deserve scorn.
Toasted Heretic
Lots of MAGA-vision goggles being worn today.
Very aggressive talk. Yesterday it was "wiping out" progressives and now it's all about crushing the liberals.
This is what happens when Trumpists get frightened. They lash out, advocate violence and beat their chests in order to intimidate those who wish for America to be restored and rescued from their avarice and bigotry.
CrazyJoe
How does Trump do it? He is the weakest "leader". The man spends his days whining like a baby, acting like the world's biggest victim. I've seen 2 year olds who moan and whine less than he does. What the heck does his base see in him? There is nothing presidential about him and he has no leadership qualities I can see. I am shocked daily by his supporters.
Strangerland
Hmm, believe constructional lawyers who have passed the bar, or anonymous internet poster.
mhmm guess you gotta believe the internet hack.
Seem legit.
lincolnman
Sure, Bolton loved being called a "disaster" by Donnie - by the way. do you agree with Donnie - was Bolton a "disaster" as NSA?
Another hard-hitting Trumper reply... Also, did Donnie tell Lavarov to get out of Crimea?
Sondland: “Was there a quid pro quo?...The answer is yes.”
So Rudy was running a shakedown and QPQ - did Donnie direct it, through his personal lawyer Rudy?
Chip Star
Good thing an element of impeachment isn’t that the act constituted a codified crime.
Strangerland
Yes, by duly impeaching him under the same rules in which he was duly elected.
Numan
@Blacklabel and @BurningBush
Jonathan Turley also said a few years ago:
Oh, my.............
Numan
Not to mention, also Barr and Trump can't distract with the Russian probe.
Opening speech of Horowitz at the impeachment inquiry part 3:
That doesn't make Trump or his personal lawyer Barr very happy.
SuperLib
So do you still think Trump acted improperly and used bad judgement or have you folded yet?
There's no law against not answering, but if you choose to go off topic kindly start a separate post that doesn't reference my question so we can have an entirely different conversation.
Numan
It is wonderful because it shows his legal views are not based on the law or facts but on his political affiliations.
He had the same view for 20 years once again defending his opinion a few years ago, but suddenly flipped when it was a Republican president being impeached. Republican witness, right?
How convenient for the Trumpers?
No, worries! All the other legal experts with better credentials testified that Trump committed an impeachable offense.
@Blacklabel, where did you get your law degree from again?
Blacklabel
I know we are on the right path when CNN refuses to televise the opening statement of Horowitz testimony then won’t even put the story on the main page of the website.
when liberals can’t refute they just omit.
Blacklabel
Gordon Sundland basically bought his ambassadorship by being a Republican donor. That’s not good.
OkinawaZ
I love Trump!!
I've been a solid supporter since 2016. I donated then, and did this year already to his campagne handsomely also. Whatever I can do to push the agenda I will. I am wealthy enough to give part of my finances, even if that equates to only 2 to 3 additional votes via more funding for ads.
I just KNEW he was going to trigger all the highbrow faux intellectuals out there. They control the media narrative, they fill and validate the hive minded pearl clutchers out there.
He's getting my vote in 2020!
Blacklabel
He didn’t vote for Trump. Didn’t donate to Republicans. Maybe he “evolved”
Blacklabel
So the low threshold was met to “open” the investigation. Everything after that is the problem. FISA process was abused, exculpatory evidence hidden. He also said he can’t “rule out” political bias.
no one involved is vindicated.
Blacklabel
The FISA process here was not used appropriately, properly, and the rules were not followed," Horowitz testified. Though he didn't accuse FBI officials of intentionally abusing the FISA law, he said investigators "certainly misled the court" by omitting exculpatory information from four applications for surveillance. The FISA court ultimately approved all four warrants against Page.
cant rule out political bias:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqzu5lU7n0M
Blacklabel
Sondland was a hero for testifying as to what he presumed was correct. Unfortunately his presumptions were wrong.
I at no time called him “scum”. Just noted his presumptions were incorrect, as non fact based thinking often is.
still Bolton? You sure have high hopes for that guy. Why not Subpoena him?
Blacklabel
Yeah too bad liberals set this precedent that being unable to prove an allegation after years of investigation doesn’t mean someone is “exonerated”. Poor Comey.
we will see this again after the Senate trial is over and Trump is not impeached. He won’t be considered as cleared or exonerated or found innocent by liberals.
Blacklabel
I anticipate as many Dems as possible will be allowed by Nancy to vote against impeachment in the House to protect them in 2020. But voters know they really support it anyway.
bass4funk
Sondland: "Right. Never heard those words."
Goldman: "Well, let's move ahead..."
Serrano
Graham: "I think as an American the best thing we can do is deep-six this thing,"
If the House comes up with the votes to impeach, this will indeed be deep-sixed in the Senate, as it is DOA.
This is lose-lose for the Democrats now. If they don't come up with the votes next week... oh my!
And if they do, the Senate trial is going to be delicious.
No, worries! All the other legal experts with better credentials testified that Trump committed an impeachable offense.
Yeah, the other three legal experts are educated idiots. We saw more of those that Schiff trotted out the week before too. And you don't need a comma between "No" and "worries."
Oh my...
FBI EXPOSED: Lindsey Graham Details Massive FBI Bias Against President Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yaPqs1u9nE
Cruz on spying: This wasn't Jason Bourne, this was 'Beavis and Butt-head'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ny0GtrO2E4
Blacklabel
"neither "abuse of power" nor "obstruction of Congress" is a recognized federal or state crime. (The separate charge of contempt of Congress, according to the DOJ's Office of Legal Counsel, exempts the president for separation-of-powers reasons.)"
Blacklabel
So you plan to impeach a guy who didn’t even commit a crime now?
what happened to treason, bribery and impeaching the “criminal” Trump and jailing the “criminal” Trump after he loses in 2020?
now he’s not even a criminal?
this is getting beyond sad.
Blacklabel
Plus Dems already saying they don’t mind to impeach him more than once and even after he is re-elected. What a joke.
arrestpaul
The elected Democrats have been promising an impeachment ever since they finally realized that Hillary could (and did) fail in her 2nd attempt to become POTUS. Schiff repeatedly claimed that he had seen evidence of Trump/Russian collusion. I guess Schiff must have misread, or mislaid, his own evidence, because he didn't produce any hard evidence to back up his claim. Schiff's efforts did produced enough hearsay hot air to kick the global warming thermometer up a notch, all by itself. Nadler had hoped that by having a 3 to 1 edge in constitutional scholars, no one would notice that Nadler's witnesses couldn't actually make a case for impeachment.
After three, very long years, of listening to elected Democrats whining about how badly their feelings were hurt by Hillary's 2nd loss, presidential-wanna-be Pelosi has allowed her Democrats to proceed with just two articles of impeachment. One of them suggests that anyone who expects to use the judicial branch to insure their own Constitutional Rights must be held guilty of obstruction of justice, or obstruction of Congress, or obstruction of Hillary's reign. It's important to note that elected Democrats did not want to present their subpoena claims before any court.
arrestpaul
Elected Democrats have done the best job that can be expected of them, such as it is. Unfortunately for those elected Democrats, they seem to be un-able to move the poll numbers, or sway the public.
Serrano
So you plan to impeach a guy who didn’t even commit a crime now?
You bet! We can't beat him in an election even with most of the media and the wildly popular Barack and Michelle Obama opposing him, so let's impeach him!
Hey Russia! If you're listening, could you help Trump and the Republicans again?
Trump didn't need any help from the Russians in beating Hillary despite her claims that she lost due to "Russian Wikileaks" lol.
How do you plea Mr. President? Guilty or not Guilty?
Trump: Impeach this!
The Durham report is coming.
TICK TOCK
bass4funk
He watches the Dems jump off that cliff and then goes “Beep, Beep!”
As if Schiff a model for calmness and rationality.
Someone who wants to demolish the Washington establishment in a very nasty and unapologetic way. That’s a great thing.
The haters will definitely think that. In the meantime, the House Democrats need to update their resumes.
bass4funk
We already covered that. But it has nothing to do with the Dems impeaching this President on the most flimsiest of charges.
bass4funk
Liberals keep pushing that baseless narrative with zero and I mean, zero evidence of that.
I am more concerned with liberals learned her lesson and it seems like they never do, never.
The way liberals are mouthing off about Russia, I am starting to wonder if it’s them that’s really working for the Russians pushing this. Seems plausible.
Blacklabel
That’s his exact testimony today.
Blacklabel
Seems the impeachment got Trump wins for the USMCA trade deal and also got us everything we wanted for the National Defense Authorization.
To include removing all the progressive nonsense demands from it. Wall funding not blocked. No reversal of transgender ban.
keep your eyes on that impeachment ball while we keep winning behind your back. Comey and his cabal not found guilty (yet) but not exonerated either.
bass4funk
...that won’t happen by the time that gets through the courts this whole thing will be done probably by the end of January, remember the Senate Democrats have a campaign to run.
What?
Uh, who on this very site called Sondland a "hero", then 24 hours later after he testified, called him "scum"?
Sondland: "When did what happen?"
Jordan: "The announcement! When did Pres. Zelensky announce that an investigation was going to happen...When did that happen?"
Sondland: "Never did."
Jordan: "Never did!"
Sondland: "I never heard from President Trump that aid was conditioned on an announcement of [investigations]."
Goldman: "So you never heard those specific words."
Sondland: "Right. Never heard those words."
Goldman: "Well, let's move ahead..."
WilliB
So waitasec. This whole Shiff show is based on the claim that corruption in Berisma must not be investigated, because the Biden family is involved in Berisma.
Has anybody ever pointed out that that in itself confirms that Berisma paid 80,000 US/month to Biden simply as protection money? Regardless what Biden Jr. did or did not do for the money (apparently nothing, except lend his name), this protection certainy works. Berisma is protected from investigation because there is a Biden involved. Yep, seems a pretty good investment to me.
bass4funk
Hmmmm....judging by the polls and how they’re not moving really and will be in the opposite direction, it would be safe to say the Democrats testimony was proven unworthy
bass4funk
Well, The liberals are trying to crush this President and his policies by overturning the election of a duly elected President.
Nervous???? Why? Looking at the recent polls, the cry for Impeachment of people now “against” it is about 53%. Time to pop the bubbly.
And yet when you go on YouTube and Google liberal violence you have 5-12 pages of liberals attacking conservatives and calling them ever name in the book.
bass4funk
Ok, but he won’t be convicted or removed, but I do thank Pelosi for strengthening his political power. Thanks Nance!
That won’t happen. The Dems are already on thin ice, especially the Freshmen House Dems that won in Trump States, they might not even vote on this farce. She can only lose 17 and this thing is over and do these freshmen Dems really want to ruin all that hardwork and years of sacrifice to get to where they are and lose it over this farce? I seriously doubt it.
Blacklabel
You just don’t like what he said. You love lifelong Republicans Mueller and Rosenstein, Cohen and Sondland, right? Or is what they said not to be trusted?
Blacklabel
There is a new thing called television where I can see for myself his testimony. Then another thing called YouTube where I can show it to you when you obviously didn’t see it but still feel to comment anyway.
no bubble here. The power of moving pictures with audio on a screen.
arrestpaul
Why am I not surprised? Republicans wouldn't have thought of it, but they certainly can now, thanks to the dramatic efforts of elected Democrats to establish such a ridiculously low bar. If you can't beat 'em at the ballot box, spend the next three years desperately trying to impeach 'em.
Blacklabel
IG Horowitz: The activities we found here don't vindicate anybody who touched this.
so now that justifies Comey and McCabe and Strzok being fired, no? Or is it still “obstruction”?
Blacklabel
No it was supposed to prove exactly what it did prove. Now those go to to the already assigned prosecutor. They also justify the firings as job performance related.
arrestpaul
That's what I've been saying all along.
bass4funk
Pretty much, but hopefully once he settles into his second term, the Dems will come to their senses.
Even after he’s gone, conservative policies will still override and crush all this liberal outrageous policies. Now that he achieved a historic confirmation of 50 YOUNG judges to the appellate courts, regardless of what happens, for the next 40 years minimum they’ll have to be patient.
Blacklabel
Democratic donor constitutional lawyers handpicked by the Dems do. Now what about everyone else?
you really should just go to a censure and move on. Horowitz testimony just killed your narrative even more.
Blacklabel
Doesn’t matter if Horowitz for or against. In fact anyone who isn’t viciously anti-Trump is best that can be hoped for these days.
he blew your whole “innocent, no bias, nothing happened” headline right out of the water. Comey said it’s all lies and he is vindicated. Ummm nope.
bass4funk
There’s no way on God’s green Earth that a Trump lie can match anything close to Schiff and the House Democrats, he’s not that good at it compared to these people.
Blacklabel
That’s wonderful. Now do what he said a few weeks ago about this case.
Blacklabel
Actually Horowitz is a Democrat. Try again.
bass4funk
Don't worry, Durham will get to the bottom of l this nonsense. Horowitz also said that the findings does not exonerate Comey. Hope the guy has a good lawyer.
arrestpaul
The Democrats could attempt to impeach a President simply because that President has hurt their collective feelings.
arrestpaul
That's probably why he is a former Congressman. Better luck next time, Bob.
Blacklabel
One Dem congressman even said Trump has to be impeached because his kids are sad in the family group chat. New levels of stupidly daily.
WilliB
Strangeland:
Where do you that from? Even on the propaganda channel CNN I did not hear anything that outlandish.
This IG report was supposed to shine light on the 2016 trickery of the FBI, which it did say was wrong. So it simply proved Trump right.
Blacklabel
Jonathan Turley went to Georgetown. Is that insufficient?
bass4funk
Interesting, more people Goggled Peloton than watched this boring farce and a new poll came out 51% of Americans overall don’t want him impeached. Decent and rational thinking Liberals and Non-Trump supporter intellectuals like professors Turley and Dershowitz both agreed this is going to backfire, unconstitutional and nothing good can come out of rushing this. As I’ve always said, liberals are definitely not the smartest tool in the shed when it comes to this. But at least they’re making him politically stronger, so that’s a positive sign.
bass4funk
he’s also very limited in his scope of what he can obtain on facts, that’s where Durham ans Barr will take over.
And they all got shot down by Turley: "If you make a high crime and misdemeanor out of going to the courts, it is an abuse of power. It's your abuse of power You're doing precisely what you are accusing the President of doing. We have a third branch that deals with conflicts of the other two branches.
But hey, the Democrats want to dig that hole, I definitely won’t stop them.
arrestpaul
That has been obvious ever since the Democrats gave birth to their resist movement, and their impeachment debacle, three years ago.
bass4funk
Facts? Well, here’s a fact, we can all get on with our lives and poke fun at the Dems once Trump is not convicted or removed.
arrestpaul
You're admitting that they chose to spy on Carter Page.