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Biden calls Trump divisive: 'Is this who we want to be?'

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By Jarrett Renshaw

Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden on Tuesday blasted President Donald Trump's response to U.S. protests over racism and police misconduct, vowing to try to heal the country's racial divide and not "fan the flames of hate."

Speaking in Philadelphia – a city rocked by sometimes violent demonstrations in recent days – the former vice president sought to draw a vivid contrast between himself and Trump, whom he will face in the Nov 3 general election.

Biden, who served eight years as vice president under Barack Obama, the first black U.S. president, cast himself as the candidate who best understands the longstanding pain and grief in the country's black communities.

He said the killing of George Floyd, the African-American man who died at the hands of Minneapolis police last week, was a"wake-up call" for the nation that must force it to address the stain of systemic racism.

"We can’t leave this moment thinking we can once again turn away and do nothing," Biden said. "We can’t."

He accused Trump, a Republican, of turning the nation into"a battlefield riven by old resentments and fresh fears."

“Is this who we want to be?" he asked. "Is this what we want to pass on to our children and grandchildren? Fear, anger, finger pointing, rather than the pursuit of happiness? Incompetence and anxiety, self-absorption, selfishness?”

Biden was particularly critical of Trump's visit on Monday to a historic church across from the White House, which was preceded by law enforcement authorities dispersing a crowd near the church with smoke canisters and flash grenades.

"We can be forgiven for believing that the president is more interested in power than in principle,” said Biden, who accused Trump of "serving the passions" of his conservative base at the expense of the rest of the country.

Biden pledged he would "not traffic in fear or division."

Biden, 77, has been under pressure from young African-Americans and other progressives to aggressively address racial and economic inequities in the country - and he has been increasingly talking in terms of sweeping societal change.

His long history in the Senate, where he authored a now-heavily criticized crime bill in the 1990s, has at times complicated that effort, sowing some mistrust among activists.

At the same time, he has been mindful of condemning the looting and violence that has marked some of the protests.

Trump campaign senior adviser Katrina Pierson accused Biden in a statement after the speech of making "the crass political calculation that unrest in America is a benefit to his candidacy."

Trump on Monday called the violence at the protests "acts of domestic terror" and threatened to deploy the U.S. military to secure the nation's cities.

Biden's speech on Tuesday at Philadelphia's City Hall marked the first time he has left his home state of Delaware since mid-March, when the outbreak of the novel coronavirus forced him to halt in-person campaigning.

While Biden had made public appearances in Delaware in recent days and convened a virtual conference of big-city mayors on Monday, Tuesday's speech suggested he may soon begin to again move about the country as states slowly re-open.

Biden formally launched his White House bid in Philadelphia last year, and it's where his campaign headquarters - currently empty because of the pandemic - is located.

The city was also the birthplace of the U.S. Constitution, which Biden cited in his speech as support of the right to peacefully protest.

"Our freedom to speak is the cherished knowledge that lives inside every American," he said.

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I watched the whole speech, and for the first time in weeks, I feel like there could end up with someone in the White House who might just make some headway in fixing the issues ripping the country apart.

Damn fine speech, Joe Biden.

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Where Trump goes, chaos follows.

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Biden calls Trump divisive

And Trump's supporters encourage his divisiveness. White nationalists recognize the demographic changes happening in the US and know Trump's their great hope, probably their last hope. They're desperate, they want to increase the divides in the country knowing by doing so it makes it easier for Trump to conquer the 'others'. They're even willing to let 'foreign' powers 'meddle' to support their cause. Especially the 'foreign' power whose demographic makeup is most similar to theirs.

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Old Joe never missing an opportunity...)

I see why they call him sleeply Joe...its like he has to think before making a complete sentence...like there is a missing link in the coherence of his speech

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Are you equating white nationalists with white people? (Well of course the non Democrat party members only, Dem voting whites are a-ok!)

How many "white nationalists" do you people in the internet think America actually has? (let me guess, all white people who voted for Trump and some of the black ones too)

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@Black

Are you equating white nationalists with white people?

Not all white people are white nationalists, but all white nationalists are white people or at least believe that they are white people!

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(let me guess, all white people who voted for Trump 

As a white person I would never equate white nationalists with white people. That's one individual's interpretation twisting what I wrote. But I won't get dragged into a one pole or its opposite, no middle positions argument. They're discussion enders, a tactic partisan extremists have long used.

That Trump is unwilling to distance himself from white nationalists can also be interpreted in many ways, including he needs their support.

From what I read roughly 67% of white American males voted for Trump. Given how many millions did and how large that population is I assume within that group there are many who might oppose white nationalism.

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so how many actual white nationalists are there in the USA? I would say likely 3,000-5000 at most?

Yet there are supposedly the ones who Trump looks to for votes and support to get reelected? Every decision he makes is supposedly with them in mind, huh?

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I watched the whole speech, and for the first time in weeks, I feel like there could end up with someone in the White House who might just make some headway in fixing the issues ripping the country apart.

Damn fine speech, Joe Biden.

It doesn't take much to be a good leader or speaker these days. The current occupant in the WH has lowered the bar quite a bit.

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why would he need the support of such a minimal number of people? How could that few people even provide support that would be worth anything? Support from people who no one outside of themselves agrees are correct in their way of thinking or their actions?

including he needs their support.

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The bigger hypocrisy is Joe Biden and Democrats giving speeches to the black community about how they were going to improve their lives for the past 50 years!

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Such encouragement from Joe...promoting the 1st amendment. Contrast that Trump who mentioned the 2nd

I feel so safe now...Joe got your back, but let the protesters continue with violence, after all, its their first amendment right.

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I would say likely 3,000-5000 at most?

Those who've long posted alternative facts have long lost any credibility they might have had.

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Well done, Mr. Biden. Thank you.

So folks in the streets with assault rifles and confederate flags are "fine people," but peaceful unarmed protesters who happen to be in the way of a Trump photo op should be gassed and shot with rubber bullets.

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@Black

I would say likely 3,000-5000 at most?

During the 60s, there were around 4 million open KKK members. That is more white nationalists than the number people that Hillary Clinton beat trump by in the last election!

Now most white nationalists hide their identities and hangout on websites like Stormfront that get 43 million views a day.

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so how many actual white nationalists are there in the USA? I would say likely 3,000-5000 at most?

Since you want to minimize the impact, let's look:

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/the-facts-on-white-nationalism/

"In an ABC News/Washington Post poll taken just after the Charlottesville rally in August 2017, 9 percent of the respondents said they thought it was strongly or somewhat acceptable to hold neo–Nazi or white supremacist views. As ABC News reported at the time, that’s equivalent to about 22 million Americans."

So no, it's definitely not '3000-5000 at most.'

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Biden calls Trump divisive: 'Is this who we want to be?'

I believe that is what Hillary Clinton said during the last election.

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@onedragon

I believe that is what Hillary Clinton said during the last election.

So she was right again? And most people who were on the fence last time can now see it for themselves!

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So she was right again? And most people who were on the fence last time can now see it for themselves!

Yep!

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I watched the whole speech, and for the first time in weeks, I feel like there could end up with someone in the White House who might just make some headway in fixing the issues ripping the country apart.

You must have missed this:

Trump delivers remarks after SpaceX, NASA launch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBWtotlQf70

Damn fine speech, Joe Biden.

Nah, Biden is a fool. These people have it right:

Joe Biden 'doesn't have a winning message'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWTDS5w9Bys

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And Trump's supporters encourage his divisiveness.

No, they want him to stop the lawlessness if these liberal governors and mayors won’t do their job to defend life and property.

White nationalists recognize the demographic changes happening in the US and know Trump's their great hope, probably their last hope.

As do the Anarchists who are mostly “white.”

They're desperate, they want to increase the divides

They do, that’s why both sides are a cancer to the nation, but since the majority of these thugs are Anarchists and looters the only way to stop this is to send the military in.

in the country knowing by doing so it makes it easier for Trump to conquer the 'others'. They're even willing to let 'foreign' powers 'meddle' to support their cause.

Democrats did so when dealing with Steele.

Especially the 'foreign' power whose demographic makeup is most similar to theirs.

Iran, China....

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@Bass

No, they want him to stop the lawlessness if these liberal governors and mayors won’t do their job to defend life and property.

Not all of trump supporters!

Lancaster officials say armed agitators, white nationalists inciting violence at George Floyd protests

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/06/lancaster-officials-say-armed-white-nationalists-inciting-violence-endangering-local-protesters-and-police.html

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Not all of trump supporters!

Ok, so one article to the thousands of white anarchists that are running amok, I see.

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Ptownsend

Those who've long posted alternative facts have long lost any credibility they might have had.

Thanks for acknowledging that. Are you saying you are going to change and look outside your bubble?

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@Zaphod

Thanks for acknowledging that. Are you saying you are going to change and look outside your bubble?

Glad to hear that you accept that you are what PTownsend has described.

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Is Joe Biden really proposing any practical solutions, to what is frankly viewed as an incendiary, fast deteriorating state of lawlessness?   

Joe Biden previous attempts do not inspire confidence.

Biden on the 1994 Crime Bill.

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/07/biden-on-the-1994-crime-bill/

In really, Joe Biden assertion/pledge he would "not traffic in fear or division", advocating sweeping societal change. Could well be weasel words, in essence to coin a phrase, a political dog with different fleas.

oe Biden had the opportunity when in office. How did that work out?

I think that is a question Biden needs to address.

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@Bass

Ok, so one article to the thousands of white anarchists that are running amok, I see.

Oh my........

A white supremacist group infiltrated Tampa's George Floyd protest last night

https://www.cltampa.com/news-views/local-news/article/21135700/a-white-supremacist-group-infiltrated-tampas-george-floyd-protest-last-night

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@Bass

Oh, oh...........

A white supremacist channel on Telegram encouraged followers to incite violence during police brutality protests by 'shooting in a crowd,' according to internal DHS memo

https://www.businessinsider.com/white-supremacist-telegram-channel-encourages-violence-george-floyd-protests-2020-6

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I'd ask our resident right wingers here this:

Should black people accept the status that you have imposed on them for centuries?

In fact, isn't looting quite a sane and measured response to the horrors they have had to put up with?

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Iran, China....

And the US. All three countries killing and locking up their peoples.Hopefully we'll see more risings in each of these countries.

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No, its still theft. a crime. performed by criminals. of any race.

In fact, isn't looting quite a sane and measured response to the horrors they have had to put up with?

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There has been no slavery since 1860s. What "status" are you implying that black people have?

To my knowledge, Joe Biden is even using black skin color as not only a qualifier, but a necessity, for potential the 2nd highest job in the USA.

Should black people accept the status that you have imposed on them for centuries?

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I can't see a single point in Biden's speech that isn't divisive. No different to Trump.

Black/white, rich/poor, have/have nots, left/right etc....America will continue to be exploited by divisive politicians on both sides of the fence.

But IMHO, Trump is going to loose this one in going all egotistical 'I'm a strong leader', I'll send in the military ....blah blah. This is a battle of Police vs People, more people vote than police, basic algebra, Trump will loose a lot of votes. I'm just surprised NO ONE, not a single politician has said they stand for 'full federal investigation' into police powers and indemnity. Police brutality is the norm, seems to me, despite the protests, all US politicians would prefer for police brutality to stay as the norms.

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blacklabel: so how many actual white nationalists are there in the USA? I would say likely 3,000-5000 at most?

Steve King, a white nationalist representative from Iowa, has been reelected every term since 2002. My guess is that would take more than 3,000 Americans spread across the country.

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Should black people accept the status that you have imposed on them for centuries?

Of course not, BUT we are not talking about the peaceful protesters, they should protest most definitely, but we are not talking about these people, we are talking about the violent and vicious thugs that vandalize, riot and loot, we are talking about the anarchists that every single one of these fascist needs to be rounded up and put in prison for a very long time.

In fact, isn't looting quite a sane and measured response to the horrors they have had to put up with?

Absolutely not! How is destroying another persons business is justified. Liberals need to think deeper.

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I believe politically 2019/2020, a devastating pandemic, the present horrendous break down in law and order, that frankly can only be viewed as the aftermath/repercussion of a violent death of a black man seemingly alleged at the hands of a police officer will determine decisively Novembers Presential Election.

I have never visited the US. I can only form an opinion, through my US friends, contacts, and the media.

Is Joe Biden really Presidential material, any more or less that President Trump.

For many JT contributors, that is undoubtably a silly question.

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There has been no slavery since 1860s. What "status" are you implying that black people have?

That's one perspective; it depends on definition and what the word connotes to individuals. This author has a different view. He claims in parts of the US south prior to WW2 there were still people living under some form of what he calls 'slavery'.

https://www.amazon.co.jp/Slavery-Another-Name-Re-enslavement-Americans/dp/1531885330

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 He claims in parts of the US south prior to WW2 there were still people living under some form of what he calls 'slavery'.

Peonage. The book goes into horrifying detail.

An essential and shocking book. I'd recommend it to those who have any interest in how America got to be where it is now.

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bass: Of course not, BUT we are not talking about the peaceful protesters, they should protest most definitely

Colin Kaepernick did that. He was branded a traitor.

Any other "conditions" that you want to put on your acceptable peaceful protesters?

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 we are talking about the violent and vicious thugs that vandalize, riot and loot, we are talking about the anarchists that every single one of these fascist needs to be rounded up and put in prison for a very long time.

I agree. The police and ruling classes have brutalized and looted from the poor for far too long. It's time they were jailed and atone for their sins.

Absolutely not! How is destroying another persons business is justified. Liberals need to think deeper.

Yes, it's true. Liberals need to come off the fence, because they are aiding and abetting the conservative agenda to keep black people in their place. They need to radicalize, otherwise the system will be stacked against the marginalized forever.

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What people fail to appreciate is the significance of our beloved president , trump action yesterday.

He walked more than a few meters without a break.

He held a book.

trump probably would not remember when he did both of these last time.

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@Black

There has been no slavery since 1860s. What "status" are you implying that black people have?

You are right! The US has on been a country for 400 years. For the first 256 years, slavery was legal. The next 100 years after that Jim Crow laws and the KKK made it legal to segregate and discriminate against African Americans. It has been only 60 years since African-Americans were given equal rights during the civil rights movement. Most of the Black Civil Rights leaders were killed by white men.

Too my knowledge, the US system was designed to be racist towards POC particularly African-Americans.

Are you saying racism has ended or doesn't exist in the US?

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I have never visited the US. I can only form an opinion, through my US friends, contacts, and the media

It's a fascinating place. I have found it to be welcoming, contradictory and harsh. Basically, it's a third world country but with a thin veneer of gloss. It exports and champions the rich and those who profit out of it. It's only times like this we get to see what it's really like.

If more money was diverted away from pointless military adventures and interfering in other countries, it might have a chance.

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Are you saying you are going to change and look outside your bubble?

If the question is will I follow Qanon, Colonel Lang sic semper. Breitbart, RT, Fox ‘news’, infowars, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, any other in the fringe, kook media. probably not. I can’t support them or their cabales (sic)

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@Black

There has been no slavery since 1860s. What "status" are you implying that black people have?

Oh my.........

George W. Bush says it remains a 'shocking failure' that African Americans are 'harassed and threatened in their own country'

https://www.yahoo.com/news/george-w-bush-says-remains-212443160.html

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Trump and the Repubs are going to be routed out in Nov in a landslide...Americans just have to look back at the last four years and see;

Over 100K Americans dead and 41 million out of work...

An economy that is a smoking hole and will take years to rebuild...

Mass protests and violence by far-right white supremacist and militia groups...

The US no longer a leader on the world stage by withdrawing from treaties and international forums...

A polarized society fed by hate-speech directly from the White House...

So, who will Americans blame? Maybe they'll agree with a certain Candidate for President in 2016 who when asked if George Bush was responsible for the 9/11 terror attacks said...."it happened during his reign"....

We all know who has "reigned" over the past four years...

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For those of you, who (for whatever reasons) have gaps in your knowledge of history, this is  the writer Barrett Holmes Pitner from 2 years ago:

However, following the abolition of slavery, laws similar to the slave codes continued to oppress black people.

Following the Civil War, these "black codes" had the explicit purpose of depriving newly freed black Americans of the rights they had won. Black codes varied from state to state, but their legal foundation centred on vagrancy laws that allowed for an African American to be arrested if he was unemployed or homeless. They applied to countless blacks because housing and employment opportunities for freed blacks in the South were almost non-existent after the war.

Supporters of Virginia's Vagrancy Act of 1866, one of these measures, stated that it would reinstitute "slavery in all but its name".

White Southerners would report blacks for vagrancy, and law enforcement would arrest them and sentence African-Americans to up three months of forced labour on public or private lands.

The federal government fought against black codes during Reconstruction by electing former abolitionists and freed blacks to public office, and creating laws and adding amendments to the US Constitution to protect the rights of black Americans.

But following the collapse of Reconstruction in 1877, Southern states brought them back. Black codes became the bedrock of state constitutions. Poll taxes and literacy exams to prevent African Americans from voting soon became the norm. Jim Crow and racial segregation, which governed the South until the 1960s, are outgrowths of those laws.

As black families fled the South in the 20th Century during the Great Migration, black codes followed them to Los Angeles, Chicago, New York and elsewhere. Black Americans - who were domestic refugees fleeing state-funded terrorism - allegedly brought crime, unemployment, vagrancy, and drugs. Police departments across America responded with more black codes and aggressive policing of black communities.

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I stopped reading right here.

The US has on been a country for 400 years.

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as are non black people. so what is this "status" that Black Americans are supposedly held in against their will?

George W. Bush says it remains a 'shocking failure' that African Americans are 'harassed and threatened in their own country'

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as are non black people. so what is this "status" that Black Americans are supposedly held in against their will?

I'm shocked at the ignorance of the American right. It's like a refusal to see any facts, or context that might challenge their entrenched views.

The whole system is deliberately stacked against the poor. Black people, in particular are the worst hit from the legacy of generations of prejudice.

From healthcare, to education, from employment to basic human rights. And yes, all this happens (look at Flint) under successive administrations - no matter who is in charge.

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It's a fascinating place. I have found it to be welcoming, contradictory and harsh. Basically,

Most of the minority cities are.

it's a third world country but with a thin veneer of gloss.

Not where I live, go to Orange County, San Diego, Napa, North Las Vegas, Dallas, it’s a paradise.

It exports and champions the rich and those who profit out of it. It's only times like this we get to see what it's really like. 

So being rich is bad, but looting and stealing is good? So hard work shouldn’t be criteria to prosperity

If more money was diverted away from pointless military adventures and interfering in other countries, it might have a chance.

Then we would have what we are having now, complete anarchy.

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why is it immediately assumed that black people are poor?

The whole system is deliberately stacked against the poor. 

Even Biden said this "poor kids are as bright as white kids". Where does this come from?

From healthcare, to education, from employment to basic human rights

Black Americans have the same healthcare from their employment as everyone else of any race at that job has. Education, there are grants and scholarships restricted only to Black Americans, as well as HBCUs which got extra funding from the Trump administration.

Employment, a black American will be the next Supreme Court justice and the next VP, according to Biden. I am aware of no jobs that restrict Black Americans from being hired and some performance based jobs are more likely to hire only black Americans. Basic human rights, I am not aware of any that Black Americans are excluded from having.

sounds good as concepts to say people dont have this or that, but I dont see the reality of it when they do have it.

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I'm shocked at the ignorance of the American right.

I’m shocked at liberals in general.

It's like a refusal to see any facts, or context that might challenge their entrenched views.

Yes, they do.

The whole system is deliberately stacked against the poor. Black people, in particular are the worst hit from the legacy of generations of prejudice. 

Democrat policies have decimated the black community

From healthcare, to education, from employment to basic human rights. And yes, all this happens (look at Flint) under successive administrations - no matter who is in charge.

This is why as long as blacks support and vote for Democrats nothing to change...ever.

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Most of the minority cities are.

You have no idea where I've been in the US. But you automatically assume "minority".

I thought American cities were, y'know, American? But it appears you still are stuck in the segregationist mindset.

Not where I live, go to Orange County, San Diego, Napa, North Las Vegas, Dallas, it’s a paradise.

I've been to rich enclaves (including at least one of the above). Gated communities, angry white people. Hell on earth, but with more sunshine and comfy chairs.

So being rich is bad, but looting and stealing is good? So hard work shouldn’t be criteria to prosperity

You should do some research into how the established big US corporations made their money. They still loot and steal from the little people.

Then we would have what we are having now, complete anarchy.

It's called an uprising. If you actually understood anarchism (especially anarcho-syndicalism) you'd know that it's basically about cohesion and order.

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Democrat policies have decimated the black community

The poorest ten states are by fact, republican.

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In interviews and posts on social media in recent days, current and former U.S. intelligence officials have expressed dismay at the similarity between events at home and the signs of decline or democratic regression they were trained to detect in other nations.

“I’ve seen this kind of violence,” said Gail Helt, a former CIA analyst responsible for tracking developments in China and Southeast Asia. “This is what autocrats do. This is what happens in countries before a collapse. It really does unnerve me.”Helt, said the images of unrest in U.S. cities, combined with President Trump’s incendiary statements, echo clashes she covered over a dozen years at the CIA tracking developments in China, Malaysia and elsewhere.

Marc Polymeropoulos, formerly CIA operations in Europe and Asia, recoiled at images of Trump hoisting a Bible after authorities fired rubber bullets and tear gas to clear the president’s path of protesters.“It reminded me of what I reported on in the third world. “Saddam. Bashar. Qaddafi. They all did this.”

 “As a former CIA officer, I know this playbook,” Rep. Abigail Spanberger (D-Va.) said. Before her election to Congress, she worked at the agency on issues including terrorism and nuclear proliferation.

Former intelligence officials said the unrest and the administration’s militaristic response are among many measures of decay they would flag if writing assessments about the United States for another country’s intelligence service. They cited the country’s struggle to contain the novel coronavirus, the president’s attempt to pressure Ukraine for political favors, his attacks on the news media and the increasingly polarized political climate as other signs of dysfunction.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/cia-veterans-who-monitored-crackdowns-abroad-see-troubling-parallels-in-trump-handling-of-protests/2020/06/02/7ab210b8-a4f6-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html

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Blacklabel:. Employment, a black American will be the next Supreme Court justice and the next VP, according to Biden. I am aware of no jobs that restrict Black Americans from being hired and some performance based jobs are more likely to hire only black Americans. Basic human rights, I am not aware of any that Black Americans are excluded from having.

"Because nothing of these things happen to me."

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I’m shocked at liberals in general.

Good for you. I'm shocked at most of them as well. However, I wasn't talking about liberals, I was talking about the American right.

In particular, the lack of knowledge of their own country's history. My comment was directed to another poster, but perhaps you'd like to comment on the legacy of peonage and how it informs today's narrative?

This is why as long as blacks support and vote for Democrats nothing to change...ever.

Be honest, neither party wants black Americans to succeed in America. It challenges conservative white hegemony.

This is why the riots are happening. It's why they happened in South Africa against the apartheid regime and why it happened in the 6 Counties/NI against the sectarian ruling classes and a brutal police force.

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You have no idea where I've been in the US. But you automatically assume "minority".

I never assumed you were, I just said, the majority of minority cities are dangerous, that’s a fact and that’s due to the depressive deplorable policies of the Democrat party.

I thought American cities were, y'know, American? But it appears you still are stuck in the segregationist mindset.

Mine was y’know American, we were mixed and lived in peace and quiet, racism was never a problem.

I've been to rich enclaves (including at least one of the above). Gated communities, angry white people. Hell on earth, but with more sunshine and comfy chairs.

What do they look like, screaming all day?

You should do some research into how the established big US corporations made their money. They still loot and steal from the little people.

You should read what the Democrats are doing to the black community.

It's called an uprising. If you actually understood anarchism

I do, there is no justification for looting and causing pain to people that have nothing to do with these childish antics.

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I never assumed you were, I just said, the majority of minority cities are dangerous, that’s a fact and that’s due to the depressive deplorable policies of the Democrat party.

Er, I said I'd been to America & gave my reactions to it. You automatically assumed where I'd been.

Mine was y’know American, we were mixed and lived in peace and quiet, racism was never a problem.

Yes, racism was never a problem for the elite (Democrat or Republican). That's why they are so shocked when it flares up like this. Things were so much better when the proletariat knew its place.

What do they look like, screaming all day?

It's ironic you have to ask. Read any of your posts over the last few years?

You should read what the Democrats are doing to the black community.

But that has nothing to do with the suggestion I made about doing some research into how American corporations made their money.

I do, there is no justification for looting and causing pain to people that have nothing to do with these childish antics.

So, if you do know what anarchism is, why call the riots anarchism, when clearly they have nothing to do with anarchism? If you wish to focus on the ideology, for example, the communes of Catalonia, or Mutualism in the US and Europe, or the Levellers and Diggers in England, I'd be interested in seeing how you can draw a parallel between those and the rioters.

Back to the goings on at present, if one has a clear understanding of history of one's country and how it has impacted on the present - surely it's not unheard of people revolting when they've had enough of being serfs? America did have a significant rebellion against her former colonial masters, you know.

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Good for you. I'm shocked at most of them as well. However, I wasn't talking about liberals, I was talking about the American right.

I was talking about the American left and their policies.

In particular, the lack of knowledge of their own country's history.

A lot of people including Europeans don’t understand our countries history.

Be honest, neither party wants black Americans to succeed in America. It challenges conservative white hegemony.

I disagree. The Democrats don’t want, but as far as Republicans go, we don’t know most blacks don’t vote for Republicans so we can’t definitively say.

This is why the riots are happening. It's why they happened in South Africa against the apartheid regime and why it happened in the 6 Counties/NI against the sectarian ruling classes and a brutal police force.

You keep confusing rioting, vandalism with legitimate protesting.

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but yet one party demands their vote. as some type of required show of appreciation to Dems for things never done and a down payment on future promises that never seem to be kept.

Be honest, neither party wants black Americans to succeed in America

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Er, I said I'd been to America & gave my reactions to it. You automatically assumed where I'd been.

You are the one that tried to generalize the country.

Yes, racism was never a problem for the elite (Democrat or Republican). That's why they are so shocked when it flares up like this. Things were so much better when the proletariat knew its place.

No, we were just astounded that the liberal governors didn’t do anything to stop it".

So, if you do know what anarchism is,

Yes, turn on your TV.

Back to the goings on at present, if one has a clear understanding of history of one's country and how it has impacted on the present - surely it's not unheard of people revolting when they've had enough of being serfs? America did have a significant rebellion against her former colonial masters, you know.

Yes and go to the black communities and tell me how the riots of past years helped them or made drastic changes.

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Trump is getting 20% of the black vote.

We can discuss that November 4th as to why it happened, if it doesnt become obvious already by then.

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Former intelligence officials said the unrest and the administration’s militaristic response are among many measures of decay they would flag if writing assessments about the United States for another country’s intelligence service.

But Trump and his supporters have said all along they wanted to undermine US systems. They even welcomed 'foreign' meddling to help bring the country down. They've found it's easy to destroy things, but haven't clue one how to replace it.

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@Black

I stopped reading right here.

You not reading much has been your problem all along!

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when you start with saying the United States has been a country for 400 years, I dont need to read any further.

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Trump is getting 20% of the black vote.

Trump's organizations and their employees pushing alt facts must mean they're at the desperate stage.

No wonder: under Trump's watch nearly 110,000 (and counting) Americans have died from a pandemic he ignored, the economy is rapidly sinking, millions are out of work, millions are standing in foodlines reminiscent of picts from the Great Depression and the country is seeing rioting on a scale never seen before.

Will Trump do a wag the dog in his ongoing attempts to distract from his growing list of failures?

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No wonder: under Trump's watch nearly 110,000 (and counting) Americans have died from a pandemic he ignored,

Thank China and the rioters for that. Looks like that cured the COVID-19

the economy is rapidly sinking, millions are out of work, millions are standing in foodlines reminiscent of picts from the Great Depression and the country is seeing rioting on a scale never seen before.

So what will the Democrat governors do about.

Will Trump do a wag the dog in his ongoing attempts to distract from his growing list of failures?

Because the media doesn’t want to focus on the accomplishments

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Yes, we hear this every single day.

Its just a repetitive talking point by now that has all the meaning stripped from it due to overuse as a political attack.

No wonder: under Trump's watch nearly 110,000 (and counting) Americans have died from a pandemic he ignored, the economy is rapidly sinking, millions are out of work, millions are standing in foodlines reminiscent of picts from the Great Depression and the country is seeing rioting on a scale never seen before.

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Yes, we hear this every single day.

Like 'but liberals'? But there's no denying under Trump's watch so many have died from the virus, many because of his admin's bungling, the economy's crashing - with questionable abilities to ever recover - and the worst rioting the country's ever seen continue. Reality bites.

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"Senate Republicans found themselves in a familiar spot: offering a mix of defiant support for whatever it was that liberals were mad at Trump about, attempts at justification for Trump’s conduct, and plenty of attempts to claim they actually hadn’t seen enough to comment. "

"Majority of Americans disapprove of President Trump's response to the protests and the events in Minneapolis, according to a CBS News poll released Tuesday. The new poll also found that 56% of Americans believe the president tweets divide the country, not unite,"

"Tucker Carlson, the Fox News host, expressed dismay at President Donald Trump’s leadership on Monday, criticizing the president’s handling of mass protests that have engulfed cities across the country and singling out an influential member of his family."

"Carlson, who often uses his show to ardently defend the president and attack Trump’s foes, lambasted the nation’s leaders across the political spectrum for letting protests get out of hand. He also went after Jared Kushner, saying “no one has more contempt” for the president’s supporters than Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser."

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Trump has only five months to try and fix his car wreck with the Covid-19, protests, riots, busted economy. Mass unemployment. Massive food bank lines.

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Trump is getting 20% of the black vote.

Not sure about 20%, could very well be, but it'll be at least 15%.

He won 2016 with 8%. There is no math for Biden or whoever might replace him. His latest speech was a disaster.

But Trump and his supporters have said all along they wanted to undermine US systems.

Drain the swamp, anyone?

They've found it's easy to destroy things, but haven't clue one how to replace it.

Trump and his supporters aren't the ones destroying things, the rioters and looters and Democrat city policies are.

Trump wants to build America up, not tear it down: Sarah Sanders

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wTY4Lqg_Vg

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Because the media doesn’t want to focus on the accomplishments

The media? Not even Fox 'news'? Sinclair Broadcasting? One America News? Limbaugh? Colter?

However, I just read Tucker Carlson among others in the far right press have been highly critical of him. And now some in his military are backing away from him. Rough days.

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our side is allowed to disagree.

the liberals side, you can’t even write a neutral headline without being forced to change it to a blame filled one.

Happened again yesterday with NY Times.

so let me guess? The stock market isn’t part of the economy when it is rocketing up, but is when it’s going down?

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The media? Not even Fox 'news'? Sinclair Broadcasting? One America News? Limbaugh? Colter? 

They have, but not the liberal networks, not quite balanced, eh...

However, I just read Tucker Carlson among others in the far right press have been highly critical of him.

Being critical doesn’t mean you hate the guy, BIG, BIG difference.

And now some in his military are backing away from him. Rough days

Most aren’t, this is what I’m talking about when it comes to The dishonest media.

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@Black

Black wrote:

I am aware of no jobs that restrict Black Americans from being hired and some performance based jobs are more likely to hire only black Americans. Basic human rights, I am not aware of any that Black Americans are excluded from having.

Not knowing doesn't mean it isn't true, and you selectively read what fits your narrative and ignore the rest. so how would you know.

African Americans Face Systematic Obstacles to Getting Good Jobs

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/economy/reports/2019/12/05/478150/african-americans-face-systematic-obstacles-getting-good-jobs/

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However, I just read Tucker Carlson among others in the far right press have been highly critical of him.

Being critical doesn’t mean you hate the guy, BIG, BIG difference.

No, it means Carlson was criticizing him as "weak" - is Tucker correct?

How about his take on Jared Kushner - does Jared hold Trump voters in "contempt" and mock them?

And once again - is Ann Coulter right was she called Trump; "actual disloyal retard", "moron", and "lout"...

Also, Pat Robertson - is he right when he said Trump "isn't cool"...

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@Bass

Thank China and the rioters for that. Looks like that cured the COVID-19

You think 110,000 people died of COVID-19 because of rioting?!

@Black

so let me guess? The stock market isn’t part of the economy when it is rocketing up, but is when it’s going down?

How do you know? Please provide evidence of the is rocketing stock market!

LOL! You do realize the average middle income and low income households don't play the stock market.

What they see is 110,000 people dead, 40,000,000 unemployed including themselves, riots in major cities, and their president constantly lying to them.

A lot of those people on furlough will not be hired back!

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@Numan

"It doesn't take much to be a good leader or speaker these days. The current occupant in the WH has lowered the bar quite a bit."

I'd be happy with complete, coherent sentences at this point. Doubt me? Go read his answer to the nuclear triad. Don't watch it, read the actual text.

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No, it means Carlson was criticizing him as "weak" - is Tucker correct?

No, not at all. Criticizing someone because you feel they are not forceful enough is not implying you are weak, although he did criticize Kushner for being in trumps ear too much, the weak liberal he is. Yeah, I watched it as well.

How about his take on Jared Kushner - does Jared hold Trump voters in "contempt" and mock them?

That was Trucker’s opinion, I wouldn’t know, we didn’t go to lunch this week.

And once again - is Ann Coulter right was she called Trump; "actual disloyal retard", "moron", and "lout"...

Again, Coulter can’t even get booked on any television station these days, so sensationalism is something that she hopes that can help get her back on TV kind of like in the same situation as Kathy Griffin.

Also, Pat Robertson - is he right when he said Trump "isn't cool"...

Robertson is a staunch supporter, but is more of a liberal Christian, he has his views like we all do.

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You think 110,000 people died of COVID-19 because of rioting?!

do you see anyone practicing safe distancing?

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