Deal or no-deal, Brexit's puppet master has more strings to pull

So wait, how would Johnson get around law in order to get a no-deal brexit? Didn’t Parliament and the Queen pass a law banning him from doing this? Seriously, this article should’ve specified how Johnson would be able to do this, because it clearly implies that he is able to do this. Seriously, I wanna know.

So wait, how would Johnson get around law in order to get a no-deal brexit?

Boris can still do the following: He revokes Article 50 which removes the need to ask for an extension and nullfies the law which requires him do so. Then he calls for a General Election. If he win a majority as the polls show, he could then vote for Article 50 again with a mostly pro-Brexit parliament. After invoking Article 50 again, he could announce that the UK is leaving the next day with no deal. (Two years are not needed for Article 50, that is the maximum amount of time you can have before you have to leave)

Then he calls for a General Election.

Except that he can't call an election. He has to ask Parliament and they must vote two-thirds for an election. Which isn't going to happen. Yet.

If he win a majority as the polls show

Which polls are these? Something from Farage's mate at Survation?

@Alfie Noakes

The Conservatives have a 9 point lead on average taken from every single poll conducted by every company this year:

http://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/

If Article 50 was revoked and there was no need for an extension request, Labour couldn't block a General Election for a valid reason.

When asked what his next move would be on Brexit, Cummings told Reuters: "You guys should get outside London and go to talk to people who are not rich 'remainers'."

Cummings went to a public school, Oxford university, owns multi million pound properties and is married to an even richer woman whose family owns a castle. A farm he owns received £235,000 in EU subsidies.

He fired Cabinet Minister's staff without consulting them and without adhering to UK employment law. He deliberately humiliated one woman who had the temerity to speak to an MP Cummings considered the enemy and had police escort her from the building.

He is a mendacious hypocrite and manipulator. David Cameron called him 'a career psycopath'.

Since becoming prime minister just what has Bozo achieved?

United the opposition, for the first time in years they are working together.

United the opposition, for the first time in years they are working together.

Exactly, and proroguing Parliament was the move that made it happen as quickly as it has.

The latest talk is of the DUP being cast aside with an NI only backstop. Johnson is on -45, so the DUP do not matter any more. An amended backstop sets up the possibility/prospect of May's deal coming back, not least because Johnson has boxed himself into not extending in six weeks' time. He has to deliver some form of Brexit. Given the opposition majority, there is a strong chance it will be amended to have a confirmation referendum on it. Farage will have kittens, but is powerless because he has no MPs. The Green Party and Amber Rudd matter more than him. In this scenario, the British people will get the choice between an actual detailed form of Brexit that is 100% possible (the EU have agreed) and remain.

New poll from ComRes

https://twitter.com/Andrew_ComRes/status/1171528933256286208

Should the result of the referendum (i.e. leaving on Oct 31) be respected?

54% Yes

25% No

21% Don't know

(35% of people who voted Remain in 2016 believe the result should be respected)

Without the Don't Knows, 68% believe the result of the 2016 should be respected.

Leaving with a deal wasn't part of the vote.

Leaving without a deal was talked about and even highlighted by Cameron during debates as a possible outcome.

For those who say "No one said No Deal!"

https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1168913733902639105

Who hell is Tom Harwood and what makes him a Brexit expert?

Some geezer from the Guido Fawkes gossip/sleaze site. It's run by a British National Party-linked coke-head chancer called Paul Staines, who used to work in Tokyo, no less. A nasty piece of extreme-right work with some very dubious connections.

https://buddyhell.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/guido-fawkes-dictators-racism-and-hypocrisy/

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2009/05/neocons_pretend/

Waiting for Alfie's comment...

"ComRes!? You mean the company run by blah blah blah...."

Oh, come on. You've linked to Paul Staines, some weird Rees-Mogg twitter support group, a polling firm run by a friend of Farage and another employee of Paul Staines. That's 0 for 4, as they say in cricket.

Leaving without a deal was talked about and even highlighted by Cameron during debates as a possible outcome.

and phaw-phawed by Campaign Leave as just Project Fear.

Meanwhile, Michael Gove was claiming that “There is a free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey that all European nations have access to, regardless of whether they are in or out of the euro or EU. After we vote to leave we will remain in this zone."

Quotes from the VoteLeave website -

we will have a new UK-EU trading relationship. There is a European free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border and we will be part of it. The heart of what we all want is the continuation of tariff-free trade 

Britain will have access to the Single Market after we vote leave

WHAT HAPPENS THE DAY AFTER THE VOTE?

The day after nothing changes legally. There is no legal obligation on the British Government to take Britain out of the EU immediately.

We do not necessarily have to use Article 50 - we may agree with the EU another path that is in both our interests.

No rational government would immediately begin any legal process to withdraw so there is no issue of an immediate use of Article 50

Our guiding principles should be ‘safety first’ and flexibility. There is no need to rush.

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/briefing_newdeal.html

@cleo

You posted many quotes, but I can't see any which are incorrect.

Can you please point out which ones are, with evidence of why?

For example:

*Britain will have access to the Single Market after we vote leave*

We haven't left yet, so how can this be incorrect? It is possible we could have May's deal with access to the Single Market.

Scottish Court has just ruled that Johnson's proroguement was unlawful. This is a good development!

Apparently, no order was issued by the court, so the prorguement remains unaffected for now. It will be sent to the Supreme Court next Tuesday.

@Alfie

Britain Elects is far-right? ComRes is extreme? YouGov is too?

Can you please tell us that the BBC is pro-Brexit again?

Britain Elects is far-right? ComRes is extreme? YouGov is too?

Oh come on, I've never said that. Paul Staines is though, and Rees-Mogg. Would you trust a polling company run by a friend of Farage? I wouldn't and I imagine I'm not the only one.

Can you please tell us that the BBC is pro-Brexit again?

Well if it's not why is Farage on Question Time so much?

Well if it's not why is Farage on Question Time so much?

The BBC isn't pro-Brexit, it's very anti-Brexit.

YouGov survey:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/02/22/bbc-news-pro-brexit-or-anti-brexit

8% of British people think the BBC is pro-Brexit

27% of British people think the BBC is anti-Brexit

The Scottish Courts have declared the prorogue to be illegal and unlawful, Serious move against Bozo.

I bet Cummings didn't plan for that!

I suspect that Cummings will soon be going.

You could say.....Winter is Cumming.

The Scottish Courts have declared the prorogue to be illegal and unlawful, Serious move against Bozo.

Johnson lied to the Queen to get the prorogation, then lied to Parliament. Johnson lies and lies and lies.

An eye-opening passage from the High Court judgment in Miller on prorogation. Claimants' case in London and Edinburgh was that Johnson had an ulterior motive ie Brexit.

Court says even if that's true, it's out of their hands: prorogation can be used for "political advantage"

https://twitter.com/mattholehouse/status/1171763083586523136

I said this before, but people wouldn't have it. Courts have no bearing over the Government in such situations.

So, if the Supreme Court uses English law, it is as above. It will be interesting if the case in the Supreme Court follow Scottish law, though.

So, if the Supreme Court uses English law, it is as above. It will be interesting if the case in the Supreme Court follow Scottish law, though.

It's an interesting point, and one I don't fully understand. I was under the impression that if the case originated in Scotland, it must follow Scottish law. But from what I've (quickly) read, it seems that's not always clear cut. It seems a constitutional muddle.

It seems a constitutional muddle.

Yes, it seems so. If the Supreme Court does decide to use English law, it will only end up bolstering Scotland's case for independence. Interesting effects.

You posted many quotes, but I can't see any which are incorrect.

I copy-pasted, so none of them are incorrect quotes.

For example:

Britain will have **access to the Single Market** after we vote leave

We haven't left yet, so how can this be incorrect?

You claimed that 'Leaving with a deal wasn't part of the vote.'

The quotes show that CampaignLeave most certainly did paint a picture of the UK after Brexit remaining in the free-trade zone, having access to the Single Market, having a new trading relationship, and the prospect of coming to an agreement with the EU that is in both parties' interests. Unicorns and roses for everyone. That is the opposite of 'leavers all voted for no-deal'.

As for '*after we vote leave*' - either the leavers meant 'after we leave' and they lied, since no-deal means the UK will not have access to the Single Market; or they deliberately slipped in the mealy-mouthed 'after we vote leave' in the apparently correct hope that millions of thick voters would not notice the difference and vote for a pig in a poke anyway, because.... unicorns.

So which is it: did Leave lie, or are leave supporters easily duped?

Following the news that the Scottish court thinks Johnson may have 'misled' (=lied to) the Queen, the latest ComRes poll shows the Tories have lost ground and are now only 1 point ahead of Labour.

https://www.comresglobal.com/polls/the-daily-telegraph-westminster-voting-intention-september-2019/

I don't think real tories have much time for a bloke who lies to the Queen.

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