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NRA pushes back on Trump's gun plans after Florida shooting

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By Pete Schroeder and Roberta Rampton

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Go NRA!! Show us who you really are.

One-sided and heavy-handed protector of gun ownership while being completely deaf, blind and heartless to your own fellow Americans and their loved ones' heartaches and miseries.

Keep up the good work. Oh, and I truly hope and pray that the youth of America are watching and following what you are saying and doing to their futures.

NeverAgain please, Never again, PLEASE
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These people are sick to the soul.

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I'm surprised no-one has proposed arming students and giving kindergartners weapons training. Give it time.

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I am old enough to remember when the US lowered its legal drinking age to 18 because it was somehow unfair to draft kids at 18 and send them to Vietnam to fight and perhaps die, but they could not have a beer with their friends before they left. Fast forward about 3 decades when the US raised its drinking age back to 21 because teenage DUI was considered a public health issue. States that did not raise its age limit risked losing Federal aid. (The voting age was also lowered to 18.)

So teenage drinking is a public health issue, as is teenage smoking which is why many states have a 21 age limit for tobacco sales, but teenage purchasing assault rifles is OK? What a country!

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I saw a video of a bump stock modified rifle over the weekend. The AR-15 was definitely firing at automatic rates. It seemed a little clumsy compared to a real automatic rifle, but it was legitimately an automatic weapon.

In almost all cases, you would never want to fire an assault rifle on fully automatic because too many bullets get wasted, i.e., not effective in killing. In a crowd, you can still kill a lot of people in a short period of time with an automatic rifle. Or a bump stock modified assault rifle.

Automatic rifles are basically banned (actually subject to stricter licensing).

So, bump stocks definitely should be banned outright. They should be recalled and possession made illegal.

An assault rifle is much better as a killing machine using the single fire mode, unless you are firing into a crowd or trying to keep people's head down (because you are not going to hit anything). If you need personal protection, there are many fine handguns. The civilian population don't need semi-automatic rifles that can shoot accurate and sustained fire for hundreds of yards.

Assault rifles should be banned.

The NRA will not allow any banning or limitation on gun ownership or gun sales. The is a similarity between the GoP's and NRA's rhetoric in other policy issues, hypocritical and irrational.

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So Trump is against the NRA position, so which side do liberals take now?

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It may sound strange, but the NRA used to support stricter gun control and mandatory safety classes.

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Their vision for society is grim and apocalyptic, and due to the greed in politics their vision is winning.

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Like most lobbying groups, the NRA doesn't work with average American lives in mind, it works for the interests of the corporations that pay them. In this case, they work for gun manufacturers to make sure nothing gets in the way of gun sales and to rile up and create a rabid market for the product. Certain politicians are then paid by the NRA and in turn do the same. This is why they oppose any gun restrictions, even sensible ones that most gun-owning Americans want.

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Liberals keep slipping and letting it show that the ultimate goals is that they really want to ban ALL guns.

All this stuff now is doing is increasing NRA membership. The Hogg CNN kid trying to ruin Florida tourism and lots of companies over this. but no one joins the NRA to get a crappy 5% discount on a rental car or a flight.

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Yes, Trump's support CAN help. But liberals/Dems are unwilling to take his help, just like DACA. That is why I asked, are liberals for the NRA or for Trump on this issue? and no one answered, because have to resist at all costs and dont know what to say.

Even if they would end up getting something you want, some people dont want it if it comes from the orange dotard. If it were me, I would focus more on what I was getting than who I was getting it from. I dont see any Dems lining up to pay the old tax rate, donate their 401k gains or return any bonuses they got at work recently. so there is that.

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Fair enough comment. I would like to see a vote on this issue so that each member of Congress has to take a public position on it.

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@blackL So Trump is against the NRA position, so which side do liberals take now?

People who make oversimplified statements like this either live in a oversimplified, little world, or are (what's the word for people who live under bridges?) just trying to keep Americans at each other's throats. Which sadly is pretty easy to do.

Liberals keep slipping

Another example of the bifurcated world you must see and want continued. Divide and conquer: one of the oldest approaches used by extremists.

The Hogg CNN kid trying to ruin Florida 

Another example. Can you believe there are people with a wide range of views on what the young man is trying to accomplish, including trying to make the world he lives in safer? But that doesn't fit your us-them vision of the world, does it.

if it comes from the orange dotard. 

Anything Trump (as you say the orange dotard) says has to be considered to be suspect. Patterns, after all.

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Liberals keep slipping and letting it show that the ultimate goals is that they really want to ban ALL guns.

That is the ultimate goal for some liberals. It is for me anyway. I don't think being like Japan in regards to gun violence is a bad goal to aim for. But I realize it'll have to be slow and gradual for the folks that ate up the decades of NRA/GOP marketing.

All this stuff now is doing is increasing NRA membership.

That says something about the people joining up, not liberals. Way to do exactly what gun manufacturers want you to do as they get rich off of saturating the country and it's unfortunate neighbors to the south with guns.

The Hogg CNN kid trying to ruin Florida tourism and lots of companies over this.

Or maybe he doesn't want any other kids to be shot at in school like he and his classmates were. That's also possible and the simpler, more likely explanation.

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"The NRA doesn't back any ban," Dana Loesch said.

Plenty of ignorant, insular, insensitive and stubborn ppl out there but i have to say the NRA always finds a way to out-awful the worst of the worst.

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So Trump is against the NRA position, so which side do liberals take now?

When Trump stops lying, I'll believe the words coming out of his mouth. Chance of that happening? Zero.

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"The president's daughter, Ivanka Trump, said in an interview with NBC News during a visit to South Korea for the Winter Olympics' closing ceremony that her father's suggestion for arming teachers is "an idea that needs to be discussed." But asked whether she, a mother of three children, would consider providing teachers with firearms, she said: "To be honest, I don't know. Obviously, there would have to be an incredibly high standard for who would be able to bear arms in our school."

Ivanka is correct.

"When Trump stops lying,"

What did he lie about?

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@serrano What did he lie about?

Here's one source. But as George Costanza said, 'It's not a lie if you believe it'.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

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My point exactly. The other 93% of gun owners never felt they NEEDED to join the NRA. Well now they do. What are you going to do when the NRA goes from 5 million members to 75 million members?

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Pete: "politifact.com"

Good grief...

Oh my...

New Poll: Trump At 50% Approval, 49% Disapproval

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNV2xpUzV9k&t=1s

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I was frankly disgusted with Dana Loesch's conversation with Emma Gonzalez. Talk about patronizing. Yeah, we feel for you, but we're not going to do anything to stop it from happening again. Horrible excuse of a mother.

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You need to be above a certain age to drive a Car, and to hold a valid license, and valid insurance... so why not the same for owning a Gun ?

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Well of course the NRA is going to push back! They know their Moloch idol isn't going to feed itself!

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So who would the Republicans support in a fight between Trump vs. NRA?

New Poll: Trump At 50% Approval, 49% Disapproval

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNV2xpUzV9k&t=1s

Your link openly stated he was cherry-picking polls - heck, it was right on the first line of the description: "Since I can cherry pick polls" lol

He was honest about it

But that's why an aggregate of polls is more reliable, so a few outliers won't affect much the result:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

Currently: 39.1% approval, 55.6% disapproval

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All this Democrat vs Republican bickering will never really sort out the issue.

Gun ownership is a right, but the word "right" is not an absolute. You have the "right" to speak your mind, but I also don't have to listen.

So, using my right to Freedom of speech... I still think Gun ownership should become regulated, just as Car ownership is. A License (to ensure you are fit), Insurance (to ensure you are responsible) ..... leave it to the Insurance Companies to gauge how responsible you are - now that would be a new business market for them, a new employment opportunity within the US... so many Pluses for this line of thinking.

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Just my opinion, but assault rifles should never be available to the average citizen. As a US citizen I can only trust law enforcement and our military to be responsible enough to carry assault rifles. Sure we have the nut jobs that believe the gub'mint is gonna send an army to their doorstep to take away their gunz, but they also completely forget that law enforcement and the military has a sworn oath to "protect and uphold the constitution, the rights of the people" and the fact that they're supposed to be protecting the people. Also the military and law enforcement consists of other US citizens, that took it upon themselves to do this job in the first place that risks their very lives.

Where do I stand on gun rights? Hunting rifles with 5 clip limit, fine by me as long as it's only used for hunting wildlife and driving away animals that harm livestock/crops. A pistol for HOME protection, or also for hunting/livestock/crops, fine by me as long as it's kept at home... I might even be a bit lenient as far as it goes for conceal carry, but one has to have a license. Open carry doesn't make me feel safe around other American citizens that don't realize that they're not sworn to protect and defend others from themselves. There is no accountability with them.

I currently do not own a firearm, but even if I did I would not join the NRA for the life of me. I've been able to see how toxic they've been since I was in my teens. They're an organization with too much money that uses it to pay off political clout (which is extremely un-democratic and un-American if one thinks about it) that leads to excessive harm to our very society.

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since the nra won't budge an inch on anything that might prevent a mass murder can we now point to how they are "soft on crime?"

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Like so many armchair bad@ass comservatives on these threads:

If he had been there, Trump said, he would have raced into the school during the attack even if he were unarmed.

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Context:

Speaking to a group of governors at the White House, Trump said: "You don't know until you're tested, but I think I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon and I think most of the people in this room would have done that, too."

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@zichi, Blacklabel

The membership numbers of the NRA are not that important, it's the remaining non-member gun owners that hold the true power. These folks vote. And it's their votes that hold the most sway when it comes to the future of gun control legislation.

The NRA is not able to exert its influence by bribing politicians, its power derives from its ability to connect directly with a large number of American gun owning voters, members or not. Through a broad network of state and local affiliates, shooting sports associations, gun clubs and volunteers, the NRA can reach voters in a more direct and personal manner. The same network also works to facilitate communication between the voters and their elected officials in regards to firearm legislation. The NRA is a national organization but it operates at a grass root level and it's at that level that the direction is ultimately set.

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