Manafort is first ex-Trump aide to go on trial in Russia probe

I feel desperately sad that I am thrilled at Manafort's demise. And that it would make me ecstatic to see Trump sleeping on cold cement. I wasn't like that before Trump's presidency. I hate the fact that they have made me more cynical.

The central question connecting the probe into Russian election meddling with Manafort's past ties to Russian money will be this: why was Manafort working as manager for the Trump campaign for free?

I feel desperately sad that I am thrilled at Manafort's demise.

I'm thrilled that Giulliani essentially gave Mueller the finger and the license to pound sand for a sit-down.

And that it would make me ecstatic to see Trump sleeping on cold cement. I wasn't like that before Trump's presidency. I hate the fact that they have made me more cynical.

Hmmm....seems like Mueller has to find something anything to get Trump, so far, porn stars and tweets are just not doing it. Curses! Maybe trying to indict more Russians overseas that will never be extradited to the US can help or locking up Manafort for life, as to why, doesn't really matter, can't get to Trump, Manafort will do, can't get John Podesta, even though they essentially worked together, gotta choose one, eeny, meeny, miney mo...

LOL, it’s not until the 6th paragraph that the article reveals that the charges are unrelated to his work with the Trump campaign. “Journalism “

Manafort was the never the goal, simply a means to an end. If Manafort is convicted then it allows Mueller to pursue deeper connections discovered during this investigation which will give him broader legal powers, and it will give legal justification to pursue other individuals. Now it is a matter of Manafort's ability to wait for the pardon. I think he won't rat on the Russians for fear of reprisal, but that is a longtime to wait in prison.

Giuliani is already making the media tour to change the narrative because of the press associated with Manafort's trial. Notice when bad news is about to come out connected to Trump that he or his lackeys try to distract with nonsense. We will start seeing more innuendos of a pardon in the press, so Manafort's lawyers will get the message.

The other point is the date: June 7th. That’s the date when Trump made that primary election night victory speech where he teased his upcoming anti-Hillary speech where he’d reveal a bunch of new dirt on Hillary, a speech that ended up never happening. 

What Giuliani appears to be saying is that earlier that day the top people in Trump’s campaign had a planning meeting to prep for the dirt meeting with the Russians two days later. This is hardly surprising. But it lines up perfectly with what many have long suspected: that Trump was so excited about the dirt his campaign was going to receive from Russia two days later that he couldn’t help but brag about it in public that night.

This, of course, was the inevitable endpoint for Dump defenders should the investigation progress this far. The Slippery Slope of Excuses:

There were no Trump campaign contacts with Russians.

There were contacts, but there was no collusion.

There might have been sketchy stuff happening, but the president wasn't involved.

Soon, we can expect to hear that Actually, Collusion Is Good. That's collusion with agents of a hostile foreign power, mind you.

@bassfunk

Hmmm....seems like Mueller has to find something anything to get Trump, so far, porn stars and tweets are just not doing it. Curses! Maybe trying to indict more Russians overseas that will never be extradited to the US can help or locking up Manafort for life, as to why, doesn't really matter, can't get to Trump, Manafort will do, can't get John Podesta, even though they essentially worked together, gotta choose one, eeny, meeny, miney mo...

He doesn't need to go after the Russians all Europe. Mueller just gave 5 people immunity which means they are testifying because they were actually involved in the crimes too. Their immunity only works if they have real evidence. It also means that they are in custody.

One of the people who will be there is Rick Gates, Manafort's right-hand man. He knows all of their business dealings because he was right there. He is just one of 32 others willing to roll on Manafort to save their skin.

Plea deals and immunity only works if you can provide hard evidence not just testimony!

He doesn't need to go after the Russians all Europe. Mueller just gave 5 people immunity which means they are testifying because they were actually involved in the crimes too. Their immunity only works if they have real evidence. It also means that they are in custody.

One of the people who will be there is Rick Gates, Manafort's right-hand man. He knows all of their business dealings because he was right there. He is just one of 32 others willing to roll on Manafort to save their skin. 

Plea deals and immunity only works if you can provide hard evidence not just testimony!

Absurd! How many times have the government forced coheres testimonies from people, you have No way of knowing what the Mueller team has, but it is safe to say, if they had a smoking gun, there is No way they would sit on it given the hatred the left has for this President and Spliff would be the first to knock over a mic to announce it. Once again they have nothing and the left is getting more desperate and nastier by the day.

My logic, the lefts plan has been crashing down on them continuously again again, now that's faulty logic. So what will they do next. They're running out of bad ideas.

Come on, you really believe that? Republicans.

I'm thrilled that Giulliani essentially gave Mueller the finger and the license to pound sand for a sit-down.

I'm thrilled Giulliani is speaking and acting as Trump's lawyer too! If you know what I mean! The gift that keeps giving!

As the dragnet tightens around this whole corrupt criminal gang, expect bizarre and strange commentary from the boss and his capos.

Pardons for the boss, calling once-valued associates "rats" and claiming that what they got up to isn't a crime.

The world is watching.

Come on, you really believe that?

Given the amount of liberal newspapers I have to stomach...I mean "read" daily, yes.

A federal judge dismissed the civil case and Manafort appealed the decision to a higher court.

The judicial branch is the best hope for limiting Trump and the GOP's attempts to subvert democratic processes. The Constitution (which Trump’s base think only includes the 2nd Amendment) needs to be upheld to keep him from becoming the emperor he seems to want to be. The upcoming elections could reduce the number of Republicans in congress, further weakening Trump's power grabs.

@cla68 etal “Journalism 

@bas4 Given the amount of liberal newspapers I have to stomach...I mean "read" daily, yes.

When the news is reported so it doesn’t glorify your side, attack the media. Use Fox'news', RT, Sputnik (or any of Putin’s other outlets in his global empire), Alex Jones and the dozens of other right wing sites if you don't like how something's been reported. It's clear freedom is scary to those who want to be led by a 'strong' man.

My guess is Manafort's lack of cooperation has less to do with Trump than with Deripaska and his henchmen. Sure, he might end his days in jail - but Deripaska could easily reach him even there. Better a life sentence than to be shanked.

This guy was once Trump’s campaign manager. Hopefully he gets what he deserves, whatever that may be.

LOL, it’s not until the 6th paragraph that the article reveals that the charges are unrelated to his work with the Trump campaign. “Journalism “

I guess you don't understand journalistic story structure. The important facts are usually summarized in the lead (like in this article) and gradually expanded on.

And really, when you have multiple people who worked on the Trump campaign being investigated and charged, it's a bigger leap of faith to say anything is completely "unrelated."

This guy was once Trump’s campaign manager. Hopefully he gets what he deserves, whatever that may be.

A few months in prison and then pardoned.

Look for team Trump to put the trial on trial. Look for them to spin the stories.

And get ready for an insane amount of brazen lying, 180s, and Sunday tweet storms.

A few months in prison and then pardoned.

I know the president has that power, but it's SUPPOSED to be used when there's a miscarriage of justice or wrongful conviction. I don't see that here, which would make the pardon a miscarriage of justice in a way.

I know the president has that power, but it's SUPPOSED to be used when there's a miscarriage of justice or wrongful conviction.

You said it, i didn’t, my point exactly!

I don't see that here

Yes, Most liberals don’t see 17 Democratic lawyers 13 of them donating to Democrats and 4 of them worked and or represented Hillary and not appointing any conservative or Republican to the Mueller team as unethical or unnormal.

which would make the pardon a miscarriage of justice in a way.

I think the exact opposite.

Yes, Most liberals don’t see 17 Democratic lawyers 13 of them donating to Democrats and 4 of them worked and or represented Hillary and not appointing any conservative or Republican to the Mueller team as unethical or unnormal.

Those are concerns that should have been voiced at the beginning of the investigation, not when the investigation is producing actual indictments and likely convictions. Mueller was praised by Republicans and appointed by the another Republican who Trump himself appointed. Complaining about it now reeks of panic and desperation.

Those are concerns that should have been voiced at the beginning of the investigation,

They were, specifically.

Mueller was praised by Republicans and appointed by the another Republican who Trump himself appointed.

Who upon recommendation from Rosenstein to fire Mueller who then hires his best friend who is also close friends to the FBI James Comey. Please don't give me that garbage that because the top dirty cops are Republicans that makes it ok.

Complaining about it now reeks of panic and desperation.

From the looks of how the left have been acting that everything is blowing up around them, they should take your advice.

it is OK, what if Hillary were president (there would not be an investigation anyway)

With all that what we now know, probably not. Thank God for Trump otherwise we would have never known as to how bad the corruption really was with the Dems and intelligence agencies.

They were, specifically.

Not to the level they are now. Trump even goes back and forth to this day about having a sit down interview with Mueller. Why would he even consider that if he thinks the investigation is completely corrupt?

Who upon recommendation from Rosenstein to fire Mueller who then hires his best friend who is also close friends to the FBI James Comey.

There was no way around an investigation taking place, largely due to Trump's own actions. Someone was going to head it and people were going to be hired. Since when do close friendships matter? Unless you can point to evidence of actual corruption, you follow the rule of law. That's the breaks. If you remember, Clinton put up with multiple Benghazi investigations headed by people who obviously had it in for her. (Zero indictments were produced there for "witch hunt" comparison's sake.)

From the looks of how the left have been acting that everything is blowing up around them, they should take your advice.

This is just silly. The only damage the left can possibly take from this is counting their chickens before they hatch and focusing too much on Russia instead of issues before the midterm elections. Otherwise, we can just sit back with some popcorn and enjoy the fireworks courtesy of Trump and Co.

"Mueller's probe"

The beginning of the Russia Hoax starts with Hillary Clinton. Oh my...

Fox News anchor Gregg Jarrett discusses his new book “The Russia Hoax” and how officials within the FBI, DOJ helped Hillary Clinton during the 2016 presidential election. Jarret also discusses how President Trump may revoke security clearances for six former Obama officials.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4z8WC4tiMo

With all that what we now know, probably not.

That means Hillary is clean

Bass: Most liberals don’t see 17 Democratic lawyers 13 of them donating to Democrats and 4 of them worked and or represented Hillary and not appointing any conservative or Republican to the Mueller team as unethical or unnormal. 

Sessions and Rosenstein, the Republicans running the investigation, disagree. But naturally you are free to use your partisanship and lack of access to the information to build a case against them.

Manafort will most likely be the first of many Trump associates to go to jail. No Democrats will. That’s the difference between a court of law and right-wing mob justice, Someone is convincing you of crazy things that aren’t panning out in real life.

she was exonerated before that

Yes, Hillary is clean

and have a talk with Mueller and so far

Mueller is a Republican and appointed by Republicans. Why blame Democrats and Hillary over this?

Comey, too. He went from a Republican whose announcement before the election hurt Clinton to being a liberal partisan.

A few months in prison and then pardoned.

This, I suspect, will eventually be Trump's fate.

Manafort is on trial for his dealings in the Ukraine in 2014.

can't get to Trump,  maybe not with impeachment, but the mid terms are just around the corner, even Trump knows that the Dems make take the majority again and hes desperate to get his funding for the wall before that happens, hes prepared to shut down the government again if congress dont give him that. The shut down will be purely on his hands again, blackmail doesn't go down well with the majority of senators. Trumps getting squeezed and his tweets more desperate. LOL

Yeah, he's such a liberal partisan that he helped Trump win by announcing that Clinton was under investigation just days before the election.

And then again going around investigating the President and worrying obsessively about the size of his hands and the length of his tie? Huh?

Those are names of people, not evidence. So far no tangible evidence has been shown of actual corruption among these people.

Those are names of people with evidence of lying, threatening the GOP congress, intimidating staff at the DOJ, preferential treatment of the top echelon, goes beyond the clouds of corruption.

You just did. 

Then Hillary should be equally as guilty, period.

Trump being assured of guilt without any tangible evidence is something you just made up. The whole point of this investigation is to find tangible evidence, and Trump's guilt or innocence will only be assured when the investigation closes. Which makes you wonder why Trump seems so eager to stop the investigation without any tangible evidence that it's corrupt.

Because nothing so far points to him, nothing. So what do they do? They go after DTJ, they go after Page, Flynn, Manafort, they squeeze them, Manafort is in solitary confinement, really? They tried obstruction, they tried collusion (which is not a crime) they tried treason, they tried a failed porn star, a playboy playmate, they browbeat and squeezed his sleazy lawyer who taped him, they are even scanning all of his tweets, these people are unhinged, desperate, so desperate in fact that as bad as these players are, if they had something with the hatred and blindness they have, we all would have known about it and even if they get an obstruction charge, then what? Hearings and then? 

If you check the websites of democratic socialists, you'd see that they do outline where the money would come from.

I know, I have a home in Orange County and I see how the conservative lifestyle is safer, finer and more productive than the socialist cities of LA or SF.

Manafort is on trial for his dealings in the Ukraine in 2014.

Please don't interrupt the speculative flow of this thread with facts. You see, I'm a knee doctor and I'm looking at a big payday with all the jerking going on here.

The End is coming near.....