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First DACA is dead, now it may not be. Superb negotiating skills.

Where is Trump this weekend? At the WH getting work done, or at one of his properties playing golf? That's correct. He's stuffing the pockets of his golf pants with taxpayer money. Kuddos to Trump!

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"No. I'm not a racist. I'm the least racist person you have ever interviewed."

Your actions and words say something totally different! An intelligent person never says "I'm smart", they let their actions and others say if for them!

If Trump wasn't a racist, he wouldn't need to say it himself! Other's would say it for him!

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Well, at least he's now not denying he's a still a racist - it's just he's now trying to control the public perception of what's the order of magnitude.

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"No. I'm not a racist. I'm the least racist person you have ever interviewed."

I hope he’s less racist than the racist groups whose material he reads and retweets.

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Apparently, we are supposed to judge him on his actions, not his words.

Yep, still a bigoted imbecile then

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First DACA is dead, now it may not be. Superb negotiating skills.

I think so, he shouldn’t budge an inch if he doesn’t get any funding on the wall, if the Dems say No, then No to the dreamers. Don’t make the mistake Reagan made.

Where is Trump this weekend? At the WH getting work done, or at one of his properties playing golf?

Thousands of business deals have been conducted during a good game.

That's correct. He's stuffing the pockets of his golf pants with taxpayer money. Kuddos to Trump!

Not as bad as when the last President took two planes one for himself and one for his wife, talk about a serious tax payer waste.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/13/obama-first-lady-flew-separate-planes-la-same-day/

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I'm not American so what I have to say about Trump is meaningless.

However...I wonder how many here are American?

How many here truly understand the nature of politics and how one must rob Peter to pay Paul.

How many here dislike Trump because....well, they just don't like him!

How many here can honestly say that Obama did any better in two terms!! Or did he just have his head in the sand on the real issues.

How many here can say that H. Clinton would have been any better?

So many questions I want to ask because as far as I can tell... he ain't doing such a bad job for his first year. Tackling real issues that should have been tackled years back.

So he ain't the sharpest tool in the box. He has advisors for that!

He ain't the most eloquent of speakers... eh...yep...I'll give you that one.

Just my thoughts guys...as an outsider.

Be kind.

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Why does Trump need funding for a wall? I was under the distinct impression that Mexico was going to pay for the wall. Now, where ever would I have gotten that impression?

"I would rarely leave the White House because there's so much work to be done," Trump, 69, tells ITK. "I would not be a president who took vacations. I would not be a president that takes time off."

It displays intellectual dishonesty when a poster equates wasteful spending that does not enrich oneself with wasteful spending that does enrich oneself.

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It should be easy to point out which major business deals Trump has conducted while golfing then. Remember that the top economies of Europe and Asia--Germany and China--are led by non-golfers. So you imagine that Angela Merkel conducts business meetings on the ski slopes? I think it is much more plausible that Trump is simply playing golf on the golf course, cause yakking excessively is against golf etiquette--and the little detail that he is not supposed to be doing private business while in his current gig.

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his comments were possibly misreported.  Still made me smile.  He does have a knack for putting his foot in it.

although possibly some small truth in the observation that some of these countries are appallingly run, have ridiculous levels of poverty and corruption, have huge disparities of wealth and income and therefore have lots of their citizens wanting to leave to find a better life in US or Europe or Canada or Australia or almost anywhere else.

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1 vs 1. i guess some people may view trailer home rednecks as racist, but a billionaire?

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illegal means criminal activity punishable by fine or jail. illegal immigrants are not undocumented, they are criminals

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If someone can point to where the word "illegal" is used in the Immigration and Nationality Act, we can have a discussion on whether undocumented immigrants are illegal immigrants.

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If undocumented immigrants faced criminal prosecution in removal proceedings, they world be guaranteed a public defender.

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@Tommy you realize we have a proper process for entering the US? Skirting that is "i l l e g a l"

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So these comments were made/notmade (coughcough) in a private meeting where he was speaking frankly and casually? Trump basically being trump. Anyone rushing to go live in Haiti?

Switch to Anderson Cooper crying on CNN talking about himself and how HE was there in HAITI , HE saw stuff go down , and HE knows and feels their suffering.

Give me a break. These witchhunts are getting sillier by the day.

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You do realize that words have meanings and the words in the Immigration and Nationality Act, which covers entry into the US, do not include the word "illegal."

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David Duke, the former Grand Wizard of the KKK openly, and ironically admits to loving Trump. That alone says a lot.

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Massively unpopular, lowest ratings in history, failing administration, unstable, unlearned, hates and despises huge sections of the populace, the entire country wants him ousted. DUMP TRUMP!

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IF we can legally skirt the process and enter the country any way we like, why have a process in the first place? You can not steal from a store and say "it doesn't say I can go to jail anywhere in your store"

nice try

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Stores do not write laws.

It would behoove you to do some research.

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The modern immigration legal system dates back to about 1924. Before that, the only law explicitly banning a country's immigrants was the Chinese Exclusion Act. People didn't analyze immigration's legality, they mostly just bellyached (like Trump) about their least favorite immigrant groups. It is rumored that WOP was an acronym for With Out Papers. So you want to argue that a large percent of Italian Americans need to be deported because of what their forebears did?

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Excuse me. Funding?

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@clamz It all means the exact same thing.

If you honestly believe that, you're showing your personal interpretation of what others have said based on your worldview. Understanding is in the eye of the beholder, after all. Or else your knowledge of vocabulary is very limited.

Trump is no more racist than the perpetually outraged

Many documented examples of Trump's discriminatory business practices and his 'honest' verbal attacks against non-whites have been shown. You've chosen to ignore them and believe differently. And before you call anyone 'perpetually outraged', look in a mirror.

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Stores do not write laws.

Neither do presidents.

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"No. I'm not a racist. I'm the least racist person you have ever interviewed."

He is absolutely a racist, as is everyone who defends him. Period. Fact.

bass4funk: "I think so, he shouldn’t budge an inch if he doesn’t get any funding on the wall, if the Dems say No, then No to the dreamers."

Well, it would prove at least in part he's less of a racist than he says he is, but we all know he's only leveraging the Dreamers for his own personal gain. That's all. So, not only is he a racist bigot (as are his supporters), he's a selfish, inhumane person as well. And remember, the wall you are talking about is to keep out "rapists", no?

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"I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me, and I’ll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great great wall on our southern border and I’ll have Mexico pay for that wall."

I'm a little confused who said this bevause the guy that is supposed to have said this is asking the US Congress, which is not Mexico, for money to build a wall.

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Face it, Trump said the things being reported, and he is a racist. Too late and too little on the denial. There are too many people reporting he said what was reported. Even the Repubs are going from no memory to having a memory. Trump has many Haitian friends??? Foolish Trump on show again.

Regarding Haiti, Haiti has had economic problems primarily from 1st world countries lording over the small island, starting with France and then the U.S.

It was pushed into a war with France over control of its agricultural production that was finally settled with crushing debt to pay to be free from French control. Then, creditors backed by the U.S. came for their pound of flesh.

"I think so, he shouldn’t budge an inch if he doesn’t get any funding on the wall, if the Dems say No, then No to the dreamers."

More hostage taking by fanatics?

There's not much difference between this extremist statement and a ME extremest statement of cutting off someone's head. Do this, or we will hurt or kill someone.

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He is absolutely a racist, as is everyone who defends him. Period. Fact.

No, it's not a fact. I have no love for the guy - I think he is the most inept president the US has seen - but while his comments here are definitely inappropriate, and likely are an indicator of his racist beliefs, they are not clearly racist in and of themselves, and therefore labeling anyone who disagrees with that as racist doesn't do anyone any good. It simply pisses off people who are not racist, and disagree with being called racists, which unfortunately will be more likely to cause them to defend Trump rather than join us in criticizing him.

It's like I've been saying on the sexual assault threads, when we get girls trying to demonize all men due to the actions of a few - it simply creates enemies instead of creating allies.

There is more than enough stuff to criticize about Trump without needing to make stuff up.

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Trump says 'I'm not a racist;'

Best joke I've heard all day

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Strangerland: "No, it's not a fact. I have no love for the guy - I think he is the most inept president the US has seen - but while his comments here are definitely inappropriate, and likely are an indicator of his racist beliefs, they are not clearly racist in and of themselves..."

Uhhh... excuse me? Saying "Mexicans are rapists" is not racist? Firing people for their skin color is not racist? Saying the judge who has blocked him can't know what he's talking about "because he's Mexican" despite being born and raised in the US is not racist? Those are all things Trump has said, and then some, and are being referenced on top of the -- YES, racist! -- "countries are crapholes" and "Haitians all have AIDS" comments he made. Unbelievable that you don't consider these things racist.

"and therefore labeling anyone who disagrees with that as racist doesn't do anyone any good."

I never labelled the people who disagree with that as racist, I said people who DEFEND him are just as bad as he is. But hey, if you don't think his comments are racist, easy to see how you would mistake what else was actually said.

Aly Rustom: "Best joke I've heard all day"

Nah, the "I'm the least racist person you've ever interviewed" that followed it is funnier... in the sad, pathetic "funny" that is Trump, of course.

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"It's like I've been saying on the sexual assault threads, when we get girls trying to demonize all men due to the actions of a few - it simply creates enemies instead of creating allies."

Wow, and my stuff has been getting deleted as "off-topic"! And no, it's not like that at all, except you are the same person saying such things.

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In what way is Trump a racist?

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In what way is Trump a racist?

By refusing to rent to people based on their race.

Pretty much the textbook definition of racism.

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Maybe he can show he is not racist by choosing a non-Caucasian for his next wife?  that is often the tack taken by pols and journos and so on ho express right wing views.......

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In what way is Trump a racist?

In the racist way.

Such as by trying to make an moral equivalence between pro-fascist and anti-fascist protesters in North Carolina.

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None of us are born racist, but listening to our olders and betters banging on, subconsciously most of us do pick up shadowy prejudices and start to discriminate. Every race does it. "I am not a racist!" are the words of someone who has not bothered to search deeply inside, often said by people who are in fact racists. They just do not like people accusing them of that. There are three types of racist, and they cover about 90% of the planet in my opinion, ie people who say either:

"I am a racist and proud of it."

"I am not a racist."

"I am probably a racist but ashamed of it and working on it."

And finally, the last 10% who are saints and innocents who do not have a racist bone in their body, who do not even notice any differences, and if they do, simply see the peoples of the world as flowers in the garden.

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I knew someone like that in my extended family. When he got drunk at Christmas dinner he would generally say :

"I'm not racist, but there are too many blacks in our country !!!"

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"I'm not a racist." Trump said, "I just play one on TV."

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I knew someone like that in my extended family. When he got drunk at Christmas dinner he would generally say :

I’m not racist, but there are too many blacks in our country!

One of my relatives had a slightly different and slightly more honest prelude. He used to say “Call me racist if you like, but...” before saying something racist.

Trump should man up and use that line. A tweet starting with “Call me a racist if you like, but here’s something I found on the net from known racists”.

At least you know where you are rather than with the nebulous, wishy-washy, hide-the-ball racism from the spineless.

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One of my relatives had a slightly different and slightly more honest prelude. He used to say “Call me racist if you like, but...” before saying something racist.

Reminds me of the old "not to be racist but...", which is invariably followed by something racist.

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Saying "Mexicans are rapists" is not racist? 

Mexican is not a race, it's a nationality.

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Mexican is not a race, it's a nationality.

Ahh, the old 'you used the wrong word, so there is nothing wrong with the discrimination' argument.

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@Strangerland

By refusing to rent to people based on their race.

Pretty much the textbook definition of racism.

Irrelevant, and no, it really isn't.

Trump is advocating discrimination, the palatability of which depends on one's political bent.

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@Nessie

Such as by trying to make an moral equivalence between pro-fascist and anti-fascist protesters in North Carolina.

Sounds like "he's racist because he's racist" circular thinking to me.

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Face it, Trump said the things being reported, and he is a racist.

Why because Durbin said so?

Too late and too little on the denial.

How do you know Trump is lying? Maybe Durbin is lying. Do you ANY proof as to which person is telling truth?

There are too many people reporting he said what was reported. Even the Repubs are going from no memory to having a memory.

Does that mean, it’s a lie because they can’t recall what was said?

Trump has many Haitian friends??? Foolish Trump on show again.

How do you know he doesn’t? Have you seen his contact phone list?

Regarding Haiti, Haiti has had economic problems primarily from 1st world countries lording over the small island, starting with France and then the U.S.

Doesnt change the fact of what it is and how the government mismanaged the economy for decades.

It was pushed into a war with France over control of its agricultural production that was finally settled with crushing debt to pay to be free from French control. Then, creditors backed by the U.S. came for their pound of flesh.

When was the last time you went there on vacation?

Well, it would prove at least in part he's less of a racist than he says he is, but we all know he's only leveraging the Dreamers for his own personal gain.

That’s what politicians do, if he didn’t, then he should get out of politics immediately.

That's all. So, not only is he a racist bigot (as are his supporters),

Whoa, homie....you calling me a flat out racist? I sure hope not.

he's a selfish, inhumane person as well. And remember, the wall you are talking about is to keep out "rapists", no?

It's to keep illegal aliens out.

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he should just follow Durette. just say "I'm a racist, but so what? I'm rich, you aren't. I'm the president, you aint. so go jump!"

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So, a question for the people who don't think Trump, or Coulter, or Hannity, or Ingram, or Limbaugh are racists:

Who is? Who was?

Was George Wallace racist? Or Bull Connor?

Robert Lee?

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Love it when Trumpophiles ask, "How do you know who is lying?" when there is a question about credibility between Trump and anyone. The answer is simple: Trump has been a pathological liar since long before he became president, which means he had zero credibility.

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Just because someone hasn't/wouldn't go somewhere does not mean Trump's choice of words were anywhere near appropriate.

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I'm not a racist but I am prejudiced.  That ok?

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Love it when Trumpophiles ask, "How do you know who is lying?" when there is a question about credibility between Trump and anyone. The answer is simple: Trump has been a pathological liar since long before he became president, which means he had zero credibility.

But how do you know and can you prove it, doesn’t matter what you personally feel, can you prove it?

Just because someone hasn't/wouldn't go somewhere does not mean Trump's choice of words were anywhere near appropriate.

No, but Trump was saying what a lot of people say with no shame whatsoever. How do you think people describe South side Chicago, Compton, Oakland? Exactly in the same, manner. Trump, if he did say those words shouldn’t have said them in public, but pests be real, everyone knows what these places are, even if you don’t want to say those words.

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Tommy Jones, are you happy calling all those good folks 'red necks' and 'hillbillies'?

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Donald Trump, can neither be mistaken for a diplomat or a Politian. In all honesty Donald Trump has never entertained the pretence.

And to make matters worse Merkel could foolishly follow Marcon lead and provoke Trump to conclude nafta negotiations disastrously the German economy.

Merkel could join Macron in Davos for epic clash with Trump

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-davos-meeting-merkel/merkel-could-join-macron-in-davos-for-epic-clash-with-trump-idUSKBN1F30HB

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Bass: can you prove it?

Sure. Trump refused to rent to black people because they were black.

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There are basically two strains to American thought- one that says working hard and having a strong character and making smart decisions should lead to success no matter where you come from or what color your skin is. The other says that anyone darker than lilly-white is inherently inferior, but that one must deny that they think that in public because they're cowards who can't face the social consequences of expressing contemptible ideas.

Not only is Trump a square supporter of the latter, he actively opposes the former.

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Sure. Trump refused to rent to black people because they were black.

I doubt It, not because of their color, but because of the political and social climates of the days where NYC was one of the most dangerous cities on the planet and a real SH and that time. Can’t blame him for that, I’d probably do the same given the climate in those days.

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He caused this whole problem, by making an executive order ending the DACA program. He can fix the problem with another executive order, or he could allow the court order halting his executive order to stand uncontested. Or, he could go on the way he has been, causing the problem, while blaming everyone else. The last option is the one he will probably take. He loves to cause problems, and then say he didn't do it, someone else did.

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I strongly suspect that those posters complaining the loudest about Trump’s choice of words would be among the very first to bolt if offered the chance to live in one of those countries like Haiti

Odd logic. This implies that people who don't have a problem with Trump's insult would be eager to live 'in one of those countries like Haiti'. Can you confirm that? When do you leave?

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In what way is Trump a racist?

I don't know where to start. How about when he retweeted and endorsed racist videos from racist hate group Britain First? Will that do?

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I doubt It, not because of their color, but because of the political and social climates of the days where NYC was one of the most dangerous cities on the planet and a real SH and that time.

Heh, so there were problems with some black people, and therefore none of them should be allowed, right?

And you somehow think that's not racist.

You really should preface your posts with 'not to sound racist but...'

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In what way is Trump a racist?

I don't know where to start. How about when he retweeted and endorsed racist videos from racist hate group Britain First? Will that do?

That’s already been dealt with on a previous thread. I asked about that and a Trump supporter informed us that while it’s not good to create and post dodgy racist videos, endorsing and retweeting them isn’t a problem.

I don’t know about you, but I came away feeling less than 100% satisfied with that reasoning. Maybe it’s just me.

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I doubt It, not because of their color

They put a C on the application to weed out "colored" people on their applications And staff were specifically told not to show apartments to black people.

Its all right there in the government report, but I won't blame you if you refuse to read it.

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Given Trump's well documented history of lying, why should we take his word about anything?

Here are my Trump Watching Tips:

1) Assume whatever he says is a lie until proven otherwise.

2) Assume whatever he calls "fake news" to be true.

3) Assume he's doing whatever he accuses others of doing.

4) Assume anything he says or does is motivated by self-interest and only accidentally by the interests of the country.

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Dems don’t want a DACA deal because their extremist base will not allow them to compromise on anything. It’s why Durbin threw a hand-grenade to the press to stir and enrage the Dem base. His eyes are on the all important 2018 mid-term election.

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Don’t make the mistake Reagan made.

Close high school friend was residing in the US as an illegal alien until Congress under Reagan made him a citizen. He now oversees hospital tech systems.

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Again, a question for the people who don't think Trump is racist.

Who is, then?

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Black Sabbath - So, a question for the people who don't think Trump, or Coulter, or Hannity, or Ingram, or Limbaugh are racists:

Who is? Who was?

Everyone who claims that white people are racist simply because white people are white, certainly qualify as racists.

People who are leaving their "s-hole" countries in search of a better life understand that the country they are leaving is poorly run, corrupt, poorly educated, under fed, and provide little possibility to improve the lives of those smart enough to leave. That's why they want to leave. The people running those "s-hole" countries object to being identified for what they are.

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Everyone who claims that white people are racist simply because white people are white, certainly qualify as racists.

Well that’s good, at least we don’t have any of those racists on this site.

Can you name any other racists? Those who are racist against minorities?

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That’s already been dealt with on a previous thread.

I don't think so.

I don’t know about you, but I came away feeling less than 100% satisfied with that reasoning. Maybe it’s just me.

You just might be right.

They put a C on the application to weed out "colored" people on their applications And staff were specifically told not to show apartments to black people.

As I said, at that time, with good reason. I have family in Queens and as a kid, I used to go every summer to visit them and in those days NYC was a veeeeery scary place, drugs, assaults crimes, police corruption all out of control, so having lived through that and at my aunts place, the front door had 4 locks and a deadbolt and from the hallway to the living room, a sliding grid gate, NY was NO joke back in the day, so given the social and corruptness that engulfed I don't blame Trump from turning people away and it wasn't only Blacks, but when you have the race baiting lawyers trying to turn it into a race issue, of course it makes their jobs that much easier.

Its all right there in the government report, but I won't blame you if you refuse to read it.

I read it, seen it and lived it, so yes, I do know how life was back then.

People who are leaving their "s-hole" countries in search of a better life understand that the country they are leaving is poorly run, corrupt, poorly educated, under fed, and provide little possibility to improve the lives of those smart enough to leave. That's why they want to leave.

I understand and they should come, legally.

The people running those "s-hole" countries object to being identified for what they are.

I understand, but that's how a lot of people will call them, they shouldn't say it publicly, but privately, people talk about and say it all the time, can't be helped. Again, how many people do you talk about taking a romantic weekend getaway in Mogadishu?

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I have family in Queens and as a kid, I used to go every summer to visit them and in those days NYC was a veeeeery scary place, drugs, assaults crimes, police corruption all out of control, so having lived through that and at my aunts place, the front door had 4 locks and a deadbolt and from the hallway to the living room, a sliding grid gate, NY was NO joke back in the day, so given the social and corruptness that engulfed I don't blame Trump from turning people away and it wasn't only Blacks

1) It was only blacks.

2) I can't tell if you really don't realize this is racism, or if you do realize it's racism and are just ok with it.

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That’s already been dealt with on a previous thread. 

I don't think so.

Well, we are taking about Trump endorsing and retweeting material from a known racist group. Here’s how you dealt with it the other day:

Jimizo: The fact that he retweeted very questionable videos from a steaming trash right fringe in the UK makes it even more revolting.

Bass: Why was it bad to retweet? I understand if the tweet originated from him, but it didn't.

My understanding of that is while it’s bad to post dodgy racist material on the internet, endorsing and retweeting it isn’t a problem.

I don’t find that satisfactory. Are you sure you do?

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If Trump wasn't a racist, he wouldn't need to say it himself! Other's would say it for him.

Trump fell for the oldest political trick in the book: denying an allegation that would have been better ignored. (That was the specialty of the politically astute LBJ.)

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1) It was only blacks.

Yes and the majority of people on the Colombo families payroll were Black and Frank Lucas carved out a huge territory in the areas of Harlem and Queens predominantly as well as certain areas throughout Manhattan.

2) I can't tell if you really don't realize this is racism, or if you do realize it's racism and are just ok with it.

I’m not ok with racism and I don’t think Trump is a racist, however, I do think he is often too direct and says things at the wrong time and space and can be racially insensitive, but that doesn’t mean you are a racist. The left have an overreactionary trigger whenever the race issue comes up, too much. I’ve personally known racist people and when a true racist comes out you’ll know and if Trump were, he would never accept his daughter marrying one, he would have never had a spokesperson that’s Black or hire someone in his administration if he were a true racist. They don’t do that, they don’t straddle the line like that.

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1) It was only blacks.

Yes

Great, now that we've established that, we can trace it backwards. Trump refused to rent to black people. Therefore he was determining whether someone would be allowed to live in his places, based purely on the color of their skin, rather than their individual merit. Therefore he discriminated against them based on race. Discrimination based on race is racism. Trump is a racist.

See how that all connects together?

I’m not ok with racism and I don’t think Trump is a racist

Even when clearly shown how is actions are racist, you claim you don't think he is a racist.

So the question is whether you think racism against black people actually exists or not, so we can determine where the bar lies for you as to the definition of racism, thereby giving us the correct context by which to evaluate your posts.

So:

1) Do you think racism against black people exists?

2) If yes, can you give some examples of what you consider to be racism against black people?

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Oooh mommy, I didn't say a bad word! Donald Trump is acting just like the immature child that he is. He steals, he lies, he picks on other people, he denies his sins and crimes. Oooh, 'I'm not a racist' but he said those Latino/a-s come to America and steal and rape! He wants to build an East Berlin-type wall to keep ALL Hispanics out. He delayed hurricane relief to Puerto Rico - an island commonwealth of mostly Hispanic AMERICAN CITIZENS, due to racism. He put on the Muslim ban - more discrimination. We have Christian fundamentalists bombing abortion clinics, do we ban Christians from emigrating to America? NO! He insulted Native Americans with his childish uncouth jab at Democrats with his juvenile 'Pocahontas' joke, let alone authorizing a leaky oil pipeline through a Sioux reservation, a treaty violation. His remark about Nigerians and 'mud huts' is ignorant, boorish and stupid. On top of that, Trump was openly endorsed by the American Nazi Party for the 2016 "elections" and he defended such violent trash when they stirred up the Charlottesville riot. Donald Trump is a RACIST and his dirty hateful rhetoric shows it for all to see!

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If you’re trying to make an argument that he prejudged someone based on their color since during those days the vast majority of crimes were committed by Blacks

No, I'm saying he prejudged all black people based on sharing a skin color with those committing crime, rather than based on whether they themselves had committed any crime.

You seem to be saying it's ok to be racist, if the crime numbers are large enough to support your fear.

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Don’t make the mistake Reagan made.

Reagan himself was descended from Irish immigrants, the second President to be of that descent. During his lifetime Irish Americans were looked upon badly. Ireland was a "sh*thole" to many here. Reagan also authorized full compensation to Japanese-Americans victimized by WWII hysteria, they were detained illegally. Mistake? No mistake. Reagan was not a racist and he even talked with the USSR to end the Cold War peacefully. And when he was Governor of California he had some gays + lesbians working in his cabinet. He knew it, he didn't care as long as they did the work. They went to Washington DC when he was elected President. He was a quiet LGBTQ activist. No mistakes here.

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Everyone who claims that white people are racist simply because white people are white, certainly qualify as racists

Well, it seems we have one answer: Racism exists. And its only against white people I usually just ignore Republicans online. But I did engage here, briefly, just to make the following crystal clear:

Nearly all right winger Americans cannot admit that racism against non-whites is a thing.

Right wingers cannot admit racism against blacks exists. Right wingers cannot admit racism against Mexicans exists.

Not one of pro-Trump poster here will admit that racism against black people exists.

So I ask all of you: why do you bother to talk with them?

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No, I'm saying he prejudged all black people based on sharing a skin color with those committing crime, rather than based on whether they themselves had committed any crime.

You seem to be saying it's ok to be racist, if the crime numbers are large enough to support your fear.

I’m not saying that, but we all prejudge people, all of us and if anyone’s says otherwise they are lying to themselves.

Well, it seems we have one answer: Racism exists. And its only against white people I usually just ignore Republicans online. But I did engage here, briefly, just to make the following crystal clear:

Nearly all right winger Americans cannot admit that racism against non-whites is a thing. 

Liberals equally subvert the truth by saying and ignoring that racism exists towards Whites as well.

Right wingers cannot admit racism against blacks exists. Right wingers cannot admit racism against Mexicans exists. 

Left wingers as well as Democrats can’t admit to themselves is that their polices are the main reason that have brought the downfall of millions of Blacks in urban cities where most Whites would never go. Hypocrisy to the max!

Not one of pro-Trump poster here will admit that racism against black people exists.

It does to a point, but the backlash and racism towards Whites is becoming far worse, but that’s acceptable, right?

So I ask all of you: why do you bother to talk with them?

Right back at you.

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I’m not saying that, but we all prejudge people, all of us and if anyone’s says otherwise they are lying to themselves.

So now you're admitting Trump is a racist, but trying to defend it by saying so is everyone else?

So again Bass, since you keep avoiding it, does racism exist against black people, and can you give an example of some of said racists?

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I don't blame Trump from turning people away and it wasn't only Blacks

You said you read over the governments case. Can you point out the part where it says it wasn't just blacks?

This was a slam dunk discriminication case. Trump "Mr. I don't settle" settled it pretty quickly. Since you have read the docs, can you tell us what changes Trump was required to make to his business?

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You said you read over the governments case. Can you point out the part where it says it wasn't just blacks?

What I said was, I have some family in NY and have been going there since I was a kid and in those days it was a SH! I’ve seen how it was back in the days and saw a lot of crime, dirt, homelessness and despair, so no I don’t blame Trump from turning these people away, especially what I have seen and the majority of pushers were Black. It’s not racist, that was just a fact. I’m telling you how it was, I’m not here to tell you guys something to make you feel good.

This was a slam dunk discriminication case. Trump "Mr. I don't settle" settled it pretty quickly.

NY had some of the most Money hungriest lawyers out there that would do anything to make a buck. Hey, look at Lisa Bloom.

So now you're admitting Trump is a racist,

Not at all, I don’t think he is, but I definitely think the Democrat Party is and for a multitude of reasons.

but trying to defend it by saying so is everyone else?

Is that a bad thing? I have that right to dislike a country if I find it horrible and Trump is right, I’ve been to Somalia it is a SH country, that’s just the fact. I would not have used that language, but as far as describing the countries he mentioned, he’s right. If they are so good, why do they fight tooth and nail to enter the US?

So again Bass, since you keep avoiding it, does racism exist against black people

Some, but not only blacks, every other race as well, but we are not talking about race, we are talking about countries and which ones are the worst ones that are indeed SH.

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and saw a lot of crime, dirt, homelessness and despair, so no I don’t blame Trump from turning these people away, especially what I have seen and the majority of pushers were Black.

So you're saying that black people, as a race, were too dangerous to rent to, so it's best to ban all of them.

It’s not racist

And banning people based on the color of their skin isn't racist.

So how do you tell the difference between non-racists making a good business decision, and racists who are doing it simply because they hate black people?

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So you're saying that black people, as a race, were too dangerous to rent to, so it's best to ban all of them.

Many of them were dealing, as far as dangerous, that would depend, but profiling we did, the police did, the store owners did, the crime rate for Blacks was so high back then, so yes, we did profile, maybe you don’t think it’s right, but we needed to protect ourselves as well as the police made sure that if you carried a gun or a knife or drugs you just get arrested immediately.

And banning people based on the color of their skin isn't racist.

Sadly, but you had to be careful.

You cannot blame the people that own businesses or hotels or restaurants or whenever to just blindly trust these people, especially going back to the 70s where violence was an every day normal activity And banning people based on the color of their skin isn't racist especially if there is probable cause.

So how do you tell the difference between non-racists making a good business decision, and racists who are doing it simply because they hate black people?

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(SuperLib)- Its all right there in the government report, but I won't blame you if you refuse to read it.

*(bass)- *I read it

(SuperLib)- You said you read over the governments case. Can you point out the part where it says it wasn't just blacks?

(bass)- What I said was, I have some family in NY.....

Do you really not understand/remember what you wrote just an hour earlier?

banning people based on the color of their skin isn't racist

Of course it's racist, it's virtually the definition of racism.

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bass4funk: You cannot blame the people that own businesses or hotels or restaurants or whenever

It's called race based discrimination in housing. Textbook racism, in fact, and textbook illegal. The entire reason why we have these laws is because people such as Trump and yourself engage in segregation.

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Fair Housing Act: "The Fair Housing Act protects people from discrimination when they are renting, buying, or securing financing for any housing. The prohibitions specifically cover discrimination because of race, color, national origin, religion, sex, disability and the presence of children."

See? A clear violation of laws meant to protect minorities from people just like yourself. You'll note that there's no waiver for "people who engage in discrimination/segregation but really, really, really feel in their hearts they are good people and not racists."

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lost in the discussion about trump and his family business refusing to rent to african-americans is that they were breaking federal law to do so. specifically the fair housing act which was a part of the civil rights act of 1968.

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It's quite enlightening to watch a latent racist perform contortions to excuse Trump's racism and denies their own. Too much fun.

Kuddos to you posters that put in the work, which was promptly ignored of course, to try to show certain posters the errors in their ever so weak logic.

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Well you have his comments about Latino judges not being qualified to judge white people, he pardoned a sheriff who violated the civil rights of Latinos, he lied about tens of thousands of Muslims cheering on 9/11, he's the world's most famous birther, he follows and retweets from white supremacists, he was caught discriminating against black renters, he wants to ban all Muslims from entering.

But unless you have a signed confession or an EKG readout saying, "Racist" we just can't be sure....

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But unless you have a signed confession or an EKG readout saying, "Racist" we just can't be sure....

First, sort your ellipses out.

Second, the EKG would need to be couple with a polygraph.

Third, what's your proof? His son-in-law is Jewish, he has black employees.

Fourth, you've got stamina. But, how do we know the confession wasn't forced?

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It's quite enlightening to watch a latent racist perform contortions to excuse Trump's racism and denies their own. Too much fun.

Who are you talking about?

Kuddos to you posters that put in the work, which was promptly ignored of course, to try to show certain posters the errors in their ever so weak logic.

I thank you kindly and so very humble about it.

Well you have his comments about Latino judges not being qualified to judge white people, he pardoned a sheriff who violated the civil rights of Latinos,

I understand, but going to court over charges that he allegedly discriminated against Mexicans and the Judge assigned to the case is Mexican American....come on anyone would say, this is a set up looking at the optics of it.

he lied about tens of thousands of Muslims cheering on 9/11, he's the world's most famous birther, he follows and retweets from white supremacists,

Is that a crime following a tweet? He also followed Rosie O' Donnell's tweets.

he was caught discriminating against black renters,

Sadly, but with good reason given the climate of the times in NYC during the 70's and 80's.

he wants to ban all Muslims from entering.

He wants stringent vetting, he should. Hate to break it to you, but over the last 20 years, the Jihadists haven't been exactly nice to the world and banning is such a lie, if that were the case then Indonesians or Turkish people wouldn't be allowed to come in, nice try.

But unless you have a signed confession or an EKG readout saying, "Racist" we just can't be sure....

I think we can be sure. LOL

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Look at all this evidence: a mountain of evidence.

But I disagree, therefore no racism.

It is painfully obvious when a racist unaware of their racism is defending another racist.

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I don't see the problem. He was a racist, but it's ok because black people are criminals. At least that's my take from reading these comments.

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It is painfully obvious when a racist unaware of their racism is defending another racist

Who’s the racist? The Democrats? Seems like when I drive through minority areas throughout the greater LA area, I can see how Democrats have helped these communities and that’s they didn’t, it’s the exact opposite. And yet, the Democrats defend their racist policies and could care less about any minority, as long as they can get their votes, what else are they good for? These people have NO shame whatsoever!

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Who’s the racist? 

Anyone who won't rent to people based on the colour of their skin, rather than their personal background. And anyone who thinks that is ok.

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The racists are those that say they wouldn't rent to an entire class of individuals because those individuals share the same skin color and some of that class are unsavory.

The conditionsbof major cities in the US have no bearing on whether Trump or some of his cheerleaders are racist. Zero relevance. The supposed racism of the Democratic Party also does not have any relevance to the issue of Trump's and some of his follower's racism. Zero. Nada.

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The racists are those that say they wouldn't rent to an entire class of individuals because those individuals share the same skin color and some of that class are unsavory.

It wasn’t about color. If it’s about color, then you can make that argument, but NYC was a very, very different place in those days. It was a real SH back in the 70’s and 80’s.

The conditionsbof major cities in the US have no bearing on whether Trump or some of his cheerleaders are racist. Zero relevance. The supposed racism of the Democratic Party

Supposed racism?? No, they have revelance, it’s funny, when things go good, the Dems want to take credit, every single time, when something goes bad, it’s the fault of the Republicans, not surprised, true liberal cowardice.

also does not have any relevance to the issue of Trump's and some of his follower's racism. Zero. Nada

Then if you go by that, the Dems are even bigger racists, because they make sure that their constituents stay loyal to the government bottle.

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If a Mexican-American judge from liberal Indiana cannot preside over a case involving issues related to bias against a Mexican, white judges cannot preside over similar cases with whites.

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The laws require the employer and landlords to be colored blind amongst an extensive list of others Ike age and sex.

But landlords also have the right to not let anyone in if they think the individual(s) are harming the property or the community

All the major criminals, like white collar crimes which is costing $500 billion every year, are in fact white, or at least non blacks. The majority of mass shootings are also by whites.

There is nearly a 70 percent chance that an African American man without a high school diploma will be imprisoned by his mid-thirties. Whose crimes are exceeding $179 billion, so what are the Democrats going to do to fight this massive problem? What and how do they propose to tackle the issues and rectify their polices that have destroyed an entire community.

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Trump only refused to rent to black people, not other people that were affected by the social situation in NYC in the 1970s. This means he was being racist.

The alleged actions of the Democratic Party or individual democrats is wholly unrelated to whether Trump is racist. Attempting to conflate the two demonstrates a lack of sophistication and an abundance of intellectual dishonesty.

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It wasn’t about color. 

It was literally about colour. He was denying all black people based on their being black.

You have stated that this type of racial discrimination is ok though:

Many of them were dealing, as far as dangerous, that would depend, but profiling we did, the police did, the store owners did, the crime rate for Blacks was so high back then, so yes, we did profile, maybe you don’t think it’s right

So the discussion isn't whether not it was racism - you've agreed it was, and we all agree it was. The issue now is whether racism is justified.

The declaration of independence says it's not. But some people place their political team over one of our most important documents.

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Landlords can discriminate on legitimate basis, but the color of one' skin is decidedly not a legitimate basis.

Democrats are not solely responsible for destroying minority communities. Claiming they are is merely hyper partisan trash. It is also completely unrelated to Trump being a racist.

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Trump only refused to rent to black people, not other people that were affected by the social situation in NYC in the 1970s. This means he was being racist.

No, because the area where Trump had his properties were areas that belonged to Frank Lucas and his partners and associates of the Colombo crime family, the mafia made it a rule not to deal in Black areas because they needed someone that could get their trust, but expand their operations and Blacks were some of the biggest consumers of crack and weed and other drugs as well. It was very unusual to see a lot of White people driving in heavily dominated Black areas unless they were there to buy. They controlled the area, not to mention the hundereds of abandoned buildings, the constant arsons that were happening, the corrupt police department, virtually every lawyer was out to make a buck and sell their soul and With all that, I can’t say I blame the man for wanting to protect his assets, wasn’t the color. If it were, Ivanka probably wouldn’t be married to a Jewish person or even think of appointing someone in his cabinet that is Black.

The alleged actions of the Democratic Party or individual democrats is wholly unrelated to whether Trump is racist.

Scurry like a crab, the Dems start a fire, but don’t want to put it out. It’s all related. The Dems are the most racist bunch of thugs out there and it makes me shake my head when I drive past cities like Compton or Long Beach or Oakland. Give us your vote and we will give you more entitlements. The party that gives the fish away, but doesn’t teach them how to fish.

Attempting to conflate the two demonstrates a lack of sophistication and an abundance of intellectual dishonesty.

Well, the left wallow in it and enough of it going around.

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Landlords can discriminate on legitimate basis, but the color of one' skin is decidedly not a legitimate basis.

I agree, so we think the same.

Democrats are not solely responsible for destroying minority communities.

Not entirely, Blacks need to take responsibility and accountability for their own actions, but the majority of them do vote Democrat and the Democrats have not been the friends of Black people and that’s being brutally honest and this is a very serious issue. Democrats are the party of government and relying on the government long term is a very bad thing.

Claiming they are is merely hyper partisan trash. It is also completely unrelated to Trump being a racist.

But the man is not a racist. Yes, liberals think so, don’t understand why, but I don’t believe so.

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Bass: There is nearly a 70 percent chance that an African American man without a high school diploma will be imprisoned by his mid-thirties

You've really become quite the expert on negative black statistics. And from a guy who typically doesn't read.

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You've really become quite the expert on negative black statistics. And from a guy who typically doesn't read.

No, but I don’t keep my head in the sand, I drive by a lot of black areas, I can see for myself you can see almost every major Black city in the US has a very high crime problem. That’s not an opinion, those are irrefutable facts. Again, it’s much easier for Democrats to dish out entitlements EBT cards, free cell phones than to give thes people training and a job placement or to help them further their education in order to be productive and contributing members of society. The left doesn’t see the need for this unfortunately.

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Trump is a racist. The irrefutable evidence has been repeatedly demonstrated on these threads.

The Democratic Party and blacks have nothing to do with the fact that Trump is a racist. People are free to believe incorrectly that he isn't, but that doesn't change that he is.

Making excuses for Truml's racism is enablinging it, at the very least.

Personal anecdotes do not strengthen an argument.

It is amazing to watch people demonstrate their own latent racism in defending Trump.

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The Republican Party is as equally to blame for the plight of minorities as the Democratic Party.

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 give thes people training and a job placement or to help them further their education in order to be productive and contributing members of society.

I'd really love to see these proposals from the GOP. Where are they? Never seen it happen.

 Democrats are the party of government and relying on the government long term is a very bad thing.

Nonsense. The GOP has no problem placing barriers to entry for potential competitors of their cronies. (See IP laws, medicare pharmaceutical negotiations, or ISP)

There is nearly a 70 percent chance that an African American man without a high school diploma will be imprisoned by his mid-thirties.

Whatever. I'm not buying your conservative facts.

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Whatever. I'm not buying your conservative facts.

Conservatives and facts are almost mutually exclusive.

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Trump is a racist. The irrefutable evidence has been repeatedly demonstrated on these threads.

Then that makes the Democrats the biggest racists on the planet. Funny, you don't see a lot of whites, foreigners or tourists in South Central, Oakland, Baltimore and almost every other Black city and the Democrats fix it by pouring in more government handouts. Yes, it worked so far for 50 years, Detroit is just a fun city to visit as well as Chicago.

The Democratic Party and blacks have nothing to do with the fact that Trump is a racist. People are free to believe incorrectly that he isn't, but that doesn't change that he is. 

The Democrat party has everything to do with racism and having racist policies that keep Blacks dependent on the government. Trump can't be a racist, doesn't make sense, having a jewish son in law and Carson secretary of HUD. How many whites know about how Blacks live, what they like, the music they listen to, how they socially interact?

Making excuses for Truml's racism is enablinging it, at the very least.

Making excuses for failed Democrat policies, but they always need a scapegoat, hmmmm....interesting.

Personal anecdotes do not strengthen an argument.

So why do you do it?

It is amazing to watch people demonstrate their own latent racism in defending Trump.

But the left want to justify defending their racism, I get it.

The Republican Party is as equally to blame for the plight of minorities as the Democratic Party.

Not at all because over 80% of Blacks vote Democratic and they vote for policies that produce and create poverty, not wealth, they vote for entitlements which is the main cause for the destruction of the Black family, the GOP are at fault for not doing a good job in the past of recruiting Blacks into the party in the past, but over the past 20 years that has changed significantly and funny that more Blacks do better learning that self-reliance is the only way.

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I'd really love to see these proposals from the GOP. Where are they? Never seen it happen.

Blue collar jobs, jobs in the IT industry, private schools, OJT, home schooling, incentives to hire and train people.

Nonsense. The GOP has no problem placing barriers to entry for potential competitors of their cronies. (See IP laws, medicare pharmaceutical negotiations, or ISP)

And Democrats have the H1B Visa program, they would rather hire foreign workers, cut their pay instead of hiring more and qualified Americans that can do the job equally and should have first run. The party that teaches government dependency is the only way.

Whatever. I'm not buying your conservative facts.

And I'm not buying your liberal excuses.

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Alkeged Democratic transgressions are absolutely irrelevant to Trump and some of his supporting being racist. There is no connection, so trying to establish one is insincere. It does demonstrate a lack of ability to refute the assertion that Trump and some of his followers are racist.

It is beyond the pale to read about Democrats having the H1B visa and using it to hire foreigners instead of Americans when it was Trump that just received 70 H1B visas to use foreign labor in Florida when a job placement agency has 5,000 American workers registered for the exact jobs Trump used foreign labor for.

I have not attempted to justify anyone's racism. I have pointed out other's racism and the ridiculousness of claiming that democrats are racist/solely responsible for the plight of minorities.

I have never used a personal anecdote to bolster an argument, but I have pointed out when others have done so.

Democrats do not implement policies that discourage self reliance.

The pure partisan propaganda from some posters is reaching a fevered pitch.

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I have never made an excuse for a Democratic policy that has allegedly been a failure. Additionally, anyone doing so has no bearing on the repugnance of Trump supporters enabling Trump's racism.

Why is it next to impossible for some posters to provide relevant retorts? These posters clearly lack a basic understanding of how to engage in critical discourse.

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It is beyond the pale to read about Democrats having the H1B visa and using it to hire foreigners instead of Americans when it was Trump that just received 70 H1B visas to use foreign labor in Florida when a job placement agency has 5,000 American workers registered for the exact jobs Trump used foreign labor for.

A deal which was already negotiated and signed under Obama before he left office.

From now the President wants to scale the program back as he should.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/business/h-1b-visa-tech-cheers-for-foreign-workers.html

I have not attempted to justify anyone's racism. I have pointed out other's racism and the ridiculousness of claiming that democrats are racist/solely responsible for the plight of minorities.

I have done the same in pointing out that racism is bad, but what happened in NYC during the 70’s and 80’s was a very desperate and dark time for the big Apple. It wasn’t ridiculous when the facts are that Democratic policies have hurt Black people more than helped them overall. That’s not my opinion, that’s an irrefutable fact.

I have never used a personal anecdote to bolster an argument, but I have pointed out when others have done so.

As do I.

Democrats do not implement policies that discourage self reliance.

They don’t encourage the, as a party, they don’t push self-reliance or small government either, but they DO promote social services and entitlements heavily which is the actual problem.

The pure partisan propaganda from some posters is reaching a fevered pitch.

Hey, if the shoe fits.

I have never made an excuse for a Democratic policy that has allegedly been a failure. Additionally, anyone doing so has no bearing on the repugnance of Trump supporters enabling Trump's racism.

Well, the man is not a racist.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/29/1999-jesse-jackson-praises-trumps-commitment-to-minorities-under-served-communities-video/

Also hanging out with Sharpton and Don King in the past, racists usually never do that, never. So I guess Trump is a selective racist for libs, he has a Jewish son in law, Ben Carson on his team, a Black spokeswoman, but he’s a racist. Lol

Keep trying guy, love the effort.

Why is it next to impossible for some posters to provide relevant retorts? These posters clearly lack a basic understanding of how to engage in critical discourse.

We both finally agree on something.

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Blue collar jobs, jobs in the IT industry, private schools, OJT, home schooling, incentives to hire and train people.

Those are a bunch of words. Where are the plans? I mean actual proposals, I want to see them.

Also, home schooling has nothing to do employment or empowerment.

H1B Visa program, they would rather hire foreign workers

H1B visas are for skilled labor, it hasn't affected salaries. The reason they need foreign labor is because there is a shortage of STEM students.

And I'm not buying your liberal excuses.

Over your head. ;)

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It doesn't matter when Trump applied for the H1B visas. If he were serious about putting America first, he would have known there was a 5,000-strong pool of Americans looking for the jobs he filled with foreigners.

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H1B visas are for skilled labor, it hasn't affected salaries.

For Americans it has, these companies that employ these foreigners most of the time pay them 30% less than an American that has the same exact abilities.

The reason they need foreign labor is because there is a shortage of STEM students.

No, there are over 350 thousand Americans “that are qualified” that could do the job as well as any foreigner. These companies want to make as much money as possible which I don’t begrudge, however, I do think they should hire Americans first, fill those slots and then if needed fill them with foreign qualified workers.

Over your head. ;)

I don’t do drugs. Lol

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It is hilarious to read someone defending Trump using H1B visas to fill 70 jobs in Florida when there were/are over 5,000 citizens/residence that were/are looking for those exact jobs and then rage against companies for also using the H1B because those companies supposedly pay immigrants 30% less than citizens/residents.

I know I can always count on certain posters for a good laugh.

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Accusing Trump of racism is like accusing Hitler of not liking Jews.

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he shouldn’t budge an inch if he doesn’t get any funding on the wall

The only thing the wall will do is provide more sales for ladders. Trump broke his promise on the wall. There is no wall. And even if there was there would be ladders and Mexicans will keep going over and over.

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1.) Dishonest Don ended DACA by executive order. He could easily and quickly solve the DACA problem by rescinding his earlier XO, or by signing a new executive order re-instating the DACA program.

2.) After going on TV and saying that he would sign any DACA legislation that Congress presented to him, he has since said that he will not sign the bipartisan DACA bill that Congress was ready to give him.

3.) Democrats, and some Republicans, are fed up with his lying, and rightfully so.

Regarding border security:

1.) Most people in this country illegally came in legally, by plane, ship, or car, not by sneaking across the southern border. A physical wall along that border will not stop most of the people who come here legally on tourist, worker, or student visas.

2.) There is already a wall along 700 miles of the 2,000 mile border. The wall was constructed in the areas where it was deemed needed. To build a physical wall along all 2,000 miles of the border would be a waste of money.

3.) Regarding hispanics, for the last few years there have been more hispanics illegally here leaving the country, than coming into the country. Again, a wall, while attractive to Dishonest Don's base, will be a waste of money.

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@Bundie

> Sounds like "he's racist because he's racist" circular thinking to me.

He's a racist because he supports racists, such as the Tiki Torchers in Charlotte, by making a false equivalent between them and Antifa. There's nothing circular about that.

Or do you think there is a legitimate moral equivalence between a racist who kills someone with a car and the Antifa protesters in Charlotte?

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