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"If the president can arbitrarily shut down the government now, he will do it time and again," Warner said.

Exactly. If he gets his own way using the shutdown he will do it every time to get his own way.

Like a child throwing a tantrum, he needs to be taught that others will not give in and let him have his way.

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Trump has become the boy who cried wolf. He lies so much that no one can believe one word he says. If the Democrats accepted the deal, he could easily take the DACA and TPA deal away. That's what liars do.

If you add Obama’s IQ and Trump’s IQ you get Obama’s IQ.

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"No, Amnesty is not a part of my offer

Donny boy letting Coulter decide for him.

Amnesty will be used only on a much bigger deal.

Better run it through Coulter, she’s not going to like this one bit.

When a hater, who even other haters think hates too much, dictates government policy, it’s a sad sad day.

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Threats, lies, empty promises, blaming, "fake stuff" ......

..... this seems to be his "little world".

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Trump got slapped around by the right wing MSM again.

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The circus continues.

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The key problem was tucked away in the final paragraph:

Trump's changing position poses a problem for resolving the border security issue.

The master negotiator made a rookie negotiator mistake - he made a deal, then reneged on it before it was signed.

On a one-time deal, that kind of move can be made, as there is no need for a future relationship with the other negotiator. It's sneaky, but it can work. In this case however, the Republicans will always have to deal with the Democrats. Pulling the rug out from under the deal right as it's about to be signed damages all future negotiations, as it can never be trusted that what you say you are agreeing to is something you will actually agree to.

For those intelligent enough to understand the above, it's enough reason to oppose Trump on the wall, in and of itself. The original deal must be respected. However, as we all know, the general American public is not particularly informed nor intelligent, so they will not understand this particularly reason as to why the Democrats should react so strongly to Trump's underhanded maneuvering. Fortunately, the people don't want the wall, and have been clear on that, so the Democrats are on the side of the people. Particularly as Trump claimed the shutdown himself, and campaigned on Mexico paying for a wall.

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Trump appeared to be responding to conservative critics who accused him of proposing amnesty and reneging on a campaign promise, which could alienate his right-wing base.

The "Great Orange Negotiator" negotiates himself right into a dead end. He stupidly shut down the government after being humiliated by Coulter, Ingram and Linbaugh, that left him no off-ramp or out. And now our security and many federal workers are suffering, and govt has to reopen. He's got to do something but when he tries, he gets more humiliation from his far right "friends"....

Look for the typical Trumper responses here - "this is all Nancy and Chuck's fault" - BS. This is all about Conservatives.

Trump said he "owns" the Shutdown - it's his "mantle". To get out, he has to offer the Democrats something. Yet every time he tries, the far right will turn on him and call him "Jeb" and a "Loser" offering "amnesty".

And the great Conservative civil war erupts again.

Who's side are you on Trumpers? Trump? Or Coulter, Ingram, Malkin, Limbaugh, et al?

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lincolnmanToday 08:06 am JST

Who's side are you on Trumpers? Trump? Or Coulter, Ingram, Malkin, Limbaugh, et al?

I'll be very surprised if any of them manage anything like a straight answer and don't go off again on their favourite pet rant topics.

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I can't imagine this fake counter will do much to move the needle. An overwhelming number of Americans will still blame him and the GOP for the shutdown.

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If you add Obama’s IQ and Trump’s IQ you get Obama’s IQ.

LOL!!!!

The "Great Orange Negotiator"

HAHAHAA!

For those intelligent enough to understand the above, it's enough reason to oppose Trump on the wall, in and of itself. The original deal must be respected. However, as we all know, the general American public is not particularly informed nor intelligent, so they will not understand this particularly reason as to why the Democrats should react so strongly to Trump's underhanded maneuvering. Fortunately, the people don't want the wall, and have been clear on that, so the Democrats are on the side of the people. Particularly as Trump claimed the shutdown himself, and campaigned on Mexico paying for a wall.

For those not intelligent enough to understand SL's post- I'll make it even easier to understand. Trump wants wall for security. Trump shuts down gov to get wall. Gov shutdown means even less security. So Trump dimishes US security for a wall supposed to enhance US security. Make sense?

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During the 2020 campaign, I hope the Democrats take a cue from Trump and pick an appropriate epithet with which to smear the incumbent. I suggest "Shutdown Don."

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With a lawyer like Giuliani, who needs prosecutors? Every time that guy opens his mouth, he digs deeper Trump's hole. Watching him retreat mile by mile is entertaining.

As for Trump's "compromise," it's a non-starter. Dreamers are already guaranteed a two-year extension of their residency, and Dems will not abide hostage-taking.

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As for Trump's "compromise," it's a non-starter. Dreamers are already guaranteed a two-year extension of their residency, and Dems will not abide hostage-taking.

And nor should they. The precedent it would set would be permanently damaging to America. This president has already eroded the norms enough.

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The President has put forth initial offers to get negotiations underway.

Dems refuse to even come to the table.

Dems have withdrawn from the governing process.

They believe negotiating with the President indicates a political failure for them.

In reality, withdrawing from negotiations is their political failure.

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Trump did not make clear what he was referring to 

When does he ever make clear what he's referring to.

And if he might read something correctly from the teleprompter (why was it bad when Obama read from one?), it's likely he'll veer off on a tangent, then the next day flip-flop, then say he didn't say that, then get Rudy G. to say he didn't say what the tape recorder and video showed until Rudy later says he never said that.

And it could be once again he's waiting to be told what to say by Coulter, Limbaugh, Hannity, Carlson, Bannon, Ingraham and his other right wing media handlers in the US, or perhaps by RT/Sputnik and others 'abroad'.

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I swear, the same photo of Pence is always photoshopped into the background of every photo of Trump. You know, with the "I'm happy because I'll be POTUS soon" look.

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The extreme-right media erupts, Trump walks it back. That's how this mess began, with his taking orders from Hannity and Coulter. Who voted for them?

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Dump's Motto: Fake it Until You Make It.

LOL! Worst President Ever!

**Which also says a lot about his supporters!***

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Bennie Thompson, the Democratic chair of the House Homeland Security committee, said Democrats were not opposed to physical barriers on the southern border

Pelosi will straighten this guy out by tomorrow. The talking point now is that the barriers she voted for in the past are now immoral.

President Trump has indicated again that he is willing to go against his base for a big immigration deal. Pelosi and the 12 angry Dem Senators and half a dozen US House members that are running for president will never sacrifice the wedge issue and the anger they can generate by pretending to support immigrants while simultaneously voting against compromises that would provide them relief. It's why Obama never bothered to address the issue during the nearly two years he had a fiilibustor proof majority in Congress. It's cynical but effective in running up blinded anger from the Leftist base.

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President Trump has indicated again that he is willing to go against his base for a big immigration deal.

As the wishes for a wall go against the wishes of the American people, he's right to ignore his base who are anti American.

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In exchange for $6 billion and an agreement that Dreamers will be deported in three years, "Putin's Puppet" will release his stranglehold on the American economy. What a deal.

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That's how this mess began, with his taking orders from Hannity and Coulter.

Coulter described Trump as “a shallow, lazy ignoramus”. Anyone with a shred of honesty can see this when he attempts to speak about anything of substance. She also noted, with many others, his habit of agreeing with the last person who spoke to him.

It is no surprise that he is so easily manipulated.

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The talking point now is that the barriers she voted for in the past are now immoral

The barriers voted for in the past have been built. Where has she even considered the idea of these being immoral?

You can't even compare the barriers designed in the past to what Trump's wall is projected to be.

compromises that would provide them relief.

What relief? He's offered no amnesty with a 3 year extension over an already agreed 2 year extension. Makes absolutely 0 difference in the grand scheme of things.

Btw, I feel comfortable saying most of the anger generated in America is a result of Trump's acceptance of xenophobic morals and yearnings for an isolated America. Seems like the MAGA caps are more and more becoming a symbol for white supremacy than "Nationalism" if that is what you would like to call it.

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WolfpackToday  10:51 am JST

Bennie Thompson, the Democratic chair of the House Homeland Security committee, said Democrats were not opposed to physical barriers on the southern border

I see you didn't quote the whole sentence:

...but Trump's changing position poses a problem for resolving the border security issue.

More than a bit disingenuous, isn't it?

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In reality, withdrawing from negotiations is their political failure.

It was Trump who stormed out of a meeting with the Democrats, are you referring to that withdrawal?

Negotiation is about understanding your strengths, which Donny boy obviously doesn't.

He offers concessions which are already guaranteed by law, goes back on his word when his hater base revolts.

Wouldn't it be better if the democrats cut out the middleman and directly negotiated with Coulter?

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A president who doesn't give a crap about the common man.

Can't wait to see Trump lose re-election, be impeached, resign or whatever.

What kind of a president shuts down his own government? Putin's only a phone call away, so maybe the Donald has been crying on his shoulder and asking for advice.

How else can you explain this craziness?

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President Trump has indicated again that he is willing to go against his base for a big immigration deal.

It does no matter. Ann Coulter does not want any of it. And as long as she doesn't there will be no deal unless it is 100% wall. No freebies for illegals. Even if it is for 2 years. That is the only way Ann Coulter will agree and this deal can go forward

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Trump has become the boy who cried wolf. He lies so much that no one can believe one word he says.

Ok, so we have TRUMP lies and Democrat lies, which is worse. I’ll say this, Democrats lies are better constructed, lame, but better layered nonetheless.

If the Democrats accepted the deal, he could easily take the DACA and TPA deal away. That's what liars do.

Yes, but it’s a starting point, Trump cares about as much for the DACA recipients as much as the Democrats care about border security.

If you add Obama’s IQ and Trump’s IQ you get Obama’s IQ

Yeah, but all that IQ and Obama ain’t President now (thank God) and he still couldn’t get flourishing ecoomy over 3% GDP

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Yes, but it’s a starting point

What good is it if Ann Coulter doesn't want it?

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@bass4funk

It takes time, years, for economic policies to have an observable effect. What we generally are seeing now is a result of Obama's era, outside of the stock market (That I'll give to Trump, a little bit uneasy but not doing bad currently). I imagine we will begin to see the effects of Trump's policies on the economy in the next 1 to 3 years...and you can be assured that if the shutdown continues, the effects on the economy won't be too great.

Have you ever taken a class on economy or business? It's a pretty general concept, results don't usually happen over night.

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Donny boy can barely manage a coherent thought, his lawyer needs to be in the loony bin, now his hater base is turning his back on him.

Can things be any worse for this sorry excuse of a President .

@deadgood there's no point teaching economics to the unlettered.

The only argument the haters have is 'what if he doesnt have a brain , at least the economy is doing well'.

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Have you ever taken a class on economy or business? It's a pretty general concept, results don't usually happen over night.

I understand that, but the man was horrible when it came to the economy and job creation particularly within the private sector.

Donny boy can barely manage a coherent thought, his lawyer needs to be in the loony bin, now his hater base is turning his back on him. 

Really? Is that what the media is telling you guys again?

Can things be any worse for this sorry excuse of a President .

@deadgood there's no point teaching economics to the unlettered.

The only argument the haters have is 'what if he doesnt have a brain , at least the economy is doing well'.

In the words quoted by Democrat James Carville, it’s always about the economy stupid.

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but the man was horrible when it came to the economy and job creation particularly within the private sector.

Then we should have voted for Bill Gates if you wanted a real Billionaire. He would be creating even more jobs than Trump since Gates is 50-80x richer. Right? It shows that Trump was a poor choice.

Yeah, but all that IQ and Obama ain’t President now (thank God) and he still couldn’t get flourishing ecoomy over 3% GDP

What is the shutdown going to do to it? What if it is 2007 all over again and there is a crash like in 2008? Whose fault is it? Hillary's?

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The real trick to illegal immigration is to make the USA less inviting, harder to live in if you aren't there legally.

Extending the Dreamer's protection wasn't much of an offer from a Democratic standpoint. They won't accept anything less than 100% amnesty and those here today and for all future children under 18 brought into the USA illegally. That won't exactly help with making the USA less inviting for illegal immigration.

Typical Democratic non-solution. Expand the roles of very poor voters, so they can increase taxes for govt programs, to help the low-end economy.

BTW - Chip - according to Pew, 60% of Americans earning under $30K/yr either are democrats or lean towards the democratic party. http://www.people-press.org/2016/09/13/2016-party-identification-detailed-tables/ 32% lean republican.

The Republicans have a tax no more than necessary philosophy, even if they've forgotten that the last 30+ yrs.

It is up to the American voters to beat into our representatives the core ideas we want followed.

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The real trick to illegal immigration is to make the USA less inviting, harder to live in if you aren't there legally.

Fu, I agree. E-Verify would go a long way towards accomplishing that. Sadly, the business lobby opposes it.

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In the words quoted by Democrat James Carville, it’s always about the economy stupid.

You brilliantly blew this out of the water by pointing out that still unnamed non-partisan historians regard the Bush 2 years as a success, despite the fact he blew a surplus before seeing the economy fly off the cliff on his watch.

Clearly economic success isn’t the only metric by which you judge a president.

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You brilliantly blew this out of the water

I agree!

Clearly economic success isn’t the only metric by which you judge a president.

No, by the economy primarily. I’m happy.

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No, by the economy primarily. I’m happy.

Then we should have elected a real businessperson like Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos. Real billionaires!! Trump??? What a laugh

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Clearly economic success isn’t the only metric by which you judge a president.

No, by the economy primarily

So why do you and your still unnamed non-partisan historians regard Bush 2 as a success?

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I understand that, but the man was horrible when it came to the economy and job creation particularly within the private sector.

This just goes to show you how far out from reality Trumpers are - Bush Jr and the Repubs withdrew all the restraints for their buddies on Wall Street so they could merge their bank and investment businesses and bundle all their bad debt into consolidated debt obligations. Then bam - it all goes bad and the entire economy craters. Obama inherited the worst economy since Roosevelt.

He then put in place the Volker rules which prevent Wall Street one-percenters from crashing things again - but.....the Repubs want to roll them back. Got to stick up for their one-percent Wall Street brothers...

Without Obama there would be no GM, no Ford, no Chrysler...the Repubs wanted to let them all go bankrupt (Ford couldn't survive without the other two). Millions of auto workers, and millions more auto suppliers out of work - and a depression.

If Trump was President in 2008 Americans would now be caravaning TO Honduras instead of the other way around...and that's still possible....

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The Nan-Chuck Shutdown continues.

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If you add Obama’s IQ and Trump’s IQ you get Obama’s IQ.

That must be why even with the sitting POTUS Obama and the media and Hollywood campaigning for Hillary, Trump won the election.

It really pretty funny how easily Trump plays these guys. He is totally driving their bus emotionally, making them dig in their heels showing their complete unwillingness to compromise on things they historically have already agreed with, while simultaneously dodging all of the slings, arrows and false accusations leveled against him by the rabid anti-Ttrump media. I'm just waiting for Pelosi's head to literally explode on live TV.

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The Nan-Chuck Shutdown continues.

You guys looooove trying to re-write history.

It’s Trump’s shutdown:

If you say who gets fired, it always has to be the top. Problems start from the top, and they have to get solved from the top, and the president’s the leader, and he’s got to get everybody in a room, and he’s got to lead. And he doesn’t do that, he doesn’t like doing that, that’s not his strength."

"when they talk about the government shutdown, they’re going to be talking about the president of the United States, who the president was at that time. They’re not going to be talking about who was the head of the House, the head the Senate, who’s running things in Washington. So I really think the pressure is on the president."

“FACT – the reason why Americans have to worry about a government shutdown is because Obama refuses to pass a budget.”

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So why do you and your still unnamed non-partisan historians regard Bush 2 as a success?

Various reasons, wasn’t a wimp that’s for sure.

This just goes to show you how far out from reality Trumpers are - Bush Jr and the Repubs withdrew all the restraints for their buddies on Wall Street so they could merge their bank and investment businesses and bundle all their bad debt into consolidated debt obligations. Then bam - it all goes bad and the entire economy craters. Obama inherited the worst economy since Roosevelt. 

And Trump thank God brought it out of the abyss to a functioning 3.0% GDP

Without Obama there would be no GM, no Ford, no Chrysler...the Repubs wanted to let them all go bankrupt (Ford couldn't survive without the other two). Millions of auto workers, and millions more auto suppliers out of work - and a depression. 

Personally, I never the bailouts or Tarp, that’s why we have bankruptcy laws, if they fail, let them use the laws and restructure themselves. GM is already once again in the dumps and all a waste and for what?

If Trump was President in 2008 Americans would now be caravaning TO Honduras instead of the other way around...and that's still possible....

If The previous President were President now, he would have finished completing cutting off international and private investments, tax code, and the private sector would have been completely destroyed.

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So finally the haters hate Trump!!!

When their fantasy walls and immigrant cull dreams turn to dust they turn on each other.

The only point our hillybilly economists have is 3.0 GDP, without barely a clue about what that actually means!

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What is so interesting is, Democrats could care less what goes on around the border, they say they care, but never give us detailed information or proof to show us how they care. They think, they just say, “we care” and the rest of us just say, “that’s great.” And no one is buying it. At least Trump is throwing something out there and some of the DACA recipients are at least open to hearing the details.

Thank God The President is doing and polling better with Hispanics, at least they see he cares about the border and while the Democrats are completely incognito on the issue, let’s hope that they can put their money where their mouth is and give us a real detailed plan as to how they would secure our open borders. If they don’t want to make a deal, then the President under any circumstance should try and take the next initiative step.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/06/28/trumps_approval_rating_rises_among_hispanics_137382.html

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The only point our hillybilly economists have is 3.0 GDP, without barely a clue about what that actually means!

Hillbilly, eh......

https://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2011/08/31/obama-a-bad-economic-president-consider-it-proved/#72aca2587d7b

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/368904-economists-agree-trump-not-obama-gets-credit-for-economy

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By rejecting President Trump's reasonable plan, the democrats have shown they do not care about: (a) the 800,000 government workers not getting paychecks that they’ve been whining about, and (b) the million DACA recipients.

They have also shown they have no willingness to work with the President. Our POTUS didn’t even have to play them; in their vile hatred and stupidity, they played themselves. Nan-Chuck now officially own the shutdown.

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Yes please explain to me why a 3.0 GDP is bad, but only after Trump gives it to us.

Yep Dems own the shutdown now. trump made his offer and they declined before it even came out of his mouth. If no counter offer, ball is in your court and you own it

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They have also shown they have no willingness to work with the President. Our POTUS didn’t even have to play them; in their vile hatred and stupidity, they played themselves. Nan-Chuck now officially own the shutdown.

Bingo!

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I think what Trump fans have two basic positions in this debate: Trump never went on national TV and claimed ownership and Trump didn't back out of the original agreement to make additional demands.

So when you debate a Trump fan, remember that those two events have been scrubbed out of their history.

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So when you debate a Trump fan, remember that those two events have been scrubbed out of their history.

They also scrubbed him being very clear during the shutdown during Obama’s presidency that a shutdown is the responsibility of the president.

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The haters with their short term memory forget that it was Donny Boy who stomped his feet, banged on the table , hollered and screamed and stormed out of a meeting with the Democrats .

Also, though not surprising considering they are not the brightest of the bulbs, they forget that Democrats offered Donny Boy $ 25 Billion a year ago but leader of the single digit IQs did not understand what he was getting and stalled.

Maybe peddling hillbilly economics is much better, reposting old links is not difficult, especially if you just read the headline and not the content.

Someone should explain to them what the Forbes article really means.

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So much intellectual dishonesty on their side.

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This just goes to show you how far out from reality Trumpers are - Bush Jr and the Repubs withdrew all the restraints for their buddies on Wall Street so they could merge their bank and investment businesses and bundle all their bad debt into consolidated debt obligations. Then bam - it all goes bad and the entire economy craters. Obama inherited the worst economy since Roosevelt. 

And Trump thank God brought it out of the abyss to a functioning 3.0% GDP

An abyss is this: *The Great Recession—which officially lasted from December 2007 to June 2009—began with the bursting of an 8 trillion dollar housing bubble. The resulting loss of wealth led to sharp cutbacks in consumer spending. ... This was the most dramatic employment contraction (by far) of any recession since the Great Depression.*

All courtesy of Bush Jr and the Republicans...

Without Obama there would be no GM, no Ford, no Chrysler...the Repubs wanted to let them all go bankrupt (Ford couldn't survive without the other two). Millions of auto workers, and millions more auto suppliers out of work - and a depression. 

Personally, I never the bailouts or Tarp, that’s why we have bankruptcy laws, if they fail, let them use the laws and restructure themselves. GM is already once again in the dumps and all a waste and for what?

Hear about the new 2020 mid-engined Corvette?

If Trump was President in 2008 Americans would now be caravaning TO Honduras instead of the other way around...and that's still possible....

If The previous President were President now, he would have finished completing cutting off international and private investments, tax code, and the private sector would have been completely destroyed.

FRFT (Far right fairy tales). We're being led by an incompetent that has declared bankruptcy six times...

By rejecting President Trump's reasonable plan, the democrats have shown they do not care about: (a) the 800,000 government workers not getting paychecks that they’ve been whining about, and (b) the million DACA recipients.

You mean the amnesty bill? The one all the right wing media talking heads call "a loser"? You guys support that?

They have also shown they have no willingness to work with the President. Our POTUS didn’t even have to play them; in their vile hatred and stupidity, they played themselves. Nan-Chuck now officially own the shutdown.

Their bill to fully fund the government for 30 days while negotiating border security is on the table - Donnie is the one saying "No" and stamping out of meetings like a two-year old... He owns it, just like he said he would...

Yep Dems own the shutdown now. trump made his offer and they declined before it even came out of his mouth. If no counter offer, ball is in your court and you own it

See above - The Trump Shutdown or "Donnie's Dilemma"...

And how come no Trumper will answer my question - who is right - Trump (deal) or Coulter (amnesty)?

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es please explain to me why a 3.0 GDP is bad, but only after Trump gives it to us.

He's taking it away because of the shutdown. All because Ann Coulter told him to. Fine, keep the Trumps going for the next 20 presidencies if we can keep the GDP at 3.0. But if Ann Coulter keeps ordering Trump to shut the government down the economy will contract. We cannot sustain a GDP 3.0 with Ann Coulter in charge.

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Trumpists: Trump should shut down the government, like he said he would, it’ll be great!

Also Trumpists: How dare Nancy shut down the government by (checks notes) passing bills in the House to reopen the government.

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So much intellectual dishonesty on their side.

So why do Democrats have a problem with honesty?

All courtesy of Bush Jr and the Republicans...

True, but that has nothing to do with this....

“Blue-collar jobs are growing at their fastest rate in more than 30 years, helping fuel a hiring boom in many small towns and rural areas that are strong supporters of President Trump ahead of November’s midterm elections. Jobs in goods-producing industries – mining, construction and manufacturing – grew 3.3 percent in the year preceding July, the best rate since 1984, according to a Washington Post analysis.”

5) Hillary couldn’t win on Obama’s record: Lastly, if Obama’s economy was so great, why couldn’t Hillary Clinton ride the wave into the presidency like George H.W. Bush was able to do with Ronald Reagan? The truth is miners, manufactures, construction workers and CEOs were sick of being kicked in the teeth by Obama-led Democrats. Trump offered hope for former Obama voters in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin that handed him the victory over Hillary in 2016.

Pelosi and the Democrats are beyond stupid if they think they can do remotely better. Need to set aside the political rhetoric and focus for once on policies that benefit the entire country and not to keep Dems and big government in office.

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if Obama’s economy was so great,

But Ann Coulter is killing Trump's 3.0 GDP economy. Fine, let Barron Trump run if the Trump magic works. But what's the point of Ann Coulter keeps ordering Trump to shut down the government. Trump made the forever 3.0 GDP growth and Ann Coulter is taking it away.

Blue-collar jobs are growing at their fastest rate in more than 30 years

And Ann Coulter is reversing this

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All courtesy of Bush Jr and the Republicans...

True, but that has nothing to do with this....

Wrong. They crashed the economy then, they can do it again with their gifts to Wall Street one-percenters...

“Blue-collar jobs are growing at their fastest rate in more than 30 years, helping fuel a hiring boom in many small towns and rural areas that are strong supporters of President Trump ahead of November’s midterm elections. Jobs in goods-producing industries – mining, construction and manufacturing – grew 3.3 percent in the year preceding July, the best rate since 1984, according to a Washington Post analysis.”

Not in the small towns and on farms that are suffering from his tariffs...

5) Hillary couldn’t win on Obama’s record: Lastly, if Obama’s economy was so great, why couldn’t Hillary Clinton ride the wave into the presidency like George H.W. Bush was able to do with Ronald Reagan? The truth is miners, manufactures, construction workers and CEOs were sick of being kicked in the teeth by Obama-led Democrats. Trump offered hope for former Obama voters in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin that handed him the victory over Hillary in 2016.

Putin...

Pelosi and the Democrats are beyond stupid if they think they can do remotely better. Need to set aside the political rhetoric and focus for once on policies that benefit the entire country and not to keep Dems and big government in office.

Yada, yada, yada, still waiting for answer; And how come no Trumper will answer my question - who is right - Trump (deal) or Coulter (amnesty)?

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Wrong. They crashed the economy then, they can do it again with their gifts to Wall Street one-percenters...

Could, but at this pace and as long as you don’t allow the Democrats to get their socialist greedy mitts on it, then it shouldn’t happen.

Not in the small towns and on farms that are suffering from his tariffs...

Depends, but the Democrats haven’t created jobs in rece;t memory, that’s how Trump could pull voters from reliable blue States, States that voted for Obama.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/betting-farm-why-heartland-still-believes-trump-despite-plunging-prices-n886941

Yada, yada, yada

Typical corner retort.

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but at this pace and as long as you don’t allow the Democrats to get their socialist greedy mitts on it, then it shouldn’t happen.

Look at what Ann Coulter is doing. How can we continue the economy if air traffic controllers cannot control planes which are the highway of the US economy. Ann Coulter is in control of Trump and it's taking down the US.

how Trump could pull voters from reliable blue States

Is Trump creating more jobs than Obama because he's a good businessman. Then should have elected Bill Gates or Bezos because those real billionaires would have created many many more jobs than Trump. Trump is a joker's billionaire compared to the genius (and billions) of Bill Gates. And now Ann Coulter is bringing it all down.

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Bass:. So why do Democrats have a problem with honesty?

Your boy Trump backed out of the deal and went on national TV and said he will own the shutdown.

That happened. It was a real thing.

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Could, but at this pace and as long as you don’t allow the Democrats to get their socialist greedy mitts on it, then it shouldn’t happen.

Democrats aren't socialist. It was republicans and their greedy mits and ignorance that caused the economy to tank under Bush II. Trump and his people are far more ignorant than Bush II and his people, so your faith is utterly misplaced.

Depends, but the Democrats haven’t created jobs in rece;t memory, that’s how Trump could pull voters from reliable blue States, States that voted for Obama.

Obama grew the private sector whilst shrinking the public sector and kicked off the current bull market. Hyper-partisan conservatives wouldn't remember this job and wealth creation under Obama though. ROFL! Smh. Kudos. Oh my . . . Unicornverse. Lol! HAR!

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They’re not advocating anything on a capitalist platform either, so......

Try doing a little research instead of drinking the nonsense you're fed in the bubble.

It was Democrats that ignored the private sector and were completely content with an under performing GDP, ignored the corporate tax rate, international business investment and focused only on the government sector.

Reality does not support these assertions.

What?

My post was quite clear.

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Reality does not support these assertions.

But then there are true believers (cult members and others born-to-follow), fundamentalists and partisan extremists who can only see reality in black-white, opposing poles, zero-one, either-or terms.

Fortunately they're a minority in most cultures.

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Still waiting for answer; And how come no Trumper will answer my question - who is right - Trump (deal) or Coulter (amnesty)?

And the silence continues...I guess it's brain lock....

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Still waiting for answer; And how come no Trumper will answer my question - who is right - Trump (deal) or Coulter (amnesty)?

Coulter wants amnesty?

Oh my...

Walls Work, Just Ask Nancy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu326nF5Ksg&index=2&list=WL

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