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Anger erupts at U.N. climate summit as major economies resist bold action

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The only contribution these “ summits “ could hope to make is to cancel themselves but as long as food and drinks and 2 week” paid holidays” are in the offering the delegates will never do that.

why are these “ summits” not held by video conference ?

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Why are counties such as India, China and Brazil so reluctant to agree to such climate change fighting measures?

1: They are not fully convinced of the 'gravity' of the situation due to the dodgy 'science' behind it?

2: They're not willing to be told by wealthy nations, on the basis of said dodgy science, to take measures that will severely hamper economic growth while the majority of thier own people live in relative poverty?

I'm all for these countries tackling the pollutants they are poisoning themselves with (note the poor air quality in China's big cities) but not not the extreme extent pushed by climate alarmism.

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Show me the money!!!

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The climate change debate needs a little tolerance, compassion and inclusion.

Tolerance of differing views.

Compassion towards those who have views that differ from yours.

Inclusion of all opinions... not just the "consensus".

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why are these “ summits” not held by video conference ?

Every conference I've attended the last 20 yrs (2-3 yearly), the most important parts happened in the hallway-track and evenings, not in the different presentation sessions. The informal BoF sessions usually happen at the end of they day where groups in similar situations gather to discuss their efforts, success and failures.

If you are an island nation, make a plan to become like Venice or start hydraulically lift large buildings. This is possible today.

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Every conference I've attended the last 20 yrs (2-3 yearly), the most important parts happened in the hallway-track and evenings

Exactly. But you're using real-world reality-based reasoning making that claim. That flies in the face of the Batman/Superman world of the conspiracy theorists where evil forces like 'the deep state' prevail and are allowed to Trump reality.

Show me the money!!!

Exactly! Show me where the world's richest, i.e. those running the globe's banks and financial systems,

the globe's big oil and other resource extractors,

the globe's farming and ranching corporations,

the globe's clothing manufacturers,

the globe's vehicle manufacturers,

the globe's power plant operators and their fellow polluters stand and how they're using their wealth and power to continue their control. Which includes funding scientists to push their lies.

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It's good that the endangered nations have a voice in this process.   And good that youngsters remind us to listen to the scientists.

Those things, along with the plunging prices in renewables, the improved agricultural methods, and the increased awareness of the public give me a bit of hope.

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"At a time when scientists are queuing up to warn about terrifying consequences if emissions keep rising, and school children are taking to the streets in their millions,

Utter scare-mongering and manipulation of kids. The scientists are not "queuing up" and the 97% "consensus" is a made-up figure by politicians and bureaucrats.

Consensus is used for Politics and PTA meetings

Accepted is used for Science

Belief is used for Religion

The believers need to put their bias' aside and be more open to differing views. The people who control the narrative know this is not about CO2 causing "catastrophic climate change." As commenters have said here before, people like Al Gore and Obama have bought luxury houses on the coast (sea level rise?) while others have admitted what the agenda is.

No matter if the science of global warming is all phony... climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world." - Christine Stewart, former Canadian Minister of the Environment

“We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.” - Timothy Wirth (President, UN Foundation)

“This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution.” (and) “This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history.” Christiana Figueres, Executive Secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change

“The goal now is a socialist, redistributionist society, which is nature’s proper steward and society’s only hope.” – David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club, founder of Friends of the Earth

· “…one has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth…” – IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer, speaking in November 2010

"Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?" - Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme

The IPCC and UN are corrupt and anything coming from them should be taken with a grain of salt.

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If big economies such as China, India, Japan, Brazil, Australia and others fail to agree more meaningful climate action soon, then scientists say already slim hopes of averting catastrophic temperature rises will all but vanish.

Oh my...

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/11/14/climate-change-already-past-point-no-return-warns-union-concerned-scientists/

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No country going to compromise living standards or ongoing quest for economic growth for green reasons. Tragedy of the commons.

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Anger erupts at U.N. climate summit as major economies resist bold action

The major economies do not want to commit economic suicide. What a surprise.

Instead of clamouring ever bigger "commitments", the climate church preachers should tell us what exactly, in terms of technology, they want the countries to do. It is cheap to write policy statements. And stop phantasizing about solar panels and windmills.

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The major economies do not want to commit economic suicide. What a surprise.

The major economies, meaning their leaders - if you can call them that - refuse to take action that may help to save this earth. Their ostrich 'stick the head in the sand', indicating their stupidity attitude, will seal not only the fate of the believers' in climate change, but their own generation, offspring and the next. Do they see the faces of the latter? Do they live with that and sleep peacefully at night? Ask yourself, who put these people in power?

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presto345 - Ask yourself, who put these people in power?

Yes, you need to ask yourself who elected these leaders. And you need to ask yourself why you do not have more influence over the 184 member states.

Major economies resisted calls for bolder climate commitments as a U.N. summit in Madrid limped towards a delayed conclusion on Saturday, dimming hopes that nations will act in time to stop rising temperatures devastating people and the natural world.

With the two-week gathering spilling into the weekend, campaigners and many delegates slammed Chile, presiding over the talks, for drafting a summit text that they said risked throwing the 2015 Paris Agreement to tackle global warming into reverse.

561 parties, and observer organizations, couldn't make this tower of Babel produce a working agreement. Again.

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It will take one bold nation taking unprecedented measures and being successful to get other nations to budge. All new building constructions to have solar and or wind installed for all energy needs. No personal vehicles sold from 2021 to use any fossil fuels, hydrogen or battery only. Retrofit buildings for independent power. Gradually remove the need for huge power stations and close down coal and gas power stations.

These things done fast enough can make a difference. One nation being successful at doing it can lead the way for others to follow. Business can do it without the economy suffering. Yes some people will need retraining and to change employment. That is unavoidable. But to save our way of life we need to act fast and be innovative. Failure is not an option. Inaction is not an option. We need to be serious about what needs doing and get behind it. Ignoring it or dragging feet will be the end of what we know for everyone. There are no do overs or second chances. Take it serious or the end really is nigh.

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I'm all for these countries tackling the pollutants they are poisoning themselves with (note the poor air quality in China's big cities)...

Not to be nit-picky, but why you failed to mention India when talking about poor air quality? It's way worse than China's.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50298972

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90% of denial papers come from people and places funded by right wing think tanks in the USA.

Why is this ?

Why are,nt REAL SCIENCE agencies producing papers exposing the "hoax "

Maybe its because , in actual fact, the science of climate change is overwhelmingly accepted.

Cue the claims of "The science is never settled "....

Name one nation without climate change policy.

Name one real science institute that denies climate change.

That's your challenge dear deniers.

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